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Jayhawks suffer costly setback to NU
The last time the Kansas football team was victorious in Nebraska was 1968. The stakes were high for the Jayhawks on Saturday and conditions were on the chilly side in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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While its defensive line has struggled to apply pressure and its secondary has been almost completely overhauled and its pass defense has learned just how valuable Aqib Talib and James McClinton were, the Kansas University football team always could fall back on its proven ability to stop the run.
Through their first nine games of the 2008 season, the Jayhawks gave up just 111 yards a game (third-fewest in the Big 12), held five opponents to less than 100 yards on the ground and rarely gave up a big play to an opposing running back.
During Saturday's 45-35 loss to Nebraska, however, Kansas' run defense was far from stout, giving up 167 rushing yards and an average of 4.8 yards per carry against a Huskers team playing largely without its top rusher.
"The things that we said we had to do today, we did not do," Kansas coach Mark Mangino said. "We said all week that we had to stop their run; we did not do that effectively, at least not in key situations."
Earning most of the team's carries due to an injury to preseason All-Big 12 running back Marlon Lucky, Nebraska reserve Roy Helu Jr. finished with 115 yards and two touchdowns on 16 carries, including a 52-yard burst early in the fourth quarter that marked the longest touchdown run Kansas has surrendered this season and provided a significant shift in momentum.
"Coming into the game, all week we were focused on stopping the run, stopping the run, stopping the run," said KU cornerback Justin Thornton of Helu's fourth-quarter score that gave the Huskers a 31-21 lead. "And in the end, late, when we need a stop and they bust something like that, it definitely hurts."
The inability to stop the run was an uncharacteristic hiccup for a team in dire need of a victory to remain a factor in the race for the Big 12 North title, and Sunday Mangino was more than a little unsettled with what he'd seen the day before.
"I didn't think we did a good job in our front seven of playing our gaps," he said. "We got cut off too many times. And then we tackled very poorly. There were several occasions where we actually blitzed into the gap that they were running in and we missed a tackle."
The Jayhawks lost for the third time in their past four games and put themselves in an almost insurmountable hole in terms of winning the North.
Unless Kansas can somehow find a way to beat fourth-ranked Texas on Saturday at Memorial Stadium, then No. 12 Missouri on Nov. 29 (with Nebraska losing somewhere along the way), the Jayhawks will fall short of the Big 12 championship game Dec. 6.
"Once we get on this bus ride and have a second to think about this and how much this really sucks, we'll go home and tomorrow we'll get after it," Thornton said Saturday. "We'll be ready for Texas. We lost tonight, but Texas better not come in and sleep on us, because we're coming ready to play."
Kansas quarterback Todd Reesing, who was limping noticeably during the fourth quarter of Saturday's loss, sustained no serious injury, Mangino said Sunday.
"Todd's fine," said Mangino, who doesn't disclose the specifics of player injuries. "He'll be fine."
Additionally, starting cornerback Daymond Patterson, who left Saturday's game due to an undisclosed injury, is expected to be ready for the team's game against Texas.
"We have a number of guys who are banged up," Mangino said. "A number of them are playing. They're not letting it stop them, and I think as a coach, you appreciate those guys that'll really tough it out. I think, like a lot of teams, we're banged up in some areas, but we've got a number of kids that just continue to compete."
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Comments
njjayhawk (anonymous) says...
Texas 59; KU 28.
November 10, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
eastcoasthawk (anonymous) says...
This game wasn't just about Championships and the North title. This game was about locking in a bowl. What are the chances that a 7th team from the league gets one? Because that is where we stand right now.
November 10, 2008 at 6:29 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hogspot (anonymous) says...
I think that's generous giving us 28 points when Tech scored 36 in Lubbock...I will say it now, but our offensive line will not be able to stop there defensive line...Todd is going to be under pressure the entire game, and it's a damn good thing he makes plays happen with his feet! We let a very porous Nebraska front 4 handle us with ease, and if Texas can rush us the entire game with 4 players...we will be in trouble. Not going to say I hope we don't beat the hell out of the Longhorns (because everyone knows they have one bad road game a year...hopefully Tech wasn't it), but that game, like all others, will be dictated by our offensive and defensive lines. We have to get pressure on McCoy and keep Reesing off the ground or it will be almost a replica of that Texas Tech game that gives us all a knot in the stomach. Just my insight and not trying to get things rolling on here, but optimism can only carry so far when we get it handed to us by a Nebraska team we should have beat!
November 10, 2008 at 7:50 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
oldrocker (anonymous) says...
I am surprised that no one is talking about how pathetic our kicking game has been of late. Branstetter almost never gets a kick-off into the end zone unless there is a gale-force wind behind him...and then has to make the tackle at mid-field half the time. And Rojas was absolutely terrible in Lincoln. I realize the weather was not great but come on! He gave the Huskers great field position several times. I really hope we are recruiting a punter & kicker for next year.
November 10, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
patton6 (anonymous) says...
eastcoast - the Big XII has tie-ins with 8 bowls, 9 if 2 go to the BCS so the 7th team that's bowl eligible will be just fine.
November 10, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mvjayhawk (anonymous) says...
sorry, oldrocker...you're stuck with them. Rojas is only a soph., and he's punted well this year...and Branstetter is a RS Fr. Good grief, they'll get better...and besides, first nasty weather day either one of them has ever kicked in. Does anyone actually beleive that someone can improve? or has a bady day once in awhile?
November 10, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
beebe1 (anonymous) says...
rasta-meta said that Bowen's mentor had the defense out of position most of the time. The reason we didn't stop runs? How about maybe the Defensive Coordinator's call put our guys out of position to stop the run?The worst thing wasn't our kicking and runback stopping, nor our running back their kicks. Defense was the worst, but these were plenty bad enough! My guess is that the Iowa State special teams coach is one of the best in the league. I think he may be a bit ahead of his time.We kicked off and they ran it back to the 42 yd line. We'd have been better off kicking it out of bounds. Is our runback guy that bad? He was what All-League last year? It may be the runback scheme,not necessarily the runner. There is an awful lot to correct! Have hope for next year!
November 10, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jeffthejayhawk (anonymous) says...
It would be nice to have a kicker like the Huskers. He not only drove the ball, but kicked it high enough for the defenders to get down the field before Herford could get to the 15. He also made Herford make the decision to either catch the ball or not because he was so close to the sideline.This KU team takes me back to Mangino's 1st year. Just bad fundamentals and that goes back to coaching. This team is always chasing thier tail against good teams and can't ever take advantage of a stop (punt/turnover).Where has that "want-to" gone from last season?
November 10, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
kansas22 (anonymous) says...
The real question coming into the Texas game is: Will our "defense" force them to punt one single time before they put in their backups?
November 10, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
troutsee (anonymous) says...
Early on, we could not stop Sam Houston State, South Florida, or Iowa State. Thus, the red flags were waving very early. Unless we can turn up the heat on McCoy and Daniels and get better control of the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, we are in for another shellacking over the next three weeks. It is defense that creates victories and fuels upsets. Hopefully, we will have the right defensive schemes and execution to pull upsets over the next three weeks. If not, our bowl chances do not seem good even though we do have 6 wins. None of the wins are noteworthy.
November 10, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
mace221 (anonymous) says...
Can we say 2006: 6 win - no bowl game repeat?I don't mean to be negative, but I just don't see us standing a chance against Texas or Mizzou.
November 10, 2008 at 12:11 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
number1jayhawker (anonymous) says...
Like Patton said, the BIG12 has enough tie-ins to Bowl games where we are guaranteed a Bowl game.
November 10, 2008 at 12:48 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
Bowl Situation:* Since we own the head-to-head tie breakers over Colorado and Kansas State, we can mathematically do no worse than tie for eighth place in the Big 12. For that to happen, Colorado would have to beat Oklahoma State at home and win at Nebraska, and Texas A&M would have to win at Baylor and at Texas.* The Big 12 has ties to at least eight bowl games, nine if two teams are selected for a BCS game. http://www.big12sports.com/ViewConten... would say our chances of being selected for a bowl game are pretty good, even if we end up losing our last five of six games.
November 10, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
hawknhutch (anonymous) says...
Will someone please call in on Hawktalk this week and ask Mangino his thoughts about Bowen? He can't defend this guy still.
November 10, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
jayhawkee84 (anonymous) says...
Too bad our 'Hawks got ripped off by bad officiating @ Lincoln.I didn't see the game, so I can't comment on the bogus intentional grounding call in the game.However, if you watch this video closely, on the 52 yard TD run in the 4th quarter you can clearly see that a Nebraska WR blocked Darrell Stuckey in the back right when he was about to make the tackle. Ahhhhh!!!!!Take that 4th Qtr TD away from NU on a penalty, and give us 3pts for a FG on the drive with the bogus intentional grounding call, and we go to OT vs. the Huskers.Granted, our DEF is a huge disappointment after returning 9 starters from last year, but with a little bit more luck vs. Texas or Mizzou I think we CAN get us one more W out of these last two games to clinch us a decent Bowl game....Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU !!!!
November 10, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
rasta_meta (anonymous) says...
In my opinion, the quotes in this article prove the point. They spent all week focusing on stopping the run, yet they still were not able to do it. Plain and simple, that is bad coaching. Either the schemes were bad or the players aren't being coached up to what they are supposed to do. Mangino keeps saying the players are making mistakes, then he should do something about it. I know that if his happened when Mason was here, he would not have let the player off the bench if he was making those same mistakes week after week.
November 10, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
JBurtin (anonymous) says...
It still comes down to the fact that the coaches can put together a scheme to get your player in the right place to make a tackle, but the player still has to make the play.Some of the problem is age, some of it injury, and occassionally, it's even a bit of bad luck. With as little depth as we have now at linebacker, D-Line, and Corner, the coaches have little choice but to keep playing the same players.
November 10, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
Correction on my post above: if for some crazy reason Texas A&M wins out, they would have the same overall record as us, but they would have a better conference record. So if they win out and Colorado wins out, we would finish in ninth place. The odds of that happening are very slim, however. My guess is we finish at least seventh.
November 10, 2008 at 8 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
Fox Sports Southwest is showing our 11/15/04 game against Texas ala ESPN Classic format. There were a bunch of empty seats in Memorial Stadium. We wore dark blue uniforms and had the red stripe over the middle of the helmet. Brian Luke looked pretty good in this one. Waiting for the UT 4th down and long magic/luck, and the b.s. offensive pass interference call against us...
November 10, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
BPSkelly (anonymous) says...
We're in a bowl for almost for sure. As txrockchalk points out cu, a&m, ksu are really the only others that could still qualify. And that would take some serious upsets. Not out of the question, but not likely either.I've seen KU projected in either the Sun or the Insight Bowls. I'd guess the Independence possibly as well.Back in 2006, all the "Bowl" slots were filled for the conference, so we had to hope one of the other lower bowls would have an opening. That said, I think when your shooting for one of those "at-large" slots in one of the lower bowls, they'll take teams that are 7-5 over teams that are 6-6. Because of our tie-breakers with CU and KSU I think were in for sure.
November 10, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kman_blue (anonymous) says...
Lucky you! Fox Sports Midwest is showing Ksuck Mizzery from last weekend right now! Uggghhh!I think everyone covered how the Big 12 is breaking down right now, but I thought I just put it in a synopsis.We can finish no worse than 9th place right now. If that were to happen and 2 teams(I'd say 99% likely) go to BCS bowls, we'll get the last bowl slot for the Big 12. We can still win the Big 12 North, but the odds of that happening are slim to none. Of course, if that happens we go bowling no matter what. The odds on where we'll finish right now is about 50% chance of finishing 7th and about a 30% chance we finish 6th in the Big 12 IMHO. Either way we go bowling since like others have said, the Big 12 have at least 8 bowl tie-ins.Crap, now FSMW is showing KU vs NU from this past weekend! How are they showing a PPV game on Fox Sports now??
November 10, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
I don't know how lucky I was :o) Watching the last two scoring possessions for Texas was brutal. The offensive pass interference call against Gordon still kills me as I am sure it does many other KU fans. We were 3-6 going into that game, so we weren't going to a bowl game anyway, but it still would have been a huge win for our program.Good bowl assessment. How about Colorado beats Nebraska, and we win our next four games?!? That would be pretty sweet - - finish 10-4, and BCS Champions once again! ;)
November 10, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kman_blue (anonymous) says...
Now that's the attitude I'm talking about! Even with all our horrible troubles on D this year, I still believe we have just enough talent to be capable of doing that, but unfortunately I don't have the same confidence in our Defensive Coordinator of pulling that off.
November 10, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
txrockchalk (anonymous) says...
I hear you. One thing that was cool about watching that classic game was seeing Charlton Keith, Charles Gordon, and Nick Reid flying around on defense on the field. There may have been 35K in the stands for that game, 5K of which were probably UT fans. I guess 3-6 is typically not going to bring a lot of people out. We need to just "keep sawing wood" as a program and as fans.
November 10, 2008 at 9:36 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Hawkish4bigM (anonymous) says...
Does anyone know how many points the D scored last year per game and what it is this year?
November 10, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kman_blue (anonymous) says...
As far as actual scoring done by the defense, last year we averaged about 2 points per game(3 TDs, and 2 Safeties on the year) and this year it's 0.2 points per game(1 safety on the year).
November 10, 2008 at 10:24 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Kman_blue (anonymous) says...
Yeah, I still got a big kick out of watching Reesing make our first TD in the nu game after he got walloped by a nu defender and then threw to Meier for the wide open TD.
November 10, 2008 at 10:27 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
Sparko (anonymous) says...
Kansas and Missouri are actually pretty equivalent right now. I want the calls to go both ways Saturday, incidentally. The inclination this year has been to give every 50-50 call to the entitled teams of the South. There was a key erroneous pass interference call during the Tech game which would have forced them to punt (and many holding calls were ignored. Reesing was tackled by the helmet and that flag was actually picked up), Against Oklahoma, even the replays went the other way against the evidence or lack thereof. Not that Kansas would have won either game, but the Big XII officiating simply favors the South (see the TTech Nebraska game too). I want that that to stop. It is like there are two conferences this year. The 2004 game really brought the disparity out for the world to admire, and unfortunately the only thing anyone wants to talk about is Mangino's reaction. It is money and a South-tilted fan-base, certainly, but I want it stopped.
November 11, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )
railer1122 (anonymous) says...
All of it is not Bowen's fault. The Tech game, Reesing threw 3 picks in 5 plays in our own territory, and when you give Tech a short field its like shooting fish in a barrel. This Nebraska game goes all on our special teams. Kicking and coverage were terrible. And keep in mind, we will have 8 starters back on D. We are still a young team. For crying out loud we lost 4 ppl to the draft last year, 6 very good players overall. We will more than likely play in the Insight Bowl in Tempe vs Minnesota or possibly Northwestern. Bowen is in 1st year, he is a young coach that will be very good in the immediate future.
November 11, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )