Friday, May 30, 2008

A&M leads league

Jayhawks eighth in mythical all-sports standings



Big 12 2007-08 champions


183 - Texas A&M;

182 - Texas

146 - Nebraska

139 - Oklahoma

132 - Missouri

123 - Oklahoma State

116.5 - Texas Tech

110.5 - Kansas

95 - Baylor

89.5 - Iowa State

75.5 - Kansas State

78 - Colorado

Despite banner years in football and men's basketball, Kansas University's overall athletic program ranked in the Big 12 Conference's second division during 2007-08.

Using a formula that awards 12 points for a league championship, 11 points for second place, 10 points for third and so on, KU's combined point total ranked eighth in the league.

However, in women's sports, the Jayhawks climbed into the first division at sixth place fueled by third-place finishes in soccer and indoor track and fourth places in swimming and outdoor track.

The KU men, despite sharing league titles in football and basketball, wound up tied for eighth place with Baylor. The next best placing for a KU men's team was sixth in golf.

Texas and Texas A&M; dominated the Big 12 in 2007-08.

A&M; won six league championships - five women, one men - to edge Texas, which won or shared four conference crowns, in the overall scoring, 183-182. Nebraska was third at 146.

In men's rankings, Texas topped A&M;, 95 to 81.5, with Oklahoma State third at 67. Kansas and Baylor had 47.5 points apiece in eighth place.

In women's compilations, A&M; won with 101.5 points while Texas squeezed Nebraska, 87 to 86.5, for second place. KU was sixth with 63 points.

The rankings system rewards schools for performance as well as participation because no points are awarded for an unsponsored varsity sport.

The Big 12 Conference conducts 21 championships - 11 for women and 10 for men. Of those 21 sports, Nebraska and Missouri field varsity teams in all but one. Texas, Texas A&M; and Oklahoma are next with 19 sports apiece. Iowa State has 18 while Kansas, Baylor, Texas Tech and Oklahoma State sponsor 17 each.

KU also funds women's rowing, but the Big 12 does not stage varsity competition in that sport.

Kansas State and Colorado bring up the rear with only 14 sports apiece, and it shows in the final rankings. K-State finished 11th in the overall listing with 78.5 points, barely edging Colorado, which ended with 78.

The rankings are based on regular-season records or Big 12 championship events. They do not include the league's postseason tourneys in soccer, baseball, softball and men's and women's basketball or the league championship football game.


95 - Texas

81.5 - Texas A&M;

67 - Oklahoma State

63.5 - Missouri

61.5 - Oklahoma

59.5 - Nebraska

57.5 - Texas Tech

47.5 - Kansas

47.5 - Baylor

40.5 - Colorado

35.5 - Kansas State

33.5 - Iowa State


101.5 - Texas A&M;

87 - Texas

86.5 - Nebraska

77.5 - Oklahoma

68.5 - Missouri

63 - Kansas

59 - Texas Tech

59 - Iowa State

57.5 - Baylor

56 - Oklahoma State

43 - Kansas State

37.5 - Colorado


okjhok 11 years, 6 months ago

This ranking matters not. Ask any knowledgeable fan of the Big 12 which school had the most successful year, and they won't answer "Texas" or "aTm." There's a reason MBBall and Football are the only revenue generating sports in college athletics, and it's because they're the only two collegiate sports worth watching on a consistent basis. I know I'll get criticized by a few out there for those comments, and I admit, I enjoy a college baseball game from time to time, but I know I'm not in the minority when I say MBBall and Football are head and shoulders above the rest in terms of interest level.

booze_buds_03 11 years, 6 months ago

Not only that, but for this rankings system to carry any legitimacy, Mens basketball and football should be weighted with at least 2x the points of the other sports.

Ryan Gerstner 11 years, 6 months ago

This is just stupid. Why wouldn't you divide the points by the number of sports you participate in? Why would you penalize a school for not fielding a team in a sport? You guys don't have any common sense. If you're going to do something, at least try to do it right. Boy, KU really had a crappy year in men's swimming and tennis! I sure hope they get it turned around next year so we can move up in the standings.And besides, the reality of the situation is there are 2 sports that really count, football and basketball, and KU had banner years in them both.

FlaHawk 11 years, 6 months ago

Don;t see KU moving up on either men's or women's in the next few years.Lew needs to shore up Womens Basketball to increase revenue streams. Then he can sift some money to the minor sports that KU really "sucks" at.This will take a minimum of another 3-4 years. KU just can not compete with the Texas schools and hardly with NU, MU and OU like they could in Big 8. Also probably not with OSU thanks to T-Bone's oil wealth!KU has not has and will never again have a well rounded AD program since Woman's sports got equal funding (not saying this is wrong just a fact) and the expansion to Big XII!Lew or a Lew type should have been brought in whenthe Big XII was created, but I think KU officals were surprised about how non-competitive KU teams really were!

KU 11 years, 6 months ago

I guarantee you that each and every men's program in the Big 12 would GLADLY exchange their mythical Big 12 All Sports Standings for KU's basketball National Championship and Orange Bowl championship.

McGuzzo23 11 years, 6 months ago

How could KU compete in this mythical rankings anyways. No Men's Tennis, swimming, or wrestling. I believe any school in the country would have loved to have the season we just had. Story was pretty much pointless.

sevenyearhawk 11 years, 6 months ago

I'd sure like to see this weighted by amount of revenue the different sports generate.I hate to simplify it as a business, but when all is said and done, you know what it comes down to ...That's right - dollar signs!!

Teapot9 11 years, 6 months ago

This is such a foolish story. Men's basketball and football are the top 2 revenue producing sports in the NCAA. I am sure at places like UCONN and Tennessee women's hoops are money makers but in the big scheme of things nationally the only thing that matters is 1. Football and 2. Men's Basketball.

Justin Anderson 11 years, 6 months ago

This comes out every year and every year I say this thing is ridiculous and an intentional swipe at the Athletics department. Q: Which of these schools would trade spots with 8th placed KU? A: All of them would. A&M had to fire its football coach for selling insider information to big money alums for gambling purposes. ARE you KIDDING? number one? This is a shameful attempt to take a swipe at KU Athletics and this paper is the only one in all Big 12 cities that publishes this ficticious accounting. NO other BIG 12 newspaper does, not even College Station(A&M). Shame on the LJW.

FortWorthJayhawk 11 years, 6 months ago

Out of boredom I went and looked at the scores based on how many sports each school participated in. Scores came back as such:Texas A&MTexasOklahomaNebraskaOK StateTexas TechMissouriKansasK StateBaylorColoradoIowa StateFunny thing is, it's all a load of crap. We won a national championship and the Orange bowl. Clearly head and shoulders above the rest of the programs. ROCK CHALK!

KGphoto 11 years, 6 months ago

Hilarious!!WTF! LJW. Are you serious?"Well, if you factor in chess, ballroom dancing, ability to walk up a hill and classy behavior, we might have faired a little better, eh?"Hey, I love rowing and swimming, but please. This reminds me of Colorado winning the Big 12 men's Track and Field championship last week after scoring 75% of their points in one race.

fumu 11 years, 6 months ago

all i care about is that we're first in the sports that really matter.

stravinsky 11 years, 6 months ago

Yeah no joke. What did Oklahoma State or Nebraska win this year? Or even Oklahoma? I mean, if I remember right, they didn't even make the tournament or at least got knocked in the first round although their football team did win the Fiest-- oh sorry, "Big Game Bob." I mean, made it to a fiesta bowl...

Ryan Gerstner 11 years, 6 months ago

KU's right in the same neck of the woods financially with NU and OU.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 6 months ago

Goodness. You guys sound like such a bunch of Homers. It is great that we won the BB-NC & the OB, but to call the overall excellence of the AD meaningless is sad.Who cares about the overall standings? KU's administration (hiring Lew) and the FB & BB coaches (public statements). It's not about trading one success for another, it is about providing a quality athletic program, and hopefully a quality university in general.Try looking out of both eyes for a bit of perspective.

actorman 11 years, 6 months ago

It would be great to be competitive in other sports, but the reality of the situation is that our budget is nowhere near the budget of UT, and I'm pretty sure it's not too close to aTm, NU or OU either. So I'm not going to say the other sports don't matter, but if we're only going to excel in two sports I think it's safe to say that we picked the right two sports. Of course you know that Mizzou fans will be celebrating their "title" since they finished ahead of us in the standings.

Mike Blur 11 years, 6 months ago

Is it just me, or does that mythical championship trophy (picture on front page of resemble a bedpan?How appropriate.

stravinsky 11 years, 6 months ago

If they had allowed debate it would have bumped us up. That would have been another 12 points for us.

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