Wednesday, May 28, 2008

Self: KU duo likely ‘gone’

The Jayhawk bench celebrates a second-half three-pointer by guard Conner Teahan in a November 28, 2007 game against Florida Atlantic University.  Kansas University basketball players Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers appear to be leaning strongly toward remaining in the NBA draft.

The Jayhawk bench celebrates a second-half three-pointer by guard Conner Teahan in a November 28, 2007 game against Florida Atlantic University. Kansas University basketball players Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers appear to be leaning strongly toward remaining in the NBA draft.


Kansas University's Darrell Arthur and Mario Chalmers - who declined invitations to compete at this week's NBA pre-draft camp in Orlando, Fla. - have until June 16 to decide whether to keep their names in the draft or return to school.

Both appear to be leaning strongly toward playing for pay with Decision Day about three weeks away.

"I think 'Shady' (Arthur) is going to be gone, and I think there's a great chance Mario is going to be gone, but not as great (a chance) as Shady," KU coach Bill Self said Tuesday.

"I already know one of them, OK?" Self said, referring to the 6-foot-9 Arthur's decision almost certainly to stay in the draft. "Although it's not done, there's no reason to talk Shady into coming back. The more I hear, I think he's going to be a lottery pick (top 14 first round). With Mario : there's no talking him into coming back either. He should do what's best for him.

"I don't know if you should assume that," Self added of both leaving KU, "but I don't know if you should hold your breath about anything."

Like Arthur and Chalmers, Brandon Rush (who has signed with an agent and definitely will be in the June 26 draft) decided not to compete in Orlando. All three believe they have been seen enough by NBA scouts not to risk having a sub-par series of camp games.

The three instead will work out for various NBA teams in coming weeks.

KU grads Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun and Russell Robinson accepted invitations to participate in drills and pickup games at the Orlando camp.

"I think, personally, Shady and Brandon did not need to play. Of course Russell, Darnell and Sasha did," Self said of three Jayhawks trying to play their way into the draft. "Mario and his family made the decision that it was certainly not in his interests to play as well. I think you can look at it in a couple of different ways. That's what they wanted to do."

Arthur was the only Jayhawk to be invited to undergo physical exams in Orlando. Chalmers and Rush were not among the 15 players on the physical-only invitation list. So Rush continues to work out with trainer Tim Grover at ATTACK Athletics in Chicago and Chalmers at Ed Schilling's Champions Academy in Indianapolis.

"I would say the chances are great both will stay in the draft. I think Shady is going to stay in. I've said that all along, unless something negative happens," Self said referring to injury. "I believe Mario : they (family members) say they are still gathering information, but the information they gather will be based on what people say during the five or six workouts he has with teams (before June 16)."


TheTruth08 13 years, 6 months ago

So, if Mario leaves he and his family are idiots? I don't think so. I do believe he needs to workout. There's not enough buzz for him to go strictly off reputation.

klineisanazi 13 years, 6 months ago

Strikewso.. Mario owes KU nothing after what he did in April. And KU got what it bargained for when it gave his dad a job...a great player that hit the biggest shot in KU history. It wasn't an act of altruism on KU's part in hiring his dad. I would say everyone came out good in that deal.

jayhawkinATL 13 years, 6 months ago

Mario WILL BE a late first-round pick. Mark it down!!!

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 13 years, 6 months ago

I certainly don't think Mario and his family owe anything to KU other than what they've already given. However, based upon what I've heard (and I'm certainly no insider to anything), if he goes this year its late first round at best, if he stays and develops further and becomes "the man" on KU's team he could very well be a lottery pick next year in a weaker draft with a serious big time contract. Seems like a no brainer to me.Either way Mario is a legend at KU now and we'll all love him no matter what he decides.

Lance Hobson 13 years, 6 months ago

Mario needs to stay. His dad and the rest of his family don't know any more than anyone else. He's been projected as a second round pick from the beginning and nothing has changed. I don't know why he would want to leave KU anyway, other than money. KU gave his father a great job and he should do what's right and finish his four years.

100 13 years, 6 months ago

Mario's family is wise enough to know what a year of development outside the NBA will do for his draft position next year (extend his already great long range shooting, quicker passing, the "League" slashing and dribbling drills). He goes from a 2nd round pick (sketchy one year contract) to a potential lottery pick and a guaranteed 3 year contract in next year's draft. And, Mario's development aside, it says nothing of how weak next year's draft will be compared to this years. His entire family is humble and extremely intelligent -- surely they are testing the waters but will make the wise decision in a couple weeks.

killabees 13 years, 6 months ago

This mock draft in SI had Chalmers up at 21. I hope he gets drafted in the first round. He deserves it for everything he's done for us.

Joe Ross 13 years, 6 months ago

strikewso...KU doesnt deserve anything more from the Chalmers'. "The shot", several seasons of dedication and hard work to put Kansas in a position to win it all, and a few exciting games along the way courtesy of Mario and Co. have fulfilled any obligations to KU.Honestly...

geniusmannumber1 13 years, 6 months ago

"He goes from a 2nd round pick (sketchy one year contract) to a potential lottery pick and a guaranteed 3 year contract in next year's draft.""If he goes this year its late first round at best, if he stays and develops further and becomes "the man" on KU's team he could very well be a lottery pick next year in a weaker draft with a serious big time contract."The definition of wishful thinking.

wannabe 13 years, 6 months ago

Bunot,Curry, really? he is what, 130lbs dripping wet? unless he packs on some weight he will not be taken that high. This year he was only projected as late first round/early second. It is unlikely he improves his status IMO as the team is unlikely to have the exposure they had this year.

Rodney Stice 13 years, 6 months ago

I wish them all the best in the NBA. I laso cannot wait to see them play at the next level. Rush was projected to be picked by the Suns, I would love that very much if one of the guys werre playing here.I just hope that none of the guys get drafted by Spurs. I will have a hard time cheering them on if they play for the Spurs. I hate the Spurs like I hate the kittens of mizzou and ksucks.Good Luck to all of the players in their future in the NBA and in life after college.

rockchalk80 13 years, 6 months ago

Arthur was projected as a top 10 pick before the 07-08 college surprise that he'll stay in the draft.As for Chalmers, when he announced, I thought he'd return---but I am seeing his stock rise...I think that he "stays" in the draft.... I don't know that his stock will be any better than now...he had a great tournament.

wannabe 13 years, 6 months ago

BunotI loved watching curry play but I just dont think he will warrent a top pick in the draft. Draft Express lists him as 14 in next years draft. Regie miller was 6'7" tall those 4 or 5 inches go a long way toward getting the shot off in the nba. Tyshawn Prince is skinny too but much taller and has freakishly long arms.if Curry grows some then all bets are off. xhe grew 3 inches last year so who knows.

FlaHawk 13 years, 6 months ago

While I would love Mario to come back, you got to look at the case of Joakim Noah. He lost millions last year. Turns out he is not much of a NBA player anyway, but he still lost millions by playing another year.

FortWorthJayhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

Hate to say it but Mario is gone. That's fine. He was a great player that obviously came up huge for us numerous times. Maybe he'd get better next year and improve his position, maybe not. It's hard to replicate the buzz of that clutch shot.Also, it wasn't some deal with the Chalmers that we hire his dad if he stays for four years. Self hired Ronnie Chalmers based on the fact that he is a valuable asset. There wasn't a clause built into his contract about how long his son played on the team.I for one thank all of the Chalmers for their contributions and am glad we'll still have at least one in the program next year!

Brian Skelly 13 years, 6 months ago

Unless Mario has been getting clowned on and looking very "remedial" at this training facility for his workouts he's gone. And should be. There certainly is some sense of waiting around till next year. But I dont doubt that they will flesh out through all options until the last possible moment.I wish him well if he returns or bolts. As fans and Alums there isnt anymore he can give us.

bunot 13 years, 6 months ago

there's no guarantee that even if he stays and becomes "the man" at KU that he will be a lottery pick next fact, the draft next year have a bunch of good-to-great list of guards that could be drafted ahead of chalmers.1. ricky rubio2. darren collison3. stephen curry4. tyreke evans5. brandon jennings6. nick calathes7. dominic james8. sherron collins9. jrue holidayi don't care how good chalmers season could be, rubio and curry for sure will be picked higher than him. so that's 2 PGs already ahead of him out of 14 possible picks.

bryan123456789 13 years, 6 months ago

MARIO is gone, i know most of you dont have facebook, but on mario's profile under his interests it states " GETTING THAT LEAGUE MONEY" him and shady and b-rush frequently post back and forth, and unfortunately for us fans they are all gone. i for one think he should go we have a bunch of young players coming in next year that will benefit greatly from the gained experience they are going to get playing those extra 35 minutes a game mario would have taken up!

madamhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

"Mario needs to stay. His dad and the rest of his family don't know any more than anyone else."Strikewso c'mon man! You know as well as I know that Coach Self and Mario's dad know's what the heck is goin' on...ya know? Good luck Mario! May your dreams come true!

bunot 13 years, 6 months ago

wannabecurry is a shooter. he doesn't need to pack on more weight. did reggie miller have to pack on more weight to fill his malnourished and skinny frame?? being skinny allows curry to "swim" thru off the ball picks and catch a pass for a jumpshot. he was doing this last year and he will be doing it again next year.and where did you see curry projected as a late 1st rnd or early 2nd rnder this year? he didn't pop up on any mock drafts after the college season since he already said he was staying in school.lastly, as was mentioned, Davidson doesn't need any more exposure this coming year. i'm sure every scout in the NBA already knows about Curry. if they don't, then they must have been comatose last season.

100 13 years, 6 months ago

For all those posting saying he's gone, that's not in the best interests of Mario. This is the NBA. If he is drafted number 1 in the first round, and gets injured, the only thing that team has to do is pay him for ONE year. That's it. No highlights, nothing. That's it. And if its a bad enough injury, there's a good chance he wouldnt sign with an NBA team again. There's no reason to roll the dice when he can be a fixture on Sportscenter every night next year, and guarantee himself a first round spot in next years draft. You 'he's gone' guys are asking him to take a HUGE risk!

Larry Smith 13 years, 6 months ago

wannabe,The scouts were well aware of Curry before this last season, regardless of the exposure the team got. He was on a lot of the preseason all americann lists before the season started and with one more year under his belt, he may solidify himself as a early first rounder next year if he decides to go. The kid knows how to get his shot off, and I think teams like his nba bloodline and basketball IQ.

justanotherfan 13 years, 6 months ago

Anybody notice how Rush has slowly crept up in the draft boards? A lot of people had him late in the first round, but he is making his way into the teens now. He could be one of the first couple of non lottery picks taken. do think Chalmers is probably gone at this point. The way I see it, he has a chance to have at least as good a career as a guy like Jacque Vaughn, probably better because he is a much more accomplished shooter. He is somewhere between Vaughn and Hinrich, although not as big as Hinrich, or as good a scorer, but could have just as long of a career as both will likely have.

Robert Brock 13 years, 6 months ago

Even if Mario is taken early in the second round, it's not like he will be cut and playing in Turkey next season. He will be too important of an asset to any team even if he is sitting at the end of the bench for a few years...and he will get a nice chunk of change. I personally would like to see him come back next year. But does one more season with decent stats and a nice highlight reel mean lottery pick? With a depleted roster and young unproven talent, he may very well be the focal point of opposing teams defense every night. And with no Russell or Brandon playing great on the ball defense and taking pressure off, steals and big defensive plays may be a little harder to come by. It might turn out to be difficult to improve his draft stock. Who knows?I wish he would come back, but he is gooooone.

okjhok 13 years, 6 months ago

It's still all just speculation at this point. Based on current projections he's going to have to have above average individual workouts to get into the 1st round. I have no idea what that will take. If it's any indication, he didn't fare very well last year trying out for Team USA. If he doesn't do as well as he expects, I hope he returns to KU. I don't think people realize how difficult it is to make it in the league as a second-rounder. That said, we certainly don't want someone coming back that doesn't want to be in college anymore. I guess I just hope he has good workouts and is all but guaranteed first round, because he appears to be pretty set in his decision. The obvious worst-case scenario for all involved is a second round selection.

KGphoto 13 years, 6 months ago

But if he DOES go late first round, he's going to find himself on a team that has title hopes. How many playoff teams needed a long range shooter with ball hawking skills to push them to the next level?San Antonio: Bowen, Horry and Finley average 37 years old. Even Jauque Vaughn is 33.Phoenix: Doesn't have a defensive player on the squad.Cleveland: Need another 3pt. threat, and a clutch player.Utah: Korver only made 1.5 threes a game, tops on the team. And they don't have any ballhawks.Boston: Cassell is 38. Ray Allen 32 and fading. Plus he would fit in beautifully with Boston's stifling and wonderfully executed team defense.L.A.: He would compete for p.t. with Jordan Farmar and be on a perennial title threat.Detroit: On ball defender Lindsey Hunter is 37 and can't shoot anymore.Going late in the first round doesn't sound so bad to me.

lee3022 13 years, 6 months ago

Missing is the information that Brandon went through the NBA Pre-draft camp in 2005 and thus does not need to return for measurements. Mario, on the other hand, has to go and play and, as he did not, there are two possible reasons that come to mind:1. He already has a promise from one of the 25-30 range clubs for a 1st round pick.2. He is coming back to KU and wants to be able to go to Orlando next has provided daily coverage of Orlando and castigated one player who turned down an invitation to Orlando. Mario was not that one even though they project him to be an early 2nd round pick and was included on their early projection of invitees. Curious....

Robert Brock 13 years, 6 months ago

100,I wish kids would look at it that way. But their perspective is usually the complete opposite - it is a risk to return for another year and sustain a serious injury or have a drop in productivity.

jerdee94 13 years, 6 months ago

NBA?....what's the NBA? What's the NFL? Don't get me wrong, I still care about the Jayhawk alums and wish them success in the leagues or whatever they go on to do. But I'd rather be exicited about who is on next year's teams and what the future is going to bring. I've been a Jayhawk fan for 45 years and that hope that springs eternal is what keeps me one. Best of luck to all of them who have come and gone, but bring on the new year.

justanotherfan 13 years, 6 months ago

Cautionary tale for those who think jumping isn't a good idea. Roy Hibbert. He was a lottery pick last year, returned to Georgetown, posted very similar numbers, had a bad showing in the tournament, got bounced early and is now projected in the 20s. He easily cost himself $3 million on his first contract by staying at GU for another year. On the other hand, there are guys that have gotten bad information. Remember Scotty Thurman from the brief Arkansas powerhouse? Probably not. He jumped, went undrafted and disappeared from the public conscience. More recently Darius Washington left Memphis, fell to the second round and got cut. Leaving for the draft is all about timing. Mario Chalmers is as high as he will probably ever be (unless he hits the game winner after going for 30 in next year's national championship game).

100 13 years, 6 months ago

Good point. Obviously in my previous post I meant to say 'if he gets drafted number 1 in the 2nd round'. Obviously number 1 overall is insane. I remember how it looked so much like Wayne Simien was going to be a top 10 pick and before we knew it the first round was almost over. Luckily for him Miami saved him, he got injured and Miami was forced to pay him for 3 years while letting him ride the bench. With Collison, injured immediately. If it was a one year contract, he was up a creek. Its a backwards way to look at it, but Mario's stock (and serious marketability) go way up after a full year of playing one more year of nationally televised non-NBA ball. Leaving rite now is risking a 2nd round selection: he may as well shoot himself in both feet.

bryan123456789 13 years, 6 months ago

100, what if he were to come back and get hurt then he wouldnt get drafted at all, to many of you are to worried about when he will be drafted, its not about the draft it is what you do once drafted, plus he will never be a lottery pick, he wouldnt even play PG at KU next year sherron will, he isnt going to average 20 points a game because we are going to be a balanced team. not to mention why do people seem to think you dont get better while playing in the NBA? he needs to go it wouldbe better for him to get drafted by a good team than a bad one in the lottery next year because he isnt going to be an all-star ever.

bryan123456789 13 years, 6 months ago

i think all of the jayhawks this year are underrated players going into this draft. B-rush will be a very good NBA player and shady could maybe be an all-star someday. i am ready to see our NEW JAYHAWKS and let sherron run the show, it will be nice to have a clear leader of our team, and these new recruits are going to be very good, i dont think brady or reed stand much of a chance of ever playing, not to mention teahan, although i will enjoy seeing conner come in and hit some 3's when we are up 30 on teams

KGphoto 13 years, 6 months ago

Hah! No neck. I haven't heard that one yet. You might be right. He definitely plays taller than 6'1". I bet if you asked almost anybody that didn't already know, they would say he's 6'4". That's what he looks like on the court.I mean, Rose's 6'3" obviously wasn't enough on "The shot".

bg_duck1 13 years, 6 months ago

<p> is the WORST draft site there is. the guy who does that is a straight up retard. i think he just picks names out of a hat, chad ford of is 10000x more knowledgeable and connected to the people who really know what's going on....that said mario will get picked late first round by new orleans b/c janero pargo is opting out and he would be cp3's backup which would be T!TS seeing him and julian back together. if he isn't already gone by then

100 13 years, 6 months ago

It sounds like we have a bunch of Missouri people posting today. 1st round beats 2nd round any day. You guys are asking him to stay in the draft based on a 'probability' of a late first round pick? He has so much to improve on, individually, his stock will soar if he stays in College a year. He's smart enough to figure this out. If, like one poster alluded, his game will become much better once he's in the League, why not work on individual drills for a year (like dribbling) and become a lottery pick? This is the difference in tens of millions of dollars and a guaranteed 3 year contract. He has the work ethic to do it -- I think you guys are asking him to take the easy way out -- and you're right (an earlier post) this wouldnt be a discussion if he was 6'5''.

jaybate 13 years, 6 months ago

GMs have to be sandbagging on Rush. He's about the only player in this draft who is a lock to start and be effective immediately; that's hard to turn down. I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the first ten.Shady gone. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him slip to between 15 and 20.Mario gone. And higher than EVERYONE expects. It took me a long time to accept that though Mario's only 6'1", he plays 6'3" for the simple reason that he has no neck. Watch him with almost any guy who is 6'3" and Mario's shoulders are dead even with the 6'3" player's shoulders. Add his long arms, and he plays at least 6'3." Derrick Rose is 6'3" and he's a probable first pick. Mario's offense was comparable to Rose's offense. Mario's a better clutch player than Rose. Mario's a much better defender. Jerry West will get this, even if none of the other chowder head GMs in the NBA do. My guess is Mario goes by 20.

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