Chris Broussard of ESPN.com is reporting Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur have been kicked out of the NBA's Rookie Transition Program for violating program rules.
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The NBA careers of former Kansas University basketball standouts Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers are off to stormy starts, to say the least.
Memphis Grizzlies power forward Arthur and Miami Heat point guard Chalmers were dismissed from the NBA's rookie transition program Wednesday for violating unidentified league rules.
ESPN.com and ESPN The Magazine reported that the two were caught with marijuana and women in their Doral Arrowwood resort hotel room Tuesday night in Rye Brook, N.Y. The program began Wednesday morning in the New York city suburb.
ESPN sources said Arthur and Chalmers were fined $20,000 apiece and might start the regular season on the suspended list. They also face possible disciplinary action from their teams.
Foxsports.com quoted a source saying NBA commissioner David Stern was "livid" at the two for violating rules at a four-day seminar in which coaches, referees and former NBA players speak to rookies about adapting to the league.
Issues addressed include life skills, financial planning, importance of character and image, the difference between NBA and NCAA game rules, legal issues and media relations.
"I'm extremely disappointed ... and disappointed is putting it mildly," Memphis Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley told the Memphis Commercial-Appeal. "We're going to have a very serious discussion with Darrell and his agent. We're going to make sure he understands very clearly what the guidelines are. We'll see how that discussion goes and go from there."
A source told the Commercial-Appeal that Arthur and Chalmers "initially refused security entry into the room, prompting police officers to become involved."
The paper said it was not known if the players or the women in the room possessed the marijuana. No one was arrested.
The Miami Herald in its online editions Wednesday night said police were called to the the resort at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday after hotel security reported the smell of marijuana coming from a guest room.
No arrests were made because no evidence of marijuana was present when police arrived at the hotel to investigate, a police official requesting anonymity told the Herald.
"I'm disappointed Darrell showed poor judgment," Grizzlies' general manager Chris Wallace told the Commercial-Appeal. "Darrell is a good person. I still feel Darrell will go on and do a lot of good for himself and the organization. We'll deal with this when he gets back (to Memphis)."
The Miami Herald reported that both players could be subject to enrollment in the NBA's substance abuse program. Both will have to repeat the orientation program next September.
"We are investigating the situation and will have no further comment at this time," Miami Heat spokesman Tim Donovan said.
Chalmers' agent, Sam Goldfeder, told the Associated Press: "I'm in the process of investigating what exactly is going on."
The NBA told the Miami Herald the players were sent home "because they are prohibited from having guests in their hotel room during the program."
"The players were sent home for violating program rules," NBA spokesman Tim Frank told the AP. "They will be appropriately sanctioned and will have to repeat the program next year."
The New York Times reports that the last player to be sent home from the orientation program was Ron Artest in 1999.
Arthur was chosen at No. 27 in the first round of the 2008 NBA Draft by New Orleans and was traded three times on draft night before landing in Memphis. Chalmers was the fourth pick of the second round by the Minnesota Timberwolves and was traded to Miami, where he is expected to fight for the starting point guard position.
KU's Bill Self, who coached Chalmers three years and Arthur two seasons, issued a statement:
"We really don't know all the facts yet, and I certainly would never comment publicly on any personal matter concerning any player I have ever coached. Beyond that, I can say that both Mario and Darrell were great to coach. They played a huge role in our success the past few years, in large part due to their unselfishness and the sacrifices they made for our program," he said.
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shabbasuraj (anonymous) says...
wow that sux..
what a way to start your rookie season..
suspended...
September 3, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
So much for starting off on the right foot. Looks like they will start out on the bench. Try not to get caught next time.
September 3, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
crooner (anonymous) says...
Genius.
September 3, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stupidmichael (anonymous) says...
Morons.
September 3, 2008 at 2:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhwkroks (anonymous) says...
I guess fame and money doesn't take long to get to your head!!!
September 3, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Nutflush21 (anonymous) says...
Cant say that Im surprised... At least there are no legal consequences. Anyone know if Chalmers contract is guaranteed? If not hes pretty dumb take risks like that.
September 3, 2008 at 2:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
irish2255 (anonymous) says...
They were just holding it for Beasley.
September 3, 2008 at 2:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rhino11 (anonymous) says...
priceless. at orientation no less.
September 3, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
walkdog262 (anonymous) says...
Who cares? Everybody in the NBA smokes weed. The only guys who didn't were John "Hairy Chest" Stockton and Karl "The Redneck" Malone! That league is led by hypocrites.
September 3, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
joedavis (anonymous) says...
The Miami Herald has reported that was women, not marijuana.
"Miami Heat rookie point guard Mario Chalmers was sent home from the NBA's mandatory rookie transition program in New York on Tuesday for having women in his hotel room, an NBA source said."
September 3, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
gutter (anonymous) says...
Losers. Wait, I mean National Champions. Doubt they care much about embarassing KU. Wonder if Self will be asked if he knew they were pot smokers?
September 3, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
woodhawk (anonymous) says...
Smoke weed everyday.
September 3, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
halogenlamps (anonymous) says...
My dear God, the NBA has got to get over pot smokers!!!
September 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
I Smoked with Jeff Graves
September 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bryan123456789 (anonymous) says...
where was rush? i was for sure he was a weed smoker....bet with all that new money they had some of the stickiest of the icky
September 3, 2008 at 2:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
Josh Howard thinks Mario and Shady are dumb.
September 3, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
msthompson37 (anonymous) says...
ever heard of blowing it in a tube filled with fabric softener? No big deal but guys be smarter next time
September 3, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
afilmer (anonymous) says...
poor choices guys...
bringing weed to the rookie orientation is like showing up drunk at a MADD fundraiser.
it shows a lack of respect for the profession you are lucky enough to be a part of, and a lack of common sense that many of us have to adhere to every day in order to make it.
don't smoke the stuff - don't have a problem with others smoking it - think the laws should be different - but they aren't - and you guys screwed up.
black eye for the hawks.
September 3, 2008 at 2:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
esubrett (anonymous) says...
When this story initially broke Beasley was mentioned as in the room but not involved. Now ESPN took that part out of the story and there is no mention of him at all. A little odd.
September 3, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bryan123456789 (anonymous) says...
some of the best basketball players i know smoke weed, it an herbal remedy, and side affects include being calm enough to drain 3's in games when it matters most ala memphis and texas, o and texas again. He didnt have ice water flowing through his vains during those shots the boy was just blazed!!! lol
September 3, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
Beasley claimed he smoked but didn't enhale when he got caught and they let him go.
September 3, 2008 at 2:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kansas22 (anonymous) says...
I wonder if Aqib was hiding under the bed... In reality, not that big of a deal. But, it's not a very good way to start off their careers. Hopefully these guys left out the best places to find weed in Lawrence when talking to the incoming freshman basketballers this year.
September 3, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
cmill12 (anonymous) says...
WHAT!! COLLEGE AGED KIDS WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SMOKE WEED!!! NO WAY!! I must say... This is a shock.
September 3, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
Did anyone see that show one espn called something like hey rookie welcome to the nfl. Aqib was on there as well as Dorsey. Aqib could have his own reality show.
September 3, 2008 at 3 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
1977kufan (anonymous) says...
Mario and Darrell,
Is this the manner in which you are represent the University of Kansas? Does an NCAA National Championship mean anything to either of you? Do you have any idea how many other people work, help other people and genuinely try to represent this great University? Do you know that the majority of Jayhawks work their entire life and never see the money that each of you are or could be making? They don't "double dribble" (think of the two judgmental errors that you have made) through their "off court" life. Maybe you need to return to the University and try to obtain some "adult life skills". Oh well, they will never read this and even if they did, this will never "hit home" with them. What a sad epilogue this is to outstanding college careers.
September 3, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
brianharold9 (anonymous) says...
No way... these guys smoke weed? who would have ever thought that. In Lawrence, it is a $250 fine. Guess its a little different in other cities. This is dumb.
September 3, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) says...
I am ashamed of these guys, especially Mario. I thought he had enough mentoring from his parents that he wouldn't do something like this. I had better reconsider my plan to put a #15 jersey on my Christmas list.
September 3, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shockjay (anonymous) says...
From March Madness to Reefer Madness. I'd hate to think how often this when on during the last 2-3 seasons. Was that why the beat Memphis? Did half of our points in the championship game come as a result of being "high"?
September 3, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jasonsgill (anonymous) says...
Right, not a big deal as long as there are no suspensions.
Poor judgement in putting yourself in a position to get caught is the main thing.
September 3, 2008 at 3:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
LAJayhawk5 (anonymous) says...
1977. shut up. tool.
September 3, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
longhawk (anonymous) says...
They weren't "kicked out" of the NBA Transition Program. They were granted advance placement credit.
Clearly, they already understand life in the NBA.
September 3, 2008 at 3:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bryan123456789 (anonymous) says...
so national champions cant smoke weed? this isnt during the season so who cares, and why are you writing a post addressed to them they arent reading the crap we say on here. Them smoking weed does not mean they dont care about the national championship, so now everything they do wrong means they dont care about kansas?
September 3, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kltbadboyz (anonymous) says...
Im not sure if Mario and Shady smoked before every game but I know i blazed. It was so fun to watch, didn't miss a single game. I'd like to think that was the reason we won the Title.
September 3, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Jayhawk86 (anonymous) says...
I guess I will wait to hear the results of the investigations before I chime in with an opinion.
September 3, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jhawks (anonymous) says...
Sounds to me like they're transitioning to the NBA game quite well. What wrong here? The player or the game?
September 3, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bryan123456789 (anonymous) says...
they are college kids, they werent smoking crack or shooting up heroin, they were smoking some blunts probably. They should have just hit a country cruise in their new Benz then they would not be getting crusified on this board. I am proud of them to be honest. They are some of the most skilled potheads in the world. If there was an All-American team for pothead athletes they would be first team for sure. Way to go Mario and Darrell go have some fun, they deserve it they brought more joy into our lives this year than any player since danny manning and i was 1 year old then so i didnt get a whole lot of joy out of danny
September 3, 2008 at 3:22 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
PPhhoogg (anonymous) says...
Hey!!! Lets not worry too much about them guys. They left KU before graduating, so I don't consider them Jayhawks anymore!!
September 3, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JayViking (anonymous) says...
While it's bad rep, it's still just pot. Get over it. It's no different than what these kids do on campus here. Do you really think they JUST started smoking now?
September 3, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GoBadgers (anonymous) says...
Big deal. I'm sure being in the NBA is stressful. You know, the money, the women, etc. Who wouldn't need a little Mary Jane to relax now and then? As long as they don't go all Ricky Williams and get crazy ideas and want to quit being an athlete all together, NBA officials shouldn't worry.
September 3, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KEITHMILES05 (anonymous) says...
This doesn't reflect on KU at all. For the posters who are crying their eyes out because "it makes KU look bad".......grow the hell up.
These guys are in the NBA.
September 3, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kcphantom (anonymous) says...
Just because lots of people do it doesn't make it legal or right.
This is exactly why they need to take the program again. To learn the responsible way to act.
Dumb asses!
September 3, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jhawks1987 (anonymous) says...
Get a life people......you who are judging these two need to look in a mirror and ask yourselfs if you have ever done something you should not have done..... they are human like the rest of us.....nobody is perfect....hope they learn from this poor judgement and move on with their lives
September 3, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KUglow (anonymous) says...
They way everyone is acting all "whatever" about this story I can't believe someone hasn't played the "I can't believe they call this breaking news" card. I suppose that is coming.
Right or wrong, they are held to higher standards then the rest of us potheads.
September 3, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
GoBadgers (anonymous) says...
Dumbasses is right. I can't really tell from the story, but they were either caught smoking in their hotel room, or marijuana was simply found in the room. If it was scenario 1, my question is, why didn't they go someplace a little more private? You know, go for a ride down some back streets. Something. If it was scenario 2, then well, they need to learn how to hide their weed better. If they just haphazardly left it on the bedside table and someone found it, then that's poor form. Poor form.
September 3, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ESUjayhawk (anonymous) says...
well said 1987
September 3, 2008 at 3:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
swishymcjayhawk (anonymous) says...
i hate that professional athletes caught with pot is considered front page news.
i hate it even more when the athletes are former KU basketball players.
September 3, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
shelleysue (anonymous) says...
I realize that it's "only" pot, and yes we've all done stupid things. But I really have a problem when someone has been given an incredible gift and they respond by being stupid and disrespectful. Risking this opportunity over something so ridiculous is extremely STUPID and disappointing.
September 3, 2008 at 4 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
tis4tim (anonymous) says...
Bright side: ESPN will definitely cover Kansas basketball now.
Seriously, what a couple of dumb@sses. Simply baffling.
September 3, 2008 at 4:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jasonsgill (anonymous) says...
@kcphantom-
Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong in the moral sense. Our country is one in which, currently, the government can 'legally' tap you phones without clear cause, and in which, formerly, slavery and denying women the right to vote were legal.
Now, don't get me wrong, the above examples are for more grave then smoking marijuana. But that's the point, if you define your morals on governmental policies, then you are exposing a lack of moral integrity and condemning otherwise fine citizens without basis. If you can construct an argument as to why what these kids did was wrong outside of the the straw man: 'it is prohibited by the gov't' then I would be willing to listen. If the ONLY argument is that its prohibited then remember that Pres Clinton, Pres Bush, Barack Obama, and Sarah Palin have admitted to using Pot, while Bush and Obama have admitted to using cocaine.
Please people, have standards. Don't pass judgment when you have no right.
September 3, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
quigley (anonymous) says...
I think some of you would be shocked if you really knew how many great players at KU have smoked a little. I guess If it makes you feel better to beleive these are the only two, then more power to you. At least you can be confident that Paul Pierce never smoked when he was here....riiiiiiggghhhttttt......
September 3, 2008 at 4:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Strikewso (anonymous) says...
This is incredibly embarrassing. The vast majority of college students and normal people actually do not smoke weed, contrary to the pot heads who are asserting otherwise.
I wonder how many other players on our championship team were doing this. I'm kind of glad they left.
September 3, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stravinsky (anonymous) says...
Thank you, jason, saved me the effort.
Some of you guys are ridiculous. You DO realize that pot smoking is what happens at colleges right? Would it be 'breaking news' for me to let you know that college students drink underage too? (Couldn't help but do the breaking news bit).
That said, getting caught was stupid.
September 3, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
KUdude101 (anonymous) says...
smoked with B-Rush ....and Shady. Oh no...now I'm just like them. dang.
September 3, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
I wonder if this will have any impact on Mario's jersey retirement. I guess it would hinge on whether criminal charges are filed and if there is a conviction of some sort.
September 3, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...
quigley,
Exactly.
"Basketball players smoking pot. In related news, water is wet."
It's no secret that a very large number of basketball players both at the college and pro level poke a little smot every now and then.
I don't have any problem with with that, and I don't think these guys are stupid for smoking in general, I think they are stupid for smoking AT THE ROOKIE TRANSITION CAMP!!! C'mon, can't you wait like 4 days?? Then hell, go blaze all you want!
Absolutely no common sense, sheesh...
September 3, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jasonsgill (anonymous) says...
@Strikewso-
http://www.nida.nih.gov/marijBroch/pa...
Again, I'm not saying we should celebrate marijuana use, or that it is something that should be done. But (check the link above from the National Institutes of Health) about 98 million Americans over the age of 12 have used the 'drug'.
Now I don't know what your definition of 'vast majority' is but (at the lowest estimate, excluding kids under 12) 60% is not a 'vast majority'.
Just don't condemn these kids or their achievements. They, not you, contributed to the NC, they, not you, brought so much good press and money to KU. And its only people like you who take this as a negative association with KU.
I'll continue to claim these guys as Jayhawks long into the future.
September 3, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...
Yo B-Rush... now you dont do anything stupid like that!!
September 3, 2008 at 4:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
FortWorthJayhawk (anonymous) says...
This is terrible! How dare they smoke weed in the privacy of their own hotel room! Don't they realize that they spat in the face of all of Jayhawk Nation!?!
Seriously. Get real. They weren't hurting anyone. I don't see how it's any of our business what they do on their own time. They entertain us; maybe they should be allowed to entertain themselves sometimes...
September 3, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
2xhawk (anonymous) says...
Sarah Palin does not approve of that message...
September 3, 2008 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
coupar (anonymous) says...
I think that you all who are saying that its no big deal are missing the point. I agree, there are tons of athletes that smoke pot. The point is that they were at a mandatory NBA Rookie Transition Program! That is what is so stupid!
September 3, 2008 at 5 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Lebowski (anonymous) says...
Even if you do grant it is illegal and people shouldn't do it....
You all don't know whose it was and whose it wasn't. If someone always assumed that if there was weed at a place... then everyone there did it.... then you'd think I was a major pothead. (And no... I'm not)
Another classic case of noone knows, so do not pass judgement. And if they BOTH were doing it? So what? Still shouldn't pass judgement.
It's perfectly within their right to be embarrassed publicly and possibly face some charges. I don't care.
September 3, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
longhawk (anonymous) says...
I don't care if they smoked pot. It was just stupid to do it at the very camp where they try to teach you how NOT to get in trouble off the court.
September 3, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jasonsgill (anonymous) says...
Agreed, terrible decision to do it at the camp, irresponsible, sure.
Still though, be proud of what these guys accomplished and don't pretend that this makes them bad people or devalues anything they achieved (along with the rest of players and staff)
September 3, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jerseyhawk (anonymous) says...
still getting over the "high" of winning a national championship!!
September 3, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
njjayhawk (anonymous) says...
Two frick'n morons.
September 3, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bryan123456789 (anonymous) says...
i am still getting over how high i was after we won the national championship 2
September 3, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhwk5288 (anonymous) says...
well that stinks
dumb decision but even beyond that, this is something you usually see come out of columbia. hopefully it gets resolved and they can have bright careers
September 3, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bringheatwavewheat (anonymous) says...
Simien does something positive after college and gets ridiculed. Seem like these guys get more praise than criticism so far. Sad.
No, all college students don't smoke grass, so spare me that dumbass justification. Is it a heinous crime? No, but still a crime.
I think as sports fans we shouldn't worship athletes as individuals but rather simply enjoy their on court achievements. College is really just a step stone for their own benefit. We live and die with our team for a lifetime, the players come and go. Case in point, Mario even said when he was drafted that it was a bigger deal to him than winning the trophy.
September 3, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
brooksmd (anonymous) says...
Well when your 10 year old son gets caught toking at school because he, like thousands of other Kansas kids, sees Mario and Darrell as role models and says "if they can do it why can't I", I hope you all pat him on the back and say "way to go son." Only weed huh? Hmmm, pockets full of money, on the road, bored. Let's try something with a little more kick. Ask Josh Hamilton. What a couple of idiots.
September 3, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ESUjayhawk (anonymous) says...
i am still getting over how high i was after we smoked 2 pounds of grass
enough with the cheesy one liners... at least its not meth
September 3, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ESUjayhawk (anonymous) says...
they didnt even get arrested people
September 3, 2008 at 5:49 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Mr_Sandman (anonymous) says...
Wow what do you know NBA players smoke weed. Tell me something I didn't know. At least they could have waited until they left rookie orientation. I don't really like the fact that two former KU players got caught doing something like this, but don't overreact and throw them under the bus. It just Maryjane people its not the end of the world.
September 3, 2008 at 5:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
wcormode (anonymous) says...
Cigarettes, Chew, and Alcohol are all worse for your health then weed but yet we continue this witch hunt. Will Dwight Howard be suspended to start the season?
September 3, 2008 at 6:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
trojanhawk (anonymous) says...
Bad way to start out, but not a big deal.
September 3, 2008 at 6:16 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ESUjayhawk (anonymous) says...
wcormode,
I think u mean Josh Howard for the Mavs
September 3, 2008 at 6:25 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheTruth08 (anonymous) says...
Puff, Puff, Pass!
September 3, 2008 at 6:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bobsarobot (anonymous) says...
I'm scared my kid my think it is okay for him to smoke pot at school with the other 10 year olds who are hitting the weed between music class and social studies. Mario and Shady getting caught means I might actually have to parent my son and teach him about right versus wrong, drugs ill effects on a young 10 year old mind, all that jazz.
September 3, 2008 at 6:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
97jhawk (anonymous) says...
Mario!! Darrell!!! It's 4:11!! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!! Well, you might not have it anymore...haha!
September 3, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawkliz (anonymous) says...
I heard Beasley was there also, but who knows. Stupid, stupid, stupid move. Young dumb and full of you know what!
September 3, 2008 at 7:04 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kvskubball (anonymous) says...
I'm amazed at some of the comments, people saying there's nothing wrong with smoking pot. If it is both illegal and against your employer's rules, which it is, then it is stupid to do it. Not to mention the negative health effects.
When I was in college I met someone who smoked a lot. He was like a zombie and his ability to communicate was seriously impaired. When you said something to him you had to wait and wait for him to respond.
If the idea of a lesser evil exists, then the silver lining in this cloud of smoke is that they weren't doing coke and didn't end up dead like Len Bias.
September 3, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says...
Yeah well lets look at the hawks I blazed with when I was in the towers
Mikie Lee
Miles
Goodriddens
Langford
Gravy train used to sell it to me out of his sick escalade
J- Hawk
Hinrich
Proud Tradition
September 3, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jhawkpb23 (anonymous) says...
What the heck are they thinking? They are being given one of the best opportunities of their life, and they do something stupid like that. Maybe if they would've stayed at KU, they would've come out mature enough to not do stupid crap like that.
September 3, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says...
KVS-- you need to spark up and chill out,, how did we stumble upon the 6 ku grads who dont smoke.... I got my masters,,, no Zombie here.....I gotta go get ready,, got 10 min till 4:20 ...hawaii time..lol
September 3, 2008 at 7:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says...
seriously-- there are like 5 people in the league who dont smoke.... its weed, its not coke,, they didnt find them with 13 year olds,, chill the F out... BTW.. txrockchalk is my gay lover
September 3, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rockchalkjayhawk81 (anonymous) says...
OH no BOb,, you have to be a parent... wooo is you
September 3, 2008 at 7:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
HawkFanEddie (anonymous) says...
How does everyone "pass" their drug test while at KU...then suddenly fail when they go to the pros???
September 3, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
TheTruth08 (anonymous) says...
Just Say No.
September 3, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
djherbman (anonymous) says...
God put every plant on the earth for a reason. Unfortunate what it may mean to their career but it's only because of an outdated counterproductive law. Even Sarah Palin admits using it.
September 3, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
ku98 (anonymous) says...
They got caught smokin' weed at the Rookie Orientation Camp. That's the real embarrassment. Beyond that, I don't think it is a big deal. Paul Pierce used to smoke pot like a chimney during his college days, and I doubt he stopped once he got to Boston. Smoking pot is like turning right at the red light without making a clean stop. It is illegal, but come on, most of us have been guilty at some point.
September 3, 2008 at 8:28 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
lance1jhawk (anonymous) says...
Puff Puff Give Mother F***er!
September 3, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Strikewso (anonymous) says...
I just heard the report on ESPN Radio again. I wish this would just go away. Such an embarrassment...
September 3, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
bringheatwavewheat (anonymous) says...
Why does every pot smoker on here act like an a-hole? Shut the hell up already.
September 3, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jerhawk (anonymous) says...
give the guys a break! i went to drug rehab and i've dealt with addition issues- so don't deem them, but give them a break, they were huge in the nat'l chmpionship run. don't give them hell-OKAY- ROCK CHALK SAYS CHALMERS AND SHADY!
September 3, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
yovoy (anonymous) says...
they could be soused on cocktails in their rooms, and the owners of the teams can get a couple of dozen of their closest "friends" drunk in their skybox, and the league would be okay with it. but damned if the players can smoke mari, and just be ignored.
i haven't smoked weed in 23 years, and i'm not a hippy-dippy legalize it person, but i tell you the rules/laws are dumb. so yeah, legalize it, or at least just look the other way.
i grew up in the "just say no" eighties, and i never did say no back then, but the idea that uncle ronnie made our thinking on drugs and users of drugs so backward really boggles my mind. this guy CREATED half of the squares that are on this board; just brainwashed their parents and them.
i'm no zombie, but i'm a national merit scholar - and i smoked the weed out. i stopped before i ever got OUT of high school, but not because it was "bad" or illegal. i just outgrew it. oh, kvsku(et al.): i don't care if my employer doesn't want me to do it. YOUR employer probably doesn't want you to smoke or use other tobacco products on the job either, do you follow that rule? if so, you can be lumped in with the other mindless workadays that are allowing the erosion of personal rights/responsibility under the guise of "public safety". the day i'm asked for a piss test, i'll get another job (and i'm cleancleanclean).
it's really sorry that so many of us on here take this as such a slap. these MEN are old enough to make their own (poor?) choices without us really having a damned thing to say about it. they served us well. leave it alone.
September 3, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 (anonymous) says...
i agree bringheatwave. It definitely was a poor mistake by them. It's one thing to smoke it if you have nothing to loose, but these guys just got into the nba and if it would have been a worse situation they could have lost everything. They are lucky they got away with punishment they got. I have a lot more respect for brandon, even if he does smoke pot, he probably is a lot smarter about smoking it than these guys were.
September 3, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
MILFdestroyer (anonymous) says...
Who cares?! EVERYONE in the league blazes trees. National Champs baby Rock Chalk we love you Mario and DA!!
September 3, 2008 at 11:05 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
stupidmichael (anonymous) says...
Addition issues? I had those in school...
Not rehab.
September 3, 2008 at 11:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jaybate (anonymous) says...
Responses to the disciplining of Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur for possession of marihuana at rookie transition camp are fascinating.
My favorite variety is the one that implies something more or less like this: "didn't you realize most KU players smoke weed?"
From this I can only infer that most expect this year's team will be smoking weed, too. This expectation raises some interesting questions. To wit:
Are games when the team is exceedingly lethargic (as happened several times last season) now to be attributed to playing high, or playing post-high?
Are games where a player's head does not appear to be in the game, or where a player does not appear able to concentrate during a game (both of which occurred repeatedly with Darrell Arthur), are these behaviors now to be attributed to a player being high, or post-high?
Should we expect different levels of play at different away games based on the strength of the weed available at various away venues? For example, when the team plays away games in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, where the marihuana is reputedly apt to be a more potent variety imported from Mexico, than the weaker stuff grown locally in places like Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska, should we expect our players to be more wacked out, than when they play in Ames, or in Lincoln, or Manhattan? Will the team be higher on the road, or at home? Will the post-high air head experience be greater in Austin and lesser in Stillwater? Or has pot strength pretty much standardized and so the pot intensity factor is really not a factor at all?
What about when parents send their children to Coach Self's basketball camps staffed by KU players? I guess parents need to start counselling their 12 year old children about how to interpret the players demeanor? Little Davey, if the KU player is smiling and giddy and kind of spacey at camp, then he is jacked on weak stuff from Kansas fields and he will not get upset if you screw up. But, Little Davey, if the KU player is walking around claiming to see menacing people behind the backboard that aren't there, then he's on Tucson grass, or Thai sticks, and you should go find another player on local Kansas stuff to pick up a few pointers from? Or should parents instruct Little Davey to look for a VERY busy, fast talking player--a player supplementing his huna habit with some crystal meth, so that perhaps that player will teach Little Davey more in a very compressed period of time?
Heck, if most of the players are flamers Bogarting the last clip of la cuccarocha, then that pretty much explains certain players weight problems, doesn't it? Man, Player A should have been working out, but, well, the gang in the hood fronted Player A some serious stuff, anticipating a draft lottery payback potential, then the player got mega munchies so bad over the summer that he couldn't zip-lock the Lays and parked 20 pounds on his onion.
September 4, 2008 at 12:37 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jaybate (anonymous) says...
Hey, I am beginning to be really glad Mario and Darrell got caught and certain posters here wised us naives up. We're all going to be much better informed fans now. We're going to be able to say, hey, don't worry about the uneven performances from October to January, man, they're just bong rippin' there way through the drudgery part of the schedule. Come March, man, they'll park the pipes in their rigs, flush the leaves, and forego profits on sales briefly and play like non air heads till Madness ends.
Somehow, this is not my idea of KU basketball; this is not why I continue to care about it; not why I tell my kid about "the legacy."
Coach Eddie Sutton had a potato alchohol monkey on his back down in Stillwater and some of his players drank no doubt. Would the posters on this board so hip to the MaryJane trips of KU players (oh, I feel so retro today, you know, everything old is new again) that they would have us believe that Coach Self's spare tire is from a bad case of the munchies too?
I don't want to back a program where the Jayhawk emblem at center court needs to be repainted, so that the Jayhawk has a lid in its shoe laces and a quick wrap in its beak. You dig?
During my four years at KU, which were what I would call less than vintage years of KU basketball, and a time when drugs were cool, I observed serious huna use by a significant group of players. That group of players never came close to being the best that they could be by the way. The users and the nonusers did form a divide on the team, from what little I could tell. The heavy users apparently couldn't cope with the pressures of big time sports in honkeyland and they did appear to be using huna as some kind of an escape, though maybe it was just a habit they brought with them from back home. And by the end of the years I witnessed, I was pretty disillusioned with a significant group of KU basketball players. I thought they had robbed themselves and the school of what could have been some great play and some enduring contributions to "the legacy." BUT EVERY PLAYER ON THOSE TEAMS WAS NOT A HEAVY USER AND I CAN'T SWEAR HOW HEAVY THE USERS USED. YA FOLLOW?
But if most of the players on last year's team were flamers, or whatever the new term for users is, I am very sad for those players. Even though they won the ring, even though they had a great season, even though we cheered them like conquering heroes, neither they nor we will ever know how good they really could have been had they played straight.
September 4, 2008 at 12:39 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jaybate (anonymous) says...
Tons of players have played drunk, and high, and strung out, and sped up, and paranoid, and crashed, and still performed well; that is not the point. Great athletes can abuse themselves in all sorts of way and still perform at amazingly high levels. What they cannot do when they are abusing themselves with substances mild or mean is discover how good they can actually be. And IMHO the ONLY thing other than making big money (if one is lucky enough to do so) that makes sports worth the drudgery and sacrifice is to discover just how good one can be.
One poster claimed that Paul Pierce smoked like a chimney. If true, perhaps KU would have won a ring if he hadn't. Perhaps Boston would have won more rings if he hadn't. We'll never know, will we?
Another poster claimed Kirk Hinrich smoked big time. Maybe he would have won a ring at KU had he not. Maybe the Bulls wouldn't have needed to draft Rose, if Hinrich could have played just a little better were he straight. We'll never know, will we?
Maybe KU's national championship team smoked like chimney's too. Perhaps they would have gone undefeated had they not. We'll never know, will we?
And of course, maybe the posters who claim KU basketball players are a bunch of flamers are wrong. Everyone thinks when they see players a few times, or (I suppose) smoke with them a few times, up close and personal, that they know what those players are really like. For a time I felt like I knew what some of