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Originally published December 12, 2009 at 04:45p.m., updated December 12, 2009 at 11:54p.m.

Turner Gill expected to take over as Kansas football coach

Two of three pundits have chosen Kansas and coach Turner Gill, pictured here coaching Buffalo, to take fourth in the north.

Two of three pundits have chosen Kansas and coach Turner Gill, pictured here coaching Buffalo, to take fourth in the north.

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Kansas Head Football Coach Turner Gill

Turner Gill was named the head coach of the Kansas football team Sunday, December 15, 2009.

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Lew Perkins’ search for a head football coach spanned nine days, at least two cities and included conversations with at least six coaches from four conferences.

In the end, however, the Kansas University athletic director chose the man with whom he first spoke.

Turner Gill, head coach at Buffalo and reportedly the first coach interviewed in the days following Mark Mangino’s resignation, is expected to be named head coach at KU on Monday, the Journal-World has learned.

The news puts to rest a nine-day search in which rumors and speculation have been rampant, various incorrect developments were reported and Perkins and his staff remained impressively quiet.

It also comes as a relief to Kansas’ current players, who have attempted to go about their usual business while awaiting news of the program’s fate.

Reached Saturday by the Journal-World, several current and former players expressed excitement at the prospect of starting over under a coach seemingly held in high regard by his players at Buffalo.

“I hear that he’s a great motivator, and he’s definitely a players’ coach who (includes) his players’ thoughts in all his decisions,” said freshman running back Toben Opurum, arguably the Jayhawks’ top returning offensive player. “He’s really going to be somebody that’s going to be able to bring some charisma and enthusiasm into the program.”

Added freshman receiver Erick McGriff, “I’ve always been a fan of coach Gill. I’ve seen him at Buffalo. He’s over there winning championships. I’m just excited. We’re all excited, and we can’t wait to get back on the field and start playing again.”

Buffalo turnaround

In four years at Buffalo, Gill’s teams went 20-30, though that record might be a bit misleading given the nature of the program before Gill arrived.

In 2008, he led the team to an 8-6 record and its first bowl berth in 50 years. Following the season, he was named a finalist for the Bear Bryant College Football Coach of the Year Award and was a finalist for the opening at Auburn that eventually went to Gene Chizik.

And unlike Kansas’ former coach — whose quick temper resulted in a number of public incidents and quite possibly led to his messy divorce from the university — calmness seems to be Gill’s M.O.

“Turner is a first-class person,” said Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne, who coached Gill, a 1983 Heisman finalist, with the Huskers. “He’s a guy that will always represent Kansas well. He’ll never embarrass that program. He’s totally honest, he’ll treat players well, and he’s just a good football man.”

Strong recruiter

Perhaps Gill’s most immediate impact at Kansas will come in the form of recruiting.

As uncertainty has swirled over the past two weeks, the program’s remaining coaches — defensive coordinator Clint Bowen, receivers coach David Beaty and linebackers coach/co-defensive coordinator Bill Miller — have attempted to keep the program’s 2010 recruiting class intact.

For the most part, they seem to have done so, losing only one recruit (quarterback Jacoby Walker, who switched his commitment to Utah and plans to enroll there for the spring semester) since Mangino’s resignation.

With a head coach now in place, however, things figure to grow infinitely easier from that standpoint.

Gill, a native of Fort Worth, Texas, has a developed a fine reputation as a recruiter in his home state. Buffalo’s current roster currently includes 11 players from the state, and Texas is where Gill spent much of his time recruiting while an assistant at Nebraska for more than a decade.

“I think it definitely provides some stability,” Opurum said. “Now that we have the hire, we have the ability to get some more recruits, some different recruits, be able to keep some of our guys. It’s kind of hard to sign somewhere when you don’t have a coach.”

Picking up the pieces

Immediately, Gill, one of only 11 black head coaches in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision (formerly Div. I-A), will be charged with picking up the pieces after an ugly series of events left the Kansas program with a tarnished image.

Last month, the school launched an internal investigation into the actions of Mangino, a move that seemed to polarize the public and former players. Various former players stepped forward with allegations of physical and verbal abuse, while others described Mangino as nothing more than a stern disciplinarian.

The result was negative national exposure and Mangino’s eventual ouster, which came after Perkins and the coach agreed to an undisclosed settlement on Dec. 3.

As word of Gill’s arrival coursed through the Kansas football grapevine Saturday, however, attention seemed to be pointed toward the future.

That includes the attention of beloved former KU coach Don Fambrough, who spoke excitedly of the program’s potential when reached Saturday evening.

As a habit, Fambrough likes to get to know the various Jayhawks’ coaches upon their arrival, but in this case — having been on the wrong end of a couple of Gill’s masterpiece collegiate performances — no introduction will be necessary.

“I don’t know what kind of coach he might be, because I haven’t been around him when he’s coaching,” Fambrough said. “But if he can coach like he played, we’ll be world-beaters, I’ll tell you that.”

According to published reports Saturday night, Gill will bring a couple of former head coaches along as assistants: Carl Torbush, former head coach at North Carolina and currently the defensive coordinator at Mississippi State, and Chuck Long, formerly the head coach at San Diego State and a former Oklahoma assistant.

Comments

Hawk1969 10 years, 9 months ago

Wecome back to Big 12 (8) country Gill.

frid22 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow....No Tubberville but could be a good thing

hailtoku 10 years, 9 months ago

Worst hire in the history of Kansas Athletics.

I will not applaud him on his arrival. He hasn't proven himself (20-30) in a non-BCS conference, let alone the Big 12. There is nothing to applaud.

Tommy Tuberville.... what could have been. Kansas football returns to obscurity

FireLewPerkins.com

Jonathan Briles 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm not thrilled. I really would have liked to see Tuberville here. Honestly Gill was not high on my wish list but I still think he could pan out to be a good coach for us. Not sure why Perkins did not look at Tuberville or Fulmer a little bit more. Well hopefully we will be okay.

b_asinbeer 10 years, 9 months ago

Worse than Terry Allen? Stop acting like a drama queen.

thmdmph 10 years, 9 months ago

Somebody, please fire Lew. Of the many better choices, Gill is such a risk. Lew must have majorly cut down on the coaching salary. Hopefully not, but I have a feeling the football program is going to lose many top commits.

William James 10 years, 9 months ago

To hell with Lew Perkins. We dont want a proven coach. Why the hell would we want a proven winner?

loudog 10 years, 9 months ago

I am so not excited about this. To go from almost hitting a home run with the Harbaugh rumors, to having Tuberville saying he really wants the job, to.....

Turner Gill.... 20-30 in the MAC.

yay.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

hailtoku, Tubberville wasn't even considered by KU or any other school looking at coaches, he considered himself.

Gill if you ask any player that has played for him is a great coach a better man, he is what KU needs. I was and still am worried with alll the Harbaugh talk that Gill might slip away to Cincy.

If you are wolrried about Gills record, he took the worst school in the NCAA's and made in a conf winner within 3 years of being there. How many coaches out there can say that they can do that??? C'mon answer that? Quit looking at numbers only.

Gill if he is indeed hired by KU will be here for a long while, he will not bolt for another gig, Tubberville would go for another SEC school in a heartbeat if it was offered. KU needs a coach who will be there down the road, keep building the program and not dump it like a bad habbit when he gets a chance.

Well its sit and wait.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

hailtoku--

At the time, when the late Bob Frederick hired assistant Coach Roy Williams, everyone thought that was the worst hire in KU Athletics. Everyone now knows that was a heck of a hire. Time will tell on Gill.

Billy Derringer 10 years, 9 months ago

i think lew swung and missed-this is a dissapointment to me, o well i guess we are and we always be only a basketball school, this is a sad day to be a jayhawk!!!!!!!!

David Reed 10 years, 9 months ago

Good Lord the Anti-Gill people need to get over themselves.when he was hired at Buffalo they were the WORST team in college football.I think that can contribute to his record.While he may not have been my first choice I will support him because he is the new coach and he deserves a fighting chance not everyone blasting him

jhokfan 10 years, 9 months ago

I'll believe when I see it. So far media reports have not been reliable. Gill would not be my first choice but I am okay with this hire.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

Why is this such a bad hire??? Is it that he played and coached at Nebraska? Coaches in the MAC? Or his skin tone? His white wife? That he took the worst football program ever and turned them into winners? Or what? I thought Kansas was an open minded state, but apparently too many people have a closed mind on this hire.

WOW, very dissapointed in the fans.

You should ask players that have played for Gill and then for any other coach this question, "wuould you take a bullet for him?" More than 95% would for Gill, not that many for any other coach out there.

alamohawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Why hire a guy that has a worse record (20-30 MAC) than the guy we just forced out (50-48 BIG 12)?

Billy Derringer 10 years, 9 months ago

justin--not everything is about skin color im so damm tried of the skin color line get a life so people just had us getting someone better is that wrong damm

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

im not sure, But being as Lew's a northerner.... maybe something didn't sit right in the land of Dixie....

I'm sorry Fulmer would have been a monumental mistake, and CERTAINLY not what Lew was looking for with the grid Iron club..... Tuberville would have been a decent hire, but did he really handle himself well at Auburn..... really other than a good season they were suspended from a bowl from and the Jason Cmapbell year, I don't recall much from Tuberville......

First off, Turner Gill is 8 years younger than Tommy Tuberville, and reasonably can be expected to work for 8 more years than Tommy Tuberville....

His first team was 2-10, that's a MAJOR reason why his career head coaching record is 20-30...... sure 18-20 is not an outstanding record, but again.... alot of it depends on how you view success..... Do we at kansas have better facilities than buffalo ? Do we have better weapons than buffalo ?

Keep in mind the last coach that i saw who openly spoke of his religion was Tony DUngy, and that worked out pretty well.... I was Hoping for Sumlin, but I'm willing to give Turner Gill a good chance, I think this is a significantly better situation than we were in two months ago.....

miamichael2 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm a Buffalo alum. This is a great hire for Kansas; look at Buffalo's track record since we joined Division I in the late 90s. I'm sad to see him go, but am excited to see what he can do with a deeper recruiting pool. Sure, it might not work out, just like what could happen with any coaching candidate. But to anyone who doesn't think his hire offers a great deal of upside just doesn't know all of the information.

hailtoku 10 years, 9 months ago

justinryman:

Looking at numbers only? You mean meaningless numbers like wins and losses?

Terry Allen was hired when KU's football program was in shambles already.

KU is/was on the verge of turning the corner and becoming a competitive program. We went from the Orange Bowl to a coach who, since his coaching debut, has ONE winning season. That is taking a lateral step at best. This hire seems political and not in the best interest of the University and does not move our program forward.

You all know it will be more shocking if he gets 8-10 wins his first season and not that shocking if we go 5-7 or 6-6 again. That's how you know its a bad hire.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

If it happens to be Gill, we couldn't ask for a better human being to lead our program. He will make us proud to be Jayhawks. As Jayhawks, we couldn't help but admire Tom Osborne because of the man he was. We despise Pelini because he is such a low-brow, low-class person. Gill is cut out of the same cloth as Osborne. IF (remains to be seen) he can compile a group of assistants that are Big 12-worthy, he will be successful at KU.

I wanted Kelly......then Tuberville.......but I can definitely get behind Turner Gill. Until he proves that he can't compile a coaching staff that is able to recruit and compete in the Big 12, I'll pull for him. He's a great man.

Still, until Lew announces it, I'm not going to believe it's true.

Rock Chalk.

mandomax 10 years, 9 months ago

Gill is a coach who KU can pay half of Mangino's ending salary until he proves himself. If he doesn't in the first 2-3 seasons, expect a new coach commanding a much larger salary, which we proved after Mangino's successes that we are willing to pay. He might be one of those diamonds in the rough. Only time will tell, and in the meantime, Lew can save the corporation a million plus per year.

jcsmith 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow. This is all that top facilities and a 2.5 million dollar salary will get you? Way to go Lew. Looks like you've really out done yourself on this one. Who the hell hires a coach who hasn't proven himself in a non bcs conference? Oh wait. Lew Perkins does. I'm afraid I'm about to jump on the "fire lew perkins" bandwagon. This is just not even who I thought we would be replacing MM with. Maybe now would be a GREAT time for Anderson and the rest of those high rollin boosters to set Lew down and ask WTF are you doin?

William James 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm not blasting Gill, cant blame him for taking a promotion. I will blast the worthless POS Perkins all day long. That guy is worthless. What do we pay him for? We are the laughing stock of college football. You know how hard I would be laughing if I was a KSU fan. We don't deserve to have a good football team.

Jarod DeLozier 10 years, 9 months ago

He was lower on my wishlist too, but believe it or not, these AD's are smarter than we (yes, you too) are and this guy was apparently a finalist at Auburn and Nebraska in the past couple years. Seems as though we should give him a chance before we write the program off. Out of loyalty to the program, he has my support.

milehighhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

This is the anti-Mangino hire.

If we're looking for someone for the long haul, this could be it.

Nobody had heard of Roy Williams in 1988 either.

Welcome to KU, T-Gill!

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Reee--

Crooo---

Ta!!!!!

We are going to get so many four star athletes from Texas!!!!!!!!!

Great job, Lew!!!

alamohawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Justinryman why play the race card? I've lived in Lawrence my entire life and no one here considers skin color an issue. Instead of asking any of his former players if they would take a bullet for him? Maybe he should have asked them to win at least 50% of their games.

John Randall 10 years, 9 months ago

Does anyone else think that "5-7 in 2009" has a familiar ring to it?

I'm wondering if Perkins isn't trying to show that KU can 'make' a coach, rather than the other way 'round?

To ignore what Mangino put into this program over eight years to get it the respectability we now enjoy could prove a very dangerous approach. Moving on up the ladder from where MM left us will be at least as difficult, probably more so.

thmdmph 10 years, 9 months ago

Mangino would have brought the worst MAC school to a perennial conference championship. So we fired him to hire a 5-7 guy in the MAC vs a 5-7 Big12?

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

Alamo: If you really want to prove your point by showing coaching records, at least take the time to properly clarify them. Yes, KU is a Big 12 member, but Mangino's record was only 23-41 in conference play...meaning he was 27-7 beating up on the noncon cupcakes he scheduled every year.

thekansasboy1987 10 years, 9 months ago

WELCOME COACH TUNER GILL !!! KANSAS FOOTBALL

jcsmith 10 years, 9 months ago

Well I would say it's official. Literally, as I was posting my last post, they announced it on ESPN halftime show of app st. and Montana game as breaking news. Sorry Tommy. I was cheerin for ya.

lance1jhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

"Only time will tell if we stand the test of time" (Van Halen)

Not my first choice, but we'll just have to wait and see. Welcome to KU Coach Gill... Jayhawk Nation is behind you.

MtHammer 10 years, 9 months ago

I think this is a potentially great hire, I like the above comparison to hiring the then-unknown Roy Williams 20 years ago. This is a guy who was a great player, and has done a, frankly, astounding job turning around the Buffalo program. He's got ties to the region and to KU, thanks to his daughter. He's been a serious candidate for other high profile jobs (Auburn, Nebraska), and it was only a matter of time before someone gave him a chance, and I'm glad it was us. Most importantly, he's given no indication that he is anything but a class act - which is what I was really hoping for to start off the post Mangino era.

rockchalkAZ 10 years, 9 months ago

gill was 5-7 this year in a non-BCS conference. mangino was 5-7 in the Big 12... what the heck makes gill any more impressive than mangino this past year? i just think we should have higher standards when hiring

rockchalk2009 10 years, 9 months ago

Roy Williams was not an experienced coach when he arrived at Kansas but he turned out alright.

babyjay1 10 years, 9 months ago

Let's get it done! Might not have been my absolute 1st choice but I'll be there cheering and ready to support him! Rock Chalk!!!!

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

Fabio: the laughingstock of college football? From this hire and not The Brawl? From this and not a seven game slide to end the season??

I see this hire putting the program in a positive light for the first time in a long while. Congrats to you, Coach Gill!

hailtoku 10 years, 9 months ago

ROY WILLIAMS???????

You people are comparing this hire to Roy Williams?

You think Turner Gill is going to be one of the most successful coaches in all of college football? Ambitious.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Put it this way: I know Nebraska fans who are jealous of KU today.

7texdude 10 years, 9 months ago

Let's see what Gill can do on the recruiting trail before we judge. KU needs to get faster at every position, particularly on defense. Also, we'll see what he will do with the assistant coaches. Will he shake up the defensive staff? There are a lot of holes he needs to fill.

I'm not excited on this as Harbaugh, but why would KU want a former SEC coach that got fired? Or another coordinator? Perkins has both hits and misses on his hires. I hope Gill will be a positive for us. At the minimum, he is a class guy......no argument there.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

D29, Im not playing the "race card" I was asking why people have such issues with Turner Gill. Everyone says they don't like the hire, that it's a bad hire and leaves it at that, but why??? If i'ts wins and loses, they need to look at those loses at Buffalo, which have already been stated many times so I don't need to.

Gill is a great hire in light of what "the witch hunt" was all about at KU this fall. If Turner is hired, KU has a coach that is a players coach, a stand up citizen, respected amongst the coaching circle and so on.

Turner dosent preach, he lives it, he leads by it and whats wrong with that??? He's not a Tim Tebow type and wearing it on his eye black, he just points young men in the right direction in life, and if thats a bad thing in your mind then wow you have bigger issues.

I think if this rumor is right about this hire, and thats all it is at this point(becasue at this time last night Harbaugh was our coach), I think KU will compete yearly for the Big 12 North title with NU, he know's Bo and that's a good thing. His knowledge of Texas and Pennsylvania, Ohio recruiting will also come in handing too.

Without giving him a chance, there is no hope.

Kit Duncan 10 years, 9 months ago

First of all, to those who think they know all there is about Tommy Tuberville, it's ONE "B" (Tuberville, not Tubberville)!

Second, when a guy openly makes a play for an opening it might be better to look elsewhere. Tommy wouldn't stay at KU long, only long enough to wait for a better job to come along.

Turner Gill strikes me as a man who, given the opportunity to coach at KU's level will stay far longer than would Harbaugh, Tuberville or Fulmer. Call it a gut call but I think Gill will be more appreciative of the offer with less ego than the others. Will he be more timid as a coach? Not likely. Give the guy a chance. He may surprise you naysayers.

Bill Kackley 10 years, 9 months ago

justinryman you are full of ----. Anyone knows Kansas is not an open-minded state, but Like many bloggers here I am not completely sold on him as our next coach. I will give him every chance. My problem is not with him, it is with Lew Perkins. He has screwed the whole process up from beginning to end. I hope Turner Gil comes in here and does a great job. As far as his being black and there being bigoted people on this sight, no doubt you are right. But they were also against Mangino because he was overweight. As far as his Gil being married to a white girl I sincerely doubt that many of us knew that. As far as I'm concerned both are irrelevant. And exactly where in the upper stratospere did you dig out that 95%

Matt Gauntt 10 years, 9 months ago

And it was for THIS guy that you raked Mangino over the coals???

I'm HOPING that some of the folks commenting are right and the fact that he turned around a dismal Buffalo means that he's truly a great coach. Hoping, REALLY hoping. I'm not holding my breath, though.

There are so many PROVEN and high profile coaches out there that we could get with A) a MM type salary, B) a great new football complex, C) a lot of great young players to build off, and D) 4-5 years a a good football story to tell and people taking notice of us.

I'm fearful that this was just a decision of ease. IF Turner Gill turns out to be a great coach, then the first opening they have at Nebraska, he'll be gone. So if we do build up a great program around a possibly great coach, he'll be gone.

You are not inspiring confidence, there Lew.

Hawk1969 10 years, 9 months ago

Hey, did anyone foresee what Holtz and Edsall would accomplish? Perkins made a good choice. Check out his track record when it comes to hiring coaches. The guy does well.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

wow WAY TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY......

There is alot of potential here.... we still have alot of great players here..... and if he can turn around Buffalo, he certainly can improve upon a 0-7 team that started out 5-0.....

Billy Derringer 10 years, 9 months ago

justinryman-the dude was 5-7 last year what isnt that enough

Jetson 10 years, 9 months ago

yeah, lets compare Roy Williams here to Gill. Roy took over a team that JUST won the National Title. Gill is UNPROVEN.

Ryan Wood 10 years, 9 months ago

Turner Gill took an awful, awful football program and won the MAC in three seasons. He was a miracle worker there.

This is a great hire.

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

You guys realize Lew is almost universally considered one of the top 2 or 3 ADs in America outside of crazy know-nothing KU football fans, right? Turner has every tool to be a top coach at KU. He was a huge part of Nebraska's 3 national championships. He can recruit, he can coach, and he's a quality human being. KU just got itself everything Mangino was and everything he lacked all in one. This is a great hire and the rest of the Big XII either knows it already (Nebraska) or will soon. I'm sure those of you whining were the same people trying to run Coach Self out after Bucknell too.

3puttbogey 10 years, 9 months ago

The problem with this hire is he probably won't be here in 5 years. He'll either do very well (which means Nebraska will be in OUR shadow) and NU will fire Pelini and we'll lose Gill.

OR

He won't do well and we'll be looking for a new coach to (re-)build our program in 5 years.

I hope he does well. I hope he stays a long time. I just don't see BOTH of those happening but I do see the possiblity of NEITHER of them happening.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

rcAZ: I'm not so sure we didn't have higher standards. Different reports stated that Perkins at least had conversations with several "proven" coaches. I find it noteworthy that no one else besides Harbaugh evidently made a big enough impression to warrant a job offer. Was this because they failed to impress or that they walked away underwhelmed? Who knows. Either way, Perkins knew he couldn't drag this out too long just to find a "better" candidate, lest he risk looking like the wallflower left on the side waiting to dance.

hailtoku 10 years, 9 months ago

waywardJay-

After an Orange Bowl, new facilities, multi-million dollar stadium expansion, and recent respect among the nation, you're comfortable hiring a coach based an "potential".

Kansas pre-2007 hired coaches based on potential. We now expect to be successful.

Kyle Crenshaw 10 years, 9 months ago

all you people doubting this decision need to look at buffalo football before gill... yea 20-30 isnt impressive but buffalo has been a school on the espn.com's bottom 10 year after year before gill

Tribehawk 10 years, 9 months ago

This is by no means a "bad" hire, but I have to admit that it is a suprise, because its probably the riskiest pick Lew could have made. Gill's track record compared to guys like Tuberville, Fulmer, Edsall, Holtz, and even Harbaugh or Sumlin is nearly non-existant. That said, given the right chance, I think Gill could eventually exceed the success of all those coaches. I think Lew made this decision solely on the belief that Gill can out-recruit all those other coachers for KANSAS. If we were in any other school, or any other conference, it might be different, but Gill just might be the perfect pick for KU when it comes to recruiting. He's a high energy, charismatic guy who will work his guts out for his program and his players. Personality-wise, he's the anti-Mangino. That's what our kids, fans, and boosters need right now. It doesn't hurt that he's the only AA coach in the Big 12. He has recruiting roots in NE, TX, and possibly now in the northeast. Gill will steal recruits from other Big 12 schools and bring them to KU. Lew wanted a home-run hire--he's gambled for a grand-slam, and in doing so may have struck out. I look forward to see what Coach Gill can do. Rock Chalk.

jahawkdave 10 years, 9 months ago

Mangino was 1-7 in the b12!! And a 1 foot overthrown pass from being 0-8!

Welcome Gill!

Most on here have never played football, coached football, AD'd .... I'm glad none of us are making the decisions, leave it to the professionals.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

100 (anonymous) says... Reee--

Crooo---

Ta!!!!!

We are going to get so many four star athletes from Texas!!!!!!!!!

---------------AMEN!!!!!

Gotta give Gill a chance...I would have preferred Tuberville, but had we held on to fatty we would been permanently screwed...There was no choice but to get rid of MM- tell me what borderline player would want to play for KU when they were on the fence after last year?...

I know I'd MUCH rather play for Turner Gill...then that big trash bag,..Go own Texas, Turner! Go get em! Time to own Lincoln!, Time to make Liberal Lawrence Texas 4-star land.

KU_Alumn_2000 10 years, 9 months ago

R u kidding me !!! Way to go Perkins...are you serious. This was the homerun hire we were expecting ??? Unbelievable. Kiss our football program goodbye...and Perkins can kiss his gridiron club goodbye. Time to go back to the Terry Allen era.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Mangino 1-7 in the big 12, only win a 2 point game vs Iowa State!

No where to go but up!!

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

5-7 last year, how many starters did he lose to graduation? how many injuries? just a few things to look in to. That is after he did win the MAC conf beating an undeafed Ball St. team. the year before.

As for the 95%, it just seems like everytime you hear an ex player of coach Gills they speak so highly of him, that, that number was fitting.

As of me being full of ----, yeah probably. No offense taken. I was really just trying to figure out why people have all this negativity towards coach Gill.

And yeas, AD Lew, has screwed the Pooch on this whole thing since the brawl, that we all know.

Oh and Dr. Tom Osborn is not sleeping well tonight.

sactownhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

people need to get off Lew's back. He has done more for this university then anyone else (even bill self, he hired him, retained him when t boone pickens came calling) lew has made this school more then mens basketball, something that has never happened! while i would have loved harbaugh, gill is still a great higher, and imma play the race card but in a better way saying that having the only black coach in the big 12 can help a lot! Also, who cares about his spirituality, pretty much every talented athlete that wins an award thanks god first and are spiritual. He has recruiting ties in texas and can somehow get decent players to play in BUFFALO, NEW YORK. Give this guy a chance.

We should still get tubberville as a d coordinator, that would be sweet

thekansasboy1987 10 years, 9 months ago

I LOVE KANSAS FOOTBALL GO COACH TUNER GILL!!!!!!

MtHammer 10 years, 9 months ago

Also, to all those complaining about Lew Perkins being such a terrible AD because he didn't hire who you would have - let's remember that Mangino was an Al Bohl hire.

Jayhawksrule2009 10 years, 9 months ago

Hey guys, Just so you guys know. Since the The Kansas Jayhawks only interviewed 1 coach and that was Turner Gill. Look for the Kansas Jayhawks to get a huge fine and a NCAA Investigation will take place as well..

This is why it will happen.

NCAA Rules say that a football team that is looking for a new head coach must interview 3 coaches.

Reports say that the Kansas Jayhawks only interviewed 1 head coach and that was Turner Gill

Look for the NCAA to fine the Kansas Jayhawks. Put them on probation and even investigate why the Kansas Jayhawks only interviewed 1 head coach

Dont believe me. then read the rule book

jumpinjayhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Gil will do just fine. He comes from a wonderful, tradition rich, football program. He has learned from and was influenced by Tom Osburne, Seems like we need to give the man an opportunity to show us what he can do. All you doubters, want a big name coach, well guess what, you same people wouldnt have hired Roy Williams, enough said on that. Now shut up and let the man do his job and we ll all be plesantly suprised down the road. Then all you haters can say, I knew he was good all along.

3puttbogey 10 years, 9 months ago

You are correct MtHammer. And Drue Jennings hired Bill Self. This is Lew's FIRST hire at KU.

Nick Cole 10 years, 9 months ago

OK, this is getting ridiculous. All media outlets want to keep their readers/listeners/viewers so when one reports something every other media outlet jumps on the bandwagon. They did it with Harbaugh and now with Gill. I would have rather had Harbaugh but Gill has some potential. And apparently KU is not a good enough job yet to land experience (thanks to Mangino not recruiting and falling apart the last two seasons). I am sick of this sh!t. Lew, this hire is going to define your time at Kansas. Don't f it up.

jayhwx3003 10 years, 9 months ago

Jayhawksrule2009: Notre Dame only interviewed Brian Kelly and the hired him. Not a bad hire. Only time will tell

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

Great, so we get a religious right conservative and former cornhusker who has NOT proven himself to be a winning coach. We could have gotten Harbaugh who has proven he can coach, can recruit and has Kansas ties because of his spouse. Perkins devalues KU again.

babyjay1 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree with those of you wanting to get rid of the negativity! Lew is a top AD, whether you agree with his tactics and decisions, or not... There is a reason he is a top AD and those of us on this board aren't! I think Jayhawk Nation should quiet down about the anti Gill comments and get ready to rally behind him! He's done nothing to prove he can't do it at this point! I'm always willing to give a new coach a couple of seasons and I have lots of experience with that since I root for the Chiefs and the Royals - ha ha....

alamohawk 10 years, 9 months ago

lv_jhwk (anonymous) says... Fabio: the laughingstock of college football? From this hire and not The Brawl? From this and not a seven game slide to end the season??

I see this hire putting the program in a positive light for the first time in a long while. Congrats to you, Coach Gill!

lv_jhwk. POSITIVE LIGHT? Are you serious? People around the Big 12 are laughing at this right now. Especially in Nebraska...

LA_hawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Soobawls- your post is ridiculous, you shouldn't be allowed to post anymore. To make the asinine claim that this hire is about politcs (the left) and race is absurd! And to make the assumption that even if he doesn't have success his doubters will be labeled as racists, that is reverse racism. And no I'm not African American, I'm white, so don't think that I'm just saying that because of the color of my skin. Who knows if Gill will be succesful, but he did take the worst team in college football and make them a conference champion. He deserves to have the full support of everyone who loves this university. RCJH!!

Tomforistell 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm a KU grad and huge KU fan. I lived in Lincoln for 6 years right around the corner from Turner Gill. Turner is a class person and his family is also great. Everyone who knew Turner while I lived in Lincoln was very positive about him and his abilities. He was on Tom Osborn's staff during the championship years and knows what it takes to compete at that level. It's my expectation that Turner will represent KU very well and will continue to build on the success we've had in the recent past. Go KU and Turner Gill!!

djhawk75 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm in "wait and see" mode. i don't think that Gill is ready for big time yet, but he's a good coach now, and he would never become a big time coach if no one gives him a chance. If he comes to KU, Gill will coach a team full of decent, but not highly talented players, something that he is used to.

Jayhawks09 10 years, 9 months ago

Enough of the negativity, HCTG will come in here and start a dynasty but stealing people from Stoops and Brown down in Texas. All the pub on HCTG is that he is a charismatic recruiter and now combine that with our resources and it should be a successful relationship. Let's support him, and stop the Lew bashing he gave us the greatest year in Kansas history, generated revenue to create the best facilities in America, and made sure HCBS stayed put so any bad comments about Lew are absolutely ridiculous he is the AD in the nation. RCJH

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

Gill has been interviewd in the past by Nebraska, Iowa St., Auburn and asked to interview at Kansas before MM was hired, he declined that to stay on at NU.

I am happy with this rumor, can't wait for the official announcement.

Can't wait to see all the assistant coaches that are hired/retained.

But most of all I can't wait till next season to see what the product on the field will be.

Larry Ewart 10 years, 9 months ago

I know that Fulmer was interviewed in NY. We had a chance to go to a different level with a proven head coach who has won championships in the SEC and a national title. And yet, we hire a coach who has a losing overall record in the MAC conference. This university is a lot like the USA right now, totally screwed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jayhawkintexas 10 years, 9 months ago

Sorry, Lew; I was behind you before but now I'm not. I was disappointed with Bonnie Hendrickson as the women's basketball coach--I would have thought you could have gotten a UConn assistant to come to KU. If Gill is hired, it shows that Lew is a great fundraiser but not great at hiring coaches Looks like football is going to just be another way to keep the basketball seasons apart---again.

mr_jhawk4477 10 years, 9 months ago

For all of you who think we should have hired Tuberville over Gill, keep in mind that Auburn, who forced Tuberville out after last year, was considered to have Gill as their top choice for most of their coaching search. They ended up hiring Chizik, which outraged most fans because they wanted Gill. That looked to be a much worse hire than us hiring Gill, and look how thats working out for them thus far. Gill wasn't necessarily my first choice but I have confidence that he can get this program moving back in the right direction. Rock Chalk!

Jim Jackson 10 years, 9 months ago

This is a great hire for KU! Gill is an exceptional recruiter and really connects with his players. He took one of the worst teams in D1 and made them a contender. He has plenty of experience and has plenty of connections in Texas. He does need to find a quality group of assistants and do it quickly. 5 of the 7 games they lost this year were by 7 pts or less, they easily couldve been 8-4. Great hire!

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1.......You make me sick. Who care about his religion, his politics or his race? If you don't want to give him a chance, go root for your choice of liberal, atheist, white coaches next season. I'll be in Lawrence, tailgating....I'll be the one in Jayhawk blue, screaming at the top of my lungs every down when our opponent has the ball.

Rock chalk!

mcflycat 10 years, 9 months ago

bad hire. A coach with a losing record is a loser. I dont know why our football coach needs to be a "nice guy" anyways. Nice guys finish last. Or in this case, they have a losing record in the MAC.

Hawk1969 10 years, 9 months ago

I think KU fans should consider that Turner not only played for a legend, but coached for him. I'm sure Dr. Tom taught a young Gill a thing or two about football. Plus he will recruit Texas well (already did while at NU). Combine those attributes with his work ethic and character and it all adds up to POSSIBLE success at KU.

The Big XII isn't the MAC, but I believe Gill will assemble a quality staff and he'll be able to recruit players they only dream of at Buffalo. His time is now.

However, until Perkins says Gill is his man, I'm not buying into the reports even though it sounds legit.

Marcia Parsons 10 years, 9 months ago

When everyone thought it was going to be Harbaugh, one of the football players was asked who the players were hoping for, and he said Gill. I can't remember which player, sorry, but it was on KUSports.com.

MtHammer 10 years, 9 months ago

Ok, there are posts here decrying the hire as a right-wing decision based on his religion, and posts decrying the hire as a left-wing decision based on his race. Is it even remotely possible that it's neither?

jhokfan 10 years, 9 months ago

This puts 3 people on the sh## list. Mangino, Perkins and now Gill. No way Lew hires someone without pissing someone off. Stop looking at just the wins and losses. Gill brings a lot of positives. Starting to look like mizboohoo fans with all the whining.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 9 months ago

This hire is a big step backward. Perkins ran off Mangino in a textbook witch-hunt, and gets a guy with a 20-30 record (admittedly, the first 11 losses were digging the program out the first year). If we ever win the Big 12 north, I'll be first to post and admit I'm wrong. But I won't hold my breath.

The optimism some of you express is blind optimism. There is nothing here from an objective standpoint to demonstrate that Gill is a better recruiter or a better coach than Mangino. Nothing.

kcgridiron 10 years, 9 months ago

Breaking News...Sources close to Tiger Woods have confirmed that a contract has been offered to him to be the new head coach of the University of Kansas...sources who are close to the situation say Woods won't accept a salary from the University but rather would like to have a lifetime membership to the All-stars Cabaret and Outhouse in return for his head coaching responsibilities...Woods will apparently hire his wife Elin to be the defensive coordinator because of her proven track record of beating a tiger...Stay tuned to radio 610 for more details of this situation as it happens.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Chicago Matt...

I'm fearful that this was just a decision of ease. IF Turner Gill turns out to be a great coach, then the first opening they have at Nebraska, he'll be gone. So if we do build up a great program around a possibly great coach, he'll be gone....(how many years away is that, but hopefully he'll show us the same loyalty we showed him by offering him this with only 3 years experience...)

But on second thought...I'd love for him to destroy Nebraska that much every year so that decision doesn't even need to be made.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

HighEliteMajor.....If Gill's the coach, what are you gonna do? Not support him? Not support KU? Not go to the games? What? You don't already have season tickets? That's what I thought.

If Gill is the man, we have to get behind him. There's no choice. I am on record as wanting Kelly (Notre Dame) and Tuberville (threw his own hat in the ring), but I'm not going to throw Gill under the bus before he shows us what he's got. Everything I hear about the guy is legendary. Will this translate into a great Big 12 coach? Only time will tell. But there's no reason not to give him your support.

Rock chalk!

Don Everett 10 years, 9 months ago

Sounds good to me. Why not give him a chance?

All you naysayers and Lew bashers - go over to the dark side or cheer for the purple. I for one, don't want a bunch of negative aholes on my side.

BorderBattleKU21 10 years, 9 months ago

Public execution of Perkins sounds like an eventful way to start the night!

colohawk2814 10 years, 9 months ago

The circumstances and expereince are much different in taking a program from a complete failure (KU in 2001, Buffalo in 2005) to a mediocre level (competitive) than taking a program from a mediocre position (the KU program today) to the the top of a conference (excellenence). Different skill sets, different talents.

Let's give Mr. Gill the opportunity to prove he has what it takes, better facilities, better conference, sometimes that is all it takes.

Jonathan Briles 10 years, 9 months ago

Well I think that there is potential, but for all of those saying that what Gill did was so amazing and that with our talent and facilities he will be much better I don't know where the logic is there. I know your saying Buffalo is a terrible program, but they play Ball State, Western Michigan and their toughest conference team is Central Michigan. Once here he is going to have to play OU, Texas, Nebraska and others. He has never had to face game plans made from the likes of Mack Brown and Bob Stoops. He will have to make a huge adjustment. I also worry how he is going to make a staff. Its not like he has a ton of connections to get some great offensive or defensive coordinators. I love Gill as a person and coach but dont know about his potential in the Big 12. I'm happy to have him but think we could do better. If it is Gill then I welcome him with open arms and will support him. But for those saying what he did translates to success here are not looking very well.

jhawkfan1981 10 years, 9 months ago

it might not be a big name...tubberville,fulmer,harbaugh,etc...but i think this could be a good thing for ku. he will be able to recruit well, and he knows the area. he is a hard worker, and loves kansas..its way too soon to say "bad hire,good hire"!! none of us on this blog knows, but it is good to voice our opinions..my opinion is that it isnt the hire i wanted the most, but i will welcome him to lawrence and be behind him and perkins all the way...ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!

JamesA 10 years, 9 months ago

For the people who oppose this hire, it's time to stop questioning his abilities as a coach and just support the football team. The guy will never have any chance at success if he has a major division in fan support. Do what is best for the KU football team and University and support the newest member to the Jayhawk family. Rock Chalk Jayhawk

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

I can't wait to go to Lincoln next year and hear the crowds reaction, and then head Lawerence and hang out with all the Jayhawk fans for a hometown beatdown of NU!

Living in Omaha all I get to hear about is Suh this and Suh that, his 3 tackles against KU this year should have cost him the Heisman. By the way its Ingrams.

David Hall 10 years, 9 months ago

if ya'll was true ku fan ya'll wuold give him a try and not put the new coach down

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

Welcome Coach Gill. I truly hope you succeed. I hear you are a great person and your former players may speak highly of you. That is great.

I agree with many that this is the riskiest pick. I am also concerned that it is a catch-22: failure will return KU to the bottom of the conference, success at the expense of Nebraska will bring them to scoop you up (see Williams, Roy).

I also have concerns about the record in a mediocre non-BCS conference. I certainly hope it is a case of your recruiting skills being out-of-place geographically, coupled with the poor facilities at Buffalo, and the fact that most recruits recognized that, with many major programs listing you as a candidtate, you were not long for the deep freeze/wing capital. If what many say on the board about your ability to recruit Texas is true, we should see an immediate influx of talented wings, I-backs, or whatever it takes to run the option. Should be fantastic.

My biggest concern is about the ability to bring a cohesive, experienced staff to Larry. Not to say that Buffalo-caliber assistants are not welcome, but they really aren't. If you could also avoid too many Husker re-treads, that would be great. I, for one, do not want to see Scott Frost as the OC and one of the Wistrom boys coaching D.

One last thing, please have Jordan give me a call. I want some tickets to see what happens. At least it will be interesting... not that losing 7 straight, and conducting a witch hunt, wasn't.

Jayhawksrule2009 10 years, 9 months ago

jayhwx3003 (anonymous) says...

Jayhawksrule2009: Notre Dame only interviewed Brian Kelly and the hired him. Not a bad hire. Only time will tell

Actually Jayhwx. The Defensive Coordinator for the Irish was also interviewed for the Job. But he did not quilfy so the Irish turned 2 Brian Kelly. I also see the NCAA to investigate that matter as well

John Hayden 10 years, 9 months ago

Great pic for a coach. He is a great coach and a great man of integrity. Turner come on down.

BorderBattleKU21 10 years, 9 months ago

Well hell. My name should of been in the conversation for the job. Im pretty good at some Madden. Thats all it requires right?

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

alamo: I now actually live in Omaha now (just haven't gotten around to changing my user name) and everyone that knows that I'm a KU guy has come up to say the opposite...that they still wish that Gill had been hired two years ago. Pelini is much like Mangino in that they put up with his antics while he's winning, but if he's a goner with a similar slide. Trust me, very few are laughing here, and if they are its nervously!

And yes, I do believe this will be a positive for the program. Gill will prove that his coaching tenure was far greater than most on here give it credit for, and his personal demeanor will do nothing but entice players, recruits, and even fans to rally behind him. Plus (and yes, I am bringing IT up), having one of the few black coaches at a BCS school will keep our name in articles that are sure to be read by athletes that have paid no attention to what goes in Lawrence before.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

In my opinion I don't think(if coach Gill is our next coach) he will go back to Nebraska, 1) it's within the same conference, 2) fool me once.......(since they didn't hire him the first time).

Again these ae my opinions and really what are they worth? Not much, but wanted to just throw them out there for arguing points for people to yell at me.

Jayhawksrule2009 10 years, 9 months ago

HypedJhawk (anonymous) says...

Great pic for a coach. He is a great coach and a great man of integrity. Turner come on down.


I rather see somebody else to step on down Turner Gill only had 1 good season at Buffalo This is going to be worse of a nightmare for the Kansas Jayhawks then Manigino running out of the tunnel and falling down and almost landed on a cheerleader.

minnhawk84 10 years, 9 months ago

As the son of a life-long Nebraska fan, I know Doc Osborne couldn't win the NC until he started getting successful recruiting top-shelf BLACK DBs and receivers out of FLORIDA. Gee, I wonder which of his assistant coaches went down to Florida and recruited those speedsters? Wanna bet Turner Gill was a frequent flyer into Orlando? I think his recognition among BLACK athletes will be a plus for KU, and certainly won't hinder recruiting white ones either.

Give the man a chance to prove his worth.

mcflycat 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't think anyone is really "knocking down" Gill. Its the numbers, they are really the only thing we have to judge him by right now, and those numbers, they, uh, aren't so good. Since hes such a nice, christan man that can really inspire the youth, maybe he'd be a great team pastor instead? Then wed have an opening for a FOOTBALL COACH.

FreddyinLA 10 years, 9 months ago

A huge improvement in recruiting Texas. Played for a big time program. Nebraska style of football keeps you in most games unless facing great teams with speed to burn.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

I do not like the hire (hopefully it is only a rumor!!).

Let's see, Mangino was the offensive coord for the OU Championship team. Mangino dug a Big 12 team out of the cellar. Mangino was coach of the year 2 years ago. Had a bad year (really bad) at 5-7.

Gill served on a Nebraska chamionship team. When given the head coaching responsibilities went 20-30 compared to Mangino's record of 50-48 (second winningest coach in the history of KU). I believe that Gill has played one game against a Top 25 team and lost by 20 (Pitt-2009). This year was a hard schedule for KU, the Big 3 football schools of the Big 12 south. Next year we have a much easier setup with not having to play OU, TX, or TT.

I don't see what this guy has over the other names. Harbough, Tuberville, and Fulmer were top tier coaches (along with Kelly, but I don't think his name was out there).

Second tier Holtz, Sumlin, and Esdall (Uconn).

Final tier Gill, Davis, and Brewster.

Let's admit it, we were hoping that KU had turned the corner. Basically, been in a position to really get people talking about KU football and it seems like Lew wants to start over instead of keep moving forward. I'm disappointed. I'm also disappointed that we didn't get a more defensive based coach since that seems to be where we are struggling most.

For the positives of Gill, I would say that he would be able to recruit multiple areas, but I'm not convinced he will be able to recruit the 4 star recruits away from OU, TX or NU.

I'll be the first to be behind any coach, shoot, I'm still behind MM and haven't come to terms that he was fired over one bad season. With that kind of standard, we would have fired Gill this year.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

"The optimism some of you express is blind optimism."

HEM: better blind optimism than the alternative. I don't disagree that I myself don't have any definitive proof that Gill will be as successful as we all hope, but I'm still waiting for any kind of concrete evidence that proves your position as well.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

lv_jhwk, it's funny how all the Husker fans are nervous now here in Omaha if we get Gill.

It must be an Ohio Valley anger issue with Mangino and Pelini. Maybe they learned it from watching former Ohio St. HC Woody Hayes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEVJyf...

Jayhawksrule2009 10 years, 9 months ago

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TexasHusker 10 years, 9 months ago

As a Husker fan, I hate to see Gill go to Kansas, but don't kid yourselves----he should be a great hire for your school. He turned a totally losing program around in three years and he is also a great recruiter with Texas ties. and for those of you who said Pelini is like Mangino ---not even close. He may be fiery, but he is not abusive ---big difference. There are some who do not like his demeanor, but the vast majority of Husker fans are more than okay with him. what he has done for our defense after Callahan and Cosgrove is nothing short of a miracle. Gill would probably have been our coach if he had been a defensive guru instead of offense. He'll be a great coach for you.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

rockemchalkem........I agree with your sentiments about his assistants. That's my biggest concern. Can he attract assistants that 1) can coach at the Big 12 level, and 2) can recruit Texas? His assistants at Buffalo were generally a hodgepodge of NU cast-offs and lower-level college assistants. His offensive coordinator was a CFL head coach, but that's about all the star power you will find. Of course, what do you expect from a MAC team? Hopefully, Gill as contacts that go beyond his NU contacts (big IF because NU's staff was largely insular and inbred for the 25 years Osborne coached there).

A head coach is only as good as his assistants, so we will see.

Brian Powell 10 years, 9 months ago

  1. I think from what we know right now, it's a fine hire. Recruiting will be big, and I bet he can get our guys to really play for him. He might take a year or two, but that's transition. We weren't going anywhere this year or next anyway apparently.. Give the man a chance and be a real Jayhawk fan.

  2. Did you see the announcer in that clip follow up 'I'm speechless" with "Why are you speechless?" ?? LOL nice one.

PenguinHawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I didn't like this at first glance either, but break it down. He's had some degree of success (one conference championship) at an awful school. He has excellent ties to Texas (our main pipeline state). With the better location and the Texas history he may be an effective recruiter here. Also a very likeable guy, might be able to keep our recruiting class this year intact. I'm willing to give this a chance.

MNHawk23 10 years, 9 months ago

gill will be great, cant wait to see this guy recruit

LA_hawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Soobawls- that's my point exactly, if you couldn't care less about race, then why even bring it up in the first place...I'll answer that for you, it's because you obviously do. And my friend when it comes to sports, I value success, not race more than anything...but that's okay for you to assume that, you know, since you don't even know me. And if Gill isn't successfull, I will be right there in line with you to get rid of him and I'll eat my words of saying that he is qualified. But you ask about his qualifications and merits, I'll repeat what I and other posters have already said, he inherited the worst program in college football and turned them into a conference champion. Granted, that doesn't gaurantee he will have success here, but to claim this hire is about race becuase of his sub .500 record is narrow minded thinking.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

Im to lazy to scroll back up, but someone said they didn't want Turner to hire Scott Frost as an assistant coach. I get it as a QB coach, but here's a guy who played DB and safety in the NFL, is the WR coach for Oregon, LB coach at Northern Iowa, unfortunately he did a year stint at gaystate under prince, but with ties to the NFL that will help in recruiting too. NOt saying I want him on the staff, but he wouldn't be the worst choice to have as an assistant.

MinnesotaJay 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm fine with this hire. Rock Chalk, Coach Gill.

Adam Evans 10 years, 9 months ago

I want to remind all the Lew haters of something here. Who was the AD that hired our men's basketball head coach Bill Self? Lew. Who hired the football coach that took us to an Orange Bowl win? Lew. Who hired our women's coach Bonnie? Lew. While I don't like this hire, it is better than Terry Allen. I think there were a lot of other candidates that would have had much better success, but it is not the worst hire in our history. So, Lew haters, shut up. If you want him fired, get rid of all the good things he has done. So get rid of Self and Bonnie too if you want Lew gone.

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

KU...You make me sick. We had the opportunity to hire a homerun coach and we settled for a pop fly. It is because of people like you that KU football is destined for mediocrity again.

MrPilot 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't know anything about Coach Gill, but if this rumor is true, I will keep an open mind and wish him the best. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Waylon Cook 10 years, 9 months ago

Total Joke! Total Joke! Total Joke!

Lew you need to get someone else to hire coaches....

jayhawkintx73 10 years, 9 months ago

If he is the coach, its time to support him because if you don't, you don't support the football program. My first word of support is DEFENSE!

jayhawkr34 10 years, 9 months ago

OK OK, so by lew Jerkins standards if we lose 7 games next year, WHICH WE WILL, lew the slug JERKINS needs to be removed next year. I say he goes NOW, but seems everyone is a lew "koolaid" drinker. Well at least we still have basketball, football will be a 10 loss a season team for quite awhile again.

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

You people that think this is the worst hire ever and a disaster crack me up. Well I guess it shows that you can read because all your basing that off of is his record and not looking at what Gill's actually done. He was Nebraska's lead recruiter for 10 years while they were dominating the country and bringing in some of the top talent in the country. He took over the WORST Divison I football job in the country, with the worst facilities in one of the worst towns. A school that had never had a winning record in D-I and had a 1-11 record when he got there. All he did there was win the MAC in his 3rd year. He's also a great person which is a huge breath of fresh air after the Mangino era. I'd say that's pretty damn good. You people that think the ski's falling and want Lew's head on a chopping block need to calm down. If you think this is a horrible hire you obviously know nothing about Turner Gill.

Great job Lew, looking forward to the Turner Gill era. I think we have pieces in place with Pick and Opurum and a young offensive line to fit into what Turner Gill likes to do and that's play physical football.

Also if your curious as to what kind of person Gill is look up quotes from his Buffalo players or Nebraska fans that know him. You'll hear nothing but great things.

jayhawkintx73 10 years, 9 months ago

CWGOKU, give your season tickets back, and then the bandwagon just has room for one more real Jayhawk fan.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Self and MM were not hired by Lew. They were just retained by him.

Second KU interviewed more than Gill, they met with Harbough (confirmed) and they met with Davis (Central Michigan), and rumor is they interviewed Fulmer. I'm sure there were talks with others. Also, ND interviewed more than just Kelly, I believe that Meyers, Stoops, Tony Dungy, Edsall (Uconn), Gruden were all turned down before they went to Kelly.

KU it appears was shot down by Jim Harbough, which was a top tier coach. I haven't seen that we have been shot down by Fulmer and Tuberville, so let's still hold out hope that this is just a rumor.

Someone said we should have a mediocre season next year, that it will take a couple of years for transition. That should not be the case, we have an easier schedule next year. One tough non-conference game and no TX,TT, or OU.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

sme: what opportunity? Who was this coach? Surely you don't mean Harbaugh, since we did reportedly make the offer. So who else?

Again, there is nothing indicating that these "better" coaches didn't walk out on Lew before he had a chance to woo them, underwhelmed with what KU had to offer. Even with the improvements made recently, do you think any former SEC coach is going to be impressed by what is in Lawrence? Memorial Stadium is still third-rate at best, and is much more the face of the program than our practice facilities and offices.

Jaminrawk 10 years, 9 months ago

People need to chill out. The guy has a nice coaching background and everyone who ever played for him loved him. You can't bury him before he even is announced for the job. I get the feeling he will be a very good fit at KU.

kranny 10 years, 9 months ago

I think it was Barry Switzer who said it aint' about the x's and o's it's about the Jimmys and the Joes. In other words, we may see better recruiting and better athletes, better coaching and development over a longer period of time instead of yanking kids out and playing while looking over their shoulder. Defensively we need much bigger and faster players than what we have. Our secondary needs a tougher mentality and our offense needs some new wrinkles. Welcome aboard coach Gill! I remember watching that 83 team and thought they were world beaters..until Miami and the dumbest 2 pt conversion play NU could ever run. I think they beat everybody by an average of 40 pts. that year..except Miami. I'd like to see a coach who isn't afraid to go into the homes of the 5 star athletes. I hope he gets ahold of Jacoby Walker soon. From what I've heard this kid is a stud and quite an athlete.

mr_jhawk4477 10 years, 9 months ago

kuguyintarheelland---

Lew did not hire Self or Mangino, Al Bohl hired Mangino and interim AD Drue Jennings hired Self

mahkmood 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm really surprised by this choice. I was completely wrong in my previous post in predicting that Perkins would not want a guy like Gill. Very surprising. Lew is a mystery. I'm very excited about this hire from the standpoint that I believe Gill is a guy of great character and will probably be a great recruiter. The fact that his coaching record is not that great in the MAC, and that he seems to be a bit too much of the players' buddy doesn't excite me. But I'm really hoping the best for Gill and of course KU. Now that it is official (I guess)... Turner Gill I'm behind you all the way! (just like I was for Mangino - because he was our coach - that's why)

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

he's our new coach. don't like it? suck it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4737280

Joe Schad's comments on why he's a great fit at KU I thought were pretty dead on. And out of all the candidates we had Gill probably has the best recruiting connections to Texas.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

was roy "qualified" when he was hired? turned out well. most of you are ignorant - your insight means nothing. go f yourselves?

KURocksChalk 10 years, 9 months ago

Congratulations, Turner Gill! And am happy for Jordan too, whose Daddy is coming to KU.

This is the shot at the big time, Coach. I expect you will make the most of it. One thing I deeply believe, there is no way if you had had the talent that we had this year that this team would have finished 5-7. With the great guys we had this year you would have been at least 8-4 or better. I really believe that if you bring in the best talent you can get and the best assistants and see that they are well-paid you could build a dynasty. Great men are not afraid to surround themselves with people who may be more knowledgeable than themselves to compensate for areas that perhaps are not your strongest suits.

I am happy for you and your family, enjoy this early Christmas and welcome to Kansas. Then, you better get to work. The North is up for grabs. Go get it. We are with you. I have no doubt that you are God's Man. Rock Chalk.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

soobawls can always be counted on to throw the race card in the ring. nice work, simpleton.

Mangino_Maniac 10 years, 9 months ago

Umm... we're gonna hire Gill when Tuberville openly expressed his desire to coach at KU? Good gravy everyone... what is Lew thinking?

Sorry, but bringing Gill here is not bringing the best coach available to Lawrence, and that's what we need!

Lonnie Ross Dillon 10 years, 9 months ago

Folks, we aren't going to steal away Urban Meyer so get off your high horse. That said, look at what TG has done. He took over what many have described as the worst team in Div I and in his 3rd year he won the MAC Championship. Is that the same as the Big 12? Of course not, but can Buffalo attract the kind of talent the Big 12 can? Of course not! He took the talent he had and a few he recruited (he didn't have a lot of time) was able to win. I'm all over this guy. I"m excited. Let's go win!

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 9 months ago

Mangino wasn't a head coach and hadn't won a game prior to his arrival.

Gill is a good, solid choice and will keep this program on track and probably elevate it.

shelleysue 10 years, 9 months ago

just heard on the news that this has not been confirmed. I would not be happy with Gill when there are others that apparently want the job and seem to have a better resume. We don't need a coach to take a program that's six feet under and breathe life into it. Mangino already did that.We need a coach who can take the progam to the next level.

Oh, I'll be at the games regardless, but I was pretty upset when I heard Gill was the new coach. No offense - I'm sure he's a great guy.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

If you owned a company and you were looking to hire the best CEO, and you had a list a poeple you wanted to hire, you. But there is a guy out there that got fired a year ago that's been out of work since then, says he wants to work for you, but he's not on your list, do you just say ok and hire him, even though he dosent fit your company or your mission?

NO you don't.

That's why Tuberville didn't get interviewd, didn't get hired and so on. Self promoters are terrible. But he did get his name back out there for next year's openings.

Craig Watcke 10 years, 9 months ago

HCTG's 09 wins UTEP, Gardner Webb, Akron , Miami of OH, & Kent State - I think some OH high Schools may have beat Kent & Miami this yr.

nckhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

SCREW LEW...the guy is setting himself up for retirement by bringing in a charity case. He will not see the end of the contract signed with Gill...I'm not saying the guy hasn't coached his Juco team in Buffalo well, but the Big XII is an actual football conference. Lew's got his hall of fame coach on the hardwood, and there isn't going to be any big money coming into the football program for another 4 to 5 years. I hope im wrong, but I wont be around long enough to be told.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 9 months ago

Who hires coaches without great track records? Lew Perkins does. But he hired Randy Edsell and Skip Holtz and they proved to be pretty darn good hires. This guy is a GREAT guy and his players LOVE him!!! As far as next year's win total, it won't be Gill's fault if it isn't better than 5-7. We have a lot harder non-conference schedule and are replacing a whole load of skill position players. We all need to get behind this guy and give him a couple years. I'm really pleased with this hire, even though I was really hoping for Harbaugh. Amen to whoever mentioned the Roy Williams hire being a risk. Glen Mason, another risk. Mark Mangion...risk. ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

wolfy 10 years, 9 months ago

I support TG without reservation. Bring in good assistants and things will work out well. There is a dearth of character in college sports (and everywhere else for that matter). Mr. Gill, please prove that you can win with character. But win nonetheless. You will be big time if you do. You have my support.

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

"he inherited the worst program in college football and turned them into a conference champion."

...in the MAC, with the 12 next worst programs in college football.

kupopp 10 years, 9 months ago

Have any of you critics ever been to Buffalo? I have been in and out a number of times on business. In fact I spent a long month there one Thursday night when snow shut the airport down.

Take a minute and look at the weather forecast for the next ten days. Look at the annual snow fall. Then you will know why a 5-7 record at Buffalo is the same as a 10-2 record at a school with better weather, with a better tradition and better facilities. There is no way he could have done more in luring recruits into that hell hole.

I am looking forward to Coach Gill, with his experience and recruiting ties to Texas.

Welcome to Lawrence!

atexasjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Dear god, please just be a rumor. Please, please, please!

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

nckhwk, dude what are you talking about? "Screw Lew" and "no money going into the football program"? Dude there's more money going into the football program now than there ever has been. Maybe you haven't been to Lawrence in awhile and seen all those new facilites they've built. You can thank Lew for for raising the money for that.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

soobawls - please leave race out of this. football chat only please, bigot.

perhar 10 years, 9 months ago

Terrible hire.

We have the facilities, campus, salary, and conference to get a solid coach. Gill has had ONE good year. ONE. He followed it up by finishing 8th in the MAC this year.

And it's ridiculous to compare this to Roy. For every Roy there are 50 duds. The same comparison was made for Terry Allen and Ron Prince and we all saw how those ended up.

I will support him, as I love KU football, but I think this was a near worst case hire. We didn't need to reach for a mediocre coach hoping he's going to be good, we needed to hire someone who has shown they are good. Our program isn't in a state where this type of reach needed to be made.

Perkins, I sure hope you know what you are doing because from what I see here, you don't.

desertjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Welcome to KU coach Gill. Please disregard all of the Mizzery and KState haters on this board. I believe the real KU fans know you'll be successful. RCJ!

TwistedFish31 10 years, 9 months ago

While Gill wouldn't have been my #1 choice as our new football coach, I do see the upside. If you watch the video on him on the Buffalo football team sight on espn.com, you'll have a different opinion of him. Both Auburn and Nebraska almost hired him and I think he'll be a good coach for KU.

That being said...didn't all these papers also say that Nutt was going to be the next KU football coach? And then Harbough? I'll believe it when they have an actual press conference.

Jeremy LeMaster 10 years, 9 months ago

I am hoping this is unsubstantiated just as all the Harbaugh talks have been. I do not see this as being confirmed by Lew which provides hope.

MrPilot 10 years, 9 months ago

Jesse Newell posted a nice video about Coach Gill over here:

jakzhumans 10 years, 9 months ago

I've posted the long, sad history of Buffalo football before, so I won't repeat that here. Suffice it to say that the 20-30 record Gill brings to this job does not tell the whole story of his achievements at Buffalo. That program was so hideously bad that no one ever expected the kind of results he got, and certainly not in the time frame he got them. Add that to his long-standing Big 12 experience, his recruiting success at Nebraska, his ties to Texas, and his overall approach with his players, and I think this is a great hire. I'm eager for 2010, and glad I already renewed my season tickets. Welcome, Coach Gill.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 9 months ago

how do you gain experience if you're not given an opportunity to obtain it? he's the new coach. don't like it? don't care. dude's going to be great.

get back to whatever it was you were doing before you jumped on here to spread your hate.

"bigot: soobawls. [n] a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own."

Fred Davis 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm disgusted by the number of people bagging on Turner Gill - this guy should've been hired at Auburn last year, and while people are pointing to his record, Buffalo is a horrible place to recruit to and you've got the state of NY as your recruiting base - give me a break. Not to mention Buffalo broke in a new QB this year while dealing with a slew of injuries this year - including losing their leading rusher before the season started and going through five RBs this season. Add to that their O-Line was banged up all year and they lost five of their seven games this season by an average of four points - I can understand that and that's not a reason to call this guy a bad hire. Turner Gill is a winner - plain and simple. He knows how to recruit, and the guy has a proven pedigree of how to win.

A lot of you haters that are jumping off the bandwagon, that's fine, but once KU starts winning again, all of those same haters that are bagging on Turner right now will be back on the bandwagon and arguing that Turner was the right hire the whole time. But, I will say this - while I disagree with those bagging on Gill - the response to this hire and the fact that Jayhawk Nation is in full football mode right now with the KU Hoops team #1 in the country proves that this school cares about both and the future of KU Athletics is very bright with a vibrant fan base and two excellent coaches - Rock Chalk and here's to nine wins in Turner's first year.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

When was Houston Nutt rumored our coach? Oh yeah he self promoted himself saying he like the position. Just like Tuberville saying he wanted it too.

What's up with these SEC coaches being shameless self-promoters???

champs528808 10 years, 9 months ago

Can't believe all the hatin' - maybe y'all need to become Mizwho fans. 1. Mangino was an ASSISTANT coach at OU when he came. 2. Edsall and UCONN did not win the Big East. 3. Sumlin and Houston did not win CUSA. 4. Holtz and ECU just won CUSA, but Gill won the MAC a few years back. 5. Harbaugh and Stanford did not win the Pac-10, oh, but his wife is from KC. 6. Fulmer was FIRED at Tennessee. 7. Tuberville was FIRED at Auburn. Big time college football? Maybe big time facilities, but we've had one great season in the past eight years, really more, and that's it. Consistent years of 9-3 or better and winning at least a division title - then we can join the conversation of big time football. Give Turner Gill a chance - he's played in and coached in more championships than we've thought about.

Dan Harris 10 years, 9 months ago

SMEJHAWK1- what would you prefer an atheist left wing liberal!

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

MrPilot, great video thanks for posting that link.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

I think its clear that if we hire Gill, it was a backup plan, and with the other names out there, I hope was not our first choice.

By the way there was always a reason why Auburn and Nebraska hired someone else.

We hired someone else's runner-up.

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

jakzhumans, couldn't agree with you more.

7texdude 10 years, 9 months ago

If Tuberville or Fulmer are dying to coach again, why don't they apply at Buffalo? or Cincy? or....?

KURocksChalk 10 years, 9 months ago

Come on, guys, stop shooting. One this is pretty certain, this is much bigger stage for Turner Gill. It would have been in the "backwater" for Harbaugh or Tuberville. They may have acted like it was. If they had had the slightest little hint of "It's only KU" the players would have picked up on that and their big name and big experience would have been meaningless.

I expect Gill to be proud to be a Hawk, thankful for where he is because of where he has been. He won't be second-guessing himself about the decision to come here. The others probably would have and would have telegraghed that to others. If he can recruit like I think he can, KU will be set to build. As for me, if we can go 8-4 for 5 years running, that is very good and another step in the right direction. I firmly believe that under his leadership we can easily do that. Meanwhile, how about if we can all make him think he is the best hire in KU History. He might just turn out to be.

nckhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

Hawkrock11...the money raised for thoese facilities was the year of the Orange Bowl...the gridiron club will not happen. Lew did a great job, DID. He is done, tired, finished, old (ok so hes not THAT old). You dont build a program and then start back over and RE-build. You take off from where your at. Gill is a horizontal move, not vertical. I agree mangino had to go, you cant sell a loosing program, but not to hire someone who is on the same level. Oh yeah, I have been to Lawrence lately, I went to the Oakland bb game, "Im just glad its basketball season" witch is something I am sorry to say is something we will be hearing for a long long time. RIP KU football.

Darsves 10 years, 9 months ago

Geez people, cut the guy some slack here. He wouldn't necessarily have been my first choice either, but I'm willing to give him a chance to prove himself. He has obvious Big XII ties which will play a huge role in our recruiting and help us get players that Mangino would never have attracted. And I know he went 20-30 in the MAC, and no the MAC isn't of the same caliber as the Big XII, but considering the utterly repulsive shape Buffalo was in before he got there and then him getting them a conference championship, I'd say he would have to have some sort of coaching prowess to be able to overcome the obvious obstacles and hurdles that were in his way of doing so.

And everyone bringing up his religion or his political views, what does that have anything to do with this hire and how at all would it be negative on the program? If anything, his coaching style would garner the respect of his players and make them want to give it their all for him. I know this because their is an ex-NFL coach that comes to mind that fits this coaching style and was always a winner, and his name was Tony Dungy. He was a devout Christian and never yelled or cursed at his players, yet he only went on to win 5 consecutive AFC South titles with the Colts, winning 12 games in six consecutive seasons, and winning a Superbowl. Anyone who says this coaching style can't work and says that we won't be able to win by it obviously needs to be more open minded and not think that the only way to win football games is to get in your players' faces and scream.

Just give him a chance people, no sense in jumping down his throat already before he even has a chance to prove himself in a big time conference and with a team that will have a ton more talent than Buffalo. We should all be cheering for him to help get our team over the hump and become a consistent, winning team. I know he has my support.

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

jhawkdan42and justinryman...I would have preferred a competent coach with national visibility who would build on what Mangino has done since 2002.

troutsee 10 years, 9 months ago

Okay, I'm the first to admit that I wanted the superstar. However, when I stopped to think about it, this really is a good hire. This guy still has the fire in his belly, has a drive to succeed, and has a good work ethic. He is not going to roll in here like a superstar and expect everyone to fall all over themselves trying to touch him. This guy knows that he has to prove himself all over again. And there is no greater motivation than self-motivation. You people who think that his won-lost record should deny him the job don't know much about football or the utter shambles the Buffalo FB program was in before Gill took over.

Lew is an outstanding AD and we are lucky to have him.

Hey, let's come together here and get behind both of these guys. They both need our support. Let's be positive. God, I hate doom and gloomers.

RonBurgandy 10 years, 9 months ago

Sheesh people, you are being absolutely ridiculous. Turner Gill is a great hire for KU, I am super excited this is the guy we got. His resume shows he more than ready to break through to a BCS school.

Think about the location and facilities he had to recruit to at Buffalo. Think about how he had to get quality players to come to one of the worst programs in all of D1. Think about the recruiting pool he had to choose from.

Welcome to KU, Coach Gill. I am really glad you decided to join us.

Maracas 10 years, 9 months ago

Perkins should be run out of town with this hire. This is completely underwhelming. Throw the last bit of dirt on the grave of the Gridiron club. This is the football hiring legacy of Perkins?

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

nckhwk, wow you couldn't be more negative. Lew was in charge of putting the marketing campaign together to raise that money. KU had one good year, that doesn't make them an elite program deserving of prying away Urban Meyer from Fla. When Gill has success at KU please don't jump on the bandwagon, a "dead" program like KU's wont need you.

jcsmith 10 years, 9 months ago

Kuguy. Get your sheet straight before speaking. It helps your credibility.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

National Visibility? Like being interviewed at Auburn and Nebraska? Being in the Top 5 for the Heisman Trophy voting in 1983? Winning Outstanding recruiter in the mid 90's? yeah Turner Gill dosent fit any of these.

Mangino_Maniac 10 years, 9 months ago

troutsee... I'm agreeing with your view more and more. I think as the days and weeks pass by, KU fans will start to love Turner Gill as our HC.

Interesting note... five of Buffalo's losses this year were by seven points or less (three losses by three points or less)... they were competitive for sure. The bigger picture with Gill though is his approach and how he turned that program around overall. He will be a good pick for KU... he has 13 years as an assistant at NU, and the more I learn about his recruiting ability, I'm starting to get more and more excited. He is high quality.

I wanted a big time hire at first... and now I'm starting to think Gill is just that... RCJH.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 9 months ago

I already stated I like the hire, but I do want to defend Tubberville, even though I thought that would have been a mistake. Tubberville resigned from Auburn, and not under any pressure to do so. He was not fired, and was, in fact, asked to stay by the AD. He'll want to clarify that next time he shamelessly promotes himself for a head coaching position.

Jayhawksrule2009 10 years, 9 months ago

Can anybody see the Kansas Jayhawks turning into the Kansas Chiefs know There are alot better coaches out there that they can look at. And they can only come up with the worst onces

Turner Gill=Todd Haley

Scatterhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

"Collectivist". I do not think this word means what you think it means.

Also, just so you know, Rorshach isn't a character to be idolized.

Darsves 10 years, 9 months ago

  • troutsee/RonBurgandy

I agree with you both. I'm looking forward to next season and we all should come together to support Gill. We're all KU faithful here, we need to stop ripping him and creating a rift in our fanbase and just start supporting him and giving him the chance he deserves. We may not all agree on the hire, but he is a Jayhawk now and we should be with him all the way until he proves to us that he wasn't the right hire by his performance here.

RCJH!

kutodd 10 years, 9 months ago

This is a very good hire for KU.

Anyone who looks at the wins and losses for this guy is wasting their time.

MM first 3 seasons = 2-10, 6-7, 4-7 12 wins and 24 losses

I dont know about others, but when I was at KU when we couldnt fill the stadium with 20k people. The 2003 season we went 6-7 Iand could not fly to FL for the bowl game with more excitement.

ROCK CHALK!

jhokfan 10 years, 9 months ago

The 24 hour rule is in effect. Get it out of your system because starting tomorrow, no more bashing of Mark, Lew or Turner.

Seriously people, I want to see nothing but happy faces starting tomorrow. DID YOU HEAR ME, HAPPY FACES!

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if Gill will stay and coach the bowl game for Buffalo or if he will leave immediately....

Oh wait he isn't bowl elgible in a wimpy conference like the MAC.

Come on...this is clearly not the best hire.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

There appears to be two schools of thought on this: The group that think that the risk on Gill is worth taking, either because they don't think he is that great of a risk, or because they think his upside is much greater than the alternatives (Tuberville, Holtz, Jones); and the group that believes a less risky choice (Tuberville) would at least maintain the limited national prominence we have acheived, with the probability that KU could build on that prominence. I fall into the latter category. No national media outlet really cared when we hired Mangino. It got about as much pub as Marshall will get when they hire a coach. If this hire fails, we'll be back to that sort of relevance. We cannot make multiple bad hires in a row like Notre Dame or Nebraska and still have a solid group of candidates. If, and I hope this is not true, Gill's under .500 after 4 years and we're looking to replace him, we won't have the sort of pool we have now. We will have to look at non-BCS head coaches and coordinators exclusively. The pickings will be slim. I think both sides are using hyperbole and making rather extreme statements to make their point. Hopefully, every KU fan supports the team, including the new coach.

Layne Pierce 10 years, 9 months ago

Turner Gill is a good hire, not a great hire, but a good hire. In a couple of years I expect big things out of him. Fact is we don't have a couple of years for on the job training.

Turner will have to put together a very good staff to convince me that he really knows what it takes to move a program in the Big 12 BCS conference. It's more than training quarterbacks, it's more than being a father to a bunch of wayward players, it is managing a complex organization in a very competitive environment.

I would like for assistants, Eric Crouch, OC, Grant Wistrom DC, Rimington OL, Jason Peter, DL. For the heck of it keep Clint Bowen to coach special teams.

Seriously, this hire does not inspire confidence in the overall direction of the program. I suspect that the other people wanted more money than Lew thought they were worth, perhaps even Harbaugh, who might have balked at anything less than 3 million a year.

I think Tuberville with any warts would have done much more to instill confidence in the program. We have hired a very good risk, and someone who 8 years ago would have been a great hire, but the question remains have we made no real progress in 8 years?

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

KU, jawkdan42, justinryman and all of rest of the outdated love it or leave it folks:

we had the chance to really elevate the football program to an elite status like the basketball program and with this hire we have wasted that opportunity.

Chris Weaver 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm behind this hire. I think HCTG is going to be a leader Jayhawk nation can be proud of. While the choice comes with risk, those in the know say Gill's upside is great, and unlike Harbaugh and Tubberville, I don't think Gill will use the hill as a stepping stone if he finds success. Word is there is some bad blood with Nebraska for passing him over and I suspect our boys will be primed and ready to smack down the blackshirts every year.

Cheers to Head Coach Turner Gill & welcome to Mt. Oread. You are now going to learn how good it feels to hear Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

GoBigRed1 10 years, 9 months ago

Some of you people are just plain idiots!

Turner Gill is a decent human being and will make a fine coach. I was disappointed he wasn't hired as NU's Coach 2 years ago.

Give the man a break and a fair shot. I predict in a few years that you will be raving about what a great HC Turner Gill is.

You cannot see the forest for the trees. Dolts

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1, please don't compare our football program to our basketball program.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't want to wait a few years.
That is the whole point. With past coaches we were "building". We really aren't building any more we are "turning the corner" "going to the next level" "continued success".

Turner Gill is more a building coach and we need a coach that can move us forward.

We did this MAC conference thing when we were rebuilding.

I'm really hoping this is just a rumor.

Goldenhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree with rockem. I am not totally thrilled with the hire as his record is less than 500. We will find out if he is ready for the Big 12.. My memory he was a great QB at NU and rarely made mistakes. He also appears to be a man of few words and also very religious. He gets my vote there. I wish him the best!

jcsmith 10 years, 9 months ago

Kupopp.

Rofl. You said a school with better tradition. Yes. KU is such a tradition rich football school. Lol. WTF?

What alot of you are saying about how mangino was just an assistant coach when he was hired and blah blah blah. And that we need to give Gill a chance since we gave others the chance, theres no comparison. Mangino was given a chance when KU football was nothing. We were literally like, not even a number on the national scene. Mangino did miracles for this program, and I believe that is what most of the heart ache is about. Not the fact that Gill does not deserve a chance, or because of his religion, race or panty size. It's the fact that KU football, for the first time in its history, has been labled a contender on the national scene. Maybe not a title contender, but a bowl contender if nothing else. The tradition has been started just within the last few years. We are at the thresh hold of breaking into title contingency. And common sense tells you that to break through that thresh hold, you HAVE to hire a TOP TIER Coach. You don't "take a chance" and expect to be at the top. To get to the top, you hire from the top. Gill may be a good fit, but it's the risk factor that is just a little too unacceptable. Money talks, and of all people in the world, Lew should know that. We should absolutely be able to draw a successful coachs interest. I just think Lew made a knee jerk reaction since the landslde has already started with our commits. I don't care if it takes a month to hire a coach, as long as we get one that has been proven to deliver the promise land.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBigRed1- Taking a break from the letter writing campaign about the :01 replay reversal in the title game? Good for you. Still, you should go somewhere where your opinions are valued.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 9 months ago

It may take Turner a few years to get us back in contention in the North, but expectations don't mean much in college football. Going into 2007, everyone thought Kerry Meier was going to be the QB and nobody expected much coming off a 6-6 record. I don't need to tell everyone what happened. The cupboard is not bare, so I'm being cautiously optimistic that we can go 3-1 in non-con and beat the likes of KSU, ISU, CU, Baylor, maybe even another team or two in conference. Things are not as bad as they were when Mangino took over.

Bruce Janssen 10 years, 9 months ago

I wish I owned a liquor store in Lawrence, because there's a lot of whiskey talking tonight. Those of you who are ready to jump off the Kaw River bridge might want to pause until the new coach announces his assistants. I predict you'll do a 180.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

Well Im leaving work now and I will wake up and see if this is reality or what tomorrow when I come back. But at this point I like the Turner Gill hire.

If not him who, and please stop saying Tuberville!!!!

John Gallup 10 years, 9 months ago

WOW, I cant believe some of these posts, Gill will be a great coach and more that that he can recruit is butt off. We have a guy that can go into Texas and get recruits. Perkins has a good track record with coaches but some of you idiots only see the glass half full, Lame....

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

BrooksideJayhawk--

Good sense of humor--that was a good one!

milehighhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Is it possible for KUSports.com to get an "ignore" function?

I've seen it on other message boards.

I never want to see another Soobawls post. He's an unapologetic bigot, and brings race into the discussion for no reason. He takes shots at Tyshawn Taylor's character every chance he gets......more importantly - he offers nothing to the discussion, and doesn't seem to have much of an analytical grasp of any sport.

Please work on getting an ignore function for this board.

James Horton 10 years, 9 months ago

People on here seem a little crazy... Conference Championships Turner Gill 1 Mark Mangino 0

Isn't that what we are after? Harbaugh is crazy and he's not worth all the consideration. You are all talking trash on one of the head recruiters of a national championship team, and you are yelling about Lew Perkins. It was Perkins who secured donations for the new football facilities not Mangino. HCMM had the most talent he has ever had this year and he couldn't win the games he was supposed to let alone the ones that he wasn't supposed to win. Also, I'm glad to know that one recruit leaving is considered a landslide. That kid was leaving before HCMM left. I think if we see a ton of kids leave it's because we lost 7 games in a row! Not because we hired a Coach that took a program that had won 12 games prior to his tenure to a conference championship.

Why do people say that we aren't still building? Are you happy with 6 wins and bowl game? That's all that HCMM was really good for, and this year he couldn't even run the clock out to deliver that.

Tribehawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Not sure if anyone's posted this observation so far, but I was just looking at some of Gill's recruits at Buffalo over the past few years. He seems to be pulling them in from all over the east coast (including FL) and eastern midwest. He pulled in a lot of 2 and 3 star athletes to a 1 star school. Not too shabby. If he follows his M.O. at Buffalo, it looks like Gill will recruit on a national scale. That's a nice change of pace from recruiting 90% from just TX. An east coast pipeline can't hurt. Ask Bill Self.

kureader 10 years, 9 months ago

You'd think with 2+ million to offer that Lew could have found someone with a winning record and someone who would get KU fans excited about football. So far tonight 42% of the 1200 or so KU (and Nebraska) fans who saw this article gave a "thumbs down" to Gill. So there's certainly more than a handful of people who don't like this choice. Time will tell. Of course some who think Gill is God's Gift to Coaching are NU fans posing as KU fans on this blog. To them I'd just say, "Do you mind if we ignore your opinions?" You guys aren't exactly "gifted" when it comes to picking football coaches. Does the name Callahan ring a bell? Anyway, let's hope Gill pulls through ... he's a quality guy, but he certainly wouldn't have been my choice.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

Like I said on another post, the ultimate measuring stick is, "can Gill beat the K-States, the Mizzous and the Big 12 South teams?" Mangino was terrible against the South and only 4-4 (not 100% sure on that) against Mizzou. It will be a great hire when the above teams get beat on a consistent basis. Gil isn't exactly coming in with the cupboard bare. So, the ball is in Gill's court, or, football field, shall I say. Give the man his chance! Good luck, Coach Gill. Rock Chalk!

babyjay1 10 years, 9 months ago

Reading quotes from Tuberville, such as "I wanted to interview, they didn't want me" make him sound a little pathetic. Glad we didn't jump on that one... Everyone who is on board and ready to back Gill, good for you! Let's get behind him (if he is the new HC)! Funny the people who expect IMMEDIATE results, saying Gill = Haley. Haley hasn't even been with the Chiefs a full season - are you kidding? I will be fully behind HC Gill and ready to rock and roll next season! Rock Chalk!!!!

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBigRed1 - If you like Turner Gill so much, then Nebraska should have hired him, but they passed...for a reason. I would take Solich over Gill.

Hawkrock11 - There are numerous universities that are basketball and football power schools, we had a chance to elevate to that status and apparently have wasted it.

rcjh22 10 years, 9 months ago

Why can't we give the man a chance before we start saying how horrible he is? He turned the worst football team into a champion. Sounds like he can do something. Just give him a chance. If he doesn't perform and produce winning teams then you can say something.

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1, I'm not saying that we can't eventually get there but comparing football to basketball at KU is a reach which is a complement to our bb program. Gill is an up and coming coach for an up and coming program. I think that's a pretty good match.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

I have never seen this much excitement about KU football.

Ever.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

Mr. Gill welcome and you have my full support.

Thank you for being a class act, you will have to forget Go Big Red and learn to appreciate the Crimson & Blue.

Mighty proud to have you coach our kids, thank you for giving us a chance. Most fans will support your efforts and the rest aren't worth your worry. You have a big leg up as the last guy turned out to be a bum and finished last place and only one winning season in the league in all his years here.

RCJHKU

John Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

Sad that no other legitiment coaching candidate demonstrated interest. I think that Lew sent a strong message to the coaching community that discipline wont be tolerated. Mangino got a group of kids to play above their individual ratings as a team. I personally did not expect us to win the Orange Bowl vs. VT. Maybe Gill can work within the political landscape in Lawrence. No other available coach with B12 qualifications considered the position.

TexasHusker 10 years, 9 months ago

One of the primary reasons Nebraska passed on Gill was because two years ago our defense was in the tank (thanks Cosgrove) and we desperately needed an defensive minded coach to bring it back ----that is why Pelini instead of an offensive coach like Turner Gill. Based on a number of the comments I have seen on here, Turner is too good for you. You need to give him a chance ---I doubt that you will be disappointed, not to mention that after everything that has gone on, you could use a man with his integrity and character.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

TexasHusker--

Man, you hit the nail on the head--I'm excited. Definitely need a good DC. Grant Winstrom--is he coaching anywhere?

JHWK 10 years, 9 months ago

Welcome aboard, coach!

Gill's reputation, experience in the Big 12 as a player and a coach, and head coaching experience make him an excellent choice!

To all you nay sayers, it is so easy to applaud winning and act surprised if you are wrong, but so fun to say 'I told you do' if he loses. Impressive. With fans like you, who needs opponents?

Success will be judged by his performance, and I'm excited to see what he does. The players and recruits who stay will be thrilled with their choice.

Be proud to be a Jayhawk! And don't put down the decisions of people who are in a much better position to make a choice than those of you writing as though you are informed, saying anything but his experience got him this job. Glad we're in a country that allows us to hear from everyone - even the ignorant.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

TexasHusker is right in one sense -- our new Coach is the real deal! (by the way TexasHusker, any negative posts are from guys pretending to be KU fans, this site is behind the times & doesn't have a way to block Missouri users once they start badmouthing KU, pretending to be KU "fans").

To KU fans -- Nebraska people wanted Gill much more than Pelini if that tells you anything -- Nebraska fans know football, so we need to trust their instincts on this. Here's what the Shiver had to say, a very worthwhile read:

"The 47 year old Gill brings a big name to Lawrence once he arrives. The Fort Worth, Texas native is still a big name in his native state, which also happens to be the most fertile recruiting ground for Kansas football program. After a terrific high school career Gill decided to head to Lincoln, Nebraska to play for the Cornhuskers and head coach Tom Osborne. Gill finished his career as the Cornhuskers quarterback with a 28-2 record, and a perfect 20-0 record in Big 8 play. Gill returned to Lincoln after a short stint in the Canadian Football League, where he was advised to retire after a number of concusions. Gill was the Cornhuskers quarterback coach from 1992-2003. During his time as the quarterbacks coach, Gill was able to be apart of three national titles at Nebraska, along with being the position coach for Cornhusker greats likes Tommie Frazier, Scott Frost, and Eric Crouch. After a year as the wide receivers coach at Nebraska in 2004, Gill left Nebraska for the NFL when he joined the Green Bay Packers in 2005 as the Director of Player Development. Later that year, Gill was named as the head coach at the University of Buffalo. In his first season at Buffalo, Gill led Buffalo to a 2-10 record. In his second, UB finished with a 5-7 record, but finished with a 5-3 record in the Mid America Conference. The first winning record in conference at Buffalo since joining the conference in 1999. In 2008, Gill’s third season at Buffalo, Gill led UB to a 7-5 record and a MAC conference championship when his team defeated Ball State, who entered the game undefeated and ranked as high as #12 in the country. Gill leaves Buffalo for Kansas with an overall record of 20 wins and 30 losses. His conference record is 14-18, with one conference championship in 4 seasons."

100 10 years, 9 months ago

The guy was an assistant coach for 3 (three) national title teams!!!!

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

"People on here seem a little crazy... Conference Championships Turner Gill 1 Mark Mangino 0"

Because comparing the MAC with the Big 12 is not crazy at all.

areyouserious 10 years, 9 months ago

at least he is not obese!!!!!! Im a little disappointed that lew decided to make his big splash in an empty swimming pool, but I am gonna try to remain optimistic that Gill can make something postive happen here. Im a diehard jayhawk fan, as we all are (except soobawls, he is from manhattan) and we have to do one thing whether we like the hire or not..............demand success, otherwise he gets run out of town. It just seems like a big risk when compared to Fulmer and Tuberville.

On a side note???? How stupid are we that we are debating this issue, when NOTHING has been confirmed yet? I expect to wake up tomorrow morning to find out that somebody else has been offered the job!!!! This is crazy......

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1 (anonymous) says... "KU, jawkdan42, justinryman and all of rest of the outdated love it or leave it folks: we had the chance to really elevate the football program to an elite status like the basketball program and with this hire we have wasted that opportunity."

Thanks for jumping on board for the very first time TODAY and spewing your ignorant garbage, smejahwk1. Some of us have been proud Jayhawk supporters for years and actually have season tickets....or 6. Some of us have been contributors on this site for years and are respected for our opinions, even if they sometimes clash with others. Some of us have stated that this might not be the hire we preferred but we are willing to get behind Gill and support him until he proves he's not worthy of our support.

If you are a Jayhawk fan, get in. If you're not, take your sour grapes and go west and root for the Wildcats, punk. (For those of you who know that I generally treat everyone with respect on this board, forgive me. I'm not in the mood for whining about Lew's choice.)

Rock chalk, Coach Gill!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

Comparing the MAC to the Big 12--didn't Mangino play the Akron Zips--I can't remember who the team was but it was a Friday night game--the Jayhawks were favored but ended up losing by a field goal or something like that. MAC teams can compete!

Nigel Dunham 10 years, 9 months ago

All of you bashing Perkins are most likely the same who bashed him when he implemented the policies that have made KU into the 11th largest operating budget in all of college sports. Pre-perkins we were hovering in the 50's. The 50's people! That turn around alone earned him the title from Time Magazine as the best sports manager IN THE WORLD.

Simply put, Perkins is a genius and we true-blooded KU alumni know we are lucky to have him here. He has a history EVERYWHERE he has been to make great hires. Turner Gill is absolutely no different. Coach Gill is exactly what KU football needs.

You low-hanging fruits who keep crying are so pathetic. Either get on board with KU or go band-wagon another team, as KU athletics and the football team need our support.

I intend on giving my full support. Who's with me?

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

"Comparing the MAC to the Big 12--didn't Mangino play the Akron Zips--I can't remember who the team was but it was a Friday night game--the Jayhawks were favored but ended up losing by a field goal or something like that. MAC teams can compete!"

The MAC has three wins in 29 games against major conference teams this year. Yeah, they sure can compete!

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

Look people, I'm sorry, but wishing doesn't make it so. Even if this search happened after the Orange Bowl, KU still wouldn't have been a destination job. Add the last two years of underachievement, and the idea that KU was going to attract a "top-tier" candidate is just ludicrous. Facilities and salary are great, but there just weren't that many top coaches (even Harbaugh) who were going to leave their circumstances to take over a program with very little tradition, a mixed recent history at best, and where they were always going to have to compete with basketball (and pretty much always lose that competition). Not to mention trying to build a program to compete with NU/OU/UT/OSU, etc. Lew had some choices, but most all were coaches from smaller programs who were up and coming. For many coaches KU isn't a lateral move, it's a move downward, so Lew had to find someone for whom it was a move up.

Turner Gill is in that class, by virtue of coaching at Buffalo, but offers a ton of things unique for KU that other coaches like Holtz or Edsall don't offer. He offers a strong Big XII history and connections in the region. He offers a history of recruiting in the area, including in Texas, which is so critical to KU's continuing success. He also offers a temperament that is diametrically opposed to what we just had in Mangino, which may be necessary to turn around hits in recruiting that this whole scene is likely to cause.

Those of you who insist on repeatedly bringing up his record at Buffalo are missing the larger picture or being purposefully obtuse. A lot of people have already pointed that out, but I think KU football fans need a reality check. KU is still a mid-tier Big XII North team (which has never won the division anyway) and the potential coaches weren't knocking down Lew's door (except for Tuberville, which really says all you need to know about him). Further, success in the SEC won't equate to success in the Big XII - they're different conferences with different geographical bases and recruiting bases and they have distinctly different cultures. Turner fits the Big XII, he has a deep understanding of what it takes to play at a national championship level (having done it himself and as a key part of 3 titles at Nebraska), and will bring a lot of class to the football program. At best this is a great hire, at worst a good one that takes KU in a new direction moving into the future.

Unfortunately, though, reading many of the comments here are enough to remind a person why KU isn't a legitimate football school yet. I can only hope that Turner Gill doesn't read this and decide that he's better off in a Buffalo winter than dealing with fickle KU fans who don't yet know what it takes to be a big-time program.

jhawkinaustin 10 years, 9 months ago

Sometimes comments on these articles blow me out of the water. Quite frankly, im embarrassed that some of these people who comment went to the University of Kansas. Turner Gill is a very good hire...not my favorite. Harbaugh would be my #1, with a pound it out offensive mind like Tuberville coming in at #2 (Opurum is our biggest offensive asset next year), but Gill would be my #3 and I think he fits 'our' situation perfectly (which suddenly moves him to my #1).

A guy that takes a newly annointed D1 program to a conference championship in his third year. As a comparison, Western Kentucky became a D1 program in 2006...their 2009 record; 0-12 with losses to Central Arkansas, Arkansas State, and Middle Tennessee State (24-62). He doesn't have the credentials??

And for those who wanted Phillip Fulmer....look at him first, and then be happy that he recruited Peyton Manning (and then realize they won the National Championship with Tee Martin at QB). I won't even comment on the Larry Fedora comments, go to http://oklahomastate.scout.com/2/709327.html and tell me that he will sell some Gridiron Club seats?.

Basically....dont say something on here unless you have something intelligent to say. Turner Gill will do very good things with this program by recruiting from his Ft. Worth contacts for a program that....lets be honest is currently about on the tier of UCLA, Cincy, Oregon St?, Auburn???? (I follow KU football more than KU basketball because my brother is a Texas Tech alumn and get **** every time we play)

Lets get serious...Turner Gill is going to make things happen. Watch any interview....he is what we need and he is going to be here for awhile.

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

Oh, and Alamohawk, no one in Nebraska is laughing. I'm in Nebraska, a student still at the University, and no one here is laughing. They're smiling because Turner finally got the chance that we all know he deserves and they're all secretly hoping that Osborne didn't make a huge mistake when he passed over Turner two years ago. There are many people up here, myself included, who think that Turner was the right man for Nebraska and probably a lot of NU fans who will be rooting for KU against all other teams in the future. That's how good of a guy Turner is, how important he was to the titles here in the 90's, and how much potential we all know Turner has, as people who spent almost 15 years with him in their program. Those of us who know about him, and can do more than read a Wiki and get his W/L record, understand that there is a lot more to the man than many people here are realizing. KU is getting a steal and people in the Big XII, especially Nebraska, realize it.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm behind Coach Gill. Now it's time to turn our attention to the biggest task at hand: staffing.

A head coach is only as good as his staff. I sure hope Coach Gill has a home run swing or 3......or 5.....I really would prefer not to have a bunch of NU re-treads from the Solich years on staff. We have no idea what Gill told Lew about his plans. He may have 2 or 3 guys in his hip pocket that made Lew comfortable with his ability to bring a competent Big 12 staff together.

I really don't want to see Bowen on the staff again, unless it's just as a special teams coach and recruiting specialist.

As far as I'm concerned, Beatty can stay to help ease the transition. Anybody else from the current staff you guys would even want around??

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

News flash: Nobody cares what Nebraska fans think.

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

KUReader, are you actually talking about Nebraska and coaches? Seriously? No KU fan should call into question Nebraska's football history, just as no Nebraska fan should call into question KU's basketball history. That whole idea is ridiculous. Those arguing for Gill may be Nebraska fans (I'm a Nebraska fan second to Kansas), but they're arguing for him because they know him and their love for him transcends their not wanting KU to succeed. I've heard from multiple NU fans that they'll be saying Rock Chalk for Gill if he's actually hired by Kansas. Nebraskans know him best and are rooting for him, even if it means rooting for him at another Big XII school. Add that to how much his players love him and it should give some of you naysayers pause. What is it about this guy that everyone else seems to think he's a good hire?

Oh, and the person asking if he's ever had to deal with gameplanning against the Mack Browns or Bob Stoops of the world, yes, he has - as an assistant at Nebraska when he was a key part of winning national championships. Don't underestimate his value to those title teams, particularly in terms of recruiting. It's likely that without Gill, Tommy Frazier isn't a Husker and those titles don't exist.

ammototo 10 years, 9 months ago

Don't hate the man...hate the man who picked him if it doesn't pan out. However if it does pan out...Lew = Genius?

Rock Chalk Jayhawk! GO KU!!!

USAF/AMMO

Joe Baker 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm open and will welcome HCGT to our program. Don't think we could've done much better!! He definitely has some great qualities that will only improve the program.

If a contract is written and signed, then:

Welcome HCGT and RCJHKU

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

CougIsLJW. That's hardly a news flash, but it's also pretty dumb. Nebraska fans know more about winning at football than KU fans do. They've known it for 40 years. Just like KU fans understand what it takes to win at basketball at a level NU fans never have. Each school has tradition in their relevant sport and it gives them insight that could be useful in this or any other discussion. And, when you're talking about a subject that one school or the other is uniquely positioned to know more about (i.e., Turner Gill who was at Nebraska for 15 years), then maybe it's time to put away your ego, listen to what they have to say, and realize that you don't know everything by virtue of being a KU fan. The people best positioned to know Turner Gill and his capabilities are those who experienced them the longest. In this case it's Nebraska fans or people like me who are KU fans, but happen to live in Nebraska and have experienced Turner Gill from that perspective.

William James 10 years, 9 months ago

Forget about the Gridiron Club. Forget about selling out the stadium as is, except of course when all are KSU nieghbors bring their purple army over here with a head coach that has a little better career record than 20-30. I see lots of empty seats in Memorial Stadiums future and lots of KU getting our ass kicked.

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

KU - You are an example of the arrogant fans who give this university a bad name. My father started taking my brother and I to KU basketball games in 1966 - Walter Wesley and JoJo White. I saw the 1968 football game when KU beat Nebraska. I am the old guard who expected Kansas to make something of the opportunity to really put the football program on the map.

Ed Fox 10 years, 9 months ago

Alright, more information from the KC Star. They detail what Gill told Lew that helped win him the job. It apparently includes commitments from people Gill anticipates hiring as assistants (a topic some of you have expressed a deep interest in):

"Gill will bring with him Carl Torbush, formerly the head coach at North Carolina and currently the defensive coordinator at Mississippi State, to be his defensive coordinator and Chuck Long, formerly the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma and formerly the head coach at San Diego State, to be his offensive coordinator. Gill is also expected to bring two other former head coaches onto his staff at KU."

http://www.kansascity.com/166/story/1627380.html

Those are some pretty big names to have as assistants already. Gill obviously did his homework and wanted this job pretty badly. This continues to be a good hire.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Whew! Looks like my concerns about Gill's staff have been addressed alread. See this article from the KC Star. Gill has 2 former college head coaches--Long and Torbush--lined up as his coordinators and 2 other former head coaches plan to join his staff. (Probably one of them is his current offensive coordinator at Buffalo, who was a head coach in the CFL.)

http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/1627380.html

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Now we need to start researching what type of offense Chuck Long will run and what type of defense Carl Torbush will run.

Get to work, guys!

phoghawker 10 years, 9 months ago

Very well said BannerforKirk. KU fans need to get behind Turner Gill and support him and welcome him to this university. He might not be your first choice, but guess what? It's not our choice to make! Good luck Turner Gill.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 9 months ago

Those that are hating on Turner, Lew, or anyone else regarding this hire aren't looking much past the end of their noses - 5-7, 20-30. Those are very comparable records to Mangino at the same point in his career. Mangino was already a proven winner at that point also (?), having received an assist coach of the year award.

Where they differ is the crux of this whole situation, Turner has never been run out of town by the team he coached or the parents of the players, much less having had it happen twice. I don't think any assitants quit within 2 games of trying to work with him either, much less had mass defections in assistants we have had here.

What we won't know is who we didn't recruit (except maybe for Tuberville) bc we don't get to see the insides of the search anymore than we get to see Mangino's exit package.

Turner is a proven recruiter in TX and nationally at the D1 level. I'm excited to see KU recruiting grow in depth and breadth in the years to come, and join the BB program as nationally recognized for excellence.

Rock Chalk

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1......Who's arrogant here? I'm the one who said I am willing to give Gill the opportunity to show what he's made of. You, my fair weather friend, are the one who is bellyaching that KU should have hired someone more deserving of wearing the Crimson and Blue due to "all" the cache we have built up over the last....what......8 years? I wanted a bigger splash, too, but I'm on board with Lew and this football team.

Is your daddy still taking you to games 40 years later, or are you now listening on your transistor radio in your basement?

Get on board or go away. We don't need negativity from you.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Meet your new offensive coordinator:

Chuck Long (born February 18, 1963 in Norman, Oklahoma) is an American football coach. He played quarterback in college at Iowa for Hayden Fry and professionally with the Detroit Lions and the Los Angeles Rams. He is an inductee of the College Football Hall of Fame.

After five seasons coaching at Iowa, Long left the Hawkeyes to become the quarterbacks coach at Oklahoma. Oklahoma coach Bob Stoops and Long were teammates on Iowa's 1982 Rose Bowl team. Long was an assistant on the Oklahoma team that claimed the 2000 Bowl Championship Series national title. He coached quarterback Josh Heupel to a second place finish in the Heisman Trophy balloting that year.

After the 2001 season, Long was promoted to Oklahoma's offensive coordinator position. Oklahoma won the Rose Bowl following the 2002 season, and in 2003, the Sooners set a Big 12 Conference record by averaging 51.5 points per game.

In 2004, Long was named as a finalist for the Broyles Award as the nation's top assistant coach. He was an assistant coach at Oklahoma for six seasons, including four as an offensive coordinator, and Oklahoma compiled a 67–11 record during his time there.

After the 2005 season, Long landed his first head coaching position when he was hired as the 16th head football coach at San Diego State University. Long had a record of 9–27 in three seasons as SDSU's head coach. On November 23, 2008, college president Stephen Weber announced that Athletic Director Jeff Schemmel had dismissed the Heisman nominee prior to the big win finish over UNLV. Coach Long finished his third season with only 2 of 12 wins including the one conference win on his final night. San Diego State finished the 2008 season with a 2–10 record, the first ten-loss season in school history

(From Wikipedia)

drewdun 10 years, 9 months ago

fabio wrote:

"Forget about the Gridiron Club. Forget about selling out the stadium as is, except of course when all are KSU nieghbors bring their purple army over here with a head coach that has a little better career record than 20-30. I see lots of empty seats in Memorial Stadiums future and lots of KU getting our ass kicked"

You sound like a really true blue KU fan. In actuality you're probably a BIG time KU basketball fan and you jumped on the FB bandwagon after the Orange Bowl season. Now that you're disappointed in our coaching hire you're already writing off the new coach and the whole freakin' program before he's even set foot in Lawrence! For God's sake, people like you give KU football fans a bad name. People like you are the pieces of excrement that leave Memorial at halftime and never return. You know what? Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. We don't need fairweather bandwagon sticker fans like you. Good riddance.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

BannerforKirk, My man, I completely agree....

I've always got along fine with Nebraska's fans (can't say I rooted for them except in National Championship games). Most of them seem to respect us & our university & certainly like watching us in the NCAA tournament. I think there's always been a little bit of a mutual admiration on both sides of the Nebraska & Kansas border -- us for their football (done the right way with lots of walk ons for multiple reps and no Calipari type cheating, just done right through hard work & recruiting).... and them for our basketball program, who they seem to support once we're not playing them...

I think their fans can relate to greatness...

And they love Turner Gill....

Deep down they wanted Turner Gill to be their coach...

And I respect NU fans that much more all of a sudden...

All I'm saying is, I think you've hit on something... I think we just picked up a bunch of new football fans.... like the entire state of Nebraska!!!

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Now THOSE are some assistant COACHES!!!!!!!!!!!!

We are SUDDENLY a recruiting machine!!!!!!!

Good job Turner Gill!!!!!!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!!!

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Here's your new defensive coordinator:

Carl William Torbush Jr. (born October 11, 1951 in East Spencer, North Carolina)[1] is a former college football head coach for Louisiana Tech University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is currently the Defensive Coordinator for Mississippi State University in Starkville, MS.

After only one year as head coach at Louisiana Tech, Torbush joined the UNC coaching staff in 1988 as defensive coordinator and linebackers coach. He was the only member of Mack Brown's original coaching staff to stay throughout Brown's 10-year tenure. He recruited and coached many defensive standouts; his 1995, 1996 and 1997 units led the nation in total defense three years in a row and were often regarded as the best in the country. During his time at UNC, at least one of his linebackers went pro every year. Among his more notable players were Julius Peppers, Brian Simmons, Greg Ellis, and Dré Bly.

After the 1997 season, Brown announced he was moving to the University of Texas. He left the team immediately, and Torbush was named to replace him. He coached the team in the 1998 Gator Bowl, capping off one of the Tar Heels' best seasons ever—an 11-1 season (only the third 11-win season in school history), and their highest ranking in the major media polls in half a century.

(From Wikipedia)

Hawk1969 10 years, 9 months ago

I like the staff Gill is putting together. Especially bringing in a coach with SEC experience. That could open some recruiting doors in the deep south where football is king.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Yikes! I just looked at the NCAA stats for Mississippi State's defense and other than intercepting 17 passes, they are horrible. Hopefully, there are some mitigating circumstances that we don't know about yet. Their defense is around #65 or so nationally in most categories.

I am not sure how long Torbush has been at MSU yet......hopefully this was his first season. Or maybe he had some key injuries this year? Anybody know anything else about them?

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow, that senior quarterback (in high school) in Western Kansas who had backed out of his verbal might think twice -- he's the only defection, so he might have to give us a call tomorrow morning!!!

How many national championships do we have on this coaching staff????

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvis 10 years, 9 months ago

Well, at least the comments here haven't degenerated into Obama-bashing like they have on the Wichita Eagle's article about this. Stay classy, KU fans! :)

100 10 years, 9 months ago

KU,

Mississippi State? 65th??? There are 300+ something schools. MSU has to go against Florida, LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee every year --

That's half of their games!!! They should be 299th!!!!!!!

By the way, I'll take 17 interceptions in 9 SEC games!!!!!

Good Lord, brother!!!!!

100 10 years, 9 months ago

This is gonna be an incredible staff!!!!!

Thank you Lew Perkins!!!!!!

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

100.....Jacoby Walker is a QB from Texas, but I hope he reconsiders, too.

Researching Carl Torbush......He played in the KC Royals system before getting into coaching.

This was his first year at Mississippi State and the whole staff was new. Their defense was better in 2008 than this year, but I haven't been able to tell if they lost a lot of starters this year or had a rash of injuries.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

100.....there are only about 119(?) Bowl Division teams, so #65 is about middle of the pack or lower.

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

Great to hear the staff's already coming together nicely. I know people have their reservations about Gill but give the guy a shot. I really REALLY think he's gonna turn out to be a great hire. This staff he's putting together sounds great. Your only as good as the people around you and I think he's putting some great assistants in place. Here's a good article from the star on Tommy Frazier's opinion of Gill: http://www.kansascity.com/159/story/1627372.html - “A great hire,” Frazier said. “He has a great football mind, and for recruiting he knows the Midwest and he knows Texas.” -“One of the reasons I signed was because they brought Turner back,” Frazier said. “He became my mentor and taught me everything I knew about the offense. He’s the best teacher I ever had as a coach.”

I've never been a Nebraska fan (mostly because they were kicking our a$$) but I always respected Tommy Frazier and when a player like that says these things I think it's worth listening to.

Can't wait for the season.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

KU,

This hire is the best thing that could have happened, I really had no idea how in depth all of this has been thought out, even without the sweet assistants he's bringing -- there is so much more of a plan to all of this than any fans realize....

Gill is so big in Texas recruiting circles, & yet again, there's a reason Lew Perkins was on the cover of that magazine a couple years ago as the best sports management mind in pro or college -- I think you get it.

We are very blessed with this hire, words can't describe it -- these last few weeks have truly been the perfect storm to make something like this happen.

We are going to be really (really) good!!!!!

Rock Chalk

William James 10 years, 9 months ago

When might as well go all out now and get power towels.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Mississippi State only returned 5 defensive starters this year, and only one was a defensive back. Hard to gauge how good Torbush will be on one year at MSU. He has been a defensive coordinator at some pretty great football schools in the past: aTm and Alabama.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

KU,

Thanks for the Division 1 correction in terms of # of schools eligible for rankings....

Still when you're at MSU & you're playing Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee & LSU, I'll take 65th & 17 interceptions against SEC competition!

This is exactly the kind of coach we need on staff!!!!!

jayhawkox 10 years, 9 months ago

In all seriousness, there is no need for any comment on these boards right now other than "Welcome, Coach Gill, best of luck and we'll be cheering for you." Presumably, no one on these boards, myself included, has any experience running a major Division 1 athletics department, has been responsible for hiring or firing any coaches at that level, or for maintaining a track record of success at that level. If the man who hired Randy Edsall and Skip Holtz thinks that Turner Gill, who has raised a program from the dead, has Tom Osborne's and seemingly every player he's ever coached's support, and was considered strongly for HC responsibilities at Auburn and Nebraska, is the right fit for KU football, I'm inclined to agree, and it seems like our players feel the same way. If you suddenly don't feel the need to come to KU football games anymore, like some petulant toddler, because you didn't get your way, fine, but please don't show up at the celebrations when we're back to winning bowl games in a couple years. Everyone here, again, presumably, is a KU fan, and at the end of the day what makes a KU fan a KU fan is rooting for KU to do well. Whether you think he's the right man for the job or not, it seems that Turner Gill is the new coach and he deserves the courtesy of a warm welcome and a chance to showcase what he can do for the University of Kansas before anyone passes any judgment on the quality of the hire. This is right in line with what anyone with a reasonable assessment of where KU football is with respect to national recognition should have expected: a highly respected up-and-coming coach from a mid-major conference with Big 12 and Texas ties who is known as a player's coach and a heckuva recruiter. I'll be interested to see who else ends up on the staff, but this hire definitely has me excited to watch some KU football. So if you have negativity to spew, I would ask you to take a breath, reconsider your thoughts, and realize that there's a chance, just a chance, that you're wrong.

Scott Smetana 10 years, 9 months ago

I have no reason not to believe in Lew... what has he done wrong?

Gotta give Gill a chance. Seriously, someone please take a list of all the handles above who are trashing him.

Cal Bender 10 years, 9 months ago

In 4 years Turner Gill has gone 20 - 30 at U of Buffalo. Extremely unimpressive. Below is the schedule he played this year and the win loss record. The caliber of teams Buffalo lost to this year is not impressive, and the teams they beat is even less impressive. Let's face it, Buffalo had a really weak schedule this year, and ended up 5 - 7. Let's face it, Terry Allen came to KU with better credentials.

2009 Football Schedule (5-7, 3-5 MAC) Download into your Outlook Calendar September

Sat., 5 at Texas-El Paso (CBS College Sports) El Paso, TX W, 23-17 Sat., 12 PITTSBURGH (ESPN Plus/Gameplan - WNYO) UB Stadium L, 54-27 Sat., 19 at Central Florida (TWCSN) Orlando, FL L, 23-17 Sat., 26 at Temple* (ESPN Plus/Gameplan - WNYO) Philadelphia, PA L, 37-13 October

Sat., 3 CENTRAL MICHIGAN(TWCSN) UB Stadium L, 20-13 Sat., 10 GARDNER-WEBB (Homecoming/Family Weekend)(TWCSN) UB Stadium W, 40-3 Sat., 17 AKRON(TWCSN) UB Stadium W, 21-17 Sat., 24 at Western Michigan* Kalamazoo, MI L, 34-31 (OT) November

Tue., 3 BOWLING GREEN (ESPN2) UB Stadium L, 30-29 Tue., 10 OHIO (ESPN2) UB Stadium L, 27-24 Wed., 18 at Miami (OH) (ESPNU) Oxford, OH W, 42-17 Fri., 27 at Kent State Kent, OH W, 9-6

MrPilot 10 years, 9 months ago

I'll second Hawkrock11.

Good Luck, Coach Gill! I can't wait to see what you can do!

Hawkrock11 10 years, 9 months ago

CalBender, AT BUFFALO! Do some research what he did at Buffalo in winning the MAC in his 3rd year was a BIG deal. Hell before he got there 5-7 would have been an amazing record. Your not gonna win 8 or 9 games a year at Buffalo, that's just not gonna happen but since all you see is what his record was last year than I guess it was a failure, although anyone who knows anything about that program would tell you your wrong.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

Cal Bender.......Right. And Bob Stoops' record before going to OU was more impressive. And Bill Snyder's record before going to K-State was more impressive, too.

What's that? Oh, right! Neither Stoops nor Snyder had any head coaching experience before going to OU and KSU, respectively! Silly me!

You can't judge Gill's ability as a CEO based solely on his tenure at Buffalo. Get with the program. Read the stories about how horrible they were before he arrived.

I'm not saying he's a sure-fire homerun, but your post was pretty uninformed if you're implying Gill isn't a good hire because his MAC team lost to some other MAC teams.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

PikesPeakSmitty,

Yes, these MU fans on our boards pretending to be KU fans -- it's been going on for a long time. Lots of obvious handles who keep doing it. For some reason the LJW doesn't seem to mind.

There really should be a disclaimer after every story on these boards...

Lew Perkins has done nothing but helped us & 99% of all KU fans know this -- that's why he was voted as the best sports management person in the world of sports a couple years ago -- he did great things at... KU! (wow for us? Yes, for us!!)

Rock Chalk, PikesPeakSmitty -- good to know we can at least count you as one real KU fan on these boards!

Dave Coen 10 years, 9 months ago

Rock Chalk! I can't wait. Good job Lew. Turner Gill will be a great coach. All you naysayers will be jumping on the band wagon. I guarantee it.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow, a basketball article has never even gotten 300 posts!!!!

The stadium will be full!!!!!!!

I'm telling you, Lew has struck when the iron is hot!!!!

There has never been a better time to launch the football program into the top of the Big 12!!!!

Great job Lew Perkins!!!

Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 9 months ago

I like the assistants he is bringing with him. This could be a whole lot of fun in the coming years.

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Boys, we have hit the gold mine....

100 10 years, 9 months ago

As a grandpa, this statement means so much to the recruiting process of top tier athletes... so often the question is, but "how is the school?" or "What's it like there?"...

Well, Turner knows already. This is a quote from the KC Star:

"Gill, born and raised in Fort Worth, Texas, is known as a dogged recruiter. He recruited the area when he coached Nebraska, and 11 players from Texas are on the current Buffalo roster. Convincing prep players to come to KU will be a much easier sell, especially considering Gill can tell them that his own daughter chose Kansas."

This might seem insignificant, but it's huge... his foot is in the door & a solid personal reason to go to KU ("my kid goes there & she could have gone anywhere she wanted!") is all he needs to get some of these guys who are bouncing around between two or three different school options....

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

Hail to Ku.... I beg to DIFFER...

We went 12-1 and squeaked intothe Orange Bowl by Mizzou losing the last game to be played..... WE deserved the BCS BOWL.... but it did not busy us ANY respect from ANYONE......

We were never expected to compete the in 08-09, we were told we weren't good enough and we weren't..... Plain and Simple....

As for 09-10, We went to 5-0... Mangino started spouting off.... and like the previous year no one gave us ANY hope of Beating Nebraska out other than people inside our own community..... We folded under the white elephant in the room.....

What we did for the Orange Bowl was VERY SIGNIFICANT, but don't delude yourself to people respecting us because of that year.... no one respected that team outside the Jayhawk base, and even some of US didn't......

Now that we wrapped up our "Dream Season" 5-7 and 1-7 in conference, were we going to get respect heading into next year????.... Frankly we might have the best running back and Receiver in the big 12 for the next two years..... You think anyone is going to give us a smile or a nod to go 6-6 next year under a new Coach.....

Exactly.... we had one great season under mangino and a few good ones.... What Turner Gill gives us that Mangino could never is someone who can handle player issues without pointing fingers at everyone but himself.... and someone who seems to be stand up in every aspect i have witnessed.... Kids bust their a**** for people who have got their back... I for one, will not be surprised to see us go 9-3 next year and win the North.... We have the talent... I think we have the speed, honestly... I think no one wanted to play for mangino after the colorado game....

The more i see the less i feel "potential"... the more i feel.... Impending success.... If this guy IS our coach, we are going to be much better for it....

KUBlue0809 10 years, 9 months ago

We needed a home run. Not a bunt. The optimists out there need to take a step back and look at what just happened. Who was fired, who was considered, and who was hired. IF this turns out FORTUNATE, we will be very lucky. Huge Gamble with MANY unknowns.

ryanzig 10 years, 9 months ago

I wasnt very excited about this guy but after doing research (espns outside the lines video of Turner Gill and wikipedia) Im ready to support this guy. I think he'll do the job and get wins. I am being optimistic, but I really do have a good feeling. Welcome to Jayhawk Country Turner Gill! ROCK CHALK!

jayhawk_in_iowa 10 years, 9 months ago

"Gill returned once again to Nebraska, where he coached quarterbacks from 1992-2003 and wide receivers in 2004. Gill served as position coach for two first team All-Americans, Tommie Frazier and Eric Crouch, with Crouch also earning the Heisman Trophy under Gill's tutelage. The Cornhuskers earned three national championships in Gill's time as an assistant there." from Wikipedia

hmmm....sounds like a good resume with just that paragraph right there. Add in the recruiting ties, turning around one of the worst programs, and the fact he is very well spoken of and highly respected in the college football ranks, I like the hire.

John Pritchett 10 years, 9 months ago

Under the circumstances, I'm sure Gill is the best we could do. It's a risk. He's an unknown commodity. Let's just keep our fingers crossed. Oh, and fire Lew. Even if Gill turns out to be a great hire in hindsight, we should have been in a position to do so much better than this, and I blame Lew and the Mangino fiasco for that.

Other than that, I like Coach Gill and I hope he makes Lew look like a genius. Go KU!

M4JAYHAWK 10 years, 9 months ago

The maestro LP has made his choice and while one can certainly understand they wanted a character guy, and one with a far reduced asking price than a proven winner, everyone is already asking why we didn't make a stronger run for the sake of all that has been put into the football program.

I remember reading about a local guy who just "won over" the leadership at a school, "wowed" the AD, was "sharp" and was one of the first to interview, probably one of only a few even conducted. You know what his name is: Ron Prince.

I thought KU had moved past having to reach for hires with all the investments the University has made, etc. This hire tells me several things:

  1. Mangino got paid...read LP wasn't willing (or would have caught major you know what from the DA and others) to throw out big time dollars.

  2. LP didn't want the public asking lots of questions, certainly after Harbaugh dissed us - whether anyone wants to believe that or not - he flat out told KU no - but unlike others, more publicly than LP liked. TG is a way to squelch that talk that LP couldn't get the right guy for the job.

  3. KU wanted a high character, well spoken, well regarded coach to try and rebuild the image and give the program a fresh start. (That I will give TG the benefit of being, which is awesome.)

What I don't understand is why in the heck do some KU fans and obviously some LJW staff seem to associate turning around a terrible Buffalo program with his ability to make KU a Big 12 north champ and 9-10 win program with consistent bowl trips.

Best of luck TG, go get em, bring us some excitement on the field and allow us to cheer about something positive regarding KU Jayhawk football again.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Melvis (anonymous) says... Well, at least the comments here haven't degenerated into Obama-bashing like they have on the Wichita Eagle's article about this. Stay classy, KU fans! :)

December 13, 2009 at 12:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

LOL! GOTTA LOVE THE DIRTY DUB!

meatsauce 10 years, 9 months ago

To all of you who support this hire, congratulations. You get it. To those of you who think Lew screwed up, sit down and STFU. You don't get it. Everyone in Husker Nation was rooting for Turner to get a big time gig....................just not at a Big XII school. You don't even know how huge a jackpot you just hit. Morons.

jayhawk4alifetime 10 years, 9 months ago

Give the guy a chance! Think he'll be fabulous. Knows Texas well and if he could take a couple of hands full of guys from Texas to Buffalo, think how well he'll do bringing them to KANSAS where they'll get to play against Texas teams each year. I love the Nolan Cromwell idea too. Bring on the Ransom Rambler. Hope KU fans step back and quit criticizing so much- this is still our school. Lets be positive and not so negative. A couple of years from now, we'll be worried he's going to go to a larger school because he's done so well in Lawrence. rock chalk

thekansasboy1987 10 years, 9 months ago

YOU CAN"T USE THE 20-30 RECORD AGAINST COACH TUNER IT DOES NOT SHOW WHAT KIND OF COACH HE HIS.THE #1 REASON IS HE STARTED WITH A PROGRAM THAT WAS DOWN ON THE BOTTOM AND BROUGHT THEM UP

smejhawk1 10 years, 9 months ago

KU - Read the article by Jason Whitlock in the Sunday Kansas City Star. It is written by someone who actually knows something about football. He discusses Gill's history and Mid-America Conference football, has a national perspective and he weighs in as unimpressed with KU's apparent choice.

kupopp 10 years, 9 months ago

jcsmith-

I am going to type this really slowly so you can understand me.

First, go back and reread my post. My comments were that Turner Gill had done a good job at a school with exceptionally poor weather and little tradition, in response to all the people bagging on him for his record at Buffalo. I was implying that if he had been at a better football school with a better climate, his record would likely have been much more impressive and therefore we would have no qualms about his abilities.

You made the extrapolation that I was stating that KU had a great tradition and was lol (ing) in your belief that KU has no tradition. Since you opened that topic, I will respond.

Remedial English: The word better is a comparison between two entities. Let's see- Buffalo: no bowl games in fifty years until Turner Gill became coach. KU: I have attended two Orange Bowls and a number of other bowls in between. Gale Sayers. John Hadl. John Riggins. Bobbie Douglas, Just to start.

So yes--- I will state that KU has a better tradition than Buffalo. But that was not my point-- that you completely missed in your desire to be critical.

My suggestion for you is to get a plexiglass operation then reread my post. LOL on this end.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

Well said Mr. Pilot:

Mr Gill welcome to Jayhawk nation.

Good points about getting the 'right' staff and the point that his daughter elected to go here and could have chosen anyplace a nice message to recruit's parents.

What is buyout that NU will have to pay us in 5-6 yrs. when Pellini flames out and we have the coach they want? fun to speculate.

Welcome aboard Mr. Gill.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

can't wait to line 'em up and play some ball, let's do it.

Chuck Long staff, great, how about Arrowhead Iowa series after MU deal is done, should bring about same # of fans, and be a nice new rival. Could become nice new revenue source for both schools, unless we get sweet deal from Jerry Jones DFW game, for the TCU, SMU, Rice or Houston series, as these pro stadium deals are part of future for the budget, sorry Larry town store owners, just the way it is.

Welcome Mr. Gill.

Reputation is what people think of you, character is what you are: Thank you Mr. Class Act Gill.

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

smejhawk1......I read the Whitlock article last night while you were whining about Turner Gill. If you took a poll of most readers, you would discover that Whitlock is known more for his shock tactics and controversy than his ability to understand football. Take a look at his opinions over the years and you will find that he's usually wrong. When he's right, it's usually because he has swerved from one side of an issue to the other.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Thank you 100 and KU...you make me proud to be a Jayhawk fan!

nddhawk (anonymous) says... All of you bashing Perkins are most likely the same who bashed him when he implemented the policies that have made KU into the 11th largest operating budget in all of college sports. Pre-perkins we were hovering in the 50's. The 50's people! That turn around alone earned him the title from Time Magazine as the best sports manager in the world.

Simply put, Perkins is a genius and we true-blooded KU alumni know we are lucky to have him here. He has a history everywhere he has been to make great hires. Turner Gill is absolutely no different. Coach Gill is exactly what KU football needs.

You low-hanging fruits who keep crying are so pathetic. Either get on board with KU or go band-wagon another team, as KU athletics and the football team need our support.

I intend on giving my full support. Who's with me?

babyjay1 10 years, 9 months ago

Liking what Whitlock has to say and taking that as "truth" - seriously???

And "fabio" - anyone with that as their screen name is obviously an imposter....

ALL of the real Jayhawk Nation should be supporting Turner Gill and our Hawks.

Quiet down the negative posts and let's get ready to go in 2010!

Rock Chalk!!!!

tulsahawkfan 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm excited about Gill and the coordinators he's bringing in. Chuck Long and Carl Torbush are proven coaches that have overseen elite teams on their respective sides of the ball. I remember Torbush at Alabama and his #1 ranked defense was tremendous. Long had some great years at OU too. Proven, skilled coordinators and what I think will be excellent recruiting has me excited about the years to come. Also, people don't get upset about the negativity on these boards. Just about every coaching hire in history has had people screaming "it's the worst hire in history." Give the guy a chance and some support and let's see what he can do.

jayhawkr34 10 years, 9 months ago

my question still stands to lew"the slug" jerkins, will you resign WHEN we lose 7 games next year?

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Everytime I ask this question I get no response....so I will ask one more, and last time to you Lew haters...

What would you have done different?

? I don't hear you....you haven't responded since November when the investigation was lauched, please tell me... What would you have done different?....Please tell me how this was a 'witch hunt"

So you would you have kept Mangino...lost our recruits and several of our current players as well??? Well I sure am glad you are not the AD...I'm sure we'd be shooting for another Orange Bowl in no time with MM...ya right...get a clue. This needed to happen and its for the best.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Tell me Jayhwk34....Should you have kept Mangino? So we would go from 1-7 to 0-8????

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

What a terrible guy that perkins is! He wanted the Jayhawks to win 1 conference game! At least! Instead of going straight down where were destined to go if we kept fatty....GET A CLUE! Or even a 1/10 of a brain works...not even a full one! come on! You can do it Jhwkr34! Think....think.....think.....good! good boy! Your a smart boy!

jayhawkr34 10 years, 9 months ago

so i pose the question again, will slew jerkins resign when we lose 7 games next year and the next year and the next year................

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

God...it is unbelievable to me how some people can think they can start to blame perkins...

On Thursday, Dec. 3, Mangino and Perkins agreed to a monetary settlement that allowed Mangino to resign without the results of KU’s investigation going public.

If that doesn't tell you anything, I don't know what does... He literally took a MAJOR paycut to try and save his future coaching career KNOWING for a fact that he would be permanently banished from any other college (and not s major college)position for the rest of his career...

Oh it must have been Lews fault! - It was announced there were gonna be stories whether Lew launched an investigation or not...get your story straight....

If you are a real Jayhawk fan you would definitely know that getting rid of him saved our recruits for next year, saved the players that we have right now, and will save us from a zero win season which would be guaranteed in 2 years if we kept this guy...Nobody would ever play for him! The damage was done...

Again lastly I'll ask.. What could Perkins have done differently???

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

First off I would love to make a bet with you- that we win more than 5 next year- I'd bet 100 on it! Because I take fools like yous money!

jayhawkr34 10 years, 9 months ago

i guess we will see what kind of fan you are next yr when we lose 7 or more games and still stand behind slew jerkins.

smileyiv 10 years, 9 months ago

This will go down as lew perkins legacy. This is his first big hire. For the University of Kansas and Lew's sake I hope it is a great one.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Now on the other hand, if we kept Mangino we would be sitting 0-12 in 2 years, with no recruits, no players and no program...

THANK YOU LEW! YOU ARE THE BEST!!

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Well we will see what kind of a fan that I am...

We already see what kind of a "fan" you are...

Apparently we should keep coaches that will make 20 current players transfer, and have 10 of our 15 recruits considering leaving if he stayed...You are a "fan" of that. You believe in that racial bs.

Ya, Perkins is such a jerk!

Like he had ANY choice?

I'll ask one more time, what would you have done? You say we wont win more than 5? K I'll bet on it...

So, What would you have done different?

Answer the question...TUH TUH TUH TUH TODAY JUNIOR!

Paul Rupp 10 years, 9 months ago

Jayhawk Nation---this is a great hire! HCMM showed us that recruiting the overlooked and motivating them uplifts our program---I'm thinking HCTG will move up a little on the recruiting meter and motivation is not a factor. Listen to the YouTube video on UB's Championship---listen to the last 50 seconds or so--You think this approach won't bring out the best in the players that KU now attracts, let alone an impovement on the same? And if HCTG can convince Buffalo Jesus to become Jayhawk Jesus---well, why not? I hear he's pretty good on special teams.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Go be a missouri wannabe slave type and go to some civil war recreations too...I bet that will get your rocks off also.

troutsee 10 years, 9 months ago

Let's get behind these two guys. To heck with all you moaners and groners and doomers and gloomers. We'll be fine. We have good players coming back. We'll hang onto our recruits and add to them. Gill will put together a good coaching staff and then do what he has been doing his whole life...work hard at winning. I am very optimistic, but then again, I am always optimistic. It feels too bad to be the other way.

Joseph Kuebel 10 years, 9 months ago

Apparently we are only going to lose 1 recruit out of this entire shananigan

And I don't see us missing much of a beat for next year as TG HAS already been recruiting the past few years in this area...

I personally can't not be optimisitic about this, we are in a different world than we would have been had we kept MM

troutsee 10 years, 9 months ago

Meant to say "groaners". Got in too much of a hurry. Oh well, you guys and gals get the gist.

hawksince51 10 years, 9 months ago

Could we be a little more objective here about Mangino vs. Gill? For example, someone above wrote: "gill was 5-7 this year in a non-BCS conference. mangino was 5-7 in the Big 12..."
If memory serves me correctly, Mangino wnet 1-7 in the Big 12 this year, and was an incomplete pass away from going 0-8. Sure, Gill is probably a gamble, but IMHO a reasonable one considering KU's prime recruiting territory.

GoBigRed1 10 years, 9 months ago

Rockenchalkemrobots says "GoBigRed1- Taking a break from the letter writing campaign about the :01 replay reversal in the title game? Good for you. Still, you should go somewhere where your opinions are valued."

Glad I got under your skin a bit. Since you asked, DOLT, I was never in a letter writing campaign about the clock reversal. However, your idiocy shows as Per the B12 rules, the replay clock is NOT reviewable.

Here's my take on it though (and I said the same thing with the Madhatters almost ripped Crouch's head off and did not receive a penalty): Good teams win in spite of bad officiating. Had we scored touchdowns instead of field goals, the alleged 0:01 would not have mattered one whit.

Perhaps, under your new head coach TG, you will come to understand what a good football team is. Something that you never have had in your sorry little existence. 2007 was merely an aberation, nothing more. I'm truly sorry that The FatMan is gone as under him, I always knew that NU would be able to say S C O R E B O A R D!

Gill will absolutely give us a run for the money. I hope that Gill has outstanding results every year, with the exception of one game.

GO BIG RED

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Great to see the real KU fans coming out... it's becoming quite apparent now whose been posing as trolls on this site for the last couple years -- all we have to do is read the posts from this one simple story (over 300 posts now)....

If any of you have a curiosity about any posters -- check their history, that should show you something about them. The LJW will not get rid of them so it's our job to see when someone is just completely BSing us, pretending to be "big fans" (who happen to gripe at everything)...

One fan seriously needs to post a disclaimer before every story from now on, declaring to those who read posts what has been going on with this (& other sites)....

I mean seriously -- Lew Perkins? The guy has done nothing but great things for us!!!!!

Welcome to Lawrence, Turner Gill!!!!! We're proud to have you!!!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!!!

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

I, for one, am starting to get excited about this hire. If the KC Star report is accurate, he at least recognizes the need for experienced assistant coaching. Hopefully there is a mix of fiery, young guys too. I also looked at the BU roster and there's a mix of TX, FL and NY. Hopefully, he can step up the caliber of athlete because of facilities, TV exposure, conference, etc and bring in 3-4 star guys to coach them up. Mmmm, this is good kool-aid. Anyone want some?

I suppose the only downside is that we'll have to send Danny Manning to Lincoln if this works out.

John Pritchett 10 years, 9 months ago

CalliHawk33, why don't you want to let other people have opinions here? It is possible to be a KU fan without being a complete tool of Lew Perkins and the KU admiin.

JHawkins 10 years, 9 months ago

To ditto the hundred before. We are stepping into the unknown just as any new hire. I like him, & any businessman knows you can't pay for someone to exude passion.

Good (hopefully great) hire!

Welcome aboard Coach Gill, Jayhawk Nation eagerly awaits!

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

BannerforKirk, I don't need to be a Nebraska fan to know that the MAC sucks.

Kristospherein 10 years, 9 months ago

My first response to this hire was one of disappointment because of the larger names floating around the past week or so...however, once I started reading up on Gill and started comparing that to what I knew about some of the other coaches, then I knew we made the correct hire. Regarding Fulmer and Tupperville, I live in SEC country and saw tons of games these guys coached. Additionally, I had the "pleasure" (if you want to call it that) of meeting Fulmer and going to the Women's FF a few years ago with him. He was a total ass. This is not the man you want leading your football program. He only did well at Tenn cause it was Tenn and he had so many connections to the program...he would be a fish out of water here at Kansas. Pretty much same goes for Tupperville. Yes, he is a great defensively minded coach and a great recruiter...but there is a reason he's been out of football the last couple of years...he lost his magic at Auburn he once had and was booted. He gave that program the best year (13-0 year) they've had in decades (since 1957). When you get a coach like that (as we had in Man-I-can't-eat-just-one-o) who brings you success you haven't seen in decades, generally a team keeps around that coach for a long time even if they're just mediocre unless there is a serious underlying issue (as we had with Mangino).

Sumlin. Some of the complaints and praises surrounding Sumlin are pretty much the same as Gill. Sumlin is an offensive minded coach, like Gill, and those complaining in that direction obviously were not looking towards Sumlin as the answer. Sumlin obviously knows Texas and could recruit there, but so could Gill. Sumlin has taken a Houston program from nothing and built a good team there. The difference is that Houston is a much easier place to get Texas athletes to go than is Buffalo. I have got to hand it to Gill for getting decent recruits to even consider moving to Buffalo to play football. Have any of you negative nillies out there been to Buffalo in November? Buffalo sucks.

Those pointing to Harbaugh as the answer instead of Gill may have been right..but again, if you ignore his name for a minute, his coaching record is 17-19 at Stanford...which is no better than Gill's at Buffalo (20-30). If you are still not convinced about Gill's record...take a look at their record the five seasons before Gill got there: 2-10,1-10, 2-9, 1-11, 1-11 Alright, back to Harbaugh. Yes, he had success at San Diego (he recruited Josh Johnson of TB Bucs familiarity) but SD is a member of the FCS...which is totally different than Division I football. And as has been stated already, how long do you think it will be before Harbaugh eventually jumps over to Michigan after Rodriguez runs it into the ground (wait, already there)?

And for the other names out there, they bigger question marks than Gill. I'm putting my full support behind Gill because it sounds like he's not only going to be a terrific coach but is also a terrific person.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBigRed1- You should try reading the entire rule book next time. There's plenty of time, since next football season is a ways away, and your school doesn't actually participate in basketball.

76-39 seemed like a basketball score, didn't it?

GoBigRed1 10 years, 9 months ago

Live in the past, WHO HOO You go rockemchalkemrobots.

S C O R E B O A R D

Perhaps your little mind can figure out what that means.

Here's a hint, NU beat FatMan and your 'tethic little Squaks

go big red

Rivethead 10 years, 9 months ago

FACT:

We just hired Nebraska's sloppy seconds.

Not once, but twice they pass over Turner Gill for the head coaching position. If that's not a red flag, I don't know what is.

But the guy did bring 10 Texas players to Canada.....and that's impressive.

Still, I was hoping for more. Turner Gill has accomplished the easiest thing in college football....to go from worst to a little success (when you're worst, you can't get any lower). To go from somewhat respectable to consistent BCS conference title contender is a MUCH harder task.

Lew rolled the dice. Only time will tell if we win.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBigRed1- You do realize that even the most recent game was in the past. If I'm living in the past, the Husker Nation talking about all their past national titles and conference championships must be my neighbors. I should move, this neighborhood smells funny.

BTW- Your moniker is awesome. It reminds me of the ESPN commercial with the Nebraska fan trying to come up with a license plate that was not taken. He should have just added a number to one that was already taken...like you must have done.

jayhawk2062 10 years, 9 months ago

All of this boils down to the following things:

Turner Gill was certainly not my first choice for this job.

Lew shouldn't be fired for this hire, he should be fired for ruining Coach Mangino's career and alienating recruits for how he handled the coaching change.

Turner Gill will get my support because I love KU athletics. Even though I would have hired someone else. I'm sure a lot of people wanted a better coach after Larry Brown left and we got Coach Williams.

One thing I do know is that not a lot of people like Lew Perkins. But if we're being truthful, his job isn't to win a popularity contest. His job is to do the necessary things to move all of our sports ahead towards championships. I think he is doing that. It will be a few years before we see if he's swung and missed or hit a home run with this hire.

We probably got Coach Gill for a bargain basement price. We could have doubled his salary from Buffalo and we would only be paying him a million and change.

I would like to thank Coach Mangino for everything he did for us and Turner should be thanking him too. The cubbard has a lot more in it and the program is way better than when Coach Mangino took over.

Go HAWKS!

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

5-7 is Gill's record after a championship.

Mangino orange bowl is better than a MAC championship (by FAR). Last year had a bowl game. This year he went 5-7.

With this standard, we would have fired Gill for a 5-7 record.

TG as the coach is just not what we expected when we were looking for a coach.

Additionally as a head coach, he played one game against a top 25 team --- one game and lost by 20 (Pitt).

If you look at MM and harbough's loses most are against quality opponents (I didn't say all). Clearly TG has not coached against top tier universities.

I say if he doesn't get 8 wins in a soft season next year, we go looking again.

redbull38 10 years, 9 months ago

If you don't give a damn if the players get treated with respect or not then Mangino is your man. I would expect better from KU. You should too.

redbull38 10 years, 9 months ago

leikness,

You could not be more wrong. Gill is an incredible upgrade in leadership.

Closing the season losing the last 7 means Mangino had lost the team.

CougIsLJW 10 years, 9 months ago

redbull38, or maybe a lot of kids should consider playing intramurals.

kansas25 10 years, 9 months ago

You can't look at overall records when looking at how good a coach is. He took a Buffalo program that was terrible and in three years led them to a bowl game. Look at Bill Snyder's first two years at K-State, a total of 5 wins. Someone help me, what did he do after that? That's just one example. And as for Harbaugh, he was in the talks of going to Notre Dame...yeah I'm thinking he wouldn't come to Kansas no offense. I bet this guy recruits well, and KU football will be a winning program as soon as...next season.

Mkultra 10 years, 9 months ago

This a TERRIBLE choice for Kansas Football. 20-30 in the MAC?!? An no this has nothing to do with race (which the supporters keep bringing up) I could care less what color his skin is it could be any color of the rainbow or any other color or even he could be the invisible man or an alien or a supercomputer I do not care. But 20-30 in the MAC?!? This will set Kansas Football back for years we will be in perpetual rebuilding mode. This choice is laughable. The only hope is there has been no official announcement yet. Ridiculous choice what good is being able to recruit if you can't win games? The over/under on Gills number of wins next year is set at 4 place your bets now!

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Kansas25 You cant go off of wins and losses?

Oh okay...so now that we have TG, we don't need to be worried about winning, because it just doesn't matter anymore.

Mangino had a winning record after 8 years, only coach in KU history with that fact. Only one of 2 coaches with more than 50 wins.

If you were getting rid of MM, you needed an upgrade. This isn't necessarily an upgrade, it's a question mark.

GoBigRed1 10 years, 9 months ago

rockchalkDOLT:

Um, let's see, you go back 4 years (or whatever) and try to throw scoreboard at me. I correct you as we have scoreboard for whatever that is worth and then you tell me that I am living in the past.

OK, yup, right, whatever. Bottom line is that KU sucks. Always has but now, maybe just maybe you have a chance for your pathetic little program to climb out of the cellar where it belongs and yet you are a whiney little b*tch about Gill being your new HC.

You and your pathetic little program don't deserve him.

jhokfan 10 years, 9 months ago

gobigred:

What's with all the hissy fits? I thought your style was throwing rocks and running away. Now go change your pullups and come back with another witty fat coach joke.

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

If rumors are true the O cord he brings with him is Chuck Long and D cord is Mark Turbush. Both head coaches now, and thats some great experience there and some wow factor too. This looks better and better all the time.

Just announce it Lew make it official and shut up all the nay sayers.

Mike Tackett 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow. So may fools, so little time. How many airheads are out there that still think LP hired BS and MM? He may have had some great hires, but they weren't at KU, unless you count his family memebers. Outside of basketball KU is at the bottom of the Big 12 in nearly everything. We need to get it in LP's contract that he's gone unless we win the Big 12 North in the next three years. It is his job to hire a winner, not a nice guy. I'm sure TG is a great guy, but is he even a good football coach. Saying he can recruit in TX is not a fact. It was a fact he could do well in TX while at NU, may not translate to KU. I thin 4-8 would be a very good year for KU next year. Keep up the good work LP. Looks like a PC choice, by a PC driven university. We don't want to educate you, just mind numbed robots for the state.

rockytx 10 years, 9 months ago

6 bowl games in 109 years & a track around the football field does not make KU some big-time program. Gill is about to sign Jordan Leslie out of Houston who is a whole lot better than Walker who Mangino signed

TRUEHEART 10 years, 9 months ago

Okay. Okay. Everyone had their own personal wish list and their favorite coaching candidate. Your favorite is not coming - and outside of your own mind probably never was a legitimate candidate in the first place - most of those discussed and lobbied for weren't. NOW, if your favorite coach isn't Turner Gill you are not a KU fan and supporter.

GoBigRed1 10 years, 9 months ago

You do realize that the whole Gill thing was carefully orchestrated by Osborne and Pelini don't you?

Gill will do just as he is told as he wants to be NU's head coach still. He understands that this is a step up for him and that when Pelini gets axed, he will be in line for the position that he is truly deserving of.

Yup, his strings will be pulled by Osborne and Pelini (to a much lesser degree).

That is your new Head Coach.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

calihawk333 says: "destined to go if we kept fatty"

CHawk quite calling Mad Mark heavy, he was terminated because he was two faced, dr. jeykall lunatic behind closed doors, couldn't control his anger and a loser, not because he was fat.

pick on mad mark but not because of his weight pls.

qrex 10 years, 9 months ago

Trueheart,

Yes, we will support Coach Gill, as KU HC, just as we did Coach Allen and Coach Valesente. Hopefully, it be similar to when we hired an assistant coach because we couldn't lure a prominent head coach to take over the basketball team. But, it smells like Lew was trying to save a few bucks.

Matt Hothan 10 years, 9 months ago

Nebraska...you are not the program that you once were, you are not a dream job. Gill is a great pick fo KU...We will be beating you on a regular basis....On a different note...Lets see if the bonehead students show this coach some respect..Like no chant after the kickoff and no "Home fo the Chiefs' after the National athem. That is classless KU tudents...Some some pride in your school.....

Wildhawk2198 10 years, 9 months ago

Give me the question marks any day!!! Coach Gill is a quality individual! Roy Williams was unknown. Everyone was worried about Bill Self when he came in. Maningo had 1 great season and everyone wants to put him in the history books as one of the best. Let's don't forget we didn't play Texas or OU that season and we lose to Missouri to go to the Big XII Championship. We had a great team and a GREAT DEFENSE that year. We are still a basketball school as we should be. MM did some good things and because of his success KU was able to update their facilities. But he was never going to take us to the next level. MM was not a proven coach when he took the KU job. He hadn't even been a head coach. Coach Gill has proven that he can improve a program and in a short period of time. The fact that Buffalo is wishing him well speaks volumes about his character. Coach Gill is going to do well as long as the Jayhawk Nation gets behind him and supports him 100%. Good Luck to Coach Gill and the 2010 Jayhawks!!!

Rock, Chalk, Jayhawks... GO KU!!!

Dan Harris 10 years, 9 months ago

Welcome Coach Gill! While I believe their "might" have been better choices out their as coaches(Sumlin, Holtz , Tuberville) I think that Gill handsdown is the best choice For KU. Bringing in Long and Torbush ,along with Gills recruiting from Texas makes this a walkoff GRAND SLAM!!! Thanks Lew, keep up the good work! Cant wait till next year RCJH!!!!

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 9 months ago

big red you are adorable. yes our football program is bad. thats like us saying your basketball program is atrocious; its common knowledge. at least were national championship contenders at something, more than you can say.

qrex 10 years, 9 months ago

Even as a Mangino supporter, I acknowledge MM was a .500 coach, and that's all he was going to be. His overall record was near .500; if you disregard his best and worst seasons, his record was near .500. To those of us who remembered the Toilet Bowl days, it represented major progress and stability. But MM is gone, so it doesn't matter. It also doesn't matter who the other candidates were or were not. It's Coach Gill's team now and, hopefully, he will take us to the next level and be a contender for the conference title each year.

babyjay1 10 years, 9 months ago

BigRed - you are a funny person.... still hanging around here! Maybe KU fans are more fun to be around than NU fans? Not sure what your motivation is to keep showing up here! Don't think Gill will be heading to Neb anytime soon, except, of course, to play AGAINST you all. NU screwed up by not hiring him - your loss, our gain. You can hang around here all you want but you may end up realizing that Jayhawk Nation is much better than being a hukster (oh sorry, Husker...)!

jhokfan 10 years, 9 months ago

Take it easy on gobigred, he's had a tough go.

First they lose the title game by 1 point. OUCH! Then Sue doesn't win the Heisman. Now we hire his coach.

Rough week for corndog nation.

rockchalkchampionship 10 years, 9 months ago

In Gill's 4 seasons at Buffalo, he lost 10, 7, 6 and 7 games each season, respectively. Be prepared for plenty of losses in Lawrence.

On another note, in Tuberville's last 5 seasons at Auburn (in a REAL conference), his losses were 0, 3, 2, 4 and 7.

Hmmm...thanks a lot Lew. If you guys want to go 4-8 (2-6 in the Big 12) every year, you got your man!

TRUEHEART 10 years, 9 months ago

qrex Good comment. Those of us who sat through every game during Valesente's tenure know what it takes to be a loyal fan. I made everyone of them. That is a painful memory. On the way home from a game, one of my kids asked me "can we go to a game where we win?"

Dan Harris 10 years, 9 months ago

To all you so called KU fans that think this is a horrible hire, I can't wait until you start trying to jump back on the bandwagon when we are competing for the North in the Big 12. It will be fun kicking your sorry asses off ! Give Gill a chance and I think you will be cheering for him soon enough.

nckhwk 10 years, 9 months ago

"Boo...BOO THIS MAN...BOO" Gill Is crap.

waywardJay 10 years, 9 months ago

So... lemme get this straight... People are suggesting that Mark Mangino's staff of Warriner and Miller/ Bowen.... has more coaching talent than the Gill/ Torbush/ Long staff......

Torbush was a former ACC head coach. Long at San Diego State.......

To my knowledge, warriner/bowen/miller have exactly 0 games as head coaches.....

I would say that we are getting a significant upgrade, and perhaps two coaches that could be EXPECTING short stints as Assistant Coaches..... IE returning to head coaching.....

We face the North, Baylor, Oklahoma State and AM.... for two seasons before we have to step up in weight class ( this is not talking ill of the non-oklahoma,texas, and tech schools...it's merely stating a fact.... They are lightyears ahead of everyone erlse right now )

I can see us making a nice run the next two years.... hopefully building upon the charisma of this great coach..... this could be a perfect hiring.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 9 months ago

big red, why would you assume he would want to coach at NU? he wont even send his daughter to go to school there, and its where he went LOL

Pacer 10 years, 9 months ago

Good move for KU to hire Gill. However, this should be the first step in overhauling what cearly is an athletic department run amock. There are a number of other steps that KU should implement to make sure that the athletic department is reigned in and is not operating as a loose cannon. Here are a few things that the university should do as quickly as possible:

  1. The university's administration needs to appoint a blue-ribbon task force (comprised of people who are not affiliated with the athletic department) that will report back to the higher ups on current management practices by Lew Perkins and Co. The task force should provide the administration with recommendation for how the athletic department can be better managed and also how to make sure that it doesn't break spiral out of control again.

  2. The university should have an independent auditor take a look at the so-called "revenue" sports at KU. How much are the KU men's football and basketball teams spending and how much are they bringing in for the university? How many resources are going to these two programs compared to the other KU athletic programs? How much scholarship money do these two programs have compared to the rest of KU's sports?

  3. From now on, at least two or three faculty members from KU should attend every KU football and men's basketball practice and report their independent observations to the university's adminisration. They should also log the amount of time that players are being required to practice. Per NCAA rules, coaches are limited to the amount of time that players can focus on their sport. It seems all too often that this is being ignored.

These are just a few things that the university can do rather quickly to shore up the athletic department. We'll see if it's willing to take the appropriate steps to do what's sorely needed.

This situation bears watching.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Pacer Are you kidding? First, a "blue-ribbon" committee, please so they can run around and give out first place ribbons. Please that is so dumb, we'd be laughed out of the Big 12. Second, I'm an auditor and I think that auditing would provide 0 value to this. Third, every program in America requires more than 20 hours of time. It just is how much time is "organized", if they aren't putting in 50 hours for this, than they should go cry home to their mommies. Please that's what got MM in trouble is his losses, not the way he acted. The way he acted just gave them an excuse to have him out. Why do you think the report was never issued. I think that maybe you should have the marching band not scholarshipped that would increase revenue, the only reason anyone watches them is to see the football game. There are sports that are revenue generating and there are clearly things that are not revenue generating (clearly the number of scholarships given to the marching band is a crime across all universities), especially without football there would be 0 scholarships for those student-marchers. Finally, faculty involved with sports, now you truly are dreaming and who really cares if they are involved.

duanep5ku 10 years, 9 months ago

I have to laugh at all the post about KU loses this season in big 12 play. Did you watch the entire games or did you leave early. If you want to bring up that KU could have lost all their games in big 12 play "Yes maybe your right but if your using that logic to justify the season that turned bad. Then you need to also thank about what if " KU during the losing streak, What if the player's did not fumble the ball or throw all the interceptions during the losing streak, or all the drop passes by our receivers in the open field were caught. last time I checked MM could only coach the team from the side lines. MM was not the one on the field dropping the ball or throwing Interception. I also want to remind everyone Todd was playing bad for whatever reason, That was not MM fault and I"m not sure if we had a better option. I also think it would be nice if you remember MM was supporting Todd during the losing streak 'he did not throw the kid under the bus. I'm not to sure but does that sound like a bad man? Turner" I hope you have success here if you come to Kansas. good luck,

sactownhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

duane. no no no and no. Reesing was hurt the entire losing streak and we heard nothing about it until REESING said it himself. Yes mangino can't play the on field, but he cant get his players playing to the best of their ability, which he clearly didn't. Oh and fumbles? that is absolutely coaching, watch briscoe and how he carried the ball when he fumbled, those kinds of fundamentals are what coaches need to take care of, mangino didnt. Mangino is gone so get over it.

I am super excited for the Gill era to begin, looking at players messages they are extremely more happy to play for Gill then Mangino, when players respect their coach, they are more willing to take criticism and learn. that makes a better team.

Maybe it was already said but according to rivals, we also landed the "top juco dual threat quarterback" today not bad for not even being introduced as coach yet

focojayhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

42, Bandwagon you say?? Well, I am on it now, in the next couple days when this is all over I have a feeling we are going to have something special. The truth is whether we do or not TG is our coach now. It is a done deal, let's back him and get excited for next season!! ROCK CHALK!

GBR, i enjoy your comments. You remind me much of the husker fans where I live, however, there are good ones out here too. I will give you credit though. I would never in a hundred years take time out of my day to log onto other team message boards to post like you do. Way to go the extra mile!!

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

nothing is guaranteed yet from my perch, great hire.

duanep you are correct we almost won all sorts of games.

call me silly yet in some ways that hurt more than when we used to get really beat, especially when many of them were coaching, play calling and motivational errors.

Welcome Mr. Gill, let's get after it.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

I admire the way, the A Dept. hosed the media, thurs. whispering to them JH is the man, just don't release any news until sunday, after Heisman, (in effort to find who to trust in media) and then a bunch of the media, KC Radio, released the 'certain JH news' on Friday, showing they can't be trusted with imposed deadlines.

Then the real coach, LP wanted all along come to bear.... great work -

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBigREd, glad you are here so we have someone to taunt when we beat the pants off you again.

gratefulhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

would-of, could-of,should-of, damm bunch of bed wetters....move forward, ROCK CHALK!

duanep5ku 10 years, 9 months ago

Added note" I have been a KU fan for a long time even dating back to the day's when KU did not win one game in the season and the program was considered to be one of the nations worst programs in football. So I've lived through those painful years of KU football. To the longtime suffering KU fans who remember those days with me this 5 win season does not look to bad because in those days that total wins would having taken 3 or 4 years to achieve. I wish MM the best of luck in the future because like the man or not he did give the KU fans some better years recently, I know we can remember the NU beating a few years ago and last years thrilling MU win. Those wins will live on in my memory, So thank you MM. I love KU sports period So I will be supporting who ever we hire and win or lose. I'll be supporting The program

roc_chalk_a_fella 10 years, 9 months ago

Welcome to KU, coach Gill!

If you're reading this, there's a lot of people out there that are happy about the hire!

Derek Bowman 10 years, 9 months ago

It is so enlightening to read all these "Gill-Bashing" posts!!! I learn so much about WHO'S good for KU, who's NOT good for KU, etc etc. CLEARLY you all have been involved in his previous football programs and have intimate knowledge of how he coaches and how he recruits.

You must have all been involved with the interview process and the contract negotiations as well. I can see why YOUR opinions of the man and his abilities should trump someone like Tom Osborne's opinion because YOU know so much more about football then HE ever would.

Seriously folks, you embarrass yourselves with all this so-called "knowledge". Take a moment and think about this......regardless of what you think of Lew, the man put his time and effort into finding the best coach he could. Anyone who thinks he doesn't want a winner is laughable. I don't feel one way or the other about LEW....but it is his JOB to find the best coach he can. He knows HIS job is effected by these decisions so he's gonna do what he feels is right.

Do THIS for yourself....and for your school- Root like hell for the program and since the decision's been made, just TRY to support Turner. Every quote I've ever read from people who KNOW how good a coach and recruiter he is has been nothing but complimentary. They ALL say KU has made a terrific hire.....so give him a chance to do his thing before you decide "it's the worst hire in the history of KU" (what a stupid thing to say).

Take a deep breath, enjoy some basketball and let the man work. That's all YOU could ask of people critiqing YOUR job!!!

Rod Huffman 10 years, 9 months ago

Not sure if this is a good or bad hire, but after seeing what is happening in Denver with the Broncos new coach. I say we give Coach Gill a chance. As a lifelong Broncos fan I was not in favor the McDaniels hire, but am happy with it now. Maybe we get the same result with Gill? Wins baby wins. I know they are professional and this is college, but the scenerio is the same. Rock Chalk Jayhawk Go Ku!!!

100 10 years, 9 months ago

400 comments!!!!!

I don't think a basketball story has had even 300!!!!

Football is officially more alive here in the Free State than when "History Awaited"...

Rock Chalk, Coach Gill!!!

100 10 years, 9 months ago

Watch the YouTube Clip "Speechless, MAC championship" --

THIS is the kind of guy we want representing Kansas football!!!!

This guy will be able to bring in so many 4 & 5 star recruits!!!!!

Nebraska will be dying to steal Coach Gill from us, but they're already locked into Coach Pelini for the next 30 years!!!!

Rock Chalk!!!!

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

GoBIG Red, get off our posts, and go visit Mizzery blogs as I hear they are leaving for the Big 10 (11) anyway, so say goodbye to them. We're adding Creighton so you won't get lost going to that home & home.

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

Love Gill saying beat MU recruit win B.12 recruit win bowl game recurit and he didn't even acknowledge our other rival up river on the Kaw.....

ah ha ah ha ah ha....don't even recognize State purple power, love it....

HCGill we have two rivals or used to but you are right, don't even recognize them....

RCJHKU

KU 10 years, 9 months ago

lighthawk.......Nebraskans HATE K-State......maybe worse than KU fans do. They like to consider themselves the oldest and greatest fan-base in the universe and despise the Johnny-Come-Lately in Manhattan. I'm sure it will make Gill happy to beat the Wildcats....but not quite as much as beating MU.

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