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Thursday, August 27, 2009

Hoops recruit Barnes to visit North Carolina

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Harrison Barnes, a 6-foot-6 small forward from Ames (Iowa) High, will visit the University of North Carolina over Labor Day weekend on an official recruiting trip, the Des Moines Register reports.

Barnes said he will make official visits to his other finalists — Kansas, Duke, Oklahoma and UCLA — and make an unofficial trip to Iowa State, then choose a school after his high school season ends.

The Des Moines Register quoted Barnes, Rivals.com’s No. 2-rated player, on his finalists:

KU: “It’s close to home and there's a great tradition there. Coach Bill Self has great player-coach relations.”

UNC: “I was a big Michael Jordan fan. After visiting there, the university really stands on its own.”

Duke: “They have a great education. They have a great business school that could set me up after basketball.”

OU: “They're one of the hottest stocks right now. They’ve been bringing in great recruits. They definitely have a lot of my interest.”

UCLA: “They've been in three Final Fours in the last four years. They know how to win.”

ISU: “They've been bringing in some big- time players.”

Comments

waywardJay 10 years, 4 months ago

UNC ..... really.... stands on it's own..... harrison ?? Maybe, it's the historian in me, but UNC has never stood on their own..... that's all im going to say.... He's visiting at the right time, when they aren't playing basketball this year..... because i have the feeling they will fall off pretty hard.

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 4 months ago

HB will say all the right things and not make anybody unhappy. The guy is a politician in that sense.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 4 months ago

Exactly Keith.

Let's hope 'Hawks don't ome on here and make fools of themselves and the school.

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 4 months ago

He's a great player and going to big time bball schools. He SHOULD visit UNC....if they are interested in him, why wouldn't he?

i know he has his finalists...but in all reality, it's between Iowa St., KU and UNC. KU is the big time program just down the road...ISU is his front yard....and Roy has it all going full bore at this point in Chapel Hill.

it should rankle our Big 12 country brethren, if he chose UNC. i mean, there aren't enough players in Pennsylvania, Maryland and New Jersey for Roy to recruit anymore?

Mr. Barnes has been to Lawrence and the Kansas City area a lot in the last couple of years....so he knows us well. We'll be in it all the way, and I would be rather surprised if we didn't land him.

Don't ever underestimate Bill Self in the recruiting game.

truefan 10 years, 4 months ago

Actually mvjayhawk, recent reports have said that Harrison Barnes is leaning towards Duke because of their acedemic prestige as well as their basketball tradition. KU has a great business school and I hope he realizes that, but Duke is pretty much Ivy League. I think Barnes can get a great degree from KU as well as having a shot at the title, something Duke hasn't been doing for a few years now. I really hope we get this kid though because he is a class act like Darnell Jackson, Stuckey, Simien who have all done great things outside of their sport for the University and the community.

Kirby Brown 10 years, 4 months ago

Duke: "They have a great business school that could set me up after basketball.”

I'll give Harrison the business school at Duke is better than KU's, but are you really going to need a top notch business school when you are likely headed to the NBA for millions? I'm a KU business school grad and I've done very well with that education and he will do much better than I ever will. I don’t think Duke is a player.

I don't blame the kid for wanting to visit these schools. It's flattering at that age that all these big time schools want to pander to your needs. I think in the end, Harrison will be wearing Crimson and Blue! We offer everything all these other schools do, all rolled up into a nice package in Lawrence.

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 4 months ago

I definitely believe the close-proximity of KU and the fact that he'll play in Ames once a year weighs heavily in our favor.

KUfball 10 years, 4 months ago

No one has commented on how Duke doesn't even have an undergraduate business school...it's a Liberal Arts College. If he wants to attend their business school he can apply after graduating from KU (or whatever school he chooses). And that's IF he doesn't leave school early for the NBA.

I'm currently in the KU Business School and I enjoy it very much, for all it's worth

Ron_Kellogg 10 years, 4 months ago

Having attended both schools, I can tell you that one year at Duke (which is all HB is going to see) is worth four at KU - educationally speaking.

Joel Hood 10 years, 4 months ago

From everything printed about HB, I think this is really a toss-up for him. Specifically:

  • If he truly has OAD potential, then does the reputation of the B-School really matter to him?
  • His mom works at ISU and he is close to the ISU basketball program. Why not play at home if your college experience is only going to be 1 or 2 years?
  • A few years ago, this was a classic Duke recruit. But now, with the prestige balance of power shifting, Duke of 2010 does not dazzle like it did in 2000.
  • Who will be back at KU in 2010-11? Will HB really want to come here if X is still around? A lot of 4 star recruits want to be “the man” when they hit campus. He may love everything about KU, but not his probable role on the team if others are still around.
  • He may be pressured to play for a non-Big12 school if chooses to not go to ISU.

Although we all know that KU is clearly, and without a doubt, the best place HB could play, there are many reasons he might not attend KU. Does anyone know if he is considering his visit to KU on the Late Night weekend?

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 4 months ago

Ron Kellog,

You my friend are a jack ass!

InfiniteJ 10 years, 4 months ago

Sounds to me that Mr. Barnes is a Nike guy, not an Adidas guy. Most of you would laugh at the notion that a player might choose one school over another because of what brand they are endorsed by.....but from my understanding it happens quite a bit and it all usually starts during AAU ball. Don't think it's true? Do some research on guys like Sonny Vaccaro and William Wesley.

I'm not saying that Harrison Barnes would base his decision on which school wears which brand (he seems more into education than fashion), but he did say he was a big MJ fan......so you never know.

JayJayPG 10 years, 4 months ago

Pitting Duke and UNC against each other for his recruitment is going to be intense! One thing is for sure...I am going to enjoy watching Barnes no matter where he goes. College basketball needs more kids like this...

kansaspike 10 years, 4 months ago

Again----- GET OUT OF THE MIDWEST ROY!! You couldn't recruit the east coast when you were here at KU.....WTF.

This really gets me fired up!!!

okiedave 10 years, 4 months ago

The argument that one school is better than another school in all practicality is meaningless insofar as the quality of the education is concerned. I am quite positive that the K.U. Business school has access to the same text books as the Yale business school. The graduate student instructors teaching at Yale are probably just as bad at teaching as the graduate student instructors at K.U. The occasional full professor that may teach a class at Yale may have a degree from Harvard or Wharton Business School and written one or two more books than the Professor at K.U. but the Yale professor's ability to teach the subject matter is no better that K.U.'s professor. Whether one school is better than another is simply a mirage based on the cost to attend and its reputation for "selectivity" of its students based on family wealth and perhaps grades. The opportunity for learning is equal (with the only possible exception to that rule being at the U. of Missouri which attracts the inbred herd). Mr. Barnes seems to have indicated that Yale has promised to set him up in some delayed post graduate position if he attends Yale, which appears to be a form of future benefit (should the NCAA look into this? Is it a promise to compensate athletes in the future? is it a violation of the rules?).

waywardJay 10 years, 4 months ago

again....im reading heavily into his timing here, guys. He'll probably play with the talent level they have there now and say... Yeah I suppose they are decent. Nothing like the level got playing at Kansas.

For those who don't know, there are studies out there that state 60 percent of NBA Players go backrupt within 5 years or retiring from Basketball. Considering the shelf life of a NBA player is roundabout 10 years. Harrison Barnes is likely going to pull down about 16-18 for the first 3-4 years, max contract after which will be 18-20 per for the next 4, and possibly veteran minimum for the next 2 which will be somewhere near 2-3 mil per, If he isn't given a second max contract. Stands to reason when he retires he will have earned about 200-300 million dollars playing basketball..... if he wants to go to business school and invest that money, SO BE IT. protect your wealth Kid.

Joel Hood 10 years, 4 months ago

The ranking of any school, college, or university is typically based on how difficult the coursework is and the academic potential of the students. Usually, the more competitive the admission standards are, the more difficult the course work is. Ivy League schools, Duke, MIT, etc., are very competitive to get in – only a select few can go. KU is a great public university, but under the current Kansas Board of Regents admission standards, almost any HS graduate who can pay, can attend. This means that our mission is to serve those who are not as academically gifted and/or financially blessed, as those who attend the elite private universities.

Many of the elite schools are competitive to ensure that only the best students, who can pay, can attend. They don’t want to deal with the dropout rates that KU currently has to manage. Like it or not, lower admission standards means that the coursework covered in an average class is not as stringent, or encompassing, as that taught in a more elite university. You’ve heard the expression that many college courses are like “drinking water from a fire hose.” Well, typically elite schools simply turn up the pressure of the fire hose. If KU applied the same pressure with our “open admissions” policy, our dropout rate would be much higher.

I don’t necessarily agree with Ron_Kellogg’s 4 to 1 ratio, but I understand where he is coming from. I just think when you compare KU to Duke, you can’t ignore the mission and populations each school serves when you make the comparison.

justanotherfan 10 years, 4 months ago

waywardJay is on the money about basketball players going bankrupt. Its even worse for football and baseball players (whose shelf life is much, much shorter).

Most people don't realize that pro athletes don't make nearly as much money as they or the general population believes they do.

For example, an athlete signs a contract for $2 Million per year.

Taxes in that range are around 40%, so right off the bat he's down to $1.2 Million.

His agent is going to take 10-15%, so that's another $200K-$300K.

Just from taxes and agent fees, he's spent half his contract and hasn't seen a cent yet. Now, I know most are thinking, $900K is still plenty to live on, and it is. But if you spend like you are making $2M, but really make less than $1M, you will run up your debt VERY quickly. Imagine if you spent like you made twice as much as you did, then stopped working in 10 years. You would probably be broke, too.

In addition, family and friends see the $2M contract in the paper and expect you to pony up for everything, plus live like a pro athlete (big house, nice car, etc.). It's a slippery slope that most aren't prepared for.

I applaud Barnes for looking not only at his NBA earning power, but beyond that to being set for life.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 4 months ago

Jayhawkerjoel,

I agree somewhat with what you are saying. The thing is that much of school is about cramming information which most people forget about 1 to 2 weeks later. Real buisness skills come in the work force or whatever profession you are in. I am not saying that school is not important but, I am saying I would take someone who has done an internship at a major company with no degree, over someone who graduated from Duke university with a 4 year degree. One year of real buisness experiance to me out weighs 4 year of schooling at PUKE.

Joe Baker 10 years, 4 months ago

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says... I definitely believe the close-proximity of KU and the fact that he'll play in Ames once a year weighs heavily in our favor.

Exactly- He's in crimson/blue for the following reasons: 1) UNC will never be the team of MJ 3) Duke is too far and his mother will hardly ever get to see him play 4) OU is a flash in the pan 5) UCLA is so yesterday and 6) Iowa St will never have the team to win a NC.

KU is the best option: 1) close to home 2) bright 2-3 year future in ncaa b-ball 3) best chance to win NC 4) produce NBA players better than any team in the nation 5) business school is as good if not better (most that graduate have gotten good jobs at some decent financial institutions) - besides he can hire a good investor and this is why players are broke, they don't invest for the future

yates33333 10 years, 4 months ago

KU recruits since Self haven't been chopped liver. It also has a great business school but doesn't toot its horn enough.

Fred Davis 10 years, 4 months ago

I'll be shocked if this kid doesn't end up at KU... Who cares what he says about each school, he was diplomatic about every single school he mentioned... That kid is worried about business school about as much as Sherron worries about whether to eat dessert after dinner... The thing that intrigues me is when he is scheduling the visits... If he comes to KU's Late Night, it's Dundee... Going to UNC over Labor Day? Yeah, nothing like taking in a Citadel-UNC game on the recruiting trip... Maybe Roy will share a Coke with him after the game and tell him how great UNC's business school is too... I'll take Bill Self outrecruiting any of those yahoos any day.

waywardJay 10 years, 4 months ago

he's not commited to us on Late night as i have heard... ( i could have missed that )... Why go to see UNC football ??? if your a jordan kid, Wouldn't you want to see their basketball team ???

He's keenly aware of the Xfactor in this season.... that's why he's waiting to decide until the end of the year...X goes pro..... he's coming to Kansas

100 10 years, 4 months ago

Harrison -- we want you here. Glad you're taking visits.

As for Duke keep in mind that's a grad program so you would hit that for four years after four years of college. KU's MBA program is one of the best in the country & takes 5 years total, and can be done in 4.

If you're dying to go to Duke's post grad program after getting your MBA at KU for 4 years, all while grabbing some NCAA rings & raising your NBA stock by leaps & bounds, we completely understand & support you.

Rock Chalk, Harrison -- please say hello to Roy from all of us!

waywardJay 10 years, 4 months ago

please, give him a fruit basket in honor of the two scholoarships we lost for his shenanigans.

KUgirl1031 10 years, 4 months ago

Though I'm a die-hard Jayhawk fan, my husband worked closely with the UNC basketball team during his college days and still has ties to the UNC athletic department. This Labor Day weekend, UNC is bring back every single player from the 2005 championship team, as well as, every single player from the 2009 championship team. Their 2005 vs. 2009 alumni game is completely sold out. At halftime, they are dropping the championship banner. This will also be the weekend in which they will also receive their championship rings. So...it is a HUGE deal that Barnes is headed to UNC that weekend. Follow the link for more info: http://tarheelblue.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081009aab.html

David Lara 10 years, 4 months ago

Well, it shouldn't be too hard to get the '05 team together, none of them are doing all that much at the next lvl. 4 guys drafted in the first 14 pics and only one of them, Felton, is even making a ripple in the NBA. I'm glad scouts and GMs learned their lesson and tempered their lust for UNC champions with this year's draft. That was the biggest joke in draft history. And what round was former POY Hansbrough taken this year? 3rd? I don't even remember. Bottom line: It will only take one late night here in AFH to make UNC a foggy and distant memory. Getting him here then should obviously be our goal.

jaybate 10 years, 4 months ago

Harrison Barnes should go see both places.

Practice facility--ours is new, and the players love it, even though I don't. Advantage: KU

Arena--AFH versus DeanDome. Big and personal vs bigger and impersonal. Advantage: KU

Head Coach: Self versus Dean, er Roy. Come on! We've had them both and we prefer Self. Advantage: KU

Assistants: Even on the perimeter, hands down better for the bigs at KU. Advantage: KU

Coeds: KU has more fun, beautiful, smart women than anywhere and I have been around UCLA, Arizona, and Florida. Chapel He|| has southern girls with accents. Advantage: KU

Weather: Fall and Spring are superior in Lawrence. Winter is superior in Chapel He||. Advantage: KU

Tradition: KU has Naismith, Allen, Larry Brown, Roy Williams, and Bill Self. UNC has Frank, who was apparently crooked, and Dean and Roy. Advantage: KU (huge)

Recent Matchups Between Schools: KU flushed Roy's Boys in the national semis and won the ring playing against a team with tramp athletes who couldn't even take their own SATs. Advantage: KU

See you on James Naismith Court next year, Harrison. And there'll be some new silk hanging in the rafters when you get here.

KUgirl1031 10 years, 4 months ago

I totally agree with you! I'm 100% in favor of him being a Jayhawk. I'm just reporting what I know. My post answers why Barnes would be going to UNC over Labor Day...not just for the UNC v. Citadel football game. I hope that Late Night in the Phog will totally win him over. Rock Chalk!

100 10 years, 4 months ago

From what I've read he's a KU lean right now.

KUgirl1031's point is a great one -- Roy definitely knows he needs to pull all the stops.

I'm sure as Harrison is sitting there at Late Night in the Phog he will realize that if we stay focused the entire year, listen to coach, play tenacious D and with a purpose offensively, we, like Carolina, will have two recently crowned national championship teams ('08 &'10) to scrimmage against when he joins us as a Freshman next year.

Both UNC & KU have two of the most beautiful campuses I've ever seen, so it's nearly a tossup there..

A huge difference between the two is KU has one of the best MBA programs in the country & UNC's Business school is the equivalent of a jog through Central Park at midnight with money in both fists.

Rock Chalk KUgirl &

Rock Chalk Harrison Barnes

waywardJay 10 years, 4 months ago

Does a seemingly smart player like Harrison Barnes really need to see 2005 v. 2009 ????

Felton v. Lawson ( adv, felton ) McCants v. Green ( adv. McCants ) Manuel v. Ellington ( adv. Ellington ) J Williams v. Thompson ( adv. Williams ) May v. Hansborough ( adv. May )

benchs...

M Williams v. Ed Davis ( adv. M Williams ) Noel v. Frasor ( adv. Noel ) Scott v. Drew ( adv. Scott )

The teams are not even close, it's as if they were recruited by different coaches.... Oh wait they were.... 2005 was a far superior team, and they lost to VIllanova in the Sweet Sixteen ( or wait did they really call that play a travel ) oh yeah... that 1 step that Allan ray took was a travel....

Harrison's a smart kid as i said previously.... If Xavier Henry's heading pro, Harrison's following his route.

DoubleDD 10 years, 4 months ago

It would seem to me that HB's final list is very,,,,,,,,,well logical. Know keep in mind HB has grown up with a high standard for education (thanks Mom) and yet he is one of the most gifted BBplayers in the nation.

First his choice of the Tar heels has everthing to do with his childhood hero MJ. Well we all know that as children we see things quite differently when we grow up. I'm guessing Tar Heel land won't live up to his expecations. Child Hood fantasies never do.

Now Duke can offer him the balance he desires. They are a top notch business school, and they have one of the elite B-programs in the nation. Just one problem they are a long way from home. By Attending Duke He wouldn't see Mom except for holidays (I'm betting he takes summer courses).

Iowa St however is home, however their is many problems with the choice. He might just be to close to home and Iowa St can neither offer the education or basketball environment that wins championships and develops NBA players.

Like oh My God UCLA, really does anyone see this choice as other than a free trip to Cali. Babes, sunshine, mountians, and good mexican food. I don't know how much of the country HB has seen but the west coast is quite different. I can't blame him for wanting to see it. Especially at the cost of somebodies elses dime.

Finally KU has every thing the HB wants. (I'm not just saying that cuz I want him to come to KU) It close to home but not to close. It can give him a top notch business education and a chance to play for NC while honing his basketball skills.

HB is one of the rares finds that I think will get his degree before he goes pro. He realizes that as a pro athelete you maybe get one or two big paydays and you have to make the most of it. Where ever HB goes that college will be lucky to have him.

Lin Rahardja 10 years, 4 months ago

The question here is which style of basketball will fit HB? On the offensive side, will it be NC with their Offense & Transition Drills, or the High/Low Offense of KU? On the defensive side, we all know KU has gritty tough defense.

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