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Originally published November 16, 2008 at 06:37p.m., updated November 16, 2008 at 11:43p.m.

FINAL: KU defeats UMKC, 71-56

Kansas guard Travis Releford leads the charge up the court against UMKC during the second half Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Travis Releford leads the charge up the court against UMKC during the second half Sunday, Nov. 16, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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2008-09 KU-UMKC basketball

Reader poll

Which non-starting Jayhawk do you think most deserves a chance to start after his performance Sunday against UMKC?

  • Tyshawn Taylor 12% 166 votes
  • Markieff Morris 48% 621 votes
  • Marcus Morris 3% 50 votes
  • Travis Releford 33% 435 votes
  • Other 0% 9 votes

1281 total votes.

Reader poll

Which Jayhawk impressed you the most in the first half against UMKC?

  • Sherron Collins 35% 72 votes
  • Tyrel Reed 20% 42 votes
  • Brady Morningstar 5% 12 votes
  • Markieff Morris 30% 62 votes
  • Other 6% 13 votes

201 total votes.

Reader poll

Who will lead the Jayhawks in scoring against UMKC?

  • Sherron Collins 60% 48 votes
  • Cole Aldrich 25% 20 votes
  • Tyshawn Taylor 3% 3 votes
  • Tyrel Reed 6% 5 votes
  • Brady Morningstar 5% 4 votes
  • Other 0% 0 votes

80 total votes.

10:30 p.m.

Kansas final point totals

Sherron Collins 16, Cole Aldrich 13, Tyrel Reed 12, Tyshawn Taylor 7, Markieff Morris 7, Travis Releford 6, Brady Morningstar 5, Quintrell Thomas 3, Marcus Morris 2.

Other notes

¢ KU finished 1-for-13 from the three-point line (8 percent).

¢ KU ended 23-of-48 from the field (48 percent) and made 24 of 37 free throws (65 percent).

¢ Markieff Morris had 15 rebounds, the most in a debut game since at least 1989. Only two other players since then have recorded double-digit rebounds in their first games: David Padgett (10) in 2003 and Wayne Simien (11) in 2001.

FINAL, KU wins 71-56.

Releford shows a smooth move in the lane, taking a couple dribbles before gliding to the rim for a finger roll. He also picked up a steal on the previous UMKC possession.

Aldrich gets on the floor to help KU corral an offensive board, and he gets rewarded a few seconds later, getting an entry pass and drop-stepping for a thunder dunk. Suddenly, KU's lead is up to 71-52.

UMKC hits two more meaningless baskets, and KU comes away with a 71-56 victory to open the year.

3:59 left in regulation, KU leads 62-52.

After two UMKC free throws, Taylor goes back to bad habits, jumping into the air without knowing where he's going with the ball. He's called for a charge, his fourth foul.

Reed is fouled on a fast break drive, and he makes two free throws.

Markieff Morris pulls down an offensive rebound, and he's really been a force on the boards for KU. That was his 14th rebound, including 11 on the defensive end.

Markieff Morris grabs another defensive board, then throws an overhead touchdown pass to Cole Aldrich on the other end. After a dribble, Aldrich rattles the rim with a ferocious jam, and KU is up 62-49.

UMKC's Hailton hits a three from the top to cut the deficit to 10.

7:28 left in regulation, KU leads 57-47.

Travis Releford comes up with two good possessions for KU. On the first one, he grabbed a rebound and raced to the other end, feeding Collins for a two. About a minute later, he stole the ball, then worked around a defender on a drive for a layup.

Some sloppy play by both teams follows with plenty of turnovers, including a three-second in the lane call that Markieff Morris didn't appreciate.

UMKC keeps jacking up threes, but they aren't falling any more. The Roos are now 7-for-25 from deep, which means they have made just three of 11 in the second half.

Collins drives in for a quick two to push KU's lead to double figures at 57-47. He has 16 points on 6-of-10 shooting.

11:28 left in regulation, KU leads 51-44.

Aldrich gets a dunk inside before UMKC's Daniel Brady puts in a layup.

Taylor follows with a lay-in, then ignites the crowd by using his quickness to steal the inbounds pass and lay in another two.

Brumagin follows with another tough three, and the Roos won't go away.

After a timeout, UMKC comes out in what appears from the baseline to be a 1-3-1 zone. Morningstar misses a jumper from the baseline, but after a Brumagin miss, Taylor is fouled on a lay-in and makes one of two free throws. KU gets an offensive rebound on the miss, and Aldrich follows with a tomahawk jam in the lane. KU has been a much better team in the second half with him in there.

Hamilton hits a jumper, but Collins goes coast-to-coast for a layup to get the points right back.

15:44 left in regulation, KU leads 40-35.

Following a Brumagin three, Aldrich hits a jumper from the circle and is fouled. After two lane violations on UMKC (Aldrich does a quasi-pumpfake on his free throws), Aldrich hits his third free throw to tie the game up.

UMKC's Spencer Johnson picks up his third and fourth personal fouls in the first 93 seconds of the half, meaning he'll have to sit for a while.

Reed hits a leaner from 15 feet, and KU takes its first lead since the first minute of the game.

Reed follows with a tough bank shot in transition, which brings even the west-side fans to their feet.

Markieff Morris comes up with a nice block off the glass, and Taylor is fouled on a sprint up the court. He makes one free throw, and KU is on an 8-0 run.

Halftime, Game tied 32-32.

Kansas scoring

Sherron Collins 10, Tyrel Reed 6, Brady Morningstar 5, Markieff Morris 5, Quintrell Thomas 3, Marcus Morris 2, Tyshawn Taylor 1.

Other stats of note

¢ KU is 1-for-11 from three-point range. UMKC is 4-of-14 from beyond the arc.

¢ KU is 15-for 21 from the free-throw line. The Roos are 6-of-11.

Make sure to vote on the new poll on the left.

Halftime, Game tied 32-32.

Brady Morningstar gets fouled on a move to the basket, and he makes one of two free throws.

Teahan picks up his second foul, and he joins Aldrich, Taylor and Marcus Morris with two personals.

After getting fouled on a rebound, Morningstar adds two more free throws to cut UMKC's advantage to 27-25.

James Humphrey hits a layup for the Roos, and Reed misses another three (KU is now 1-for-9 from deep).

Markieff Morris makes a poor decision on a pass inside for a turnover, and Mushatt hits a floating shot off the glass to push the Roos' lead back to 31-25.

KU's been running a lot of the weave up top, going to a smaller lineup with Teahan playing the four and Markieff Morris manning the five.

Collins hits two free throws after getting fouled on a jumper, and on the other end, Teahan picks up his third foul on a push inside. Travis Releford checks in for his first regular-season action as a Jayhawk.

Reed leaves another three short, and Releford keeps it alive for Markieff Morris, who is fouled on the way up. He makes one of his two free throws.

Markieff Morris hits two more free throws after getting fouled on a defensive rebound, and he makes both foul shots.

Collins gets a steal on the last possession, and Markieff Morris makes an unselfish play on the break, dishing off to Morningstar for a lay-in with 3 seconds left to make it a 32-all tie at the break.

3:54 left in first half, UMKC leads 26-22.

Scot Pollard is in attendance, and he receives a loud round of applause when he is shown on the video board.

Markieff Morris shows some good aggressiveness, holding a strong post-up before drawing a double team and making a nice pass across the lane to an open Thomas. After getting fouled, Thomas makes the two free throws to trim UMKC's lead to 21-19.

UMKC is called for a loose-ball foul (the team's 10th foul of the half), and the Roos look a little frustrated with the tight officiating. Markieff Morris puts in both free throws to tie the score at 21 and re-invigorate the crowd.

Brumagin follows with a tough, guarded, fall-away NBA three, and after a Reed missed three (KU is 1-for-7 from beyond the arc), it's becoming obvious that UMKC is content to sag back on defense to let KU try to beat it from the outside.

After a running lay-in from Fred Ford, Self calls timeout to regroup.

Collins misses another trey, but Thomas gets the rebound and is fouled on the way back up, making one of two free throws.

Taylor is called for his second charge on a drive, and he gets a scolding on the court from Collins, who tells him to pass the ball back outside.

7:56 left in first half, UMKC leads 21-17.

Reed breaks open for a layup inside, and after a UMKC turnover, Collins is fouled on his way in for a lay-in and makes one of two free throws.

Tyshawn Taylor adds another free throw after getting bumped on his way to the rim, and Collins follows with a pull-up jumper and a few enthusiastic claps to get KU with one at 16-15.

Hamilton puts in his second three, but Collins follows with a long two.

Collins later drops a pass from Taylor that would have given him an easy two, and the junior guard slams the floor twice in frustration. It's his third turnover already.

11:35 left in first half, UMKC leads 15-9.

KU has two baskets taken away on questionable charge calls, as Marcus Morris and Sherron Collins are both whistled for offensive fouls. Cole Aldrich also has two early fouls, so the Jayhawks will have to see what they can do inside without their big man.

Markieff Morris misses a three badly from the wing, and KU's offense looks out of sync.

Marcus Morris follows with an easy two off an nice pass from his twin, but a hook shot on the other end keeps UMKC's lead at four.

Marcus Morris picks up a second offensive foul in transition, and he joins Aldrich on the bench as Conner Teahan checks in.

Tyshawn Taylor, after forcing a steal, fouls Latreze Mushatt on a three, and the 6-foot-5 forward makes two of three freebies.

Teahan has already missed two threes, and the Jayhawks are struggling with their stroke.

15:56 left in first half, UMKC leads 11-7.

Sherron Collins starts the season with a three from the left wing, and he nods a few times with a smile as he backpedals down the court. UMKC quickly throws a zone on KU, and Tyrel Reed hits a shot from the elbow on the second possession.

The Kangaroos make threes on their first two possessions, and Trey McKinney-Jones follows with an 18-footer to give the Roos a brief 8-5 lead.

Reed follows with his second jumper, and the Jayhawks show some full-court, man-to-man off the made basket.

After a second made basket by Spencer Johnson, UMKC opens an 11-7 edge. The Roos haven't been intimidated so far by the hostile environment.

7:34 p.m.

Starters for tonight: Quintrell Thomas, Brady Morningstar, Cole Aldrich, Sherron Collins and Tyrel Reed.

7:27 p.m.

Some quick facts about UMKC.

¢ The Roos lost their season-opener to North Dakota, 61-56, two days ago at home.

¢ Six-foot guard Reggie Hamilton led UMKC in scoring that game, posting 22 points and also going 4-for-7 from behind the three-point line.

¢ Dane Brumagin is the leading scorer from a year ago, as he averaged 17.9 points per game. He had 11 points against North Dakota.

7:20 p.m.

No empty sections tonight. The Fieldhouse is packed to the rafters, and things look like they should for the defending national champions.

7:10 p.m.

Here are some things to look for in tonight's game against UMKC.

Will KU's bigs be able to defend UMKC's smalls? Early in the year, the Jayhawks will have a lot of matchups like this, where some bigger players like Cole Aldrich will have to go against undersized forwards like UMKC's 6-foot-4 Dane Brumagin. We'll see how the big men respond defensively and if they will have the speed to stick with some smaller opponents.

Jitters again? KU's freshmen showed some nerves in the first exhibition game against Washburn. Will they be more settled down in their first regular-season game at Allen Fieldhouse? We will see.

What's the rotation? KU coach Bill Self has often talked about ideally getting an eight- to nine-man rotation. So who gets left out tonight? So far, we've seen 10 to 11 players getting significant minutes, so we'll see who emerges in that top rotation tonight.

6:35 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from Allen Fieldhouse where the Kansas men's basketball team begins its national title defense with its season-opener against UMKC.

We'll have some pre-game analysis, along with polls and live game updates and analysis throughout the night, so be sure to check back. For now, though, make sure to vote in the poll on the left.

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dagger108 (anonymous) says...

What's the rotation? KU coach Bill Self has said in the past that an eight- to nine-man rotation is what he wants by the time conference games start. He has traditionally given 10 to 11 players significant minutes early in the season. All the more so this year with so many unknowns.

November 16, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jnewell (Jesse Newell) says...

dagger - Good point, but I still think we'll see him narrow down some minutes today for a few guys. I guess we'll see.

November 16, 2008 at 7:32 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

JNHawks (anonymous) says...

I don't get ESPNU, any help on how I can watch on the internet??

November 16, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

JayhawkCasey (anonymous) says...

I don't know how to watch it either

November 16, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Aldrich --- 2 fouls

November 16, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

JayhawkCasey (anonymous) says...

So how is this game not on local channels?

November 16, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

quit playing retarded!

November 16, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

quit officiating retardedly!!!

November 16, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

HawkFanEddie (anonymous) says...

http://www.justin.tv/cbb2k8Password: cbb2008

November 16, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

pmohr13 (anonymous) says...

This irritates me that i live in lawrence and can't get the game on tv

November 16, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

JayhawkCasey (anonymous) says...

thanks eddie

November 16, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

ESPNU is lame. No HD and most people don't get. Thanks for selling out KU.

November 16, 2008 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

junkyard (anonymous) says...

You're the man eddie!!! Thanks!

November 16, 2008 at 7:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Marcus Morris --- 2 foulsCould be an early Matt Kleinmann sighting in the foul trouble gets any worse.

November 16, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

JayhawkCasey (anonymous) says...

channel 2 it is on

November 16, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

This is going to be a long season.

November 16, 2008 at 7:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

pmohr13 (anonymous) says...

Thank you Eddie!

November 16, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Self will work his magic and get the boys whipped into a well oiled machine come conference time.

November 16, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

Seriously? 13 total fouls in less than 10 minutes playing time? please let them play!!!! Save the close calls for the end of the game.

November 16, 2008 at 7:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

NH_JHawk (anonymous) says...

thanks Eddie. Nice link!

November 16, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

melrank (anonymous) says...

Very nice Eddie. What is this web site anyway?

November 16, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

HawkFanEddie (anonymous) says...

No problem...sign up here...http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172...and you'll find some good/funny stuff.Rock Chalk!!!

November 16, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ARohrsAHawk (anonymous) says...

Eddie you have made my season

November 16, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

When Cole is not in the game, we have completely different Kansas team playing!In my opinion if KU wants to go to NCAA tourney Cole is going to have to stay away from 2 fouls in first half almost every game.

November 16, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

melrank (anonymous) says...

Eddie - are all the games on this link?

November 16, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

HawkFanEddie (anonymous) says...

I have no clue. I couldn't find the game on my cable package so I checked this website and I checked phog.net. That website I gave you guys had a post with a link and password to watch this game.

November 16, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

NH_JHawk (anonymous) says...

ice cold...

November 16, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

No perimeter game so far tonight.

November 16, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

GeeeCan UMKC miss anything???

November 16, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

They have missed a ton of shots. They are making less than 40%.

November 16, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

These announcers on ESPNU are driving me nuts! They don't get it that this "defending national champion" Kansas team is not the same team that actually won the championship!

November 16, 2008 at 8:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

Who is this clown calling the color? He is a moron.

November 16, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Dave Armstrong & Reid Gettys (sp?)

November 16, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

Quintrell has got to take it up strong! Dunk it!

November 16, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

yo RockChalin54ESPNU announcer?? if you watch every single KU game.The announcer is Dave Armstrong (Jayhawk network)

November 16, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

I'm sorry I don't know who the announcers are. They just sound like they were expecting the exact same Kansas team to walk on the court tonight that walked off after the championship game last year.

November 16, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

gcjhawk (anonymous) says...

Turn off the volume on the TV, turn on the radio and listen to Bob and Chris

November 16, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Ugly first half, lucky to get it tied up.

November 16, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

Alright! Way to go into halftime all tied up!

November 16, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

FG% = 32% 3 Pt. FG% = Less than 1%FT% = 71.4%

November 16, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

detroit here we come!

November 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Sorry.3 Pt. FG% should read less than 10%, 1%...that would be bad!

November 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Second half starting off better than the first half, except for the missed lob by Morris.

November 16, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

YES!!! These are my Jayhawks!

November 16, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

biggunz (anonymous) says...

Teahan getting this much playing time is not a good sign for this team. Not that I dislike him or anything, but him playing this much says a lot, and it's not good.

November 16, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

They are a completely different team when Cole is out there. He's gotta stay out of foul trouble.

November 16, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

You've got to take into account a couple of injuries biggunz.Little is out and I think Appleton is still on the mend. Once they get back I think Teahan gets his minutes cut. Although I would like to see more of Releford.

November 16, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

Who is this D-Bag color commentator?! Give me Fran Fraschilla any day!!

November 16, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

Taylor is one of the fastest player i have seen in a while..If i were Bill Self i would start Taylor instead of Morningstar.

November 16, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

biggunz!I get your point.

November 16, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

Agreed. Taylor over Morningstar in the starting lineup.

November 16, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

stupidmichael (anonymous) says...

Err, not Taylor. Releford.

November 16, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

hahaha

November 16, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

UMKC? We're only ahead by 10 late in the game? UMKC?!

November 16, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

Nice rebounding Markieff!

November 16, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

nnelson (Nick Nelson) says...

Sherron is making them look silly on some of these dribble moves. See the guy fall down before he passed off to Reed there? So fast.

November 16, 2008 at 9:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ibrown3 (anonymous) says...

I'm almost glad this game wasn't locally televised, because I would have certainly thrown my remote control at the tv by now. I'm not positive, but from what I have heard, Taylor has about 3 charging fouls and our bigs, specifically the Morris twins, have been rather disappointing. Also, each and every missed three pointer (an awful 1-13 from beyond the arc) has my hands tightly clutching my head, as if to squeeze my brains out through my ears.

November 16, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Yeah, I would think 15 rebounds and 6 out of 8 from the free throw line from Markieff is a disappointing game.

November 16, 2008 at 9:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

I can't wait until these freshmen get used to the D1 level and the KU system. Wow they are going to be so good!

November 16, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ibrown3 (anonymous) says...

I would hope he could get a few rebounds against UMKC who, now i'm not certain, probably don't have one player over 6'7" tall. Also, I don't know who is at fault, for I am not watching the game, but it sounds to me like UMKC has had far too many offensive rebounds. I'll give Markieff a pass since you rightfully corrected me--15 rebounds is huge. As for his twin brother, I hope you can prove me wrong with that too, but I am not sure that is the case.

November 16, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

Ah I love the sound of the Rock Chalk chant . . . even if the first half was ugly.

November 16, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BannerforKirk (anonymous) says...

Anyone freaking out about this game needs to find a new hobby. Given the nature of this team, there are going to be more games like this than not to start the year. We're spoiled fans (which is great really) but we need to remember that this is a learning experience for most of these guys.Anyone who is freaking out about the way this game went should try to find video of the Maui Invitational from Mario/Brandon/Julian's first year. This team certainly looks no worse than that team did - and there have been just as many flashes of brilliance to make you start thinking about what could be in 2-3 years.I had fun watching the game and am excited to see what Coach Self can turn these guys into.

November 16, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BannerforKirk (anonymous) says...

ibrown3 - if you haven't been watching the game, then you should really take it down a notch. It's kinda silly to be talking so much about a game you haven't been watching. And, either way, chill out. Mario was flat out embarrassed in Maui his first few games. Once these guys figure it out - they'll be a lot of fun to watch.

November 16, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

ibrown...Leading rebounder against UMKC last year was Arthur with 10, so give Markieff credit. Fifteen rebounds against any DI team is a great game, especially when you take into account it is his first one!

November 16, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

NH_JHawk (anonymous) says...

kc_wildfire,I agree. What a start for Markieff! Not too often you see someone with a 15 rebound game let alone one to start your collegiate career. Way to go M K Morris.

November 16, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

dagger108 (anonymous) says...

Amen Banner! We definitely need to regularly remind ourselves, and everyone else blogging, that these are mostly freshmen, and at best first year 'Hawks - for almost the entire team. It's not een like there are many veterans to fall back on. It was great to see the leadership of Sherron and Cole.

November 16, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bradam (anonymous) says...

I could not agree with that more, BannerforKirk. Except I couldn't watch it (no espnu). Radio and sportsline live kept me glued though.

November 16, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Bleed_Crimson_Blue (anonymous) says...

Anyone getting riled up about our struggles definitely needs to chill out! The first half of this year is going to produce our fair share of losses.Winning the national title was GREAT, but have fun with this season. It's not every year KU has relatively low expectations. Enjoy watching our kids grow and hopefully, by tournament time, we can make a little run!Rock Chalk!

November 16, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

NH_JHawk (anonymous) says...

on the other hand we shot 7% from 3pt range. 7%!!!!that part of the game reminded me of last year's Baylor game.....terrible.

November 16, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ibrown3 (anonymous) says...

BannerforKirk-We were playing a UMKC team that also lost 8 players from last years team--we weren't the only young team out there. In addition, being the passionate KU fan that I am, I think I, or anyone, for that matter, has the right to be critical of the team they love. I'm not going to sit here and lie, saying what I heard sounded like a great ballgame (give me a game like that against a great team and I won't be as critical). However, a game like that against a very young UMKC team that just lost to North Dakota made me very uneasy. I never said this is going to be the team we will see in a couple of months or a couple years--I know they will be better, much better, in fact. But please don't sit here and tell me I can't be critical of my favorite team that is struggling against UMKC and hit just one three pointer in thirteen attempts (to my last count). I don't know, hopefully it looked a lot better on television, but it sure was nerve-racking to listen to.

November 16, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bradam (anonymous) says...

Tuesday's game is on espnu again, that stinks. Wish I had seen Eddie's link before the game ended. Must try it then. Only 2 bars in this 3-stoplight town and don't know if they will have the game.

November 16, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Definitely lots of things to critique from the game...Perimeter shootingThomas needs to get stronger, loved the energy and hustle thoughWould love to see Taylor's FT% get better as a PG and someone who will more than likely have the ball in his hands a lot late in the gameAldrich cannot rack up silly fouls early in the game because against better teams that will hurt usBut I will take a 15 point win with 60% of the minutes played by freshman. Can't wait until Tuesday for the next game.

November 16, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

rockchalkin54 (anonymous) says...

ESPN.com doesn't even have Markieff listed on the roster. I got this from the Play-By-Play: "Marcus Morris made Two Point Layup. Assisted by Marcus Morris." How sad is that?

November 16, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ibrown3 (anonymous) says...

rockchalkin54- If ESPN.com keeps that up, Marcus Morris is going to have an incredible stat sheet this season.

November 16, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BannerforKirk (anonymous) says...

Actually ibrown, I think it kinda makes you an overcritical, spoiled fan (my original version of this post was a bit less nice, but it's early in the season). I think that kc_wildfire, for example, strikes a fair balance in recognizing those things that weren't great and that need work, while still being a positive fan and recognizing the situation. You, on the other hand, just complained and minimized Markieff's pretty impressive debut, all while admitting to not actually watching the game. Take away the 3's (which happened to last year's team more than once as well) and they weren't actually that bad in a lot of other ways.And if you're going to claim a right to be critical of the team (which is a nicer thing than you actually were originally), then I'm going to claim a right to criticize your posts and tell you that you're wrong and setting expectations that aren't realistic. I'm also going to say that you should chill out and actually try to enjoy this team and the learning experience that these players are going through. Coach Self will do the job of coaching these guys, correcting their mistakes, and turning them into the team we know they will. I just think that overcritical fans who come on blogs and criticize the team (after a 15 point win), especially after not having watched the game, are frankly kind of silly.I'm going to celebrate the great play of Markieff (and very nice play of others), enjoy the win, and enjoy the ride in this season where no one should have too high of expectations.

November 16, 2008 at 10:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RyanHawk (anonymous) says...

Releford should be playing more. He played like 30 seconds in the first half. I'm glad he played more in the 2nd half. Was he being disciplined for some reason? He was the leading scorer in the 3 Canada games. He plays a lot like Rush and adds some height at a guard spot. I'm not sure if we can start 3 guards that are 6"1' or under. Reed or Morningstar should start the other should come off the bench because they are basically the same player.

November 16, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

vmwskywalk (anonymous) says...

Amen Kirk!At this rate Ibrown, you won't survive the season. For your sake and everyone elses.....Chill!

November 16, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Mangino_Maniac (anonymous) says...

It is going to be awesome watching this team develop... all those new faces are fun to watch!

November 16, 2008 at 10:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kvskubball (anonymous) says...

jbrown3 and other chicken littles,I think you are expecting too much of an inexperienced team. Did the team look bad in the first half, yes. Did they play much better in the second half (With Cole out there), yes. Are the 'Roos a good team, no. That's my point. We aren't a really good team YET either, but our talent will shine thru with a few more games under our belts. Also, when we get our jucos back, that will help.So we should all realize now that we have a VERY young team that doesn't have much of a clue of how each player likes to play, or how to play together. That will come with real games, but its going to be a turbulent and bumpy ride, so get ready for it and get real about your expecting this team to be last year's team, it's not and it will not be, but it will improve, so relax!It had to be sort-of incredible to play your first game as a Hawk in The Fieldhouse, and by my count, at least 5 players played their first game. So I cut the new/young guys a lot of slack. Five games from now this team will look and play a lot better, and ten games after that they will be even better.Let me give one example of some improvement that will come. Tonight MK Morris made two good passes from one side of the lane to the other big on the other side of the lane. He showed very good presence to drop the ball off when he was doubled. Now the passes weren't great passes, because each time the pass hit the other player at about the waist, which means the other big had to take time to bring the ball up and guess what, the defense was able to react. As he gets more experienced, the passes will be higher and easy slams or layups. Oh, and no, I don't expect him to get 15 rebounds every game, but it showed that he is getting good position and is hustling.I like what I see, but I expect this team to lose several early games against good teams, and perhaps against not so good teams. This year's team is a work-in-progress, last year's team was a finished good. Those who can't see the difference are going to be really disappointed, while the rest of us who understand, will accept these losses and know that it will be part of the learning process.One thing about the coaching. I really like that Coach did not put Cole back in the game in the first half, after his 2 fouls in the first 3+ minutes. This allowed the rest of the team to struggle and try to play without him, so they will appreciate him more and be sure to get him the ball when he is in there. It also gave Coach a read on how the team will look without him, in a word it was pretty UGLY! But all part of the learning process.Rock Chalk Jayhawks!!!

November 16, 2008 at 10:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kvskubball (anonymous) says...

vmwskywalk I was busy writing my tome... you said it very nicely!

November 16, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

MOJHawk (anonymous) says...

Oh come on everybody, you all knew this was going to be a roller coaster ride when you came into the amusement park. We are going to see wild ups and downs from game to game, half to half, heck, play to play.The one constant to remember is that Coach Bill and Coach Danny will ride these kids hard to get with the program. The ability is definitely there, the execution is a work in process, the results will eventually come.The biggest hurdle on us the fans part is ourselves. The forty two plus years I have been a Jayhawk, patience with less than stellar basketball has never been my strong suit.....by the tone of the posts, I am not alone.

November 16, 2008 at 11:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Nutflush21 (anonymous) says...

Who else is glad to see Morningstar back on the bench where he belongs? Releford finally getting meaningful minutes in the 2nd half was great. Hopefully we can knock off this Teahan, Morningstar crap and actually have athletes on the floor from here on out.

November 16, 2008 at 11:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

86finalfour (anonymous) says...

I love releford, already. He reminds me of a steve woodbury.

November 17, 2008 at 12:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )