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Monday, October 6, 2008

Prep hoops forward torn between Memphis, KU

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Thomas Robinson, who made official basketball recruiting visits to Kansas University and Memphis two of the past three weekends, now faces the task of choosing between the two schools.

"Right now, it is even," Robinson, a 6-foot-8, 210-pound senior power forward from Brewster Academy in Wolfeboro, N.H., said Sunday night after completing his trip to Memphis.

"I'd say I like both. I'm just going to sit back and think about what school is best for me," added Robinson, who visited KU on Sept. 19-20.

Robinson - he said he may need up to two weeks to finalize his decision - said he won't be making any more campus visits. He had talked about visiting Southern California on Oct. 17-18 and in the past considered Texas, Miami, Maryland, Louisville, Georgetown, Seton Hall and others.

"It's Kansas and Memphis," said Robinson, who is Rivals.com's No. 18-rated player nationally. "Kansas made a strong impression on me. I felt very comfortable there, the same with Memphis.

"Memphis was a different area of the country. Outside that, there were not too many differences. The gyms are different. Memphis shares its with the Grizzlies," Robinson added of FedExForum, home of both college and NBA basketball. "Kansas' (Allen Fieldhouse) has a lot of history."

Robinson visited Memphis on the same weekend as Xavier Henry, a 6-foot-6 senior from Putnam City (Okla.) High, who will visit KU for the Oct. 17 Late Night in the Phog, then pick between the schools.

Memphis and KU are also in the running for point guard John Wall, a 6-4 senior from Word of God Christian Academy in Raleigh, N.C.

Wall visited KU the same weekend as Robinson. He has yet to set dates for visits to Memphis, Oregon and Baylor. He's also considering North Carolina State.

"It would be fun to play with them in college. I will not base my decision on the schools they go to," Robinson said.

¢ Henry update: Henry was interviewed by a batch of Memphis media members during his trip to the Conference USA school.

"It's been a good visit. I got to see my brother a lot," he said in an interview aired on Memphis Fox 13 TV. "I'm glad he's here and has an opportunity to play again. That's not going to influence my decision," he added of guard C.J. Henry enrolling at Memphis last month after his minor-league baseball season ended.

"I'd like to play with my brother, but it's nice to get out on your own, too. I want to play with him, and I don't. Either way, it's the same."

Henry said he hopes to choose a school "hopefully a week or two after both my visits, as quickly as possible."

Which school leads? "Nothing has changed," Henry told the Memphis Commercial Appeal newspaper. "It's still Memphis and Kansas. It's the same as it was last year and the year before that."

¢ Stephenson update: Lance Stephenson, a 6-5 guard from Lincoln High in Brooklyn, N.Y., who will wait until the spring to sign, will visit KU for the Oct. 17 Late Night in the Phog. Zagsblog.net reports that Stephenson also hopes to visit Memphis, Southern California and UCLA. He already has visited St. John's.

Comments

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn youngin',Come every day for a beating, if you like.Everyone loves a masochist.;-)

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

average...thats a student residence hall!!!

Billy Derringer 11 years, 7 months ago

Is it me or is every player we are going after memphis is right there? i never remeber going head to head so much in the same year with one school.

mojayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

I keep saying, it's the fact that Memphis shares facilities with the Grizzlies that is the appeal in Memphis. It certainly can't be the city! We need an NBA team in KC!

flipborder02 11 years, 7 months ago

In the full video X says that Kansas is a better school to get NBA ready. So I thought that was very interesting.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

mdalesh...I guarantee you some of the senior players would give up their scholarships to make room for these impact players. Some of them dont even need them and thats the Gods honest truth.flipborder...if truer words were spoken than in your last post, i havent heard them. you are right. Kansas is 100% better in prepping for the NBA. Big 12 competition vs. Conference USA cupcakes. hmm...I DONT KNOW???justanotherfan...another insightful post. Memphis came out of nowhere...SEVERAL YEARS AGO. NOT LAST YEAR. They are proving themselves a force to be reckoned with not only in terms of how far theyve been advancing in the NCAA tournament, but also in terms of attention theyre getting...recruits theyre getting...etc. People who speak only of our tradition vs. theirs is akin to the statement of "sitting on our laurels".

justanotherfan 11 years, 7 months ago

I'm a KU fan, but I'm surprised at the lack of respect that is being given to Memphis.They don't have our history (very few schools do), but they didn't just show up in the title game this year. They've been to 3 Final Fours, and advanced to the last three Elite Eights. As far as exposure, sure Memphis doesn't get much exposure during conference season, but they make up for it by playing a brutal non-con schedule, which means that while big time conference teams are playing mid majors at home, Memphis is tangling with Georgetown, Gonzaga and other top level teams. Last year Memphis was on national TV just about every week in December. The year before it was the same story. They aren't Kentucky, UCLA, or UNC, but they have some history, and more than that, the amount of history you need is limited. Remember, you're recruiting 18 year olds, not 50 year olds. These kids weren't even BORN when we won in 1988, but they can probably clearly remember us getting bounced in the first round two straight years, just like they remember Memphis playing into the next to last weekend of the year almost every year since they were in high school. I'm 26, and I have no memory of the '88 title (and I grew up in Kansas City).They probably have vague memories of Penny Hardaway (and Lil' Penny). They remember the legendary high schoolers like Dajaun Wagner and Derrick Rose. To them that's probably even with Paul Pierce, Finals MVP and Mario Chalmers. Remember, we are recruiting kids, not their parents. These kids memories aren't going to go back as far, and things they read about, like the legendary Phog Allen, and the Triple OT game aren't going to impact them as deeply as Lil' Penny and the dribble motion.

Toto_the_great 11 years, 7 months ago

If the Kings and Knights (and Blades and Comets) failed in KC, I don't think we deserve another NBA team (hell, I am thankful we have the Royals). I think it will be interesting to see how the OKC Thunder fair once the newness factor dwindles.

tis4tim 11 years, 7 months ago

"I'd like to play with my brother, but it's nice to get out on your own, too. I want to play with him, and I don't. Either way, it's the same." -Xavier HenryHuh? Many on this board have pointed out how fickle the decision-making process can be with kids in this age range. It's no secret their brains are just not quite all wired up yet. That quote above is a good example. It's just funny when we employ logic to try to figure out what these kids will do, when even they simply have no idea what they're going to do. It really does feel like its all based on impulse sometimes.

Michael Mulvihill 11 years, 7 months ago

does anyone know how many scholies memphis has to offer for next year?

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 7 months ago

Not that it probably matters to these kids who are making the comparisons, but, I'd bet the student-athlete graduation rates, that were recently released by KU, are significantly higher than at the U of M. Maybe Coach Cal is using Derrick Rose as his claim to fame. A freshman who was a #1 draft pick who will undoubtedly benefit from the season that he was coached (?) by Calipari. Look at the stats from the Nat'l Champ. game, Rose went 7 for 17 field goals, 1 for 6 3pointers and 5 turnovers. Thats coaching! Interestingly though, I recently attended my stepson's graduation at the U of M and in the graduating class was Andre Turner ("The Little General") point guard from the mid 80s Tigers teams. He was making good on a promise to his grandmother that he would return and graduate. Kudos to him.

Ryan Gerstner 11 years, 7 months ago

"And having an NBA team 50 miles away, practicing and playing in a facility that KU will only play in once or twice a year helps KU recruiting exactly how?"That's not too hard to figure out. If there was a NBA team in KC, the ties between that team and KU would be pretty tight. Players would have access to some of those NBA players and how it all works. They'd have opportunities to make extra connections with NBA folks. It's not very hard at all to see that it would be alluring to have a NBA team close.However, with all that said, I still don't know why someone would want to play in obscurity in Conference USA. Play in a league where you're never going to get challenged. This one is a no-brainer, but Coach Cal seems to be more than holding his own. I mean the FedEx Forum or Allen Fieldhouse. You can play in one of the most historic arenas of all time or.....? You can play in front of one of the loudest and craziest crowds in big games......or? I don't get the dilemma. For me, Memphis would be a nice Plan B school if a KU type school didn't work out.

FSUJHAWK 11 years, 7 months ago

These high school kids get easily enamored by the Memphis lifestyle. The bball program has really great living facilities. Moving away from home for the first time, which high school kid wouldn't want to set up shop in those suites, even if it's just for a year? In addition, Calipari has been known to sprinkle a bit of his magic dust on these kids, i.e., selling the "you're going to be the man" and "I've been in the NBA and at Memphis I will highlight and refine your skills for draft day-our system is designed for that." Memphis' recent success, the living and playing facilities, and Calapari's magic dust make it difficult for any program to compete in recruiting these kids. Hopefully these kids have the independent mind and right support group to help them make the prudent decision, that is, there is no place like KANSAS!!!

Toto_the_great 11 years, 7 months ago

KU vs Memphis? KU vs Memphis? hmmm.... one has a good music (Blues and Jazz) scene and tasty BBQ and the other has a good music scene (typically college bands) and tasty BBQ. Okay, that won't work.

John Brown 11 years, 7 months ago

I bet on KU's History v. Memphis Griselies. Yes, Grisel like the cartilage at the end of a bone. They are not a good team. Was Robinson making a point? The Griselies have no history and neither does Memphis. Calaparie will leave the program when someone flashes $$$$ in his face at a bigger school in a real conference. Only the ACC matches the Big 12 in overall BB quality. Then the Big East, Pac 10 and SEC.

CBaller13 11 years, 7 months ago

I think it's a crapshoot. I think some of these recruits want the true college basketball experience (playing at a historic court with diehard fans) and some want the easy life that will pave the way to the NBA. I think at this point, I'm happy with whoever decides to come to KU because they are choosing a college rather than a stopgap. The closest KU has ever had to a Carmelo/Beasley type player is Julian Wright and I think even he considers himself to be a Jayhawk forever. If Xavier Henry comes to KU, I would not be surprised if he stays here 2 years to enjoy college while it lasts. I'm fairly confident that the NBA is a bigger selling point at Memphis and that winning a team oriented basketball championship is what we sell at KU. It will be interesting, I just want one of Xavier, Wall or Stephenson. We need one guy who can score and become an All American. As for Robinson, he sounds like a good guy. I'd like him too. Another quick point, one thing that Memphis can never offer is a late night experience like that at KU. These players are going to be wowed. I've been to a few different arenas throughout the country and Cameron Indoor and Allen Fieldhouse are the two places where you are just amazed at the atmosphere. I'm glad some of these guys are coming on that night. I think it will put us ahead. These guys will go home and tell their family and friends about what Late Night is about and how basketball players are treated like kings in Lawrence.

Michael Ales 11 years, 7 months ago

Robinson,Henry, Stephenson,Wall,Cheek, etc.,etc., How is this recruiting game working with only two maybe three scholarships to give? This exposure to top flight talent is great but it doesn't seem to fit Coach Self's style. To Hell with one-and-out's! Let them play in Europe for a year, let them throw away an education of a lifetime for a chance at the big money of the NBA. Coach, let's continue to recruit players who bond as KU Family and WIN! This Memphis v. Kansas stuff is a bunch of crap. There is NO COMPARISON between the two instutions as far as Coaches, Education, Fans, Tradition, and Winning!!!! If they are lucky enough to get a nod from the Jayhawks and turn it down, WE DON'T WANT THEM! Coach Self is A Teacher, not a NBA Scout! Whewww.

yates33333 11 years, 7 months ago

If the quality of the University were the main selling point, KU would have no trouble. Too bad student athletes aren't too interested in the student aspect.

bmkjayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

Even if some think that Henry's comment doesn't make a lot of sense, I hope he means it. Last week, most were convinced that he was definitely going to Memphis, but if he means that his decision is still up in the air, I'll take that because then we still have a chance.

DWManion99 11 years, 7 months ago

Kansas = A lot more national television exposure and a conference that is solid with at least 2-3 high profile teams. Conference USA - Oh please!!! And the comment about Memphis being a flash in the pan is right on. Who really thinks that 10 years from now they will still be highly regarded.

David Wanamaker 11 years, 7 months ago

mojayhawk wrote:"I keep saying, it's the fact that Memphis shares facilities with the Grizzlies that is the appeal in Memphis. It certainly can't be the city! We need an NBA team in KC!"And having an NBA team 50 miles away, practicing and playing in a facility that KU will only play in once or twice a year helps KU recruiting exactly how?

K_Easthouse 11 years, 7 months ago

I keep pointing out that we need to emphasize KU's longevity on the national stage as why recruits need to come here.Memphis is a flash-in-the-pan program that relies on "one and done" talent to keep it going - and can't keep it up forever. If recruits want exposure on the national stage - and lets face it, they all do - KU would be the better place.However, I have to agree with other posters here; I don't ever recall a time where two schools competed for the same recruits this consistently. Where's North Carolina, Duke, UCLA and the rest, or are they already locked up?

CBaller13 11 years, 7 months ago

Memphis is definately a top 5 program right now. Especially for players trying to make the NBA. Calipari is a NBA prep coach. KU is also a great progream right now. If I was rating schools right now in terms of complete package for recruits, I'd go this way:1. North Carolina2. Kansas3. UCLA4. Memphis5. DukeI think we will end up with some of these players. It will then be up to Coach Self, in whom Im completely confident, to turn the prospects into a team and compete. I think we are set.As for the scholarship dilemna. I'm sure Brady Morningstar will give up his scholarship if asked to do so. I think we sign three players and then see what happens with everyone else. Let's say one player goes pro(Sherron) and one player transfers(Reed). There are 3 scholarships right there.

Hawklin 11 years, 7 months ago

The pictures shown are where the players live. 1 complex has been modified into 1 big open unit. With a flat screen and all for jross.

John Strayer 11 years, 7 months ago

Am I missing something? It seems to me we just aren't getting any "pop" from the Nat'l Championship...I mean we are neck and neck with the same team KU beat on the floor and the best we can get is even with Memphis.I don't envy Coach Self...having to make a living based upon the decision making of 17 to 22 year old kids. Has to be frustrating at times.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Perk Factor: Playing on the same wood as the Grizzlies is BIG! Meeting and getting to know the Grizzlies is even bigger. Getting access now to the place you want to go to next is huge in any field. Advantage: Memphis.Social Life: Recent posts by African Americans posters here suggest that a large African American community in Memphis doesn't hurt, but doesn't help that much. Memphis having vastly more women students to date seems to be the decisive factor favoring Memphis. But the fact that so many KU greats come back to Lawrence in the off season indicates social life is acceptable at KU, too. Advantage: even (I've never heard of any KU athlete have a hard time getting all the dates he wanted).Conclusion: Replace the Jayhawker Towers now. Get an NBA team into KC ASAP. Land some one and doners quick. Stand pat on the Coach and style of play. Trust the small town college atmosphere will still attract as many as it discourages.After some deliberation, I reckon jross1972 may have been right to be concerned about the odds of losing out to Memphis.Time and the tides wait for no man.Even though KU won a ring, it has to upgrade its facilities to compete. It also has to land some one and doners to prove to the others that this is the sort of place that guarranties the chance to play with the best. And there needs to be a pro team in KC to really deliver an access to the L that gives our great KU tradition a chance to be decisive.

AverageCitizen 11 years, 7 months ago

FSUJHawk- I think the "mansion" rumor for players at Memphishas ben exaggerated. It may seem likethat comapred to wher some of them have grown up but you be the judge: http://reslifeweb.memphis.edu/reslife/residencehalls/images/CarpHall.jpghttp://reslifeweb.memphis.edu/reslife/residencehalls/images/CarpOutSide.jpghttp://reslifeweb.memphis.edu/reslife/residencehalls/images/CarpInSide.jpgAlso, Calipari's claim of being in the NBA could be matched by Danny.

AverageCitizen 11 years, 7 months ago

justanotherfan- I am sure these 18 years olds don't remember our older players but I guarantee you their parents and grandparents do. They have a lot of influence on these kids. If they are impressed, the kids will generally follow suit even if they haven't seen them with their own eyes. You don't think Wilt Chamberlain is still not vividly alive to the older folks in Philly?

hawkitup 11 years, 7 months ago

Last year's Memphis team will have the most wins of any team all time but there will always be TWO glaring loses...#1 - University of Tennessee (that team continues to be a thorn in U of M's side...hahaha)#2 - The NCAA National Champion Kansas Jayhawks.

Michael Ales 11 years, 7 months ago

I don't know anything about Morningstar's situation but I do know Tyrel Reed is not going anywhere. This young man Is what a Jayhawk is all about, a.k.a. Mark Turgeon.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Now, as your Daddy, KU wants you to know that we feel your pain at coming close and losing the big one to Kansas. KU, afterall, has lost a couple more national championship title games than Memphis has ever even played in. The only thing we can't identify with, youngin', is bein' beat by a Daddy...because we ARE the Daddy. And don't you forget it, youngin'!!!!Now as we say from the banks of the Kaw, youngin', waaaay upstream from the Big Muddy...Rock Chalk, youngin', and welcome to the big time.P.S.: I know and respect the basketball tradition of Memphis city ball. I know all about the legends of Ronnie Big Cat Robinson and Larry Finch, and Larry Kenon was the real deal, and I know that the queen city of Memphis is one of the pearls that string the great Blue Meridian of USA that is the mighty Mississippi River. I know about Beale Street and I know about the debt we folks upriver owe to Memphis for not only bringing us the jazz from New Orleans, but for turning it into the blues, and sending those blues on up the river. I know that Memphis is one of USA's greatest and least appreciated cities. I know the King came from there and I know Dr. King was assassinated there and not by Jimmy Earl Ray mind you. Long live, Dr. King and long live Memphis basketball. But don't you ever forget who your real Daddy is in basketball and don't you ever come here thinking you can do anything but be respectin' your Daddy. This is basketball, youngin'. We don't mess around 'bout basketball here on this little tributary to the mighty Mississip.Rock Chalk!

Nutflush21 11 years, 7 months ago

Thomas Robinson interview... Hes the second player interveiwed in this clip. We need to land him if only for the reason that he talks just like Shaq.http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=7576064&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=6.1.1

ChicagoJHawk 11 years, 7 months ago

I'm a KU fan for life but I can understand why a recruit would choose Memphis over KU. As many people have already mentioned, they have much better housing, a good coach who has proven that he can win & get people ready for the NBA. Memphis is a decent size city so if you're not looking for a small town lifestyle then that can be a plus.Memphis won't be as deep as we are which means more playing time for the recruits. Having an easy schedule in C-USA isn't altogether a bad thing is it? So to some everything up, at Memphis you get more playing time, better housing, and get to take it easy & play an easier schedule & still make it to the NBA. Not to mention that you may also look a lot better playing against sub par competition & having more minutes doing so.So what does KU need to do? Hurry up with the renovations at the Jaywhawk Towers!!! I lived there for 3 years & that place is a dump! Other than that we have good facilities, coaching staff & definitely have the history, tradition & exceptional winning record. I just hope we get at least 1 or 2 of these guys.

bmkjayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

justanotherfan, is that a fact about the last 20 national champion teams? You've just got me wondering now.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn-youngin',We don't get irritated with light weights.Facts is facts.You got no facts.You got fantasy forecasts.We know that XMan already knows the legacy. His Dad played here.We also know that the legacy doesn't pull them in by itself. It is when Paul Pierce, or Kirk Hinrich, or Drew Gooden, or Julian Wright, or Brandon Rush, or Mario Chalmers, or Darrell Arthur place a phone call, or say hello to them at NBA games, or summer camps, or what have you that pulls them in year after year after hear. It is when those guys say "there's no place like Kansas" that the kids come. Its when even our assistants are all time basketball studs. Its when Danny Manning walks in and says, "won a ring as a player at KU. Won a ring as a coach at KU last year. Staying here, even though I'm independently wealthy, because I know we're going to win several more the next few years with guys like you, Xman."I suppose it also doesn't hurt when the recruits meet all the former KU players now acting in decisive roles in the front offices of NBA franchises. Trust me, youngin', you needed the history lesson, especially the recent one. KU 82 percent in the 90s.KU 81 percent since 2000.KU national champ 2007.Memphis?Juco Conference USA winner a few times. LOLDid the choke of all time in its only serious chance for a ring ever. ROTFLMAOWhat else should we expect from a team who's legacy before last season starts and stops with Big Cat, Finch and Kenon?Face it shunngunn, Memphis was pathetic until a KU guy showed up, after fouling up his career in the L, and gave the place some expertise.You owe us, but instead you come here and stick recruiting in our eyes, when you haven't even got facts.Go home, little one. Come back with facts. I guess I overestimated you.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

People ultimately make their choices on where they work based on what a place does for their resume, what they will learn at a place, who they will work with and what their compensation will be and what they believe will offer the best fit for their social lives. Tradition is only relevant if it contributes to guarrantying any of the preceding three. If tradition were all important, the University of Chicago would still be playing football. Lastly, there is also a perk factor; that is, who do you get to meet and know by going to that place to work? Here's an analysis of competitive advantage in these factors regarding KU and Memphis.Resume Padding: KU does more traditionally. Memphis does about the same recently. Advantage: dead even.Learning Advantage: Self is the better teacher, and will elevate the game of a player more by rounding him out, but Calipari's offense seems to showcase guards more and this past draft landed a guy who was not that great as the Number 1 pick. On the other hand, KU had a slug of guys drafted. Advantage: Even.Roster: To me, KU year in and year out has the better players. But Memphis already has a couple one and doners coming in, plus the possibility of Henry, Wall, Stephenson and Robinson joining to form a super team. It is the blue chips that Memphis has already signed for this year and next that are really enhancing Memphis credibility. Advantage: Memphis.Compensation: Housing and academics are the chief, legitimate compensation available to student athletes. Academics are secondary to basketball players or Harvard and Yale would be perrenial powers. Memphis has the better crib for players. Advantage: Memphis.

100 11 years, 7 months ago

Coach Cal is a good guy. He's an ex-Jayhawk, long before he became a Tiger. A great coach. The dribble drive offense, for those who haven't played much basketball, is another way of allowing great athletes to continue pick-up games, aka, Y rec league. It works -- until you run into a deep team that has good defense and can wear your top 5 dribble drivers down. And as far as NBA prep, what a way to shoot a kid in the foot.But he is a good guy at heart -- I can see why Xavier and John would be highly considering Memphis. It was said by Xavier, himself, however -- "Kansas" is a better choice than Memphis to prepare "myself" for the NBA. He said it. Look it up.Frankly, it scares me that fans like shunngunn will be filling the Memphis (shared with another team) arena. Excuse me, I suppose I meant "half-filled". Funny, even when they were so good last year, their stands weren't much more than half full 5 minutes into the game... people still trickling in.Don't worry, shunngunn, Xavier and John are smart. They'll make the best choice for themselves -- could be either school. And Calipari will also make a smart choice, and back off. I predict he'll hold off on the briefcase, and let them out of handcuffs to attend Late Night in the Phog -- in the end, even though he wants Xavier and John, just like he wants the last 2:11 back, he has just enough Jayhawk in his past to risk an NCAA probation.

BigTamale 11 years, 7 months ago

Lots of good points so far...I think Memphis does have a good "Wow!" factor with High Schoolers. These kids are going to gravitate to those things that are shinny and bright. Also, they have become very good as of late.I've heard a lot about about how below average C-USA is. We must remember that is Calipari's formula to winning and getting solid recruits.1 Coach in a NON BCS Conference2 Win 27+ games a year3 Get a high seed in tourney (1 or 2)Remember when he was about to take the NC State job but ended up staying at Memphis? Had he been in the ACC with NC State, would he be getting top recruits? Probably not. He used the same formula at UMASS. Is that the reason why he has yet to coach at a BCS conference?I that forumla is a little weak, but it works...gotta give the man his credit.Plus now he has a track record of producing the CDR's, Derrick Roses, and Marcus Camby's of the world.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

Excerpt from an article where Luke Winn interviewed Joey Dorsey:"JD: We actually have a house -- 11 bedrooms, all basketball players, so mostly everybody stays there. LW: How did you find that place?JD: It's an on-campus thing; Coach Cal did it. It's almost like a mansion. You can get lost in there. It's decked out, too; the living room's got 42-inch flat screens where we can watch game tapes, or review player personnel. Or we can go upstairs where there's a theater, and just watch movies."Source: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/basketball/ncaa/2007/07/blog-q-with-memphis-joey-dorsey.htmlNow I ask you, does this description of a HOUSE in ANY WAY mirror the RESIDENCE HALL photo that averagecitizen linked?

100 11 years, 7 months ago

As far as we knew a week ago, Xavier already had decided on Memphis and was going to declare and skip his KU visit. Big quotes on one radio station even certified it through one of his old coaches. We, as KU fans, werent happy. So, shunngunn, why do you think he decided to not declare himself a Tiger (yet) and come to KU afterall?

100 11 years, 7 months ago

Some of us do that (read above post) every day. There's a lot of things to do to make the world a better place. I know I'm doing my part. But everybody needs a place to get away, and this is it for some KU fans. Big deal. As for the above poster, surely he tackles his daily problems with a passion as well. Somehow he found some time to attack a water cooler.As for shunngunn, it looks like he wasn't aware Cal started his coaching career at KU. He shrivelled up and went away after he found out about Cal's Jayhawkdome.

void 11 years, 7 months ago

It makes no sense to claim that Memphis is a lesser team, since they have repeatedly proven their basketball quality in the tournament. Also, it makes ne sense to suggest reason will dominate a recruits choice unless you know how the recruit thinks. When St. Johns ran up their victories in basketballs early years, KU was an equal. When CCNY and Manhatten were great, KU was an equal. When Oklahoma State, Duke, UCLA, Wichita State, North Carolina State, North Carolina, Florida, UNLV, Princeton, St. Josephs, Villanova and many others had their glory years, decades and, in some cases, century, KU was there. A young man can be part of this history and prepare for a career in sports, or he can prepare for a career in sports. Whether a recruit in a given year chooses KU makes little impact on KU's noble history. Please, by all means, X, Wall and others, come to Kansas and play. Play for our great coach, with our great players and staff, in our fieldhouse and feel the chills, hear the fans deafening roar, experience the century old rivalry based not in the quirk of repetititive scheduling but in Kansas' early tradition dead against slavery and its proponents. People died in Kansas resisting the tradition of slavery, and the spirit of Kansas basketball is unique in holding a part of this sacrifice.People from other parts of the country may not recognize this reality, but think back, look at the taunts in the border wars, the rubber chickens, the jokes, Quantrill's raiders and John Brown. KU and Lawrence can not be separated.Whatever the young men this year do, I will still be proud to associate myself with these worthy, interwoven traditions. KU basketball is more than a hot streak or a lucky shot; it is a way to hold onto the tradition of freedom.

CBaller13 11 years, 7 months ago

I think based on the interviews done in Memphis, Xavier Henry is 50/50 - KU fans need to chant his name and do EVERYTHING they can at late night to get him. As for Thomas Robinson, I liked him and I think he liked KU but is keeping his options open. I would say we are the favorite for him. If we are privileged enough to land Robinson and Henry, I think either Elijah Johnson or Wall(although I dont think that's likely) would be a nice way to round out our class. Xavier is one and done but I still think he's the type of player you want even if for just one year. He reminds me of a more versatile Blake Griffin.

Lance Hobson 11 years, 7 months ago

We're getting plenty of "pop" for our Nat'l title, it's just that Memphis is getting it, too for being in the title game and getting players to the NBA.

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 7 months ago

I, for one, will give shunngunn his props. Unlike the usual lame interlopers (gobadgers, et al), shunngunn was at least able to put something on the table. This has to be an all-time lengthy and entertaining thread on kusports.com.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Regardless, we know that simply beating Coach Calipari one time for the National Championship last season could never keep a Kansas man down. He has proven a formidable recruiting competitor and understands the recruiting advantage of a neoPlayboy Mansion for the Memphis players. We know that Coach Calipari, because he is a part of the great coaching tree of Kansas basketball, will do more amazing things at Memphis. And, yes, Coach Calipari may even best us for awhile at Memphis, as did Coach Rupp at UK, Coach Smith at UNC, and Coach Williams at UNC. But we also know from these experiences that we will make adjustments, we will continue to improve, we will continue to pursue excellence in recruiting, coaching and playing and eventually we will prevail over Coach Calipari and Memphis, too, IF Coach Calipari ever does get the better of us. Regarding, DRose, I didn't get to see Rose play much over the course of last year, so I probably did not get to see him at his best against lesser competition. My most extensive look at him came during last year's championship game. What stuck in my mind was how KU's short guards (even our weakest defender, Sherron Collins) handled him defensively in the national championship game. Do you recall this, youngin'? Yes, I knew that you did. Well, I thought, perhaps Rose had an off night. Maybe he just got rattled in a big game. Maybe he just had the flu or food poisoning (even though KU star players have historically had some of their biggest games when sick with a bug). But then last summer in the NBA rookie league, or whatever it was, I read where Mario Chalmers, the guy who made "the shot" (you do recall the shot, do you not?) in the championship game leading to us winning the national championship in overtime against Memphis, completely locked down DRose in a game--just Mario--without any great KU defenders helping him like Russell Robinson and Brandon Rush. This left me with the suspicion that DRose could have some trouble in the L, when he has to go up against defenders that are bigger and faster than KU's great defending, but rather short guards. I meant no disrespect about DRose. I was merely stating facts to the Jayhawk nation. "Facts is facts" as you like to say, youngin'.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

And another thing~I see alot of posts on here disrespecting the U of M because of our conference...hahaOk since you guys wanna go there let me make a point:Michigan State(Big TEN) vs Memphis(C-USA in the Sweet 16)...it was 50-20 at Halftime...Michigan State never knew what hit themTexas(Big 12) vs Memphis(C-USA) IN TEXAS(you might as well say homecourt) in the elite 8...ok BLOWOUT CITY-we ran Texas off the court!Period!UCLA(Pac-10) vs Memphis(C-USA) in the Final Four..Another Blowout against so called TRADITIONKansas beat us in what will go down as 1 of the biggest games in NCAA History...Memphis didnt win that game & I want make up any excuses but I bet no one was saying anything about us being from C-USA on that night!Conferences & history of these so called TRADITION schools want help you win when it comes down to March Madness! Are you serious!?? Do or die is how the game is played. Your team being from the ACC,Big 12,Big East,etc want help you when March rolls around..You guys(Kansas) lost to Bradley in '06! Did it help Kansas by being from the Big 12 when that upset happened??! Ummmmm NO,I think notMemphis has'nt won a championship-TRUE...But dont look down on a team just because they play in a so-called weak conference...Im not about to list the schools we've beaten from the GLAMOUR conferences the last 3 or 4 years but I will say this: The NCAA dont seed you the 1 seed in '2006(Elite 8),2 seed in '07(Elite 8) & a 1 seed in '08(Final 4 & NC runner-up) if you're playing weak teams...Us Memphians dont have anything negative to say about Kansas but when you say things like we're in a "weak conference" & why would a recruit wanna go there instead of Kansas & blah blah then you're being straight up stupid.Calipari is using the same recipe Tarkanian used to build UNLV(who were also from a weak conf) in the 80's & early 90's. He is a building a monster program over this way so you people need to wake up & stop being so naive...

keith horinek 11 years, 7 months ago

WOW! Well said, however, next time include a towel to wipe away the tears!

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 7 months ago

jross - what student residence hall did you stay at? For a college residence it looked decent. Anyone have legit pics of Jayhawk Towers for comparison?

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 7 months ago

I normally just skim jaybates novels but I read every word of that one (and copied it for posterity)!

heavyd0512 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunnI also remember being in SAn Antonio for the GREATEST Final 4 ever! However I remember the 5000 Memphis fans (very poor showing for a national championship game) crying, being very mouthy, basically flat out acting like they got ass fuked by big jay!I bet you feel pretty tough getting on sites and pumping up you T-I-G-E-R-S (by the way the stupiest chant in college sports) , but do us all a favor and before you come on here go out and win a national Championship! IN ANYTHING!P.S. Is it true that D Rose took a pay cut leaving school early? He will fit in nice backing up kirk!!Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!How is that conference USA looking in Football?

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

ohio...youre missing the point COMPLETELY. yes, its nice for a residence hall. Inside it looks decent though not remarkable. but what has been described in the press, the players at Memphis live in a mansion of sorts and NOT--I repeat NOT--a residence hall! in the post above, averagecitizen linked a photo of where he said the memphis players were housed. now unless you or he or anyone else can show that these are in fact the accomodations for the memphis players, then his point is invalid and that at least considering housing, Id assume that Joey Dorsey's description of their digs is much MUCH better than the residence hall photos linked above.why is this even an issue? because some have put forward that the plush living conditions at memphis is an advantage for their recruiting. the RESIDENCE HALL photo above could hardly be described as something that would be an advantage to their school.

justanotherfan 11 years, 7 months ago

mdalesh,If we want to continue to be in the hunt for national championships, we most certainly DO need top level talent.Yes we just won a national title with guys that were developed by coach Self (Sasha, DBlock, RussRob), but Shady, Brandon and Mario were all top 15 recruits. You can't win consistently in college hoops without top line talent.Every national champion for the last 20 years has had at least one McDs AA on the roster. You need that top level talent, period. You absolutely have to have NBA caliber talent to get deep into the NCAA tournament.

Lin Rahardja 11 years, 7 months ago

Hearing the above video interviews, I think we have a good chance to land these two top recruits. X definitely is a strong character, and he will not let himself be compared with his brother on campus (a potential distraction). Thomas said he is leaning toward KS (prior to Memphis visit) and like the coaching staffs. Together with John Wall, that's another core set to another championships caliber team.Tradition & Location:For college basketball, one simply should not compare the tradition KU brings. Lawrence is an ideal place for these youngsters to sharpen their skills to prepare for their next career. It does not have the distraction of big cities.Coaching:Self will teach how to play team defense, brings a family athmosphere, while coaching staffs improve each player's skill level. The fact that 5 players were recruited to NBA speaks for the coaching staffs quality.What can one possibly absorb if he stops by a bus stop on your way to NBA? Don't make that wrong choice.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

average...one, please cite your source. you say "it is reported...". show me the report. until you have evidence of that statement, I consider Joey Dorsey sane enough to distinguish between a house and a residence hall. your argument rests on challenging the perception of his reality (I know, the thought IS tempting, but its presumptuous nonetheless). two, keep in mind that one person's subjective account as to the intent or meaning of Joey Dorsey's statement does not mean he (Dorsey) is incorrect, and that he actually DID live in a house while attending Memphis. in the absence of proof (or even a shred of evidence) supporting your claim, it is irresponsible to characterize a situation solely on hearsay contrary to a report of it as given by an individual who experienced it firsthand.he said he lived in a house. not a residence hall.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Anybody on this post that thinks X.Henry is going to Kansas has gotta be crazy...I mean think about it,if going to Kansas is based on tradition,winning national championships,playing in Allen Fieldhouse,blah blah then dont you people think he would've chose Kansas by now!?!I live in Memphis & this is fact~Henry is ALWAYS here! Dude has been here so much since his 10th grade year you would've thought he was already enrolled at the University...he's been to Midnight Madness the last two years....The only reason he's going to Kansas' midnight madness is because he's seen ours TWICE...And to top it all off CJ Henry is here...if you think he just picked Memphis out of the blue then you Kansas fans are being naive..Coach Cal didnt recruit CJ Henry~he chose us-because of X!..Read between the lines Kansas fans..X.Henry is playing mind games with you people....

hawkitup 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngun, actually, I am from Memphis and I continue to be there as I type this message so say what you want but the fact is that I am here! By the way, no need to start the name calling. Did I insult you or something? I don't think so. I just don't agree with your inflated opinion of Memphis. By the way, I've been in Memphis long enough to see that many of their fans have an inflated, unrealistic view of the team. I am not saying they aren't good. Plus, I never said that Calipari can't coach or recruit. I think his track record has proven he can recruit. What I said was that he wouldn't have near the success he's had if he were in a real conference. There is no way he pulls 30 win seasons out three years in a row playing in the ACC, Big 12, or Big East. Its facts son. And mark it down on your calendar that Memphis WILL NOT land all three of those recruits. I am not saying they won't land some of those top recruits but they will not land all three.

Rick Arnoldy 11 years, 7 months ago

The description certainly doesn't match the pictures. Anyone have pictures of their real digs? And I thought special housing just for athletes were against NCAA rules. I imagine a lot of schools are walking on fine line on that one.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Second there was Dean Smith, who played at KU and then built the great North Carolina program. He was another KU man who was the winningest coach in college basketball for a time. Has Memphis had even one winningest coach in college basketball either as coach at Memphis, or as a part of the Memphis basketball family tree? Does Memphis even have a coaching family tree? No? I thought not. Again, Coach Smith exceeded us for more than awhile, but was nice enough to send us Larry Brown (our youngin's often help us, too) and we notched a title in '88 out from under Dean during one of his finest stretches, thus returning KU to permanent national prominence back when you were probably still dining regularly on Gerbers. Third, we gave Roy Williams his start, then luxuriated in his .82 winning rate for 15 years (plus four visits to the final four and two to the the championship game), only to see him depart without winning a ring at KU in order to be with his momma and family back in Carolina and win a ring there. That hurt to be sure, youngin', but again it was a Kansas man winning at a Kansas program and so we licked our wounds and took some pride in his success. Of course, we did not sit around and get weak in the knees either. It took us only a short while to eclipse him by playing the best first 20 minutes of defense in a basketball game in the history of college basketball against Roy's new boys in the NCAA semifinals before, of course, beating Memphis for the championship. I keep mentioning winning the championship, I suppose, because it is still sweet. We've won five now, and each one is as sweet as any other. I relate this to you, youngin', so that you will rightly look forward to finally winning even one. Now, we are especially excited for Coach Calipari's ascent at Memphis, for after tarnishing our family tree a bit by leaving serious recruiting violations in his wake at UMass, he seems to have learned to play by the rules at Memphis. And he has relied on a Kansas man, Larry Brown, another occassional Kansas black sheep (note: LB had the gall to leave a small violation behind in the grail itself, something that left a stain we had to polish on with Roy's unparalleled goodness along time to remove). Now, Coach Calipari would be the first to admit that LB, as mentor, game strategist and occassional on floor advisor in practice, has been instrumental in developing Memphis in recent years into a power in the best sense of the Kansas tradition. Coach Calipari has learned to play by the rules at Memphis (or so we must assume for now) and for this we are grateful, as any parent is when a youngin' with prior brushes with the regulators gets straight and serious about life and hoops.

AverageCitizen 11 years, 7 months ago

JRoss- This residence hall is upscale and costs more. One Memphis fan's take on Dorsey's interview was that he came from humble beginnings and it probably seemed like a mansion to him. It is reported that they knocked down some walls between aprtments and made it "house" like. If just one of the buildings is done that way, it would be pretty big. And, yes, because of the NCAA other students that get to live there.

jayhawkinATL 11 years, 7 months ago

Here's to hoping that Late Night sways some of these fellas.

justanotherfan 11 years, 7 months ago

bmk,I stand corrected. The lone exception is Maryland 2002. See below. Also note that most of these teams had more than one McD AA.2008 - Kansas (Aldrich, Arthur, Chalmers, Collins)2007 - Florida (Brewer)2006 - Florida (Brewer)2005 - North Carolina (Felton, May, McCants, J. Williams, M. Williams)2004 - UConn (Brown, Villaneuva)2003 - Syracuse (Anthony)2002 - Maryland (none) 2001 - Duke (Battier, Boozer, Duhon, Dunleavy, Williams)2000 - Michigan St. (Cleeves, Richardson)1999 - UConn (El-Amin, Hamilton)1998 - Kentucky (Turner)1997 - Arizona (Bibby)1996 - Kentucky (Delk, Mercer, Turner, Walker)1995 - UCLA (Charles and Ed O'Bannon)1994 - Arkansas (Robinson, Williamson)1993 - North Carolina (Lynch, McInnis, Montross, Reese, Williams, Zwikker)1992 - Duke (Hill, Hurley, Laettner, Parks)1991 - Duke (Hill, Hurley, Laettner) 1990 - UNLV (Johnson, Spencer) 1989 - Michigan (Higgins, Mills, Robinson)1988 - Kansas (Maddox, Manning, Randall)

bmkjayhawk 11 years, 7 months ago

Haven't read all of the above, but the facts of the matter are these:KU has a shot at landing Xavier Henry.KU has a shot at landing John Wall.KU has a richer basketball tradition than arguably any school in the country, and Memphis doesn't come close.KU won the national title; Memphis got 2nd.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

to Jaybate: love your post man!! You made valid points...If you saw what Calipari has done to the University of Memphis as far as upgrading the facilities the past 7 years then you will see that's part of the reason why high caliber recruits want to come here. And playing in an NBA city helps alot!! It's not about the Grizzlies,its all about constantly seeing the Kobe Bryants',the Carmelo's,the A.I's,etc night in & night out..Cant nothing match that....And let's be honest Calipari is NBA connected whether people wanna admit it or not...1 more thing! You kinda threw a diss at my man D.Rose...So,you mean to tell me you would've picked Chalmers over D.Rose if you were an NBA GM trying to choose a pg?!lol Get serious man

kltbadboyz 11 years, 7 months ago

If I was Darrell Arthur and I met these recruits on a visit I'd straight up tell them to go to KU. Either way we'll get a couple of the guys we want on our list. I highly doubt all will go to Memphis.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Memphis has 3 scholarships left for '09...and it has Wall,Henry, & Robinson written all over it...I live over here in Memphis...Man,let me tell you something..D. Rose is recruiting Wall as hard as Cal is recruiting X.Henry! Do you understand where I'm coming from?!Rose & Wall are basically mirror images of each other...And that dribble drive offense fits the Wall kid to a tee!

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

To Caramel: Do you see me bragging about Memphis being apart of C-USA?! In Memphis we talk about how far we're going to go in the NCAA's when March rolls around & to see how high our seeding will be...You people can sit there & keep talking about how weak our Conf is all you want(and to be honest it's really getting old talking about this C-USA stuff)...BUT THIS IS FACT: Example: I bet you were one of those people saying Texas were going to beat us all because MEMPHIS plays in a weak conf.,RIGHT?!! HaHAHA WRONG! My boys went down to Texas in front of all of those Longhorn fans in Reliant Stadium on Nationwide TV & destroyed them!!!!! And guys like you constantly rag on us because of that wack conf we play in..Brother,I got news for you-Power Conferences want help your team when March Madness approaches! Every team is playing in a do or die Tourney which means expect the unexpected! C-USA is a wack league but Memphis on another level,PARTNER!!! You better get your mind right!!!

Robert Brock 11 years, 7 months ago

I don't know if we need to secure one-and-doners to prove we are an elite team or show recruits they can come play with elite players. That is not going to necesarily improve recruiting or our odds of winning another championship. Losing Henry would hurt but would not break KU. Self is going to get a great class. And having guys that stick around 3-4 years can be a great thing in the end. Memphis may beat KU out for some of these guys because of style points and we have to live with that. But we have a roster of good ballplayers and just need one or two real difference makers.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn - Thanks for the counterpoint. The view here can be rather myopic, but it beats the jr hi name calling at the KCStar, or the over the top conference homerisms of the national blogs.One point that you and many posters here seem to be missing is the connections that Carl (Papa) Henry made a month or so ago. (Sorry that I don't have the article reference, but the facts are easy enough to verify.)Carl Henry is a KU grad, and BB alum. I believe Mrs. Henry is also an athletic & academic alum. There is a very definite connection here for X & CJ - which is why CJ committed here years ago even though he was planning to play baseball.So why's CJ at Memphis? Listen to Papa, or go check out the roster from the 80's when he was here. Cal was his coach. There is a very definite conection there as well. You say that CJ wasn't recruited, but you are only half right. He wasn't recruited in the traditional sense of the word, but Cal has been recruiting him since he was a little boy; everytime he was talking to Papa or Papa was talking about playing at KU and learning from Cal.You are abolutely right about Memphis remaining a national player, regardless of whether anyone else from C-USA is or not, as long as he stays there. Personally, I think he retires from there. He's had his grass is greener moment, and learned what Coach Brown talks about learning after the fact: It is good to find a place to make a home and cultivate your own green grass.While the dribble drive offense may be used by NBA teams, go back to the end of the X interview and listen to what he says about who will better prepare him for the NBA - KU. That's the other reason why he is still considering KU. He'll better learn to play team ball and D at KU. It is at least part of the reason that Mr #1 was nuetralized by a bunch of second rate guards. That doesn't mean that Chalmers, RR, Sherron, or anyone else is better than DRose, or would have been a better pick. It does mean that DRose could have benefitted from learning from Coach Self for a year. It is the same reason DWade still says that Hinrich was the best defender he has ever played against, though Hinrich obviously didn't learn from Self. That isn't lost on X. Scoring pts is the Bling of the game and gets you attention - X already has plenty of that, but D wins championships and that's what he needs because the NBA wants it too. He'll learn more of that at KU.As for the killer B's that you brought up. Yes, we had 2 early flame outs that had nothing to do with conference powers, but everything to do with learning new systems for old and then really young players in back to back seasons. How relavent was Cal in his first years?Either way, there are plenty of top players considering both schools. It's not likely that either will be going away.Gotta be at work in 7 hours, so look forward to hearing from you in a month?Rock Chalk

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Copy & paste my words Ms. Ross because Im trying to tell you when it's all said & done X is going to be sporting Memphis across his chest...you just want listen to meeverybody on the ESPN blogs were talking down to me for saying D.ROSE was coming to Memphis two years ago & look what happened! I said it over & over again because I used to see him over there alot...the same way X is always over there

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 7 months ago

have you ever heard of the word "fame"...I would love to be under spot light by my local newspapers and Big schools....Why not play around and not signed with anyone as long as they can get famous a bit.

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 7 months ago

Won't it be interesting to see what we'll get from the Morris twins this year. Don't forget, they defected to KU from their commitment at U of M. Wonder what their real reson was for the change of heart? We'll see who was smarter, them or C. J. Henry for switching allegiences.

DatBMe 11 years, 7 months ago

If only you could see the U of M Tigers Locker room at the FedEx Forum... Its simply mind blowing !!!!!

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

Dont get it twisted shunngunn: I am not your buddy.The kind of education you need lies outside of anything you can learn in a book so dont give me your damned resume. Your degree is probably a B.S. anyway. You say youre here defending Memphis because some of the things said here are ridiculous. I could spend several DAYS proving how many of the things YOU said were just that so dont act for a moment as if youve cornered the market on sanity. Yes, you made a couple of good points, but now youve gone and lost your head. Like Elvis said, "If youre lookin' for trouble, you come to the right place." Dont get me warmed up...

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 7 months ago

Been a while since I have read any posts or posted.jross,you are on target. I also must acknowledge your pointing out that I was unfair in some comments regarding Julian Wright back during the end of the NBA season. You are correct that my comments were uncalled for. I do stand behind my belief regarding his ability.I was also thrilled to learn of our Benedictine connection.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

Yes, some of the things said in these posts ARE ridiculous, and do you know why? CAUSE YOU KEEP TALKING. Need an example?Heres one:"if he were sold on you guys winning a Natl Championship,tradition & Danny Manning and blah blah blah then dont you think he would've signed by now!"Well point that high-powered perception at yourself and regale all of the Kansas faithful with something coherant about why Xavier hasnt signed with Memphis by now.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Coach Bill Self will probably go down as the greatest coach of this era. Coach Cal may be second, but not first unless Coach Self were to quit tomorrow and devote himself to helping Vladimir Putin over throw the United States of America. Is that clear enough, for ya, youngin'?(Note: sometimes ya gotta be very clear with a youngin'.)Our coach immediately before Coach Self, Roy Williams, will go down as the second greatest coach of his generation behind Coach K, unless Coach Williams' Tar Heels throw down four or five rings the next ten years, in which case he would eclipse even Coach K in that generation of coaches. Don't know how Coach K, a non Kansas man, even got in the mix for great coaches, but accidents happen don't you know. Maybe it was because his last name started with a K. As you seem a literate, and so a basketball youngin' worth of respect (as holders of the basketball grail, we appreciate and respect and encourage any who educate themselves to the beauty and greatness of the game that we watch over), I am sure you can appreciate that we, as your basketball Daddies, have experienced our offspring rising up to give us biblically fierce competition before and yet we have always found ways first to compete, then to elevate, and then to remain among the elite decade, after decade, er, make that century after century in our case now. As you came here to tell your Daddy a thing or two, it is only right that having listened to and respected you as one more of our fine children, that we at KU sit you on our collective knee and explain some of our past experiences with our coaching offspring, so you will understand our patience and our respect for our youngin's, but also our lack of feelings of intimidation.First, there was Adolph Rupp, another Kansas man who was the winningest basketball coach for a time after our own Coach Allen. Coach Rupp played at KU and then built the great Kentucky program in our image (except we were among the leaders in integrating college sports in the 1950s, when Kentucky (Memphis, too?) was, some might say, still warming up in sheets and pillow cases). Coach Rupp and Kentucky gave us fits and exceeded us for quite some time, but, eventually, we prevailed over Kentucky. Look at them trying to put themselves back together in the big time using one of our assistants, Billy Gillispie now. They will succeed of course, because they ARE using one of our assistants. And this is no slight against the admirable Tubby Smith, who ought still be at UK, but again, was victimized by some of the impetuosity and impatience (and perhaps a little of the racism that we are most ashamed of Kentucky for persisting in) ingrained against our best teaching in our first great basketball progeny.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 7 months ago

You can get lucky with one game and win over Texas...Have you even looked at your schedule where you have to play all of the rest of the games with big 12/ ACC/ SEC /Pac 10/ Big 10 schools? NO.!!!!!so don't tell me that when Mem. beat Texas means a lot about how great and strong C USA and the team Memphis is....Cuz i bet if that Mem. team was in any of the big conference that i mention above they would have at least lost 5 to 6 games... means Bye Bye #1 seed...

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

You guys are acting like Coach Cal is some type of high school coach or something..The man is building a powerhouse program down here in the big M-Town! You can hate all you want to but facts is facts

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

You used the words "BY NOW", as in if Kansas was so great he'd have chosen us "by now". Yet you sit here and talk about what Xavier is GOING TO DO in the future, i.e., that he will choose Memphis. That may or may not be but using your own logic, Memphis can not be that great if he hasnt chosen you BY NOW.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Hey 100: You can hate all you want to pal but I got news for you.Do you want the brutal truth?!Or do you want me to sugar coat it for ya?!1st of all these kids that these coaches are recruiting nowadays dont give a rat's azz about how traditional your school is or who played there 20 or 30 years ago! It's about what can you do for them NOW....For instance why did Derrick Rose choose Memphis over Illinois & Indiana?! Huh? Can you answer that for me?! Oh I know what your answer is~Cal is crooked & he pays players to come here lol that's funny...Because think about it Rose didnt NEED THE MONEY because he was a future lottery pick anyway!! And the dribble drive motion offense had Rose written all over it! That's why the hell he came here!!! The same reason Tyreke Evans(from Philly) chose to come down South this year..Sports Illustrated did,I think,an 8 page article back in Feb./March on Coach Cal's Dribble Drive Motion Offense. It covered the 1000's of coaches that are installing that very same offense he's been using since the '05-'06 year..The same year Memphis went to the elite 8 with 6 freshmen,1 senior & 1 sophomore! The Boston Celtics offense is a pro version of the same offense Memphis uses..Doc Rivers learned the offense from Coach Cal..If you think I'm lying go back & read the article with your own eyes..If you dont have guards or wings the same size as ours you are going to get destroyed..Kansas was really the only team that matched up with us last year... Let's face it,if you're banking on Midnight Madness to help Kansas steer X.Henry & John Wall then you got another thing coming..PLEASE READ BETWEEN THE LINES PEOPLE!! X.Henry's big brother is enrolled at Memphis now~Coach Cal did not recruit CJ Henry-CJ Henry WALKED on!!! Why did he pick Memphis out of all schools in the Nation?? Because his lil brother X.Henry is coming here next year that why! Duhh! Are you Kansas people blind or something? X isnt going to Kansas...if he were sold on you guys winning a Natl Championship,tradition & Danny Manning and blah blah blah then dont you think he would've signed by now! Hmmmm.........Yep that's right think about it for a second...Plus X.Henry is always seen over there on campus kicking it & it's been that way since he was in 10th grade...He's been to Memphis Madness twice already so why not let Kansas have'em this year lol haha...And oh yea' dont bank on Wall going to Kansas either..The DDM offense has Wall's name on it...You guys better upgrade that facility over at Kansas because whether you like it or not Memphis is an NBA city that plays their home games on the same court as NBA players(and an ex NBA coach in Calipari with all of his connections) & they're around it year in & year out..Recruits are impressed with Fed Ex Forum when they visit..and let's not talk about where the Memphis Tigers basketball team practices!! That gym is so off the charts all you gotta do is go over there 1 time & you'll be impressed!!

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn...you think youre a bully? if you want a fight, bring one right here. Ill defend Kansas to the death. youre sorely mistaken if you think anyone is intimidated by you. making a couple of good points doesnt entitle you to strut around like a peacock. this is KANSAS, here, and on the subject of basketball it takes a whole hell of a lot more than you got to impress anyone. sit down and get an education.you better rethink that bully mentality cause youre in way over your head. I promise ya.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Oh my God you really are scaring me by writing on a freakin' blog lol..Dude get a life~you're taking this sports talk a lil too personal...and it's hilarious lol.. And yea we talk like that in the SOUTH in MEMPHIS to be exact when we feel like it's nonsense being said about our team..PARTNER! "Well point that high-powered perception at yourself and regale all of the Kansas faithful with something coherant about why Xavier hasnt signed with Memphis by now"ok well to let you guys tell it-KANSAS has more tradition than Memphis~So on that note alone he should've chose Kansas a lonnnnnng time ago over little ol' Memphis....Let me go into detail! It's the same reason I told everyone D.Rose was coming to Memphis two years ago after all of this junk that was being said about playing in the Big Ten & "why would he pick Memphis over playing at traditional schools like Indiana or Illinois"? Rose visited Illinois during Midnight Madness just out of respect for saying he'd visit their campus..What ended up happening?! He signed with Memphis two weeks later..X.Henry is about to do the same thing...he's going to go to Kansas during MM & right after that he's going to announce he's signing with the University of Memphis....And when he announces it,Im going to hop right back on here say TOLD YOU SO Ms. Ross!!HAHaa Bottom line: Coach Cal is an ex NBA coach living in an NBA city & he has a ton of connections.Those recruits love him & love playing in the DDM offense..Point blank..

Billy Derringer 11 years, 7 months ago

hey shunngunn-you can have all the one and dones you want, here at kansas well take the kids that want to be part of the family and not catch the cash train.it doesnt matter the talant level of players you get, if your damm coach cant coach them in crunch time(not fouling at the end of the game lol)i cant wait to see the next choke at memphis whats the excuse going to be this year lol. we build teams here at kansas this isnt the D-LEAGUE(MEMPHIS)are players check their egos at the door and if they dont want to we send them to are X assisant coach down at memphis..when cal bolts for another job for more money well send u are scarps for a coach AGAIN.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

MORE OF THE SAME BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!WHY HASNT X ALREADY SIGNED WITH MEMPHIS ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC? IN SOUTHERN ENGLISH, WHY HADNT OL BOY DONE DID IT ALREADY?Im not interested in your prognostication for the future. Im asking you a question, one in which you laid down the logic for but when the same logic is applied to you you have difficulty answering. Is this how they do it down there? You just spout off at the mouth, disregarding whether or not you can defend your own logic?Once again for the kid in the back: Your assertion is that if Kansas were "all that" X would have committed. But uh...he's not committed to YOU.So you spend all this time talking up Memphis, yet by your own reasoning Memphis cant be that great. Ive heard rumors about how terrible Southern education was. Prove me wrong. I dare ya.

hawkitup 11 years, 7 months ago

one more thing...you said nobody in Memphis hates or disrespects Kansas...please. Give me a break. I hear it all the time here. Bitter is what you are. Bitter because the greatest Memphis team of all time couldn't get the job done.

Ender 11 years, 7 months ago

"Posted by hawkitup (anonymous) on October 6, 2008 at 7:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)shunngunn-hey man, I live here in Memphis too and you must be smokin' something...all I hear from people down here is how Memphis gave the National Championship to Kansas. Last I checked, Chalmers still had to make that three point shot. People here are SO bitter over that lost and frankly I am sick of the smack on Kansas just because Memphis had one of the greatest choke jobs in NCAA history and Kansas never gave up and outright WON the National Championship...NOTHING was given to them."Yes. I am bitter. The better team didn't win that night. And you are wrong...Memphis did give Kansas something...a gift wrapped box with a big ribbon on it. Memphis GAVE them the OPPORTUNITY to come back. And to KUs credit, they took it and ran off with it. But make no mistake about it, Memphis had Kansas down and (almost) out. Memphis had the game, then choked, tripped, and shot themselves in the foot on the way to breaking their noses on the floor....but enough about that....I cannot take any more of it....Who knows where these recruits are going. KU and UM may only get 1 each...who knows. But don't think tradition will matter much. Either program will get them ready for the next level and they all know that. They are going to look at what each has done lately, not what they did 30 years ago, and lately Memphis has been every bit as good if not better than Kansas. Like it or not, Memphis will be a force for at least the next few years. (until Calipari leaves, then Memphis will drop back down with the rest of the manure that makes up CUSA)

hawkitup 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn-hey man, I live here in Memphis too and you must be smokin' something...all I hear from people down here is how Memphis gave the National Championship to Kansas. Last I checked, Chalmers still had to make that three point shot. People here are SO bitter over that lost and frankly I am sick of the smack on Kansas just because Memphis had one of the greatest choke jobs in NCAA history and Kansas never gave up and outright WON the National Championship...NOTHING was given to them. As for your recruiting comments, there is NO WAY that Memphis lands Wall, Henry, & Robinson. I will admit that I do believe Henry is leaning toward Memphis but they will not get all three recruits. Finally, Calipari is a joke. Plan and simple if you stick him in a REAL conference (and yes I am saying C-USA is not a real conference) there is no way he has the success he has had at U of M. There is a HUGE difference between playing Duke or North Carolina twice a year. Familiarity has something to do with it...that's why Memphis has had its struggles against UT (Tennessee).

100 11 years, 7 months ago

So it comes down to A. great national exposure, ESPN every game, living and practicing amongst Legends (Manning) and their Ghosts (Chamberlain, Naismith, etc) and a much better long term career in the NBA, versus B. a year of a really nice "weird eye for the straight guy" place to live before you jump ship and go to the NBA?Seems like a no brainer for any college basketball player with a brain to make this decision -- Self's kind of recruit is more than smart enough to make the wise choice. If Calipari doesn't have them signed before late night in the Phog, it means the NCAA is videotaping every move he makes and he isn't quite able to hand over "the briefcase". In short, he knows if they attend Late Night, he may as well hand wrap a 2nd National Championship for Coach Self, to add to the first one he already helped him get.P.S. Wouldn't free throw shooting be something a future pro might want to learn in college?

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

And bitching & moaning?! You're talking about yourself CRYBABY!! hahaha lol you're the one getting emotional over this stuff...Scrambling over words?! Oh that's never me boo~POINT BLANK: X is coming here & Wall is damn near right behind him..Coach Cal is not joking around with the class of '09...you better wake up & keep putting that caffeine in your system....

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

jross1972: You guys brag on being a powerhouse,tradition,big name players,winning Championships & going to final fours,etc..Ok if Coach Self is using that as a recruiting tool X.henry signs with no hesitation,RIGHT?!! You guys are suppose to have 1 leg up over Memphis...that's my point..Memphis is not on the level of Kansas when it comes to TRADITION & HISTORY so why is it taking him so long to sign with the Jayhawks?!!Below is what I just wrote the other guy:I live right here in Memphis & I'm only talking what I know & what I SEE...I know alot of the players over there & I'm trying to tell you X.Henry is pulling all of you Jayhawk fans leg man..This dude is ALWAYS in Memphis even when the media dont know it & its been that way for the last two years..I dont understand why he's playing around with making the announcement...But hey, when November gets here you're going to see what I'm talking about...I think X loves the attention or something..I dont knowIf I were you I would'nt get my hopes up for X...it would be days I would see him at the mall walking around with Rose,CDR,& Anderson as well as various spots around town...and it didnt have anything to do with Coach Cal recruiting him..he'd just be over there kicking it with the fellas....you can say what you wanna say about me but Im only telling you what I see in Memphis

Drew Bender 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn,"When CJ Henry said he was walking on OUT of THE BLUE everybody not only in Memphis but across the nation already knew what that meant-X.Henry is coming here! That sealed the deal."Everybody said the same thing about John Wall when his AAU coach joined the coaching staff at Baylor... But that doesn't exactly look like a sealed deal either... Ignorance is bliss... Isn't it???

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

shunngunn,The cradle of college basketball boards representing the Cradle of College Basketball--that would be KU to you--welcomes you and Memphis to meet your Daddy--KU and the Kansas tradition. We've been winning national titles since the beginning of the game, when they were awarded by Eastern sports writers who would rather have had sex with the business ends of opossums than hand out national titles to tumbleweeds from Kansas. We won two sports writer titles before the NCAA tournament was even formed, probably before Memphis U started playing basketball. And if you wish to talk us out of claiming our two sports writer awarded titles, well, then while you're at it, try talking the Ohio State University, University of Alabama, University of Oklahoma and University of Southern California out of their sports writer awarded national titles in football. (Note: try that with Alabamians at your own risk. I've heard they have shot several northerners for trying to do that in the years since the BCS was formed.) But back to your education: our second coach, after Coach James Naismith, the guy who invented the frickin' game, was a fella named Forrest Allen. He was just the first coach to win over 700 games and for decades was the winningest coach in the game. Oh, and he was the father of the NCAA tournament and then won it with the first team to then go on and win an Olympic Gold with the KU starting five plus some add ons in 1952. Now, you bein' a youngin', you probably prefer more recent stats, so listen up. KU was the winningest program in college basketball during the 1990s. 82 percent. Period. Look it up.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

jross1972: Wait a min buddy...when I said I was a bully on your thread I put "lol" behind it to let you know I was only joking when I said it...This is all in good fun...i read earlier posts from your fellow Jayhawk fans disrespecting my Tigers & I had to speak up & defend them....I dont care what thread I'm on..we're talking basketball! Get an education?! Are you serious~I've already graduated from college dude...And anyway dont turn this into something personal...I'm here defending Memphis because some of the things that are said on this post is ridiculous...

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Oh, but time waits for no one, you say. Kids have short memories you say.Since 2000, KU is probably among the top three winningest programs, despite changing coaches no less. With Coach Self, the best coach in college basketball by an considerable margin today, KU will almost certainly be the winningest college basketball program when this decade ends, too. Is that recent enough for ya, youngin'?Oh, and KU won last years ring. Recent is as recent does, to paraphrase Forrest Gump, who might well have been qualified to hold a chair in philosophy and to teach the Memphis players the classics, judging from Memphis' recent graduation rates. But I digress. Overall, KU is the third or fourth winningest program in the history of the game, depending on how you count such things, and at the pace we have been winning the last two decades, we will inevitably reach the top of that list, too. And, oh, by the way, I almost forgot: we beat your a$$es for the last national title and so are, the current national champions. Do we understand each other, so far, gal youngin'? (Note: I would not have used "gal youngin'" had you not dissed one of this board's finest posters as Ms. with the intent of disrespecting him. But as I suspect you meant it in a playful jest, take my use of gal youngin' the same way. Now, back to business.)With all of the basics out of the way, I would now like to note that your coach, John Calipari is yet another excellent coach to spring from the KU program and we are always glad to see Kansas men do well. He might well be on our short list of hires should Coach Self ever depart us for the manly challenge of the NBA, though Coach Calipari's failure in the L and failure last year against us, might be a factor against hiring him away from Memphis. Note: A buddy of Coach Self owns the OKC Thunder of the NBA. Now, youngin', don't go frettin' yourself about Coach Self leavin' soon and losin' Coach Calipari to KU. Coach Self has to win another ring or two or three before he goes to the NBA to win two titles to exceed another Kansas man, Larry Brown, currently the only coach to win titles at each level. Coach Self will eventually go to the L, I suspect, youngin'. He's a fierce competitor with a great desire to be the best; that is in partly why he did not blow the game for his team the way Coach Calipari did for Memphis in KU's defeat of Memphis.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

The news is mixed.I can never remember Kansas being in on so many high recruits in the country. Clearly a championship helps recruiting, and Bill Self was already an excellent recruiter to begin with. Still, it remains to be seen whether or not Coach can close the deal on these blue-chippers. Time will tell.If any of the rest of you are like me, this shunngunn gets on my nerves a little bit. The audicity of a Memphis fan to come and breathe fire on our message boards takes a lot of courage, Ill tell you that. But you know what? He's right about a lot of things.1. Memphis didnt even recruit CJ, and had even orally committed to Kansas! Makes you wonder why he chose Memphis if X werent heavily considering going there too. 2. Tradition doesnt win championships, players and coaches do. If tradition won championships, we'd win the tournament every single year. That's not the case. The reality is you have to recruit. You have to coach. You have to gel. You have to play.3. Memphis' rise to prominence is akin to UNLVs of days gone by. I hadnt even considered this until it was stated. The outstanding question is whether or not there will be any longevity to this resurrection of sorts.4. Memphis' facilities are probably better in the eyes of recruits than are Kansas'. We need to pour money into the program like everyone else is doing to modernize, and that includes the living conditions as well.5. Calipari's NBA connections should not be underestimated. Even if his actual sway is not as great as advertised, his PERCEIVED power by recruits has value. This may be the big advantage Memphis really has: an NBA Coach speaking NBA language in an NBA facility. I will say shunngunn is smoking crack about Conference USA. That place is a JOKE! Jaybate. Those last two posts of yours are poetry. Issues are very well put and I gotta say you hit at the heart of a lot of what's going on. It appears that the Kansas vs. Memphis battle didn't end with the final buzzer in San Antonio.

11 years, 7 months ago

Superb discourse jaybate, more so than usual.

Nutflush21 11 years, 7 months ago

Good lord how many schollies does Memphis have? They just got a committment from Darnell Dodson. They also have Nolan Dennis and Will Coleman coming in next year as well.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

to hawkitup:Who are you fooling homie!??lol You're not from Memphis talking like that about our own school & Coach Cal..If Coach Cal is a joke then how in the hell is he able to recruit the way he does fool?! Go to the ELITE 8 three years in a row on the way to a Final Four & NC runner up this year?!...So I guess he's been lucky since '96 when he had UMASS on the map too huh?!! Grow up man!I'll admit this, Coach Cal is no John Wooden or Bobby Knight when it comes to coaching...But you gotta give the man his props for what he's done during his time in Memphis...That's why I said YOU cant be from Memphis talking smack against SUCCESS!And I know one thing I was at the Final Four in San Antonio..with 2 mins to go in that game & we're up 9 points, there were a whooooooooooole lotta Jayhawk fans putting their jackets on hitting the exits BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT their team had lost! No lie... So dont go there with the "Kansas outright won" crap..Kansas won the Nat'l Championship.'Nuff said. Memphis didnt hit the free throws to seal the deal..and the end result is we lost.Period.How do you figure we cant land all three recruits?! Are you crazy or something?! And we're still recruiting Lance Stephenson,Derrick Favors, & Renardo Sidney..You better recognize what's going on over here in the M-town homie!Haha..Coach Cal is building a Monster program whether you sit there whining about weak and power conferences or not..It all comes down to WHAT YOU DO IN MARCH-Perfect example:Umm didnt BRADLEY beat a loaded KANSAS squad in the '06 tourney? Didnt George Mason beat Michigan State,North Carolina & Uconn in the '06 tourney to advance to the final four?! Yea,thought so DUMMY! If conferences matttered & get you so prepared for March Madness then how in the hell those schools lose to a Mid-Major team? Can you please explain that??! I want you & every idiot on this post that's got something negative to say about our so-called weak conf to keep sitting there thinking Memphis is going away...it sure as hell didnt help Mississippi State,Michigan State,Texas & Ucla this year when they played us in the tourney this past March..So you can continue to be haters all you want but the fact of the matter is this:Memphis is going to make some noise in the '09 tourney too~you can bank on it!!

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Im just having a lil fun on you guys post JROSS1972! lol I guess you can call me a bully or something...And yes you're right C-USA is a joke! And UNLV played in a conf just like ours and were still successful back in the TARKANIAN days..Thats why I dont understand why people are constantly ragging on what conferences these teams play in...if that were the case Memphis would lose in the 1st or 2nd round every year...

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

And oh yea' who the hell recruits players that shoot free throws well?!!lol Man grow up...Point blank.Shooting free throws is all mental..you cant recruit players simply based on "hey Im recruiting you because we like the way you shoot free throws" hahaha Man get real!

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

not buyin it...if Memphis is truly better than Kansas and if committing to a school early is the measure for greatness of a program as you suggest, then X should have committed to you by now. I see I have you scrambling trying to defend an indefensible statement. One of many! Measure your words before they are made available to the public.Now you question why I might put you through so many hoops. The fact is you come here talking out of the side of your neck about how great Memphis is versus Kansas. I have no problem saying Memphis is a good ball club. But dont you come on here disrespecting my Jayhawks and then bitch and moan that Im insulting YOU!I WILL have something to say, you can trust and believe...PS. Hows that Championship celebration goin'? Oh...wait a minute...

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Hey derringer29: Look back at the tape D.Rose DID foul him,the stupid ref didnt make the call lol but it's cool.We choked on the free throw line & you guys capitalized on it & won...I didnt come on this thread to diss Kansas~I came on here to defend Memphis...I saw alot of negative comments being made about my Tigers so I'm simply defending them & I dont care about this being a Kansas thread...You guys are acting Coach Cal is some type of high school coach or something..The man is building a powerhouse program down here in the big M-Town! You can hate all you want to but facts is facts!

lv_jhwk 11 years, 7 months ago

From the various reports I have seen, KU and Memphis are going head-to-head on at least five top-notch recruits: Wall, Henry, Stephenson, Robinson, and Cheek. And last I checked, neither school can give schollies to all of them.Can we all just admit that any two of those five would be a good get, and that a third would be great?! Obviously it wouldn't be the best to lose out on the others to the same school (nor do I know if any of those have high interest in any other schools), but let's not forget the bigger picture.

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

Nutflush...Thanks for the links to the interviews. I listened to part of the Dodson interview and then listened to the X interview. I say let Memphis have Dodson. I mean if you haven't listened to the interviews, do yourself a favor!I was quite impressed with X's interview. He was very self-possessed and answered the questions and did so intelligently and with a nice personality! I don't know which school he will choose, but I would like this intelligent and talented young man to come play ball at KU, even if it is for only one year! He has a tough choice, but two good choices.Play with his brother.Play where his father and mother went to school.I think it has to be a coin-flip. Quick someone give him a one-sided KU coin.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

thats a copout. answer the question!your charge is that if Kansas is so great then X would have chosen us by now. then you go on and tell about how wonderful Memphis is, but acknowledge X hasnt chosen you yet either.now make some sense since you are so ready to point things out as "ridiculous". youve got a conundrum on your hands.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

D.ROSE pulled this same stunt with Illinois & Indiana fans! I went on their blogs & tried to tell them what was about to happen... But you're not listening...Memphis dont need CJ Henry to play pg! The guy is here because of X & thats the only reason...I mean Stevie Wonder can see this from 10 miles away! Jesus Christ give me a break already!!! Read between the lines..that's all you gotta do

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

Is that how they talk in the South? "Blah, blah, blah" every few sentences? Or is that just the rambling of someone who has nothing better to say. Im fittin'a step on your blue suede shoes. Step back or step up. Nobody talks trash on Kansas and wins. I hope you had your caffeine cause you got a long fight ahead of you...

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Wait, hold up ma'am! These fans dissed my Tigers on those earlier posts..That's how I ended up on here in the first place...If you go back & read my 1st couple of posts I didnt disrespect Kansas not one time...as a matter of fact nobody in Memphis dislikes your team before or after the game...I had a problem with some of the crap those people were talking on those earlier posts...I didnt say anything about Memphis being better than Kansas..you're putting words in my mouth..Bottom line is this:you came at me about this X.Henry junk & I'm trying to tell your crazy butt the kid is not going to Kansas...he's playing games through the media with you guys...When CJ Henry said he was walking on OUT of THE BLUE everybody not only in Memphis but across the nation already knew what that meant-X.Henry is coming here! That sealed the deal...you can keep being naive if you want to MA'Am but I feel sorry for you if X got your hopes up

keith horinek 11 years, 7 months ago

One thing to remember here, there are only a handfull of schools that these kids go to because of tradition, KU, UK,NC,Duke,UCLA come to mind. The rest of these kids go to schools based on the coach they want to play for not the school or city. That is all Memphis has going for it, their coach. If Calapari was coaching in Alaska, they would go there. They don't go to Memphis for Memphis. KU has both, tradition and an outstanding coach, not to many schools have that.

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

To Caramel: I used the Texas game as an example..you're trying to use the Power Conf excuse..If conferences really mattered man then TEXAS,MICHIGAN STATE,UCLA,Georgetown,Arizona,UConn,Gonzaga,Oklahoma(teams we beat last year) would whoop our butts!! You can keep talking noise all you want to about Memphis playing in a weak conf & so on & so on but it all comes down to WHAT YOU DO IN MARCH brother!!! Another example:GEORGE MASON beat Michigan State,North Carolina & UCONN to advance to the final four in 2006...So did being from a big bad power conf help those 3 teams when March Madness rolled around!?Dude PLEASSSSSSSE come with another excuse other than "MEMPHIS plays in weak a conf"...thats old..we can play anybody on any given night & absolutely run them off the court..You people on these threads get caught up too much with the names on the front of the jerseys instaed of the athletes IN the jersey'sThe NCAA commitee dont GIVE you high seeds for nothing..you have to earn it due to your RPI...you oughta know this stuff already

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Hey Ms. Ross lol you got jokes because you're trying to turn bball talk into me sounding ignorant lol im sitting back smiling at you because i see I got you riled up over there..ok but since you wanna get into insults lets go for it...since you are so sloooooowHe has'nt signed with Memphis yet MZ IDIOTIC because it's out of respect of keeping his word that he'll visit Kansas for their Midnight Madness activities...and his parents went there also...that's the only damn reason this kid is playing mind games with you Kansas fans...but ok go ahead & keep coming at me with the insults...:-)Dont be upset when I jump back on here in Nov & say I TOLD YOU SOOOOOOO hahaha...

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

To Jaybate,I usually think you get too wound-up and pontificate, but I say Pay Yea Heed...Today you waxed quite eloquently!

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

to dagger108: You made some good points...and you're right you'll be hearing from me in a month also...I live right here in Memphis & I'm only talking what I know & what I SEE...I know alot of the players over there & I'm trying to tell you X.Henry is pulling all of you Jayhawk fans leg man..This dude is ALWAYS in Memphis even when the media dont know it & its been that way for the last two years..I dont understand why he's playing around with making the announcement...But hey, when November gets here you're going to see what I'm talking about...I think X loves the attention or something..I dont know lol...

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

To Ender,I think the better TEAM did win.KU missed the first free throw they shot and then made EVERYONE after that. How many throws did the M miss?Collins makes a steal and then makes a three, Chalmers hits the three to tie. KU players made plays in crunch time.KU's coach called his last time out and designed a great play to get a shot at the tie, what did the M's coach do, not much.Every time M looked around KU was putting in fresh players. No KU players fouled out.When two good teams get together the game usually ebbs and flows for both teams. KU was up earlier by 7, M was up 9 before KU made the comeback.So where is the gift-wrap? KU wasn't given the game, we TOOK it! Quit moaning and whining. M lost, man up!

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 7 months ago

of course....Coach Cal need to move his ex to Big conference and prove it..sorry shunngunn!! C USA...??? what C USA.... get real man.

Joe Ross 11 years, 7 months ago

i agree thats whats rational, but thats not his assertion. in fact there IS NO satisficatory answer. nothing can satisfy his own claim. to do this, Xavier would already have had to have committed to Memphis. Not in the future...NOW! He hasnt...

Billy Derringer 11 years, 7 months ago

whats the problem shunngunn the good ol boys back home cant type and have this conversation on there own damm site--go-leave-bounce-your boring me already with this damm converstion all that matters is you lost, we won and thats it..so damm give it a brake get over it, no matter how much u bitch and mone we are the damm champs and u guys are just praying for another chance. NAME me one memphis player that has a real career in the nba you guys dont develope anything cause your league sucks and dont prepare them to be succesful in the league, plain an simple ku must have really smoked your chicken man to spend this much time tryen to piss us true blue die hards off damm do you need to take a lession from some muzz fans or what

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

I see I got jaybate and the rest of you ROCKCHALK fans riled up today lol..Yo! Jaybate!! I did'nt need a history lesson homie! You could've saved that..these 5 star recruits in the 21st Century don't give a damn about your team's history~that's what you need to understand. Wall,Henry & Robinson would've signed a long time ago if it was based on Kansas Tradition..Im thinking we could get all three but I'll take that back..I say we get two out of the three..Wall & Henry.If you read my earlier posts I gave Kansas their props on beating us & for being a good team..I didnt disrespect them or none of that..Kansas & Memphis were the two best teams in the nation hands down..You guys won & we lost.Period. I'm going to leave this board on this note: Calipari is setting up a machine in Memphis. You can keep insulting him & the Tigers all you want but you better realize what's about to happen..these last 3 years have'nt been fluke seasons..success is a process. When we sign Henry(and you better pray to GOD Wall dont sign the dotted line with the Tigers) next month,I'll be jumping back on here to irritate you 'Hawk fans some more lol ADIOS!

kupark 11 years, 7 months ago

The stat is that 20 million people day each year due to hunger, including infants. There is widespread destruction around the world, the economy is falling apart here, we're bent upon constantly being at wars and you guys have all the time and your engergies in the world to waste on such superficial things as which recruit is going where and what's the status of KU and Memphis in BB?! Shame on all of you.Go read a book or maybe a newspaper or curren affairs. This is unhealthy obesession. And, FYI I didn't read the back and forth discussion with this Memphis dude and you guys. Enough is enough.

justanotherfan 11 years, 7 months ago

Funny thing about that National Championship game - I don't think EITHER team played their best game. If you look at the three previous Memphis games, they mauled Michigan State, rolled Texas and stomped UCLA. Those were probably their three best games last year. KU played the best half of basketball all year against UNC. Their best game was probably against Texas Tech when they could do no wrong on either end, or Texas in the Big XII tournament.I also disagree with the whole, Memphis players aren't as good as KU's guys, or vice versa. They were about even, really.Taggart, Dozier and Anderson are all second round NBA prospects. The fact that none of them left school last year doesn't take away from that. Why jump to be an end of the second round guy. Our guys left because they were seniors. Had they been juniors, both Sasha and DBlock would have returned to Lawrence.The rotations were very even.Rose, Anderson, CDR, Dozier and Dorsey vs. Robinson, Chalmers, Rush, DBlock and Shady. Probably a dead heat. The benches - Kaun, Aldrich, Collins vs. Kemp, Taggart, Mack. Also very even.In the title game BOTH teams cut their rotations down. Memphis basically went six deep, but Taggart only got 24 minutes. KU went seven deep, but RussRob and Sasha only played about 20 minutes apiece. Both teams basically went to their NBA quality guys. For KU that meant Collins, Chalmers, Rush, Jackson and Arthur. For Memphis that was Rose, Anderson, Dorsey, Dozier and CDR. That entire game was basically our best five against their best five, and at the end of regulation, it was a dead heat. Neither team played their best game, but both played games worthy of that stage.

Ender 11 years, 7 months ago

boohoo. grow up already.not here to flamebut since you started it...you're an idiotexample: "Nobody after CDR, Rose and Dorsey who could play significant minutes on any of KU's last FIVE teams"

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 7 months ago

yeah of course you dont see that game as an A game of Memphis...Cuz when Memphis plays big schools they match up and they actually have to compete. They are not playing with those small profile schools in C USA....I KU kills their small opponents in scoring margin before big 12 conference... almost every year.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Ender,Of course KU was the better team. More talent--We had more guys drafted.More depth--your bench proved pathetic. Good lord, man, Kaun, or Aldrich either one, would have started your fricking team, and given Dorsey some of the help that that stud deserved (and needed).Stronger--except for Dorsey, our guys shoved your players around the floor like they were stick figures.Better jumpers--we were rejecting your shots the whole night, even when you were getting some rebounds and put backs afterwards.Better FT Shooters--night in and night out we were a much better FT shooting team that your bunch of brick artists, and we weren't a particularly good FT shooting team.More experience--our cornerstones had been in D1 much longer than yours.Waaaay Better Coaching--Self rallied his team from a deficit to a win; Calipari coached his team out of a big lead.Frankly, I overestimated the Memphis pussies.The only reason the game was even close was that we had to play our best game and leave it on the floor against UNC to get there. Clearly, Coach Self looked at UNC and Memphis and decided that UNC was the team you had to bring your A-Game to beat. He was right. We beat you on a night when all we had was defense. We were flat the entire night against Memphis until the last 2 minutes of regulation and the OT. On a good night, we would have run your team out of the frickin' arena.I'm sick of listening to all this spin and historical revisionism. It started with that access whore, Dick Vitale, spinning hard against Calipari and away from the fact that KU, playing its B Game, beat Memphis for the championship. Memphis played its A Game vs. KU. They just never played against a defense like KU's before. Don't feel bad. That KU team was the greatest defensive team of all time. Period.

Ender 11 years, 7 months ago

Laughable. Just b/c Calipari rode his starters until they were frothing at the mouth doesn't mean the Tigers didn't have a good bench. This is a major fault of Calipari's. And for all of those examples, one FT in the last 2 mins and NONE of them would have mattered. Like said, we gift wrapped the OPPORTUNITY for KU to come back from the dead. and like I said, credit KU for taking the OPPORTUNITIES and making EVERY ONE of them count. and it took every one of them. props for KU on that. The game was ours and we BLEW it, plain and simple. And Memphis by no means played their A game. I don't know about KU compared to how they usually play because I only saw one or two of their other games, but I watched every one of the Tigers games, and that was NOT their A game.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

kvskubball,Glad I could hit your sweet spot for a change. I'll keep trying to raise my average.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Man, first that shunngunn youngin' with no facts.Now Ender, the child with no starter!It is always highschoolers pretending to be grown ups that start with 'laughable.' The baby sitters in the next room right?Caught us on an off night and we still beat you!No bench.Nobody after CDR, Rose and Dorsey who could play significant minutes on any of KU's last FIVE teams.If you are the best Memphis has for lurkers, Memphis needs to send all their fans to Remedial Posting 101.Now go to your baby sitter and ask her to give you some Desitin, kid.I'm one of the gentle guys on the board.Some of the men here could hurt your feelings with their posts.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Again, I ask, where are the great basketball people in Memphis? Memphis has one of the finest highschool and play ground basketball traditions in USA. One of my best friends from childhood moved from KC to Memphis and played in those M-town city leagues. It made him waaaay better than he would have been had he stayed in KC. Don't stone me for saying that folks in KC, but it was true, at least back in the dark ages. They ball in M-Town. I thought they could post too. A university formerly known as Memphis State has had some terrific teams, even if they haven't won any rings, or generated as many pro players that won NBA rings. Good talent comes out of Memphis regularly. I would love it if KU landed the best of it. Memphis has its legends, too, they just aren't as big as those from KU.And Beale street may never have been able to talk until the great James Baldwin gave its memory to a Memphis homie trying to make it in the Apple, but Memphis basketball fans always have spoken intelligently and stylishly about the game. But we get shunngunn youngin'.And now Ender. Ender? Ender "not here to flame/but since you started it.../you're an idiot" Ender? Is Ender even in the dumb tail of the distribution of Memphis' brain dead patients on life support? Tell me Ender is just an epsilon, a sigma squared, an error factor? God, tell me he's a mutant! Tell me they are both mutants. Tell me Memphis has not devolved to Ender! It is almost too pathetic to contemplate.Memphis, Tennessee, R U there?Ender?Help me, help me, help me, I think I'm going insane! Memphis is civilization's only out post in the entire state of Tennessee!Ender?ChildeEnder (that's Childe, you moron, not chilled), if you can't write respectfuly and lucidly about how KU beating Memphis for the ring, or about how KU was the better team, or about how KU beat Memphis with KU's B-game, or about how Memphis choked, or about how DRose got worked by our short guards, or about how BRush muzzled CDR, or about KU's fabulous come-back, or about "the shot," or about Memphis stealing defeat from the jaws of victory, or about how KU beat Memphis on one of KU's off nights (oops, I mentioned that already), or about how Memphis' lousy free throw shooting came back to bite them, or about how KU's bigs were more athletic and more skilled than MU's bigs, or about Calipari's botched coaching down the stretch, then don't pollute the pixels here.This isn't the kind of a board you're apparently used to.When people say dumb, disrespectful things here, they get called on it, Childe.Go to Miss Mint Julip's Refining School for the Digitally Challenged there in Memphis and come back when you get it.We don't need a Memphi-pimp. If we do, we'll hire a good one.We have the ring.You don't.Pass the sauce.

heavyd0512 11 years, 7 months ago

EnderI didnt think "almost"counted in basketball!Of course the better team won.....5 players taken in the draft and Rrobinson got a look......your coach must have been high that night totally got out coached.I am hearing about Memphis sending all these guys to the NBA, other then penny who else is there that has had even an average NBA career?No need to mention all the Hawks in the League and there accomplishments.This is almost like an MU fan trying to compare something where the is ABSOLUTELY no comparison at all!!

shunngunn 11 years, 7 months ago

Haha Jaybate I see I'm still in your head lol you're still on here talking trash about me & my city...3 days later..If you read every post on here from me, I gave your team props for winning the NC. I got on here in the 1st place because I saw some disrespect towards the Tigers by the 'Hawk fans and to discuss the recruits Memphis & Kansas are battling for..You're the one that's trying to be confrontational and write a 3 page EPIC every time you speak. If Memphis had've won the C'ship,you'd still get on here & brag about the KANSAS TRADITION & GIVE OUT HISTORY LESSONS lol grow the hell up FOOL! You guys won the NC & congrats..I never made an excuse for Memphis getting beat..Let's talk about NOW-the '08-'09 year & the Class of '09 recruiting. Like I said earlier, you just wait til next month 'POTNA'!! Get ready to flex those muscles in your fingers "BUDDY"! I see how easy it is to ruffle your feathers,Mr. Jayhawk haha

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

Letters of a Memphis Schizo...RearEnder,Ha ha...its so easy to get we Mempuss Tigers fur rubbed the wrongway. LOL. Ha ha. LOL. Ha-ha. LOL. Ha-ha. LOL. Best,shunngunn youngin'-----------shunngunn youngin',What are we, 12? if not, we are sure acting like it.Again, we are idiots. Childish ones at that.Best,RearEnder---------------See following Attached Memo from the Memphis Department of Basketball Disabilities and Hoop InsanityOctober 9, 2008From: Elvis Presley, Director, Memphis Dept. of Basketball Disabilities and Hoop InsanityTo: jaybate, KU basketball fan and quixotistRe: Patient # 438404 alias shunngunn youngin' alias RearEnder alias EnderPlease be advised that a 12 year old juvenile with a split personality has recently escaped from the City of Memphis' Juvenile Hospital for Basketball Disabilities and Hoop Insanity. This child suffers acute delusions commonly associated with Memphis Basketball Grandeur Syndrome, a psychopathology known to have arisen among a small cohort of Memphis homies of clinically low self esteem, after the University of Kansas defeated Memphis University for the NCAA National Basketball Championship without KU bringing its A-game. If you, or anyone you know, are contacted by this patient, please phone us immediately and we will arrange to have this homie picked up post haste, ipso facto, ex post ergo propter hoc, sempre fidelis, and on the double entendre.Yours very truly in Graceland,ElvisP.S.: And his momma cried.Again, Memphis, Tennessee, are you there?Note: All of the above is a spoof. Got that Ender? shunngunn? Elvis?

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

Jaybate, You should have said Everyone 'beats' a masochist, and they love it!

Ender 11 years, 7 months ago

Please don't tell me gaybait is representing the KU board. I think you have had enough sauce already. you dont need anymoreagain, you are an idiot. A childish one at thatThe only reason I posted here to begin with was in response to the disrespect shown to the team that had you beat down with 2 mins to go. Everything I said was fact, not opinion (except for the part about the recruiting), and all you can do is try to insult someone because you have nothing to counter with. What are you, 12? if not, you are sure acting like it.I even made sure to give KU their props for doing what they had to do (there, I did it again!!) and you still spout nonsense.

jaybate 11 years, 7 months ago

kvskubball,Bravo! Braaaaaavo!!!That is the sort of wit I expect out of the greatest basketball fans in the world, especially when intruded upon by the opposed-thumb challenged! (Note: that was for memhawk!)You guys are ALL better than me at this.I tell ya, I'm too fricking old to do it any more. Why I'm so old I've got cobwebs on my Astrolube bottle. (rim shot).I'm so old that when my doctor asked me to give up drugs, I thought he meant Aricept.I'm so old Wilt Chamberlain slept with ALL my sisters.I'm so old I can remember cross country skiing north of the Kaw River in the last ice age.I'm so old suppositories seem like foreplay.I'm so old I taught Clyde Lovellette to hook.I'm so old that when I met Kathleen Sebellius, I thought she was a Finnish composer. I'm so old I thought Cristina Aguilera was what De Soto was looking for.I'm so old I can remember when Woodie Allen was still funny.I'm so old I can remember when KU cheerleaders were overendowed.I'm so old Jimmy Green defended me for trying to drowned an MU alum in Potters Lake.I'm so old I can remember trolling for plesiosaurs when Kansas was an inland sea.Still, I'm draggin' these old bones out of the grave to try to light a fire here and commence another season.Its less than a week to Late Night!Basketball season does away with constipation and short term memory loss.Ah, Basketball... "Where past and future are gathered. Neither movement from nor towards,Neither ascent nor decline. Except for the point, the still point,There would be no dance, and there is only the dance.I can only say, there we have been: but I cannot say where.And I cannot say, how long, for that is to place it in time.The inner freedom from the practical desire,The release from action and suffering, release from the innerAnd the outer compulsion, yet surroundedBy a grace of sense, a white light still and moving,Erhebung without motion, concentrationWithout elimination, both a new worldAnd the old made explicit, understoodIn the completion of its partial ecstasy,The resolution of its partial horror.Yet the enchainment of past and futureWoven in the weakness of the changing body,Protects mankind from heaven and damnationWhich flesh cannot endure. Time past and time futureAllow but a little consciousness.To be conscious is not to be in timeBut only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,The moment in the arbour where the rain beat,The moment in the Allen Field House at smokefallBe remembered; involved with past and future.Only through time time is conquered."--T.S. "Phog" Eliot

heavyd0512 11 years, 7 months ago

Just curious. Why are you memphis fans alway on our web site? Is yours so pathetically boring that you have to come on the Website of the Orange Bowl and Mens Basketball national champs?Fact is: KU won the National Championship again!! Who cares who finished second? Maybe one day Memphis might win one is just any sport. Until then take your hillbilly inbred posts back to Confrence USA where they belong!Thats all!

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

Jaybate,Isn't the silence deafening from our NC challenged brethern in the lillyputian world of Mem-wuss?I wonder if they heard we landed TRob and have taken two Xantac's and called the Doctor for basketball program resuscitation? Please inform them that Dr. Lou is out!

Martin Rosenblum 11 years, 7 months ago

Heavyd0512I looked on the U of M website and couldn't find anything resembling a board for posting comments or any other interactive format like ours. Maybe that's why we're being violated by the Tiger "nation" on this board.If you think these folks are bad. Just wait until the Tennessee Vols faithful start posting here before they come to AFH in Feb. They make the Memphis fans look like Rhodes Scholars! In fact, the reason they chose orange for their school color is so they could come straight from the road crew picking up trash on the highway to the games without changing clothes.

Ender 11 years, 7 months ago

sad and boring.I am not even going to try to explain anything to you because you obviously wouldn't try to understand. Looks like I will see if I can find intelligent life on another board.

kvskubball 11 years, 7 months ago

Ender,Sorry you find us sad and boring. We're enjoying a little bit of gloating right now. You'all come back now!

heavyd0512 11 years, 7 months ago

EnderYou seem to be on here quite a bit! Just because you guys lose a 5 star to KU? Better get used to that!

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