Saturday, December 5, 2009

Mangino’s words just overkill


Mark Mangino’s persistent efforts to create an aura of martyrdom have included a number of dubious remarks. For me the ex-Kansas football coach sawed off a limb of verbal overkill when he fiercely cited one of his codes of conduct — better to die on your feet than exist on your knees.

Hell, Mark, this is college football, not Revelation and Armageddon — though it’s going to take KU a long, long time to overcome the embarrassing turmoil of late.

Pungent quotes appropriate for a given situation are worth pondering. Like Gen. Anthony McAuliffe’s “Nuts!” to the Germans at Bastogne; Oliver Perry’s “We have met the enemy and they are ours”; “Remember the Maine!”; “Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes”; “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!”; “We have not begun to fight”; “You may fire when ready, Gridley!”; Winston Churchill’s post-Dunkirk spine-tingler about fighting any Kraut invaders “on the beaches, in the streets, on the landing grounds, in the fields ... we shall NEVER surrender ... “

But the foregoing verbiage factored in major situations of crisis, not some non-essential football program that’s had its moments of abuse and mismanagement. Lordy, Mark, nobody sought to fatally knock you off your feet. Or force you to bow your head and crawl to the lavish football empire the school created on your behalf. KU’s never been THAT inhumane. Why try to embarrass it as such? You came off darn well.

Many questions about this donnybrook never will be answered, like the money involved, the hush-hush agreements about who did what and with which to whom. That’s best for the troubled Mangino, and for KU as it strives to heal image wounds and enjoy better days. Stuff will leak out, as always, but without official sanction. Let’s hope the witch hunt is ending.

It’s easy to see why Mangino coveted his high-profile status, his pay and benefits and his plush facilities. But even with all the pro and con talk, the ruptures in relationships around the athletic department and throughout the Jayhawk Nation, and the fact the new chancellor must preside over a massive program of repair, there never was the prospect that Mangino would have to bow down and grovel on his knees. At $2.3 million a year, KU was at least a lucrative torture chamber.

Bottom line, somebody on The Hill decided on the Larry the Cable Guy’s mandate: “Git ’er done.” The sooner the better. What happened as soon as it did is definitely better for both KU and Mangino.

Now, can KU next fall get good enough to beat Nebraska, Kansas State, Colorado, Iowa State and Missouri? All of them would be favored right now. Huge task for the new guy.

l The two-point football safety has not been kind to the Jayhawks against Missouri. There was the one that paved the way to the loss to Missouri Saturday. Up to then, the series’ most infamous two-pointer went against KU on Dec. 1, 1956, at MU. The score was tied 13-all and Kansas was deep, deep in its own territory, time running out. Confused coach Chuck Mather thought his team was on the 20-yard-line and called a clock-draining statue of liberty effort. Bobby Robinson was tackled in the end zone by Chuck Mehrer. You think the alumni groaned this year? Should’ve heard that uproar.

But there was at least one game when MU scored a safety and KU prevailed — a 7-2 Jayhawk victory in ’71.

Saturday’s 41-39 setback was horribly painful because so many terrific KU seniors had to choke it down. They deserved so much, much better.


CaramelMacchMan 10 years, 4 months ago

of subject: "if Alabama and Florida goes in overtime or two... there will be discussion about Alabama and Florida again in National Title game." - Kirk Herbstret.

Are you kidding me? Was Herbstret under influence when he said that? unreal!

Ignorant_Yokel 10 years, 4 months ago

Aside from the obvious fact that Mangino dropped that Zapata quote a full week ago...

War of 1812 reference... "donnybrook"... Mangino's salary was "$3 million a year"... account of 1956 KU-MU game...


SC0VILLE 10 years, 4 months ago

"For me the ex-Kansas football coach sawed off a limb of verbal overkill"

I think Mayer just pinched off a log of written excrement with this column.

Cmill1221 10 years, 4 months ago

KSA_21_3503. you may noy like him but come on that is harsh. That's just not right.

mahkmood 10 years, 4 months ago

This article sucks Mayer. "Lordy, Mark, nobody sought to fatally knock you off your feet". Uhhh... Perkins and whoever was backing him did just that - figuratively - and Mangino's statement "better to die on your feet than exist on your knees" was obviously not literal, but figurative as well. Couldn't figure that out Mayer???

PERKINS and KU leaked all this crap to the media, which should NEVER have happened. The "abusive treatment" issues should have been addressed privately. They were made public intentionally and NOT by Mangino. Isn't it interesting that Perkins is suddenly private when it comes to his spineless PAY-OFF. Perkins should be fired. HE embarrassed the football program... so he could get his man. It's all about PERKINS and HIS legacy, and HIS personal issues with power and control.

And Mayer, don't try to make readers feel sorry for the seniors. As if Mangino spoiled their season. Mangino put this team in position to win nearly every game this season (minus UT & OU), but Reesing and Meier and Briscoe fumbled those games away. Mangino can't play the game for the players. The players gave it away with poor performance. Maybe you should be writing about how the Reesing/Meier/Briscoe turnover tandem along with key penalties by UNDISCIPLINED players cost Mangino a job.

If you want to complain about Mangino's inability to land better recruits, then fine, but don't entice people to feel sorry for players that didn't get the job done this year. All KU football fans have enjoyed Reesing/Meier/Briscoe/Sharp, but to be honest, THOSE guys CHOKED this season with too many turnovers and drops. How is that Mangino's fault?

The MU safety - if you watched the replay - was Reesing's fault because he didn't read the block. If he would have gone to his blocker's right instead of directly into the defender he would have ran at least 5 yards, probably 10. Mangino can't make plays, he can only design them. Again, if you're blaming Mangino for not putting guys on the field that CAN make plays, then you probably have an argument (recruiting). But, we all know Reesing CAN make plays but had a down year.

Mangino probably is an authoritative jerk at times. It's an unfortunate reality of effective coaching. If he crossed any lines, which he probably did, that should have been addressed behind locked doors. Shame on you Mayer for writing such a lame and slanted article against Mangino - not the greatest coach on the planet, but a guy who did so much good work in taking a Terry Allen created corpse to a team that sold-out Memorial Stadium many times. I'm getting out some toilet paper to wipe away the excrement you've spread.

IBRONNIEB 10 years, 4 months ago

Time to head out to pasture, Mayer. No one wants to read this. And silly me,I just wasted five minutes of my time, doing so.

Mangino_Maniac 10 years, 4 months ago

"Many questions about this donnybrook never will be answered, like the money involved, the hush-hush agreements about who did what and with which to whom..."

Why? Why will/should they never be answered? No one hesitated announcing to the world an investigation was underway, so why the sudden concern about 'what is best for the university' and what should be kept quiet?? This entire thing is so shady, and I strongly question if the adminstration was thinking about what is best for the university in the way it handle the situation.

It is time to complete the story and share all of the details.


Sincerely, KU Graduate of '90 (and one who has suspended annual donations to the university)

Mike Cohen 10 years, 4 months ago

Mahkmood hit the nail on the head. I've read more logical arguements on the back of cereal boxes than this column. Mangino was railroaded, period. If there had been enough evidence to fire Mangino with cause, Lew would not be doing his job by allowing Mark to resign with a settlement. Yet from the way this was all played out in public, Mangino wasn't left with any other recourse but to walk away. Why would anyone want to work for an AD like Perkins when you know the guy is just looking for a reason to fire you?

JHWKNMIZRY 10 years, 4 months ago

This will be the most transparent University program in America starting NOW-------------Now----------------now-------------now.

We can't have it both ways. They should have kept the "internal" investigation internal, rather than spewing it all over the public forum. If Mangino needed to be fired they should have waited until after the season to do it and THEN explained their actions. It wasn't fair to him , the team , or the KU the way it was handled.

bossman1962 10 years, 4 months ago

mayer it is time for you to go. this column i think signifies the reason you should be fired. you did exactly what mangino was accused of except you work for a belittled him and why are you wanting ti keep this thing going ? its over idiot !!! move on enough has been said, recruits have seen enough, and i for one am sick of it all !!!!! please LJW, get rid of this babbling moron and spare us columns where he accuses everyone else of something and he does the same thing. Or put Mayer and Jason Whitlock in an MMA bout against George St. Pierre and B.J. Penn. Then we could see "The white of their eyes" !!!

Blake Post 10 years, 4 months ago

For the first time, I think I agree with all of the above posts. The Missouri and KSUcks people posing as Jayhawks in hopes of getting rid of our coaches must have left for the time being.

My interest in observing X feels the same as it did when Paul Pierce started here.

I hope Texas clobbers nebrasska today, as they are pretenders, their coach chews gum with his mouth open all of the time like a true hayseed idiot, and they must die.
They have a highly rated defense, but look at the north. They played some mediocre teams, missouri in the rain, KU in its funk. House of cards. Hong Kong Suey didn't dominate us. Funny how a school can exist on name only. Winning the North this year was like winning the valley. Which makes it a dam shame we couldn't bring KU of 05, 07, or 08 to play this schedule. It would have been absolute domination. The only loss would likely have been texas... but I would like KUs chances okay.

Now when are they going to ever fix the stinking schedule? It was great for us in Reesing's soph year, but seriously, OU, UT and TT in the same year? It should be more like OU, TT, Baylor for two years and then UT, OSU and A&M the other two. That would make it more on par with other north teams.

As for this year, perhaps playing Baylor would have resulted in a win, maybe A&M before they got their game fixed.

Speaking of A&M, I think Nolan Cromwell is the O Coordinater there. Let's see. Fabulous wishbone QB, Phenomenal NFL career at safety, coached with the Packers, Seahawks, and A&M... am I missing anything? Should one of the KU greats of all time be our next coach?

kc_wildfire 10 years, 4 months ago

I am sure Perkins had more than enough evidence to fire Mangino with cause.

However, firing Mangino would allow the coach to use a clause in his contract to dispute the firing and he would have 21 days to file such a claim. Thus not allowing the University to move on, hire a new head coach and start recruiting for next year and beyond, All of the current recruits would be in limbo for nearly another month until the situation was finally resolved.

Perkins, as he should have, put the University, the football program and even Mangino, first. He gave Mangino a nice chunk of cash and a sealed record of any wrong doings. Now everyone can move on and begin to look ahead.

Robert Brock 10 years, 4 months ago

The king is dead. Long live the king! I think we should use all our energies to find a new coach and visualize a successful future for KU football.

Cimhawk 10 years, 4 months ago

LJW just can't let it gooooooo....and you Mayer are a pompous A**!!! Go find some real news...........better yet.........retire!!!

Steve Brown 10 years, 4 months ago

KCWildfile: for those of us that agree with your 1st sentence premise, given the tanglements in your 2nd paragraph, yes, it is less messy and more timely to settle, pay hush money and get it over with, let's all move on, however . . . . . .yet if your neighbor was well liked, had best back yard BBQ and gave most halloween candy and took the kids camping every summer, yet was found to be abusing the 13 yr olds. (don't get mad at me, read your 1st sentence) then you could:

  1. Pay him and have him leave town & seal the documents.
  2. Or, follow the messy time consuming process and see that he may get counselling help and not do it again at another place and protect other kids.

I know tough call. I'm not bright enough to know if your 3rd paragraph is right or not. Usually cover ups that attempt to save time & reputations do not in the long run.

LJW: keep after the cover up, what did he know and when did he know it. Did the chancellor approve the buy out with more money to Mark if he gave up due process? Was just one side or both sides protected by the hush monies? questons abound.

crimsonblueblood 10 years, 4 months ago

I enjoyed the article. I am really curious how old all of the posters are that had such vitriol toward this article.

I was very appreciative of what Mangino did at KU. At the same time, I agreed with the decision to ask him to resign. 1-7 just can't be tolerated. To use a Mangino mantra, accepting a 1-7 season would be living on your knees (something I learned about Mangino from this article).

I haven't appreciated how Mangino is handling his ouster. He knows that this is a business and it isn't personal. Mangino is being way too self indulgant and I agree with Mayer's comments in the article.

Doucher 10 years, 4 months ago

I'm fond of this little gem from Mangino;

"I'd rather die at the buffet, than live on salads"

Bill Kackley 10 years, 4 months ago

Doucher you are an ass. Meyer I have defended you in the past but this article is so bad I have to conclude with many others that you should retire PERMANETLY

OKChalkJHawk 10 years, 4 months ago

There exists a fog in Lawrence and it's not at Allen fieldhouse. This whole mess was down right embarassing. Let's take a poll and see how many think Lew Perkins should keep his job.

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 4 months ago

Opinions are one thing but facts are quite another.

Mangino did NOT make 3 mil a year. Get it right Mayer! He made 2.3 mil with retention yearly bonus of 300 grand.

drewdun 10 years, 4 months ago

Here's a tip to the people that hate the Mayer columns and complain about them every single time one's published: DON'T CLICK ON THE LINK. Remind me again, what did you pay to read this article? Oh, that's right, SQUAT.

I actually sort of like Mayer's columns and hearing about long forgotten games from yesteryear. I would've probably never heard about the 1956 game had Mayer not penned this. How the heck does a coach not know where the ball's at though? What a goof.

As for the "Mangino was railroaded" conspiracy theorists, a few points: maybe you're right, but guess what? If the coach at EASTERN MICHIGAN loses seven (7) conference games and finishes dead last in his division in YEAR EIGHT (8) of his tenure, he'd be fired. And quit acting like MM is some sort of martyr sacrificed at Lew's altar. As Mayer points out, he got paid, quite handsomely I might add, for being "railroaded."

KUBlue0809 10 years, 4 months ago

Lew should definitely keep his job. Lets not forget that it is Kansas Athletics Incorporated, and every athletic directors job is to make as much money as possible. Lew is a business man, and a damn good one. KU has turned into one of the most profitable athletic programs in the Big XII, our facilities are being upgraded, teams are on the rise, and for the long run, I'm trusting Lew with the football head coaching job. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

minnhawk84 10 years, 4 months ago

Mayer: I admire your guts for using the word "Krauts" in reference to the German people. As WWII historian, I often use the word in reference to them, and am amazed when the PC crowd attempts to correct my reference; I figure if my dad called 'em Krauts when he and his generation had to go over and fight them(like their fathers had to fight the Huns) , they deserve the nickname for all time.

And oh yeah, keep being the "dinosaur writer" these kids hate so much; the old alumni crowd appreciates your stories and references.

liver42 10 years, 4 months ago

Ditto mahkmood. Back to being just a basketball school...and Lew's personal kicking grounds.

Xavier4three 10 years, 4 months ago

I never read articles posted by Mayer....

But the replies ALWAYS make for a good laugh.

And I dont think Lew Perkins "leaked" this investigation to the press.


A leak is a small bit of info usually given to the press by an anonymous individual. Lew Perkins just out right opened the flood gates. There was no leak.

hcpalmer 10 years, 4 months ago

This is a good piece, Bill. I don't disagree except that I believe that Perkins has always wanted to 'knock Mangino off his feet” and finally got it done by sandbagging him.

A really good CEO would have confronted someone as productive as Coach after the first report of misconduct and said something like, “Gee, Mark, you've got a problem here with anger management. We really like what your doing and want to keep you around, but you'll have to agree to ongoing therapy…as a part of structuring your new contract. And no more bad conduct, please, or we'll terminate.”

So, Perkins is a problem as well. He has bullied his way around, especially in his treatment of former athletes/letter winners, traditionally loyal fans (small potatoes contributors because they are not rich). You well know he operates under the radar and has not been open with the press since he came to Lawrence.

If Coach Mangino was a bully, he's been out-bullied by Perkins and his East Coast Elfs—Marchiony being the 'chief elf'. Do you really believe they love The University of Kansas? I don't.

Perkins is a smart guy and was able to identify KU as a potential source of significant personal income. No one will argue that he isn't a money man, but don't forget, every dollar he raises translates to more in his pocket.

Thanks, by the way, to the JW for getting his compensation package in print. But I wonder, do you really know everything?

bad_dog 10 years, 4 months ago

kcwildfire, if Mangino was terminated for cause, as I understand it, the issue on appeal would solely be his future compensation. That is what is appealed after the 21 day period-not whether his employment would be reinstated. That issue ends with the termination-only the future compensation alleged due under the contract is at stake in the appeal.

drewdun 10 years, 4 months ago

hcpalmer wrote:

"A really good CEO would have confronted someone as productive as Coach"

No offense here, but is 1-7 considered "productive?"

grandpa 10 years, 4 months ago

As to all of the above, I am thinking positive towards next year. One thing that developed in late season was the KU offensive line. The coaches struggled all year to develope a strong offensive line. Reesing had a lot of time to throw the ball in both the Texas game and the MU game. He did not perform as awell as the Texas , Texas A& M. ,Texas Tech quarterback but he did have time. I think we will have a good, fresh, head coach and hopefully an imaginative offensive cordinator. Briscoe has left but we are going to have some good receivers remaining to train along with prospective running backs. I do not think any worthwhile players will be leaving the program. Of most importance is developing a very good defense, especially in the secondary. Our secondary was picked apart during the year by good quarterbacks and their coachesl.

Tricky Gnosis 10 years, 4 months ago

Quit picking on Mayer, people. There is not a single sports columnist in the LJ World staff that can write an interesting column. Yes, Mayer is boring, but Woodling and Keegan are equally horrible, and just as incapable of writing anything that can make an insightful point. But, after all, this is the same newspaper that wastes column inches with that screeching self-involved "Boomer Girl." Boomer Girl makes Lifetime Television for Women look deep.

Memo to the LJ World sports "writers": Ray Ratto. Jason Whitlock. Chuck Posnanski. Any of the beat writers for the San Jose Mercury-News. Lots of sports writers manage to write good material in a small space. Why can't you?

kc_wildfire 10 years, 4 months ago


Thanks for the clarification.


Excellent points made.

Personally, if I was in Lew's position, I would have wanted everything to come out so people (rational ones at least) couldn't accuse him of wanting Mangino gone only because he wasn't his hire or whatnot.

Also, letting all the facts come forward with all the evidence that had been founded, the university would make a great statement in saying that "yes, Mangino was a key component in taking KU Football to places they only dreamed of going before, but winning at any cost will not ever be acceptable here."

Personally I was never a Mangino fan. As a former high school and small, small college football player I could never play for a coach who demands his player's run a certain time in the forty when the coach himself couldn't run a total of forty yards in a day. Call me insensitive, intolerant, whatever. That is my opinion and I bet a few players didn't come to KU that might have otherwise due to the same feeling.

Unfortunate situation for all involved.

babyjay1 10 years, 4 months ago

Good post KUBlue! You are so right. Anyone who is complaining about Lew does not understand the business of being AD. He has done a fantastic job of building KU fb into some sort of relevance. The Orange Bowl happened not only because of the wins but because Lew worked the phones and did his job to get us there! The GridIron Club needs to happen to build a bigger fanbase of alums with $$ at football games. His job is not to keep a coach that cannot handle the PR (won't go to events and speak, etc... which MM refused to do) and cannot present himself in a respectable manner, which MM did not do (see the people quit because of his tirades). Sorry, but Lew is right on here and he will find us a good coach. I appreciate what MM did but it was time for him to leave and Lew took the opportunity and made it happen. Rock Chalk!!

jhokfan 10 years, 4 months ago

Mangino is being credited for being a good coach in every corner of the college football world except Lawrence. Ironic.

yovoy 10 years, 4 months ago

bcpalmer, GREAT points, and i think i've felt the same way about this connecticut cadre for a looong time. they kind of creep me out.

i'll miss Mangino, and i hope that all the damage he did to his players will heal with time. i don't think he's some misunderstood genius, but i think he's a little bit of both. i'm glad he created a better kufb program than he found, but i'm sorry that so many had to be alienated (or at least had to feel alienated) during his tenure.

also, mayer seems to know the great 'yanqui' quotes, but doesn't know one by emiliano zapata? not a criticism of his writing, but he seems to ignore the quote was as "important" to the cause as the others. i generally know what i'm going to get with mayer, so i don't call for his head, nor do i think he should stop writing. he does what he does, and in that is very consistent.

troutsee 10 years, 4 months ago

Good job Mayer.

Good job Lew.

During the past week, some posters have said they were ashamed to be a Jayhawk. Give me a break!

Mangino had to go. Now he's gone. Let's move on.

Gill... no, unproven. Fulmer... no, too old. Harbaugh yes but probably not a good fit. Edsel yes...questionalbe fit. Tubberville...yes but has he lost his relevance? Sumlin yes, looks like the best fit. Fedora..yes, also a pretty good fit. way are we going to get him. Cromwell..yes, a very good fit but without headcoaching experience. Venables...I hope not. The Northern Illinois coach....a real comer but relatively unknown. Ditka...a giant no. Let me think about that one (I think I'd lean "no" on that one). Time to go after a younger guy who still has fire in his belly.

hcpalmer 10 years, 4 months ago

Bill Mayer was, is now and always will be one of the great sports writers/analysts of all time. He knows more about KU sports than all of the rest of us put together.

Larry Ewart 10 years, 4 months ago

I am so tired of people saying that 59 or 60 is to old to coach. I just accepted a promotion a year ago in upper management in a company and I am 58 thank god they did not consider my age, otherwise, I may as well end it because experience, maturity, decision making has to be done by younger people. Fulmer had a horrible season his last year coaching at Tennessee. He put to much trust in an offensive co. who he had just brought in that year. His defense was ranked 4th nationally. The guy has national connections for recruiting. He has by far the best resume of any candidate the message board has been discussing. Do some research people.

kureader 10 years, 4 months ago

Mayer, as one who usually reads the KC papers (not that I'm proud of this), I sometimes like to read the LJW thinking that perhaps sportswriters from Lawrence will have some interesting insights or maybe some inside information to offer ... guess not. Instead you're using two week old quotes from Mangino and you're still trashing him, even now that he's gone. That portion of your article is something you'd expect to read from the Manhattan, Kansas sportswriters, not from you ... not now. Have you ever thought of moving west?

BusterKU 10 years, 4 months ago

Mayer - you are a joke. Mangino was basically saying it's better to go down swinging than to fold and beg for your job....Maybe you would have preferred he resign at the first bit of public scrutiny? It's obvious you were trying to "put things in perspective," but when a coach literally devotes every waking second of his life to a program, I suspect this felt like the end of the world to him. This was actually one of Mangino's better characteristics as he was always able to get his teams to fight to the matter how badly the odds were stacked against them.

Kenneth Hillman 10 years, 4 months ago

What a terrible article. I agree with Mangino's statement and it's pitiful to see column writers bagging on our ex-coach. Seriously, no more of these.

David Lara 10 years, 4 months ago

KC wildfire:

Excellent. Just plain excellent views all of them. Not that Mangino's size would ever make or break my opinion of him as a coach, but it does bear some small reference. The whole point of the article as I see it is that I, and most people i know, am sick of Mangino taking no responsibility for his actions. By playing the martyr card and not dealing with what is in front of him, he is insulting fans that deserve answers. That's not a coach i want in charge of any Kansas team. Glad he was here to do great things. Glad he is gone in light of the "less than great" things. Thank you Mayer for calling a spade a spade.

bradh 10 years, 4 months ago

Good grief, the man is gone. Move on and leave him alone already.

Ryan Shelton 10 years, 4 months ago

Mayer, I've never enjoyed a single one of your articles until tonight. That's because I only read a few lines and skipped straight to the comments. The comments were great! Keep turning out filth; it brings out the best in us.

Spencer Goff 10 years, 4 months ago

For one, I am glad to finally read something not written by Keegan and the Buffet Crew. I am right with you Wiseapple, has he owned up to a damn thing?

My favorite was "when I was hired they wanted me to instill discipline..." Yep, it was the school's fault you have some crazy ass methods of punishment. Was that a denial or a blame shifting? If it is blame shifting than are you saying something was wrong after you told us nothing was wrong?

Yep, it was KU's fault you do not have the social skills to understand what is motivation, and what is mental abuse. Yes, college football should be run like Full Metal Jacket or A Few Good Men. Maybe at your next job you can implement soap motivationals for the guy who finishes last in sprints, he will run faster when his ass is bruised up.

Not your fault Mangino, you were the victim here.

I crapped out a Mangino and it smelled of poor excuses.

And Mayer, please don't use donnybrook in any article ever again. It makes you seem like you are unaware that it is almost 2010. Other than that your article made me happy to see somebody who can finally see through poor rhetoric.

Prediction time: He will get another head coaching job at a mid-level program, and in six years, after having no big wins, a creampuff schedule, on-campus player problems, more buried domestic "issues," and more accusations that he is insane and abusive, he will be fired from that job too.

areyouserious 10 years, 4 months ago

better yet........Mayer just seriously, head for the mountains!!!

Steve Brown 10 years, 4 months ago

Usually I just read the comments yet with all the hubbu I actually read the article.

1."better to die on your feet than exist on your knees. " the subject of your editorial "2.though it’s going to take KU a long, long time to overcome the embarrassing turmoil of late" no it's not, it's over with the new hire. then it's really over next year when we win more than one conference game. then it's really really over with our next bowl win. When SMU was given the NCAA football death penalty now that was a long time. 3. nothing in this paragraph worth comment on 4. "Mark, nobody sought to fatally knock you off your feet. Or force you to bow your head and crawl to the lavish football empire the school created on your behalf." Oh Lordy, (your words) you totally missed the point of his message, It was not as you say, I would rather stand on my feet and not admit guilt or have to 'tone down' my actions, rather than asked for some repetence and responsibility and hope to 'crawl' keep my job. You missed his message. Mark's quote was aimed at Lew and Marchiony, not us, you goof. He had said he had little contact with them. He gave it after the arrowhead game. At that time he knew, you knew, we all knew he was gone, just a matter of when and how much and how bloody. He was saying, I'm in for the long haul, I'm not resigning to save face, I'll take your report and blows to my character, (if you have them) standing firm on my feet rather than 'crawl' out on my knees with a buyout to keep the disclosure closed. Don't believe me, look at his next comment, I did nothing wrong and wouldn't change a thing.

This is all code for your buyout stinks I need more cash if you want me to leave quick and forego due process. Raise your ante. I don't think the panel, (2 of 3) I have veto power over will find that you have 'cause'. "trust me"

We must have raised our ante as he did 'crawl' (his words) out of KU rather than "stand" and face the investigation.

  1. "Let’s hope the witch hunt is ending." The women burned at the stake in Salem Mass. had evidence concocted against them for not being pure. Are you saying Mark was pure, or that evidence of verbal, physical abuse to players, staff, support personnel & others in the university community was created. What do you mean witch hunt.
  2. "Let’s hope the witch hunt is ending." Yes, usually after the wicked witch is burnt, (or mleted) the trail ends. Or do you mean the searching for his abuse evidence is at an end and you want no more victims to come forward & pile on. I thought you were in journalism, are you really saying no more revelations. I forgot you got into J shcool prior to Woodward & Bernstein.
  3. never mind why go on...

Steve Brown 10 years, 4 months ago

trial ends yet trail ends also works.

krohnuts: nice post you're right, it was the pansey arsed parents, the mission to instill structure and so on...

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