Sunday, October 19, 2008

Kansas falls three spots to 19 in AP Top 25, Texas stays in first


After a 45-31 loss at Oklahoma, Kansas dropped three spots to No. 19 in the AP Top 25 released Sunday.

Texas, coming off a runaway victory against Missouri, was a unanimous No. 1.

The Longhorns received all 65 first-place votes from the media panel, the first team to do that in the regular season since Ohio State during the last four weeks of the 2007 season.

Last week, Texas had 39 first-place votes and Alabama received 26.

But Texas jumped out to a 35-point, first-half lead on its way to a 56-31 rout of Missouri on Saturday night, and the Crimson Tide hung on to beat Mississippi 24-21. The voters rewarded the Longhorns for their dominance and Alabama remained No. 2.

Texas had grabbed the No. 1 ranking a week earlier with a 45-35 victory against previously top-ranked Oklahoma.

"We told them that everybody questioned if they could win two weeks in a row," Texas coach Mack Brown said after the Missouri game. "I'm really proud of the way they responded and now we have to do it again next week."

Last weekend was a good one for most highly ranked teams as only one top-10 team lost. The rankings reflected the results. The top six remained the same.

Penn State is No. 3, followed by Oklahoma, Florida and Southern California.

Big 12 rivals Oklahoma State and Texas Tech swapped spots. The Cowboys moved up to No. 7, heading into their big game against the Longhorns. The Red Raiders dropped to eighth.

Georgia moved up one spot to No. 9 and No. 10 Ohio State is back in the top 10 for the first time since its lopsided loss to USC in September. The Buckeyes beat Michigan State 45-7 to set up a Big Ten showdown with Penn State in Columbus on Saturday.

BYU was the lone top-10 team to lose, falling 32-7 on Thursday night at TCU. The previously unbeaten Cougars dropped nine spots to No. 18. TCU jumped back into the poll for the second time this season, all the way to No. 15.

LSU was No. 11, followed by unbeaten Utah, Boise State, South Florida. Missouri dropped five spots to No. 16 after its second consecutive loss. Pittsburgh is No. 17, followed by BYU, Kansas and Ball State.

There was a serious shake up at the bottom of the rankings, with five new teams moving into the final five spots.

No. 21 Georgia Tech is ranked for the first time since early last season. No. 22 Tulsa (7-0) is ranked for the first time since 1991. The Golden Hurricane's move into the Top 25 means Tulsa, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are all ranked for the first time in 63 years.

On Nov. 12, 1945, Oklahoma A&M; (now Oklahoma State) was No. 8, Oklahoma (5-3) was tied for 14th and Tulsa (4-2) was No. 19.

No. 23 is Boston College. No. 24 Florida State moved back into the rankings for the second time this season and No. 25 Minnesota is in the AP poll for the first time since Oct. 9, 2005.

Dropping out were three Atlantic Coast Conference teams - Virginia Tech, Wake Forest and North Carolina - along with Vanderbilt, Michigan State and California.


Drew Bender 11 years, 7 months ago

Reasonable... It was at OU... KU did hang around for a little while

LAJayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

The fact that we are still leading the Big 12 North suggests that we should be in the top 25. That along with the fact that we lost in Norman, and it was a relatively close game up until about halfway through the 3rd quarter makes the #19 a reasonable spot.We still control our own destiny. Hopefully the defense buckles down in practice this week, and the secondary figures out how to play football. Otherwise TTech could put up 70 on us.......

woodhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

Agreed. One of only two 2-loss teams in top 25, so I'm okay with 19 for now. We really need to take care of things next weekend against T.Tech though if we still want to win the north. That means playing better D in the secondary and not getting into a shooting match. If it's a track meet, we lose.

jhwkfaninca 11 years, 7 months ago

It Oct 27, 1984 and OU was ranked #3. KU won 28-11. I was there and it was like we had just won the national championship!

hutchjayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

Dont count on it, not with Bowen in charge of the defense. The guy's an idiot and is teaching our players the way they played defense when HE played...under Glen Mason.Mangino really should have done a more thorough search for DC when Bill Young left. Young was extremely underrated in our Orange Bowl run last season.

cffighter86 11 years, 7 months ago

Seems to me everyone is forgetting that OU did a great job of mixing the run and the pass in there game plan. Tech doesnt have a running back nearly as good as Murray is for OU, that will help out our defense because they can sit more on the pass and not have to worry to much about the run.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 7 months ago

I'd say we're still a bit under the radar, which is fine with me. Fortunately, we just need to take care of buisness the rest of the way, and we'll be even better.Neither TTech's running game nor their D will be as good as OU's. That being said, we'll still need to generate a pass rush, or Harrell will pick apart the secondary just as easily as Bradford, ...Hutch - Mangino didn't do a search when Young left. The change had been in the works for some time before last season when Bowen was made co-DC. My guess is that a search will take place following this season or next if improvements are not forthcoming.

sawman3333 11 years, 7 months ago

Imagine the setting at Memorial Stadium if we win out until the Texas game! Have we have ever beaten a #1 at home? (Assuming Texas wins out until then!)

741hawk 11 years, 7 months ago

I was in Norman, as well. KU played about as well as it could with the exception of three third quarter penalties and a mysterious lack of Jake during that same time frame.Bradford (without pressure) had the ability to always find the receiver without safety support.OU has 330 lb 6'8"/6'6" athletic left guard and tackle. The squished our DEs.And how do you cover 6"8' 265 lb tight ends (two of 'em) that run routes like WRs? More than anything, we were outmanned against Mangino's ability to "coach up."And, just like the CU game, the refs were awful. I mean AWFUL . . . both ways. The conference should be embarrassed . . . but I know they won't even notice.

JayViking 11 years, 7 months ago

Calling Bowen an idiot is not only premature but near blasphemy.Give the guy a chance will you? We lost some key personnel. We're having trouble getting pressure on the QB (which makes everyone look bad).If our defense is still struggling in a year or two after some reloading, then you can criticize the defensive coordinator. From what I see, I don't think he calls that bad of plays.

Lance Hobson 11 years, 7 months ago

We need to get past TT so we'll be bowl eligible. That's the most important thing right now. Once that's done, we can relax and go out and shock the world.

sdoyel 11 years, 7 months ago

KU can go 2-2 in the next 4 games and be in position to play for the Big 12 championship with a win over the Tigers. I like our chances.

beebe1 11 years, 7 months ago

Right. Don't call anyone an idiot or a moron. Bowen is a nice likeable guy -- but he doesn't get paid to be likeable. And the most valid criticism against him came from a friend who is a Pro defensive coordinator a couple or three weeks ago. His view was that his team and Bowen were poorly taught defense by the then co-ordinator. Every guy he trained showed up a failure in the pros (except the critic). He wasn't taught right, so I doubt there is any long term hope for him unless he works for a top notch guy. The best coordinator I've seen is the pro coordinator for Washington. At his price level, not much chance to get him -- how about his assistant?

troutsee 11 years, 7 months ago

We will beat TT.Agree with Hutch re: defense. With 9 of 11 starters back, we should be much better on that side of the ball.

sawman3333 11 years, 7 months ago

I know it's a bit of a stretch......but this is a great year for the Big XII Championship to be played at Arrowhead! We could be playing there 2 weeks in a row if we can take care of business. Whether it's MU or us playing Texas--we'll be HUGE underdogs, so maybe we could make it seem like a home game. All that being said....take care of business! Beat TTU.

truefan 11 years, 7 months ago

Honestly, with the key losses we had on defense last year it is really no surprise that we are having trouble stopping the pass. Bowen had just as much to do with that Orange Bowl defense as Young did and I think he is doing a great job considering we only have two field proven corners to work with. Powell will be great, but the kid is a true freshman and they can't all be instant starters like Talib and Harris. Parish is already a handful on the D-line and with a year under his belt he will be a force next year for the team. There is truly only one defensive set that I wish Bowen would give up on, but he has even switched that one up and made it a bit more successful. The set I'm refering to is the three down linemen and a blitzing linebacker on long third downs. That set has been giving quarterbacks all day to wait for an open receiver. He switched it up by putting three defensive ends on the line in hopes to blow past the slower interior linemen. It showed promise against Colorado, but OU is too good to be burned by it. Give him some time for his young talent to gain experience and if he isn't showing progress THEN I will call for his job, but until that day comes, just be a bit more patient.

JBurtin 11 years, 7 months ago

Forgive me beebe if the opinions of your friend of a friend of a friend that once knew somebody that shook hands with a guy that coached for a high school team in the same town as an NFL team doesn't mean a whole hell of a lot to me or anybody else.Bowen was groomed as our DC of the future for several years under one of the best men in the business.I don't know where you're getting your supposed insider knowledge of the situation, nor do I care.Mangino has coached champions.Mangino works with Bowen every day.Not even once this year has Mangino called Bowen's play calling into question.That's good enough for me and if your brains were half as big as your mouth it would be good enough for you too.

KU 11 years, 7 months ago

I'm with JayViking.....Recall 2006? Yes, that 2006. The one where we went 6-6 with Bill Young as our defensive coordinator? He suddenly became a genius in 2007 when we had a cupcake schedule (not counting the bowl game) and he had a couple of players that were once-in-a-generation players (Talib and McClinton).My point is that sometimes the coach is only as good as the players he has. We would likely have the same record right now if Bill Young was here because our defensive linemen are not quite there. There are a couple of young guys that have some promise on the line. If this defensive backfield had Talib, they would be every bit as good or better than last year. When your previous year's nickel back takes the place of an all-american and your backup corners are freshmen, you're going to struggle.You need to give Bowen a few years. He's NOT coaching the same schemes he played. From what I understand, they are essentially using the same schemes as they did last year.Having said all that in defense of Bowen, our defense needs to step it up this week! If we had a couple of takeaways against OU, we would have been right in the game. We have to force TT to punt and turn the ball over.

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