Originally published September 3, 2008 at 02:21p.m., updated September 4, 2008 at 12:00a.m.

Report: Chalmers, Arthur caught with marijuana at NBA camp

Chris Broussard of is reporting Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur have been kicked out of the NBA's Rookie Transition Program for violating program rules.


The NBA careers of former Kansas University basketball standouts Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers are off to stormy starts, to say the least.

Memphis Grizzlies power forward Arthur and Miami Heat point guard Chalmers were dismissed from the NBA's rookie transition program Wednesday for violating unidentified league rules. and ESPN The Magazine reported that the two were caught with marijuana and women in their Doral Arrowwood resort hotel room Tuesday night in Rye Brook, N.Y. The program began Wednesday morning in the New York city suburb.

ESPN sources said Arthur and Chalmers were fined $20,000 apiece and might start the regular season on the suspended list. They also face possible disciplinary action from their teams. quoted a source saying NBA commissioner David Stern was "livid" at the two for violating rules at a four-day seminar in which coaches, referees and former NBA players speak to rookies about adapting to the league.

Issues addressed include life skills, financial planning, importance of character and image, the difference between NBA and NCAA game rules, legal issues and media relations.

"I'm extremely disappointed ... and disappointed is putting it mildly," Memphis Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley told the Memphis Commercial-Appeal. "We're going to have a very serious discussion with Darrell and his agent. We're going to make sure he understands very clearly what the guidelines are. We'll see how that discussion goes and go from there."

A source told the Commercial-Appeal that Arthur and Chalmers "initially refused security entry into the room, prompting police officers to become involved."

The paper said it was not known if the players or the women in the room possessed the marijuana. No one was arrested.

The Miami Herald in its online editions Wednesday night said police were called to the the resort at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday after hotel security reported the smell of marijuana coming from a guest room.

No arrests were made because no evidence of marijuana was present when police arrived at the hotel to investigate, a police official requesting anonymity told the Herald.

"I'm disappointed Darrell showed poor judgment," Grizzlies' general manager Chris Wallace told the Commercial-Appeal. "Darrell is a good person. I still feel Darrell will go on and do a lot of good for himself and the organization. We'll deal with this when he gets back (to Memphis)."

The Miami Herald reported that both players could be subject to enrollment in the NBA's substance abuse program. Both will have to repeat the orientation program next September.

"We are investigating the situation and will have no further comment at this time," Miami Heat spokesman Tim Donovan said.

Chalmers' agent, Sam Goldfeder, told the Associated Press: "I'm in the process of investigating what exactly is going on."

The NBA told the Miami Herald the players were sent home "because they are prohibited from having guests in their hotel room during the program."

"The players were sent home for violating program rules," NBA spokesman Tim Frank told the AP. "They will be appropriately sanctioned and will have to repeat the program next year."

The New York Times reports that the last player to be sent home from the orientation program was Ron Artest in 1999.

Arthur was chosen at No. 27 in the first round of the 2008 NBA Draft by New Orleans and was traded three times on draft night before landing in Memphis. Chalmers was the fourth pick of the second round by the Minnesota Timberwolves and was traded to Miami, where he is expected to fight for the starting point guard position.

KU's Bill Self, who coached Chalmers three years and Arthur two seasons, issued a statement:

"We really don't know all the facts yet, and I certainly would never comment publicly on any personal matter concerning any player I have ever coached. Beyond that, I can say that both Mario and Darrell were great to coach. They played a huge role in our success the past few years, in large part due to their unselfishness and the sacrifices they made for our program," he said.


shabbasuraj 12 years, 9 months ago

wow that sux..what a way to start your rookie season..suspended...

jayhwkroks 12 years, 9 months ago

I guess fame and money doesn't take long to get to your head!!!

longhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

I don't care if they smoked pot. It was just stupid to do it at the very camp where they try to teach you how NOT to get in trouble off the court.

jaybate 12 years, 9 months ago

Tons of players have played drunk, and high, and strung out, and sped up, and paranoid, and crashed, and still performed well; that is not the point. Great athletes can abuse themselves in all sorts of way and still perform at amazingly high levels. What they cannot do when they are abusing themselves with substances mild or mean is discover how good they can actually be. And IMHO the ONLY thing other than making big money (if one is lucky enough to do so) that makes sports worth the drudgery and sacrifice is to discover just how good one can be. One poster claimed that Paul Pierce smoked like a chimney. If true, perhaps KU would have won a ring if he hadn't. Perhaps Boston would have won more rings if he hadn't. We'll never know, will we?Another poster claimed Kirk Hinrich smoked big time. Maybe he would have won a ring at KU had he not. Maybe the Bulls wouldn't have needed to draft Rose, if Hinrich could have played just a little better were he straight. We'll never know, will we? Maybe KU's national championship team smoked like chimney's too. Perhaps they would have gone undefeated had they not. We'll never know, will we?And of course, maybe the posters who claim KU basketball players are a bunch of flamers are wrong. Everyone thinks when they see players a few times, or (I suppose) smoke with them a few times, up close and personal, that they know what those players are really like. For a time I felt like I knew what some of the players were really like when I went to KU. Bull bisquits. No body really knows these players even if they get together with them and mainline heroin every Friday night with them. Human beings are complicated creatures. They behave one way among friends. They behave another way with their coach. They behave another way with the team. They behave another way with their families. They behave one way with one girl and another way with another girl. They behave another way in the classroom. Another way at banquets. And another way in front of cameras.

Michael Auchard 12 years, 9 months ago

Always wondered how KU players get away with all the supposed pot they smoke. Apparently they don't just use goldenseal at the collegiate level.

jasonsgill 12 years, 9 months ago

@kcphantom-Just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong in the moral sense. Our country is one in which, currently, the government can 'legally' tap you phones without clear cause, and in which, formerly, slavery and denying women the right to vote were legal. Now, don't get me wrong, the above examples are for more grave then smoking marijuana. But that's the point, if you define your morals on governmental policies, then you are exposing a lack of moral integrity and condemning otherwise fine citizens without basis. If you can construct an argument as to why what these kids did was wrong outside of the the straw man: 'it is prohibited by the gov't' then I would be willing to listen. If the ONLY argument is that its prohibited then remember that Pres Clinton, Pres Bush, Barack Obama, and Sarah Palin have admitted to using Pot, while Bush and Obama have admitted to using cocaine.Please people, have standards. Don't pass judgment when you have no right.

Alex Lent 12 years, 9 months ago

smoked with B-Rush ....and Shady. Oh I'm just like them. dang.

bryan123456789 12 years, 9 months ago

i am still getting over how high i was after we won the national championship 2

bringheatwavewheat 12 years, 9 months ago

Simien does something positive after college and gets ridiculed. Seem like these guys get more praise than criticism so far. Sad. No, all college students don't smoke grass, so spare me that dumbass justification. Is it a heinous crime? No, but still a crime. I think as sports fans we shouldn't worship athletes as individuals but rather simply enjoy their on court achievements. College is really just a step stone for their own benefit. We live and die with our team for a lifetime, the players come and go. Case in point, Mario even said when he was drafted that it was a bigger deal to him than winning the trophy.

kvskubball 12 years, 9 months ago

I'm amazed at some of the comments, people saying there's nothing wrong with smoking pot. If it is both illegal and against your employer's rules, which it is, then it is stupid to do it. Not to mention the negative health effects. When I was in college I met someone who smoked a lot. He was like a zombie and his ability to communicate was seriously impaired. When you said something to him you had to wait and wait for him to respond.If the idea of a lesser evil exists, then the silver lining in this cloud of smoke is that they weren't doing coke and didn't end up dead like Len Bias.

djherbman 12 years, 9 months ago

God put every plant on the earth for a reason. Unfortunate what it may mean to their career but it's only because of an outdated counterproductive law. Even Sarah Palin admits using it.

GoBadgers 12 years, 9 months ago

Dumbasses is right. I can't really tell from the story, but they were either caught smoking in their hotel room, or marijuana was simply found in the room. If it was scenario 1, my question is, why didn't they go someplace a little more private? You know, go for a ride down some back streets. Something. If it was scenario 2, then well, they need to learn how to hide their weed better. If they just haphazardly left it on the bedside table and someone found it, then that's poor form. Poor form.

97jhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

Mario!! Darrell!!! It's 4:11!! Smoke 'em if you got 'em!! Well, you might not have it anymore...haha!

kltbadboyz 12 years, 9 months ago

So much for starting off on the right foot. Looks like they will start out on the bench. Try not to get caught next time.

Larry Smith 12 years, 9 months ago

I guess I will wait to hear the results of the investigations before I chime in with an opinion.

bryan123456789 12 years, 9 months ago

where was rush? i was for sure he was a weed with all that new money they had some of the stickiest of the icky

doug_lemoine 12 years, 9 months ago

@jaybate: Stick to basketball, dude. I enjoy your analysis of the games, but you're off the mark here. Pot works for some people, just like nicotine, alcohol, green tea, and ibuprofen work for others. Pot hasn't become a huge social/political white elephant because it is debilitating; it's a huge deal because it works. These guys are in a variety of spotlights -- their families, the university, you and I, the media. C'mon! It's insane. Maybe they're able to perform because they know how to get separation from all this stuff.I'm not a burner apologist, by the way. I just think that (a) these guys clearly know how to take care of business, and (b) it's really none of anyone's business what they do on their own time, as long as it's not hurting anyone.Who knows? Maybe the insane expectations of their fans (i.e., you and I) would have overwhelmed them if they didn't have a way to get clarity and distance from it all? You say that "they didn't find out how good they could be?" How much better could they have been? They went through heart-break, played an insane Big 12 season, and then ran a gauntlet in the NCAAs? Maybe we should be thanking the international herb here?PS I think your terminology may be dated. I've never heard of "huna," and I live in Northern California.

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

jwliddell,"I wonder how the reaction of the KU community would've been had they been thrown out for just having women in their room?"I actually think that is what its all boiling down to now

kltbadboyz 12 years, 9 months ago

Beasley claimed he smoked but didn't enhale when he got caught and they let him go.

JayViking 12 years, 9 months ago

While it's bad rep, it's still just pot. Get over it. It's no different than what these kids do on campus here. Do you really think they JUST started smoking now?

CaramelMacchMan 12 years, 9 months ago

Yo B-Rush... now you dont do anything stupid like that!!

gutter 12 years, 9 months ago

Losers. Wait, I mean National Champions. Doubt they care much about embarassing KU. Wonder if Self will be asked if he knew they were pot smokers?

kansas22 12 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if Aqib was hiding under the bed... In reality, not that big of a deal. But, it's not a very good way to start off their careers. Hopefully these guys left out the best places to find weed in Lawrence when talking to the incoming freshman basketballers this year.

ameraidi 12 years, 9 months ago

THEY WERE SMOKING WEED!!!!! OH NO HOW COULD THEY!!!!GUESS WHAT YOU MORONS...SO DOES HALF THE POPULATION OF THE US!!!!Give us a f'in break, they were bangin and smokin weed....sounds like a nice little initiation party to me. just jealous i couldn't be there with those guys

1977kufan 12 years, 9 months ago

Mario and Darrell, Is this the manner in which you are represent the University of Kansas? Does an NCAA National Championship mean anything to either of you? Do you have any idea how many other people work, help other people and genuinely try to represent this great University? Do you know that the majority of Jayhawks work their entire life and never see the money that each of you are or could be making? They don't "double dribble" (think of the two judgmental errors that you have made) through their "off court" life. Maybe you need to return to the University and try to obtain some "adult life skills". Oh well, they will never read this and even if they did, this will never "hit home" with them. What a sad epilogue this is to outstanding college careers.

Chris Weaver 12 years, 9 months ago

poor choices guys...bringing weed to the rookie orientation is like showing up drunk at a MADD fundraiser. it shows a lack of respect for the profession you are lucky enough to be a part of, and a lack of common sense that many of us have to adhere to every day in order to make it.don't smoke the stuff - don't have a problem with others smoking it - think the laws should be different - but they aren't - and you guys screwed eye for the hawks.

bryan123456789 12 years, 9 months ago

so national champions cant smoke weed? this isnt during the season so who cares, and why are you writing a post addressed to them they arent reading the crap we say on here. Them smoking weed does not mean they dont care about the national championship, so now everything they do wrong means they dont care about kansas?

Bob Zielinski 12 years, 9 months ago

I'm scared my kid my think it is okay for him to smoke pot at school with the other 10 year olds who are hitting the weed between music class and social studies. Mario and Shady getting caught means I might actually have to parent my son and teach him about right versus wrong, drugs ill effects on a young 10 year old mind, all that jazz.

ku98 12 years, 9 months ago

They got caught smokin' weed at the Rookie Orientation Camp. That's the real embarrassment. Beyond that, I don't think it is a big deal. Paul Pierce used to smoke pot like a chimney during his college days, and I doubt he stopped once he got to Boston. Smoking pot is like turning right at the red light without making a clean stop. It is illegal, but come on, most of us have been guilty at some point.

GoBadgers 12 years, 9 months ago

Big deal. I'm sure being in the NBA is stressful. You know, the money, the women, etc. Who wouldn't need a little Mary Jane to relax now and then? As long as they don't go all Ricky Williams and get crazy ideas and want to quit being an athlete all together, NBA officials shouldn't worry.

coupar 12 years, 9 months ago

I think that you all who are saying that its no big deal are missing the point. I agree, there are tons of athletes that smoke pot. The point is that they were at a mandatory NBA Rookie Transition Program! That is what is so stupid!

5DecadeHawk 12 years, 9 months ago

The Miami Herald is now reporting that:NO MARIJUANA WAS FOUND.Once again the LJW casts a story in the most negative light possible.Will they post a breaking news article to correct the misinformation that they have been reporting?

joedavis 12 years, 9 months ago

The Miami Herald has reported that was women, not marijuana."Miami Heat rookie point guard Mario Chalmers was sent home from the NBA's mandatory rookie transition program in New York on Tuesday for having women in his hotel room, an NBA source said."

funkitect 12 years, 9 months ago

funny, the doral arrowwood is the hotel we used for our wedding guests almost exactly a year ago. damn, if i would of just postponed my wedding a year, i could've been there to enjoy the festivities... ;-)

Jason Roberts 12 years, 9 months ago

From March Madness to Reefer Madness. I'd hate to think how often this when on during the last 2-3 seasons. Was that why the beat Memphis? Did half of our points in the championship game come as a result of being "high"?

yates33333 12 years, 9 months ago

What hath KU wrought? Stockton and Malone are much better men to emulate than Artest. Likewise read most of these comments. Hopefully KU is not associated with this.

bryan123456789 12 years, 9 months ago

they are college kids, they werent smoking crack or shooting up heroin, they were smoking some blunts probably. They should have just hit a country cruise in their new Benz then they would not be getting crusified on this board. I am proud of them to be honest. They are some of the most skilled potheads in the world. If there was an All-American team for pothead athletes they would be first team for sure. Way to go Mario and Darrell go have some fun, they deserve it they brought more joy into our lives this year than any player since danny manning and i was 1 year old then so i didnt get a whole lot of joy out of danny

bringheatwavewheat 12 years, 9 months ago

Why does every pot smoker on here act like an a-hole? Shut the hell up already.

Lance Hobson 12 years, 9 months ago

I just heard the report on ESPN Radio again. I wish this would just go away. Such an embarrassment...

jaybate 12 years, 9 months ago

Responses to the disciplining of Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur for possession of marihuana at rookie transition camp are fascinating.My favorite variety is the one that implies something more or less like this: "didn't you realize most KU players smoke weed?"From this I can only infer that most expect this year's team will be smoking weed, too. This expectation raises some interesting questions. To wit:Are games when the team is exceedingly lethargic (as happened several times last season) now to be attributed to playing high, or playing post-high?Are games where a player's head does not appear to be in the game, or where a player does not appear able to concentrate during a game (both of which occurred repeatedly with Darrell Arthur), are these behaviors now to be attributed to a player being high, or post-high?Should we expect different levels of play at different away games based on the strength of the weed available at various away venues? For example, when the team plays away games in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona, where the marihuana is reputedly apt to be a more potent variety imported from Mexico, than the weaker stuff grown locally in places like Kansas, Iowa and Nebraska, should we expect our players to be more wacked out, than when they play in Ames, or in Lincoln, or Manhattan? Will the team be higher on the road, or at home? Will the post-high air head experience be greater in Austin and lesser in Stillwater? Or has pot strength pretty much standardized and so the pot intensity factor is really not a factor at all?What about when parents send their children to Coach Self's basketball camps staffed by KU players? I guess parents need to start counselling their 12 year old children about how to interpret the players demeanor? Little Davey, if the KU player is smiling and giddy and kind of spacey at camp, then he is jacked on weak stuff from Kansas fields and he will not get upset if you screw up. But, Little Davey, if the KU player is walking around claiming to see menacing people behind the backboard that aren't there, then he's on Tucson grass, or Thai sticks, and you should go find another player on local Kansas stuff to pick up a few pointers from? Or should parents instruct Little Davey to look for a VERY busy, fast talking player--a player supplementing his huna habit with some crystal meth, so that perhaps that player will teach Little Davey more in a very compressed period of time?Heck, if most of the players are flamers Bogarting the last clip of la cuccarocha, then that pretty much explains certain players weight problems, doesn't it? Man, Player A should have been working out, but, well, the gang in the hood fronted Player A some serious stuff, anticipating a draft lottery payback potential, then the player got mega munchies so bad over the summer that he couldn't zip-lock the Lays and parked 20 pounds on his onion.

JJHawq 12 years, 9 months ago

smoked w/ gooden many times - did shrooms w/ lester earl...

bryan123456789 12 years, 9 months ago

some of the best basketball players i know smoke weed, it an herbal remedy, and side affects include being calm enough to drain 3's in games when it matters most ala memphis and texas, o and texas again. He didnt have ice water flowing through his vains during those shots the boy was just blazed!!! lol

esubrett 12 years, 9 months ago

When this story initially broke Beasley was mentioned as in the room but not involved. Now ESPN took that part out of the story and there is no mention of him at all. A little odd.

PPhhoogg 12 years, 9 months ago

Hey!!! Lets not worry too much about them guys. They left KU before graduating, so I don't consider them Jayhawks anymore!!

12 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if this will have any impact on Mario's jersey retirement. I guess it would hinge on whether criminal charges are filed and if there is a conviction of some sort.

JJHawq 12 years, 9 months ago

all that being said - this was a very stupid move on their part...

stravinsky 12 years, 9 months ago

Thank you, jason, saved me the effort. Some of you guys are ridiculous. You DO realize that pot smoking is what happens at colleges right? Would it be 'breaking news' for me to let you know that college students drink underage too? (Couldn't help but do the breaking news bit).That said, getting caught was stupid.

KEITHMILES05 12 years, 9 months ago

This doesn't reflect on KU at all. For the posters who are crying their eyes out because "it makes KU look bad".......grow the hell up.These guys are in the NBA.

Topside 12 years, 9 months ago

Hey Lebowski, er, Dude. I think he meant the first sentence as Sarcasm. "Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a REAL useful invention!"

Gordon Penny 12 years, 9 months ago

My dear God, the NBA has got to get over pot smokers!!!

shelleysue 12 years, 9 months ago

I realize that it's "only" pot, and yes we've all done stupid things. But I really have a problem when someone has been given an incredible gift and they respond by being stupid and disrespectful. Risking this opportunity over something so ridiculous is extremely STUPID and disappointing.

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

wcormode,I think u mean Josh Howard for the Mavs

HawkFanEddie 12 years, 9 months ago

How does everyone "pass" their drug test while at KU...then suddenly fail when they go to the pros???

brianharold9 12 years, 9 months ago

No way... these guys smoke weed? who would have ever thought that. In Lawrence, it is a $250 fine. Guess its a little different in other cities. This is dumb.

Vic Janeway 12 years, 9 months ago

LIsten Chamberlain was a sex fean(msp)lucky he doesnt have aids like magic does, from so many sex parties, so the boys joined a party that had some smokers there, gesus how many have you been to with drugs there?! If those women wanted me I be there tooo, let it go, the NBA will punish them and that will be a good thing, only go to parties where u know everyone.....gesus folks

jasonsgill 12 years, 9 months ago

@Strikewso-, I'm not saying we should celebrate marijuana use, or that it is something that should be done. But (check the link above from the National Institutes of Health) about 98 million Americans over the age of 12 have used the 'drug'.Now I don't know what your definition of 'vast majority' is but (at the lowest estimate, excluding kids under 12) 60% is not a 'vast majority'. Just don't condemn these kids or their achievements. They, not you, contributed to the NC, they, not you, brought so much good press and money to KU. And its only people like you who take this as a negative association with KU. I'll continue to claim these guys as Jayhawks long into the future.

jasonsgill 12 years, 9 months ago

Agreed, terrible decision to do it at the camp, irresponsible, sure. Still though, be proud of what these guys accomplished and don't pretend that this makes them bad people or devalues anything they achieved (along with the rest of players and staff)

Joe Ross 12 years, 9 months ago

Yes, KU. You are right. And jaybate and others are right too!But there is HOPE in all of this!The great hope is that Mario and Darrell will both learn from this and become better men.

Craig Lang 12 years, 9 months ago

I agree with coupar. Basically there were two simple rules that the boys were required to follow while at this camp:1. No visitors, and 2. No drugsThey broke both rules. End of story. Yes, I am relieved to hear it was only pot and not something more serious (i.e. cocaine or heroin), but the fact is that all these boys had to do was follow two simple rules to stay in the good graces of the NBA, and they broke those rules. As a fan of both Chalmers and Arthur (who I will still support), I am embarrassed for them today.

yovoy 12 years, 9 months ago

they could be soused on cocktails in their rooms, and the owners of the teams can get a couple of dozen of their closest "friends" drunk in their skybox, and the league would be okay with it. but damned if the players can smoke mari, and just be ignored. i haven't smoked weed in 23 years, and i'm not a hippy-dippy legalize it person, but i tell you the rules/laws are dumb. so yeah, legalize it, or at least just look the other way.i grew up in the "just say no" eighties, and i never did say no back then, but the idea that uncle ronnie made our thinking on drugs and users of drugs so backward really boggles my mind. this guy CREATED half of the squares that are on this board; just brainwashed their parents and them. i'm no zombie, but i'm a national merit scholar - and i smoked the weed out. i stopped before i ever got OUT of high school, but not because it was "bad" or illegal. i just outgrew it. oh, kvsku(et al.): i don't care if my employer doesn't want me to do it. YOUR employer probably doesn't want you to smoke or use other tobacco products on the job either, do you follow that rule? if so, you can be lumped in with the other mindless workadays that are allowing the erosion of personal rights/responsibility under the guise of "public safety". the day i'm asked for a piss test, i'll get another job (and i'm cleancleanclean). it's really sorry that so many of us on here take this as such a slap. these MEN are old enough to make their own (poor?) choices without us really having a damned thing to say about it. they served us well. leave it alone.

kufankam 12 years, 9 months ago

I am with jaybate, jross....And to those who are trying to say, "they did not get caught with weed and no weed was found in the room... or they would have been charged".... what do you think they were doing when they refused to let security in?! flushing the evidence straight down the toilet. Unfortunately for them, they are starting their career off in the crapper as well.

irish2255 12 years, 9 months ago

They were just holding it for Beasley.

jhawks 12 years, 9 months ago

Sounds to me like they're transitioning to the NBA game quite well. What wrong here? The player or the game?

FortWorthJayhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

This is terrible! How dare they smoke weed in the privacy of their own hotel room! Don't they realize that they spat in the face of all of Jayhawk Nation!?!Seriously. Get real. They weren't hurting anyone. I don't see how it's any of our business what they do on their own time. They entertain us; maybe they should be allowed to entertain themselves sometimes...

jerhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

give the guys a break! i went to drug rehab and i've dealt with addition issues- so don't deem them, but give them a break, they were huge in the nat'l chmpionship run. don't give them hell-OKAY- ROCK CHALK SAYS CHALMERS AND SHADY!

Nutflush21 12 years, 9 months ago

Cant say that Im surprised... At least there are no legal consequences. Anyone know if Chalmers contract is guaranteed? If not hes pretty dumb take risks like that.

jaybate 12 years, 9 months ago

Human beings brains are not even fully formed until our mid 20s. You meet a KU player in his early 20s and what you see maybe the nearly finished neural net. You meet a KU player 21 or under and he is literally a work in progress speaking in terms of brain formation. Literally, this 18-21 year old with the big hands and incredible springs that some of you smoked with is not thinking and acting with full circuitas, just partial circuits. And if you were in that age range when you met that incompletely circuited player, you were probably incompletely circuited yourself. What the players do one time you meet them, or when you meet them every Friday night at the Wheel, is only mildly indicative of how they are the rest of the time, and only marginally indicative of who they will be in five years.Everyone needs to take a deep breath here and quit pretending to know these guys.Post Script: if any KU players read this, this is what I want to tell you: I hope you give up the weed and the booze, if you ARE doing it. I don't have a moral problem with marihuana or alchohol. I don't care if society decides to decriminalize huna and criminalize booze, or decriminalize both, or pretend neither exist. I don't use anything any more, so I just don't care about what society has to say about this stuff, because its not going to affect what I do. All I care about in this instance is you guys not blowing your only chance to see how good you can be as Jayhawk basketball players. I don't care if the entire team last year smoked and won the ring (if in fact that happened). They didn't find out how good they could be. They didn't really reach their potential. And trust me this once: reaching your potential in this life is the ONLY thing that lasts inside you. All fame is fleeting. All championships recede. All the money gets spent. All the babes wind up costing you more than they give you. The woman you marry and love often can't stand you. The kids you sweat and toil for can never repay you and rarely try to. Family and friends, try as they might to be loyal and faithful, inevitably are human and cannot always be there for you. But reaching your full potential, even once, it stays inside you for your whole life and reminds you of what was once and what could be again, if only you just keep trying. Don't listen to the weasels on this board and the flamers who want to get you down into the holes that they're in by saying everyone does it, man. Once you reach your potential, others who have done the same recognize you. They are an invisible brotherhood out there. its the only club worth being in. But it costs not less than everything to join.

jayhawkliz 12 years, 9 months ago

I heard Beasley was there also, but who knows. Stupid, stupid, stupid move. Young dumb and full of you know what!

Mr_Sandman 12 years, 9 months ago

Wow what do you know NBA players smoke weed. Tell me something I didn't know. At least they could have waited until they left rookie orientation. I don't really like the fact that two former KU players got caught doing something like this, but don't overreact and throw them under the bus. It just Maryjane people its not the end of the world.

Lance Hobson 12 years, 9 months ago

This is incredibly embarrassing. The vast majority of college students and normal people actually do not smoke weed, contrary to the pot heads who are asserting otherwise. I wonder how many other players on our championship team were doing this. I'm kind of glad they left.

2xhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

Sarah Palin does not approve of that message...

Joe Ross 12 years, 9 months ago

Jaybate is exactly right.I dont care how you slice it up, today is a sad day to be a Jayhawk. I see comments here saying "smoking weed is not so bad and everyone is doing it", but the fact is society has rules. You dont have to like those rules but ITS THE LAW! To advocate that their offense be ignored is to promote IN A SMALL WAY a lawless society. There will be people who disagree with that statement but the fact is THEY KNEW it was illegal and they CONSCIOUSLY CHOSE to break the law. Thats the stark, simple truth.Can willful lawbreakers be esteemed so highly? Im in the camp of people who feel that this incident tarnishes the KU family. Im in the group who feels this is an embarrassment. Im saddened. Deeply saddened, and very troubled by all of this.

kltbadboyz 12 years, 9 months ago

Josh Howard thinks Mario and Shady are dumb.

bmcmich1 12 years, 9 months ago

quigley,Exactly. "Basketball players smoking pot. In related news, water is wet."It's no secret that a very large number of basketball players both at the college and pro level poke a little smot every now and then.I don't have any problem with with that, and I don't think these guys are stupid for smoking in general, I think they are stupid for smoking AT THE ROOKIE TRANSITION CAMP!!! C'mon, can't you wait like 4 days?? Then hell, go blaze all you want! Absolutely no common sense, sheesh...

William Cormode 12 years, 9 months ago

Cigarettes, Chew, and Alcohol are all worse for your health then weed but yet we continue this witch hunt. Will Dwight Howard be suspended to start the season?

JJHawq 12 years, 9 months ago

by the way - to the non-pot smokers - it's safer than alcohol by a LARGE margin. We waste a ton of money prosecuting marijuana of the most influential groups working to end prohibition of marijuana is current and former law enforcement officers. LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition. Google it and learn from those who enforced a bad law.

kltbadboyz 12 years, 9 months ago

Did anyone see that show one espn called something like hey rookie welcome to the nfl. Aqib was on there as well as Dorsey. Aqib could have his own reality show.

kcphantom 12 years, 9 months ago

Just because lots of people do it doesn't make it legal or right. This is exactly why they need to take the program again. To learn the responsible way to act. Dumb asses!

longhawk 12 years, 9 months ago

They weren't "kicked out" of the NBA Transition Program. They were granted advance placement credit. Clearly, they already understand life in the NBA.

Muska 12 years, 9 months ago

hey realize that your sentance is grammatically incorrect. So, in rerospect, I feel dumber after reading YOUR post. Get real...All of you 50 year old posters need to relax. Brandon Rush bought weed from my roomate over the summer, AFTER he was drafted. Like it or not, these guys are going to do what they want to do. And don't give me all this crap about untapped potential, ect. This is not 1965. Every elite athletic program has to cater to a certain type of athlete to recruit well, and unfortunately that type of athlete runs hand in hand with good looking women, fast cars, weed, lavish spending, ect. Life in the fast lane, as you old guys would know it as. I agree that some of the posters here sound less than intelligent. However, when you (KU) ask where the "closet potheads" were during the national championship run...we were all right here. We just don't like to bring up our personal lives and what we do behind closed doors on an online college basketball board. Much less during the incredible title run that we all witnessed last March. Like it or not, I can guarantee you that almost EVERY TEAM in the top 25 has a habitual, or former habitual marijuana user on their roster. That doesn't make it right, and you don't have to condone it, but that is the truth. I appreciate everything those two have done for my university and I wish them well in ALL future endeavors, on or off the court. If they want to smoke a blunt with each other, fine. No skin off my ass. These guys have earned the right (and rightfully so) to do what they feel like doing with their spare time. I know that it was a stupid mistake to do this at a camp that teaches players how to avoid these types of distractions, but if this occured at any othetr time during the season it would be a blip on the proverbial radar, instead of the giant, collective public temper tantrum that some of you are throwing. Knowing these two, I bet they learn from it, and eventually become better players and NBA spokesman because of it. A lot of people smoke pot. The soldiers, doctors, teachers, and 2008 mens basketball national champions of America all have a percentage of their members that smoke. Get over it.

walkdog262 12 years, 9 months ago

Who cares? Everybody in the NBA smokes weed. The only guys who didn't were John "Hairy Chest" Stockton and Karl "The Redneck" Malone! That league is led by hypocrites.

jasonsgill 12 years, 9 months ago

Right, not a big deal as long as there are no suspensions.Poor judgement in putting yourself in a position to get caught is the main thing.

Brandon Winkler 12 years, 9 months ago

well that stinksdumb decision but even beyond that, this is something you usually see come out of columbia. hopefully it gets resolved and they can have bright careers

Bruce Bedene 12 years, 9 months ago

Get a life who are judging these two need to look in a mirror and ask yourselfs if you have ever done something you should not have done..... they are human like the rest of us.....nobody is perfect....hope they learn from this poor judgement and move on with their lives

kufaninomaha 12 years, 9 months ago

I think all of you who are saying oh this person bought it from me or whoever shut up before you get someone in leagle touble. Like any of us care oh you know him and he got that from you wow that makes you so special. Now they broke the rules thats it. Is weed that bad no. But rules are rules and the messed up on both.

brooksmd 12 years, 9 months ago

Well when your 10 year old son gets caught toking at school because he, like thousands of other Kansas kids, sees Mario and Darrell as role models and says "if they can do it why can't I", I hope you all pat him on the back and say "way to go son." Only weed huh? Hmmm, pockets full of money, on the road, bored. Let's try something with a little more kick. Ask Josh Hamilton. What a couple of idiots.

Topside 12 years, 9 months ago

BTW- Nice Cypress Hill and Friday References.

msthompson37 12 years, 9 months ago

ever heard of blowing it in a tube filled with fabric softener? No big deal but guys be smarter next time

Andy Hess 12 years, 9 months ago

i hate that professional athletes caught with pot is considered front page news.i hate it even more when the athletes are former KU basketball players.

cmill12 12 years, 9 months ago


Joe Ross 12 years, 9 months ago

I think it's obvious that people who are reasonably and fair-minded that those dismissing Chalmers' and Arthur's actions show themselves as fools. KU expressed the matter very clearly when he states that the opposing viewpoint to reason is, "Prohibition of weed is a dumb law that we don't like, so we can break the law."I thought approx gave the strongest rebuttal to this position when he set forth the following quotes:1. "One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.2. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson3. "The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." - Thomas JeffersonBut I go back to KU's assertion and mix in my own thought to say that JUST BECAUSE WE DONT LIKE A LAW DOESNT MEAN IT'S UNJUST. Im not a professor of Constitutional Law, but I can say that limitations of some freedoms are necessary to live in a harmonious society. Someone said in these posts that statistics show marijuana doesnt cause as many problems as alcohol. But statistics also show that because alcohol is legal it's usage far outweighs the usage of marijuana. So theres the question of opportunity. If marijuana were legalized does anyone honestly think that there'd be LESS problems with it (excluding LEGAL problems, of course)? Only a fool would say yes.Apart from this, no matter what your opinion is and how skewed the law seems to be, limitations of freedoms are legislated thousands of times over in the laws of this land. One person may not like paying taxes, but you just cant NOT pay or youd be carted off to jail. Ask Wesley Snipes. Thats just the truth.

Joe Joseph 12 years, 9 months ago

Addition issues? I had those in school...Not rehab.

Marcia Parsons 12 years, 9 months ago

I don't really care about the marajuana issue one way or another. What I hate is that I was hoping Mario would earn the starting point guard position for next season. He has put that in serious jeopardy because the Miami admin and coaches will now question his judgment and reliability--two things you like to be able to count on in a point guard.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 12 years, 9 months ago

i agree bringheatwave. It definitely was a poor mistake by them. It's one thing to smoke it if you have nothing to loose, but these guys just got into the nba and if it would have been a worse situation they could have lost everything. They are lucky they got away with punishment they got. I have a lot more respect for brandon, even if he does smoke pot, he probably is a lot smarter about smoking it than these guys were.

Topside 12 years, 9 months ago

Hey we should be getting all the top recruits if KU is now perceived to be "weed friendly" That's like a moth to a flame.

kltbadboyz 12 years, 9 months ago

Im not sure if Mario and Shady smoked before every game but I know i blazed. It was so fun to watch, didn't miss a single game. I'd like to think that was the reason we won the Title.

Keith Kienzle 12 years, 9 months ago

"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws." - DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR."If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson"The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive." - Thomas JeffersonIf our founding fathers hadn't broken the law, we would still all be British. British books written at the time labeled them all as treasonous villains. If Martin Luther King Jr hadn't been a leader in the civil rights movement, perhaps equal rights would not have gotten as far as it has gotten today.Not all laws are just, nor should they be followed arbitrarily simply because they have been imposed upon you. For those who think that what these kids did was wrong because of their actions and not the TIMING of their actions, picture something you enjoy - coffee maybe - and then imagine if it was illegal. Do you think that you pursuing that thing you enjoy, the illegality of which seems nonsensical to you, is morally wrong? And if you think so, how many of the great philosophers would agree with you?

David Friend 12 years, 9 months ago

still getting over the "high" of winning a national championship!!

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

i am still getting over how high i was after we smoked 2 pounds of grassenough with the cheesy one liners... at least its not meth

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

How do we know it wasnt the visitors weed??? And I do know that they were probably flushing the stash when security was waiting outside... My point is that although they most likely had weed, we cant automatically throw them under the bus... Its like the whole no body=no murder thing... As for the women in the room, who cares??? Go ahead and get some random butt fellas... Next time, just make sure they have a balcony or back door to sneak outSigned,Pothead/ Random Ass-Getter

quigley 12 years, 9 months ago

I think some of you would be shocked if you really knew how many great players at KU have smoked a little. I guess If it makes you feel better to beleive these are the only two, then more power to you. At least you can be confident that Paul Pierce never smoked when he was here....riiiiiiggghhhttttt......

tis4tim 12 years, 9 months ago

Well said, KU...except for the jumping off a bridge stuff. I heard that way too much growing up :D

FSUJHAWK 12 years, 9 months ago

I'll chalk this up to youthful and celebrity indiscretion. Hopefully this was a one time experiment. If not, then I can see the weed and women (sex) leading to unwanted babies, disease and manipulation. These kids are young celebrities with money and I can see men and women preying on them. I believe this particular topic this was on the agenda at the rookie transition program.Hopefully these kids will learn from their mistake and will not be as stupid next time. I was embarrassed and shocked at the news to tell you the truth. However I try to remember that no one is perfect and I also try to remember that the law is the law, albeit a stupid law.Come on young guns. Be smart, respectful and love yourself and family (that includes all affiliated with KU and most of us on this blog).

tis4tim 12 years, 9 months ago

Bright side: ESPN will definitely cover Kansas basketball now.Seriously, what a couple of dumb@sses. Simply baffling.

Jim Jackson 12 years, 9 months ago

Who cares?! EVERYONE in the league blazes trees. National Champs baby Rock Chalk we love you Mario and DA!!

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

there was no weed law or rule that was broken... its all media hype and KU fans worrying about the image of the university

jhawkpb23 12 years, 9 months ago

What the heck are they thinking? They are being given one of the best opportunities of their life, and they do something stupid like that. Maybe if they would've stayed at KU, they would've come out mature enough to not do stupid crap like that.

KUglow 12 years, 9 months ago

They way everyone is acting all "whatever" about this story I can't believe someone hasn't played the "I can't believe they call this breaking news" card. I suppose that is coming.Right or wrong, they are held to higher standards then the rest of us potheads.

Topside 12 years, 9 months ago

Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey. Smoke Weed Everyday.

FlaHawk 12 years, 9 months ago

What an embarrassment to the KU MBB program. Forget the weed. This was not the rule broken and it was not why they did not let security in to the room. The rule broken was women in the room.This is not the Towers! The NBA has rules and Mario and Darrell both broke th e rules. They knew it or they would have let security in to the room.KU has players with great court sense, but not much common sense nor maturity in the real world. It says a lot about discipline and maturity in the KU program.I wonder if the suspensions will be without pay. Hope they don't get in the NBA druig program. They would now hold the record for quickest entry in history!The bright lights of Miami must have got in their eyes and else where :-)! Florida woman are an amazing bunch and not like their plains cousins at all!

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

they did not get caught breaking any LAWS... if they had they would have received a citation or been arrested... what they did break were league RULES... "dismissed from the NBA's rookie transition program Wednesday for violating unidentified league rules"... they had women in their room... big deal... they may have been high but nobody in the room was caught with pot... "The paper said it was not known if the players or the women in the room possessed the marijuana. No one was arrested. No arrests were made because no evidence of marijuana was present when police arrived at the hotel to investigate, a police official requesting anonymity told the Herald."... The NBA told the Miami Herald the players were sent home "because they are prohibited from having guests in their hotel room during the program."

KU 12 years, 9 months ago

I don't like arguing politics and law on a sports page. But the underlying "principle" held up by most of the pro-weed posters is indefensible in a rational, logical world. That principle has been put forth broadly in two parts: 1) "Everybody" does it, so what's the big deal?, and 2) Prohibition of weed is a dumb law that we don't like, so we can break the law. First let me say that I am not arguing the morality of smoking pot; I am only arguing the rule of law. I don't care whether pot is legal or not; I only care that we follow the law of the land as it currently stands.On point #1: As your parents told you time and time again: "Just because everybody is jumping off a bridge doesn't mean you should, too." On point #2: What if every US citizen held the belief that any law they deemed "dumb" could and should be broken? That's the logical conclusion of your insistence that prohibition of marijuana is a dumb law that should and could be broken, isn't it?What if you could never know whether the person on the left at a 4-way stop sign would yield to the person on the right because the person on the left thought the law was a dumb law? Multiply the effect of this mindset by the number of traffic laws and you would have anarchy on the streets!If you multiply the anarchy and confusion brought about by the disobedience of this one law by ALL the written laws in our country, you no longer have a civilization. You are left with everyone looking out for their own interests without a social contract.The principle that it is OK to disobey laws that you don't like erodes the social fabric. Ignoring the rule of law, even for what we consider an inconsequential law, sends the message that laws are made to be broken. It's a slippery slope. It's a hole in the dyke of society.Some have argued that our Founding Fathers advocated civil disobedience, but I would point out that there is no moral equivalence between breaking a law like "taxation without representation" and a law that prohibits the use of a mind-altering substance that some consider dangerous. If you can't see that point, maybe you have smoked too much grass!

KU 12 years, 9 months ago

PS......It took only one story involving weed for all the closet potheads to show up on this board. (Where were they when KU was making a championship run?) I feel much dumber after reading all their posts.

jaybate 12 years, 9 months ago

Hey, I am beginning to be really glad Mario and Darrell got caught and certain posters here wised us naives up. We're all going to be much better informed fans now. We're going to be able to say, hey, don't worry about the uneven performances from October to January, man, they're just bong rippin' there way through the drudgery part of the schedule. Come March, man, they'll park the pipes in their rigs, flush the leaves, and forego profits on sales briefly and play like non air heads till Madness ends.Somehow, this is not my idea of KU basketball; this is not why I continue to care about it; not why I tell my kid about "the legacy."Coach Eddie Sutton had a potato alchohol monkey on his back down in Stillwater and some of his players drank no doubt. Would the posters on this board so hip to the MaryJane trips of KU players (oh, I feel so retro today, you know, everything old is new again) that they would have us believe that Coach Self's spare tire is from a bad case of the munchies too?I don't want to back a program where the Jayhawk emblem at center court needs to be repainted, so that the Jayhawk has a lid in its shoe laces and a quick wrap in its beak. You dig?During my four years at KU, which were what I would call less than vintage years of KU basketball, and a time when drugs were cool, I observed serious huna use by a significant group of players. That group of players never came close to being the best that they could be by the way. The users and the nonusers did form a divide on the team, from what little I could tell. The heavy users apparently couldn't cope with the pressures of big time sports in honkeyland and they did appear to be using huna as some kind of an escape, though maybe it was just a habit they brought with them from back home. And by the end of the years I witnessed, I was pretty disillusioned with a significant group of KU basketball players. I thought they had robbed themselves and the school of what could have been some great play and some enduring contributions to "the legacy." BUT EVERY PLAYER ON THOSE TEAMS WAS NOT A HEAVY USER AND I CAN'T SWEAR HOW HEAVY THE USERS USED. YA FOLLOW?But if most of the players on last year's team were flamers, or whatever the new term for users is, I am very sad for those players. Even though they won the ring, even though they had a great season, even though we cheered them like conquering heroes, neither they nor we will ever know how good they really could have been had they played straight.

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 9 months ago

Yes, Role models should only drink booze...

klineisanazi 12 years, 9 months ago

Too bad, but I really don't care. If they don't do anything/don't get caught when they are at KU, who cares? They are on their own now, and if I were Self, I would just quit responding to inquiries about them. Gotta grow up sometime.

bringheatwavewheat 12 years, 9 months ago

Me and 'ol Roy used to burn the hippie lettuce with Raef and Hasse. You potheads are pathetic.

jaybate 12 years, 9 months ago

ralster,ER staff have a unique qualification to comment on this sort of thing. You get the results of our bad choices daily and attempt to repair us. Thank you for saying it better than anyone else on the board could have.

jayhawkinATL 12 years, 9 months ago

Way to represent fellas!!! Damn...think BEFORE you act!!!Idiots!!!Still love ya though for delivering us the N.C.

KU 12 years, 9 months ago

The LJW might want to change the headline if it has been confirmed that marijuana wasn't found in their room.

Mark Winkler 12 years, 9 months ago

lets make an example of them suspend them the year..lets clean is illegal.GO HAWKS

kufankam 12 years, 9 months ago

If there was never pot in that room, people from Chalmer's and Arthur's support group would be making that well known today. The fact that no one tied to Mario or Darrell is making an issue of the fact that no pot "was found" leads me to believe that there was weed in there. I doubt the NBA would fine them 20G for having a couple of ladies in their room. They messed up, they got caught, if it were being misconstrued, we would have heard about it from them by now.Hopefully, they are doing what they should be doing, learning from a boneheaded mistake. That is what we all have to do when we mess up. I have made plenty of stupid things in my life, and you just have to take lessons from it. Hopefully these two will learn from this as they were and still are great guys.

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 9 months ago

Yes, "potheads" are much more evil then drunkards...

Dan Pawlowski 12 years, 9 months ago

Oh my God, put them behind bars before they kill someone, oh the humanity...

ralsterKUMed95 12 years, 9 months ago

Its up to Mario and Darrell to learn about whats truly at stake and hopefully come out wiser. Same applies to alot of the reefer-lovers above(you know who you are). Approx above in his/her post quoted 4 famous people, but forgot that soundbites are dangerous because they can be taken out-of-context, as approx just did. Without saying it explicitly, approx is obviously trying to craft a conscientious objection to a particular law (marijuana is illegal), insinuating we are morally obligated to disobey. The flaw is that this would bring his desired action (go ahead and smoke weed) in direct opposition to the intent of the law--protect the public. Come on, people, for example: DUI does NOT JUST MEAN alcohol! Marijuana has been studied--abundantly clear that it slows reflexes which would make it dangerous, thus the illegality. Another danger to the reefin' population is that impurities laced within the product could have serious health risks, leading to hospitalization, death, costs, wrecks, etc... You want to talk about addiction potential and low sperm counts related to that drug? Someone else posted a good legality-analogy: Ok, so if you dont like a traffic law--go break it. Repeatedly. See what happens. Test that hypothesis! I hope you can live through the adverse risks to learn from it, or you dont plow over some 4yr old in a parking lot you were too slow to react to- in the process of that "learning". How many years (9...) do I have to try to help someone's sufferring (driver and/or innocent bystander) in the ER from intoxicated driving to have taken my obvious position? Or see people in the clutches of desparate addiction, who have lost it all. But that will never happen to you--you can control it... I say all this, because it is obvious some of you (reeferheads) have not figured this out yet. Get busy and graduate. I have confidence your immature mind will evolve. OR, you can waste your own precious time and money, even if you counter that you do not drive under the influence. Its your life and potential to waste, not mine! Its a free country, isnt it? Choices, choices! Yeah, we've all done stupid stuff, but learn and move on. And yes, college often is about "questioning the status quo/establishment", but try not to make yourself look pathetically silly/uninformed/irresponsible/immature on a comment board(!) defending something illegal! How is THAT part of the Jayhawk "tradition of excellence"? What exactly are you in school for? Whatever Mario and Darrell did or didnt do just embarassed alot of us in the KU nation. Like Self, I will certainly support those two as long as I think that I can. I am just embarrased some of you are trying to defend illegality--what if some non-KU person read your comments? We expect better. Defend something worth defending and that is not illegal (hint). I want all 'Hawks to feel proud of themselves one day--those in the limelight and all the rest of us too. Be a winner.

Don Everett 12 years, 9 months ago

Unbeliveveable!! Anyone on this post who acts like it's OK or not a big deal what these 2 have done or been accused of are exactly what's wrong with things now days. If this had happened to a mizzou or ksu student athlete, each one of you would have hammered them. It is a big deal. It's illegal regardless of how "innocent" it may seem. Just like underage drinking is illegal, and getting away with it doesn't make it right. Just because it's in college doesn't mean it's OK either. Does that mean rape is OK? No, but that happens at college also. Put yourself in a parent position. Would you want this exposure for your child? It doesn't matter if you're in the NBA, NFL or just a college student, the exposure still sucks. I know I will be hammered on this, but if you get beyond your blinders and look at the big picture, you should agree this is not a good thing. Other coaches will use this against KU in recruiting. Don't think that won't hurt in some aspect or another. I hope they both realize the mistake they made and move on to a better life, because want it or not, they are role models of a lot of young KU fans.

Drew Bender 12 years, 9 months ago

kufankam,I have been saying all last night and today that there was never any weed found, but they or somebody else in the room had probably still been smoking before security came... Although nothing was found they know they are still guilty of it and are probably trying to stay out of the media as much as possible right now

Vic Janeway 12 years, 9 months ago

Yea arthur and chambers are bad, what were they doing with those angels? my my power has gone to their heads, Im 50 and I always see power going to peoples head, from a 1 yo to a 80 yo, its always happening.

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