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Friday, June 20, 2008

Recruiting the young

Trend creates dilemma for college coaches

Lewis Theobald, head coach of the women's soccer team at the University of Central Missouri, speaks to campers at a soccer showcase on Tuesday at Free State High.

Lewis Theobald, head coach of the women's soccer team at the University of Central Missouri, speaks to campers at a soccer showcase on Tuesday at Free State High.

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Last summer, University of Southern California men's basketball coach Tim Floyd stirred the already-stormy recruiting pot by offering a 14-year-old, eighth-grader from Illinois a basketball scholarship.

Floyd's offer to 5-foot-9 point guard Ryan Boatwright sent shockwaves through the college basketball community, and was greeted largely by disgust and disdain, as many believed it further corrupted the once innocent land of high school hoops.

It seems it also caused several coaches around the country to raise their eyebrows at the possibilities. That much we learned last month, when University of Kentucky coach Billy Gillispie offered a scholarship to 14-year-old Michael Avery, a 6-foot-4 forward from California. Or wait; is he a guard? That's just the point. At 14 years old, nobody knows for sure what Avery projects to be at the college level. But that only scratches the surface of what's wrong with this picture.

"How do you project what a 14-year-old is going to be down the road," Free State High soccer coach Jason Pendleton said. "Do we even know if he's a decent human being at that point?"

Perhaps. But the scary truth of the matter is those thoughts rarely make a difference. The bottom line for more and more coaches these days is cut and dry: go after the electric talents, no matter how old they happen to be.

With dozens of Web sites across the nation tracking athletes from fifth grade on, it has become almost impossible for an athlete to mature at his own pace or burst onto the scene when he's ready. In today's world, it's all about being seen as early and as often as possible. If you don't, you fall behind.

Because he's able to accept such a cold, hard fact, Pendleton has done his part to help young athletes venture into this cut-throat endeavor.

"I feel like one of my duties and obligations is to expose these kids to as many colleges as possible," said Pendleton, who will wrap up the fifth and final day of his annual Soccer Showcase for girls at 10 a.m. today at FSHS. "If this was an academic setting, we'd do everything possible to expose students to the best colleges out there, so I don't see any difference just because it's sports."

Although he's the organizer, Pendleton's camp is run primarily by college coaches from the area. The Kansas University coaching staff ran Monday's session and was followed by coaches from the University of Central Missouri, Butler County Community College, Washburn University, Baker University, UMKC and Emporia State.

The showcase attracts athletes from all over northeast Kansas, all with their minds set on catching the eye of one of the coaches.

"Any camp where you have this many college coaches is a great way to get exposure," said Jordan Gagne, a 17-year-old senior-to-be at Tonganoxie High. "I'd recommend it to anyone."

This week marked the second year Gagne has attended the camp. She said her play at last year's showcase inspired several coaches to contact her. Unfortunately, many of those coaches Gagne talked with delivered a hard dose of reality.

"I've been thinking about where I might play in college since before my sophomore year," she said. "But I didn't start doing anything about it until last year. By that time, many of the coaches I talked to said I was too late."

Therein lies the message Pendleton hopes the athletes take away from his showcase.

"You have to be an advocate for yourself," Central Missouri coach Lewis Theobald told the campers. "If you really want to play in college, there's somewhere for you to play. Especially if you come to things like this."

At what price do elite-level instructions and exposure come? Many times, the answer comes by way of sucking the life out of the sport these athletes love.

"The pressure's definitely always been there," Free State junior-to-be Hannah Carlson said. "And it just grows and grows each year. It gets annoying, but I know it's for the best. But sometimes it takes the fun out of it. Sometimes, I get to the car and it's all about 'Did you know so and so was watching you today?' instead of talking about how the game went."

The coaching staff from KU's women's soccer program ran Monday's showcase and assistant coach Kelly Miller said the program does its best to curb the rate at which young athletes are recruited. Often times, Miller said, making an offer to an athlete as young as 14 or 15 years old is unavoidable.

"We're trying to slow it down as much as possible at KU," he said. "But at the same time, it often becomes a game of keeping up with the Joneses. The (Free State) showcase is a fantastic idea, but you really wish it was happening during the kids' junior and senior years instead."

Miller said he believed the NCAA would step in to regulate the process if the commitments from young athletes actually meant something.

"That's probably why they haven't," Miller said. "It is just a verbal commitment and there's nothing binding about it."

Or is there? Do student-athletes who aren't yet of legal driving age understand what they're committing to when they choose to give their word to a university? That's the most frustrating aspect of the equation for many coaches. Free State High girls basketball coach Bryan Duncan is one of them.

"A lot of times people in the business of athletics treat 13- and 14-year-old kids as commodities rather than individuals," Duncan said. "And we know that, as human beings, kids that age or going to change."

Duncan doesn't believe the full-court recruiting press is all bad. In fact, he has first-hand knowledge that it can work. Free State juniors-to-be Ashli Hill and Chantay Caron both already have committed to play basketball at Big 12 colleges - Hill at Oklahoma State and Caron at Kansas State - and Duncan said both made solid choices.

"I think they're examples of this being a positive situation," Duncan said. "They both surrounded themselves with good people and made informed decisions that were in their best interest. Unfortunately, though, a lot of kids wind up being used by the process."

Whether the targets are high school girls in the Midwest or big-time basketball recruits across the nation, many coaches, like Miller, are reluctant to cross the line to recruit younger players. But few are stopping.

"I think it's too young," KU men's basketball coach Bill Self told the Journal-World in May, speaking specifically about landing commitments from players who have not yet graduated grade school. "In a perfect world (schools would not land players that young)."

Comments

jaybate (anonymous) says...

Hey, how about a futures market for under 12 year olds, based on DNA samples?This is really sick. Its worse than child labor. Its child harvesting.Basketball is going the way of girls gymnastics.Think girls gymnastics in the Iron Curtain days.Take the comrades' children from them at an early age by promising a better life.Send them to sports camps; that is, concentration camps for sports development.Control their diets and stimulate bone and muscle growth with drugs.Impose dailly training regimes that prevent normal social development.Indoctrinate them using psychological training developed in military mind control programs until they perform like chimps in a circus.Shift judging to favor nubile bodies.Dispose of after 18.Coach Self says in a perfect world child harvesting of 14 year olds by college basketball programs would not be happening.It should not be happening in an imperfect world either.We used to have child labor exploitation.We stopped it as a society through conventional means: we passed a law against it.True, the bastard multinationals like basketball shoe makes have gone overseas to exploit child labor, but one day laws will be passed to stop that too.Surely, the NABC can find enough decent men left in the profession to lobby laws to outlaw child harvesting for sports.Hey, Dick Vitale, where are you on this one?Get out front, baby!Surely, Jim Valvano would have been against child harvesting.

June 20, 2008 at 5:23 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Royaljayhwk (anonymous) says...

Jaybate, I think you are thinking way too much into this. It is in no way child harvesting. Wow. The kid has a college scholarship. Good for him. He's not getting hurt or abused in anyway. And if it doesn't work out, then the coach looks like an idiot, but no one is hurt in the end. Jump off the soapbox buddy.

June 20, 2008 at 7:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

Jaybate: I agree with you on this topic! How do you know what a 13 or 14 year old is going to be when he or she is 17 or 18? All I know is when I was 14 I was 5'1 and then when I was 18 I was just under 6'5". I agree that 14 years old is too young to be recruiting for basketball.

June 20, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

justanotherfan (anonymous) says...

Jaybate, I like your posts and typically agree with many of your points. Today though, I disagree heartily. The thing with basketball is that, for the high elite level players, they can typically be identified as freshmen and sophomores in high school, unlike many other sports. Football and baseball players need to mature physically, and because the risk of injury is so high for football in general and baseball pitchers, identifying top line kids early is tough. OJ Mayo was identified as a top level player as an 8th grader. Lebron James was tabbed as the next big thing before he was a sophomore. Kobe Bryant was identified as a soph. Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Kevin Garnett all were tabbed very early in their high school careers as potential superstars. Closer to home, Earl Watson and all three Rush brothers were tabbed as top line players as freshmen or sophs. All four of those guys ended up being solid collegians at worst, and after next week three of the four will be in the NBA.Gary Parrish with CBS Sports put together the following list of the top 10 players in the high school class for each year since 2002. It shows that most of the time, when you identify these kids early, you end up being right on the money for collegiate success, if not pro success. -- 2002 --1. Amare Stoudemire (NBA)2. Carmelo Anthony (NBA)3. Raymond Felton (NBA)4. Paul Davis (NBA)5. Jason Fraser (Professional overseas)6. Chris Bosh (NBA)7. Rashad McCants (NBA)8. Shelden Williams (NBA)9. DeAngelo Collins (West Coast Pro Basketball League)10. Sean May (NBA) -- 2003 --1. LeBron James (NBA)2. Luol Deng (NBA)3. Ndudi Ebi (Professional overseas)4. David Padgett (Just finished college)5. Shannon Brown (NBA)6. Kendrick Perkins (NBA)7. Charlie Villanueva (NBA)8. Leon Powe (NBA)9. Chris Paul (NBA)10. Mustafa Shakur (Professional overseas)-- 2004 --1. Dwight Howard (NBA)2. Shaun Livingston (NBA)3. Al Jefferson (NBA)4. Rudy Gay (NBA)5. Josh Smith (NBA)6. Robert Swift (NBA)7. Marvin Williams (NBA)8. Randolph Morris (NBA)9. Sebastian Telfair (NBA)10. Malik Hairston (Just finished college)

June 20, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

justanotherfan (anonymous) says...

-- 2005 --1. Josh McRoberts (NBA)2. Gerald Green (NBA)3. Monta Ellis (NBA)4. Martell Webster (NBA)5. Louis Williams (NBA)6. Andray Blatche (NBA) 7. Tyler Hansbrough (Still in college)8. Julian Wright (NBA)9. Andrew Bynum (NBA)10. C.J. Miles (NBA)-- 2006 --1. Greg Oden (NBA)2. Kevin Durant (NBA) 3. Brandan Wright (NBA)4. Spencer Hawes (NBA)5. Ty Lawson (Just entered draft early)6. Thaddeus Young (NBA)7. Wayne Ellington (Just entered draft early)8. Chase Budinger (Just entered draft early)9. Darrell Arthur (Just entered draft early)10. Paul Harris (Still in college)-- 2007 --1. OJ. Mayo (Just entered draft early) 2. Michael Beasley (Just entered draft early)3. Kevin Love (Just entered draft early)4. Eric Gordon (Just entered draft early)5. Derrick Rose (Just entered draft early)6. Kyle Singler (Still in college)7. Bill Walker (Just entered draft early)8. Donte' Greene (Just entered draft early)9. Jerryd Bayless (Just entered draft early) 10. Nick Calathes (Still in college)The kids on that list were all identified as high level prospects as sophomores (if not earlier). Of the people listed, almost all went on to be solid (if not spectacular) players in college or the pros.So the logic is, if you can find a kid that is a top level prospect and convince him to come to school at your school three or four years from now, you are almost assured of a solid collegiate player, maybe a superstar. That is dependent, of course, on the coach being able to keep his job for the three or four year interim while the recruit graduates, but if you knew you had a chance to get a commit from a Lebron James type player when he was 15, knowing that the likelihood of that player being at least a solid contributor in college was 99%, and the chances that the player would be a college superstar were about 50/50, wouldn't you take that chance?And really, how are these kids hurt? At this point, they know that basketball is their ticket to college. If they keep their academic house in order, they are going to college somewhere, period. I admit, there are many who would exploit that situation and just pass a talented athlete along for their own benefit (read: state titles), but that already happens anyway. That isn't going away anytime soon. The commitment isn't binding, so if the situation changes completely at School X, they still have time prior to signing day to switch. Bottom line is, we already can pick out the top basketball players pretty early (and pretty accurately), people already do, and they already get exploited as high schoolers. Why not let them capitalize on their talents by locking up a college education before they can get a learner's permit?

June 20, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

tdomine (anonymous) says...

Remember the story about how KU recruited a kid based on how big his feet were? It was Dreilings back up (Pollock?). He had these jumbo hooves and evereyone just assumed he would grow to be about 7'4". Well, turns out he just had big ole feet, and then he got to college and sort of flaked out.Don't count chickens before they're hatched.Then again, with the ruthlessness and dishonor rampant in NCAA basketball, I'm sure Tim Floyd would have no second thoughts about recinding the offer if the kid doesn't pan out.

June 20, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Rockchalk_Mom (anonymous) says...

Do these camps have some kind of scholarship system so that the underpriviledged kids can attend? What about those kids who go from camp to camp all summer long, where do the funds come for them? I sent my kids to camp and know how much it cost to go to just one camp, and we didn't have far to travel. In this day and age I can't conceived every week going to a different camp in a different state.

June 20, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

Justanotherfan: You just made Jaybates point. The rule just got changed to "June 15th following your Sophomore year" which would make most of these kids either an old 15 year old or a 16 year old. Most 13 and 14 year olds are either young freshman or in the eighth grade and they have no business being recruited that young. You just did 6 years worth of lists, but you have no idea from those lists which kids were starting to be recruited when they were 13 or 14? How about Derick Character from Louisville and all his mess? It also depends on what your definition of success is for these kids, justanotherfan. If just going to college and playing and getting an education is most of these kids definition of success then maybe you're right. However, I bet most of these young prospects that you have identified have dreams of playing in the NBA bare minimum. Less than 1 percent of those kids identified make it. You were right about Jaron Rush, but he failed! Maybe his early recruitment and Myron Piggie scandal tarnished his potential career. What about Korleone Young who was tapped as a 7th grader? What about Shea Cotton who was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as a Junior and was recuited in Junior High. What about Lester Earl? What about Ricky Price? What about the two 7 footers who played for King High School in Chicago back in the early 90's who were on the cover of Sports Illustrated? I don't even know those kids names now. What about Stanley Roberts? Felipe Lopez never lived up to his expectations because of his early recruitment. So I guess my question is, what are the expectations of these kids and what is the benefit of this early recruitment? The lists you gave are all over the boad. Malik Hariston? That could be viewed as a failure if he doesn't make it. These kids just going to a major university anymore isn't viewed as successful in the eyes of the athlete. They want more! You think Mustafa Shakur is content playing overseas considering where he was once tapped in the recruiting process in high school? To really dive into this topic we have to find examples like you just presented justanotherfan with lists, but actually find out when they were recruited. We also need to find players similar to ones I mentioned above, which I know there are tons more. All I am really saying justanotherfan to answer your question is "How are these kids really hurt?" It's good for the University, boosters, University revenue, etc. etc., but the early exploitation of these kids is extremely harmful and there are many situtations out there to prove it. Derick Character was a bigger prospect than OJ Mayo.

June 20, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KUFan90 (anonymous) says...

Just create a rule that says you can't offer a kid until they are 16. Problem solved.

June 20, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

I also have to point out justanotherfan that all you did with your lists is go to rivals.com or scout.com and give the top 10 players from each class after their "Senior Year". Those lists change quite a bit from year to year and those top 10 that you gave are from each classes senior year. It's kind of a moot point to compare those lists with those kids being recruited in 8th grade, or their Freshman and Sophomore years. Big difference!

June 20, 2008 at 10:31 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

summers (anonymous) says...

Justanotherfan- People will always try to be the first to find "the next big one", whatever that "big one" might be. That's not the problem, the problem is clearly stated by Jordan Gagne of Tonganoxie... "I've been thinking about where I might play in college since before my sophomore year," she said. "But I didn't start doing anything about it until last year (after Sophmore year). By that time, many of the coaches I talked to said I was too late." Too late as a Junior-to-be; that's ridiculous.

June 20, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

What about all these names: Vincent Yarbrough, Damon Bailey, Bracey Wright, Hassan Adams, Brian Boddicker, Keith Booth, Louis Bullock, Sam Bowie, Kwame Brown, Eddie Curry, Johnathon Bener, Cedric Bozeman, Robert Swift, Ben Davis, Derrick Chevious, Doug Smith, Rick Rickert, JR Reid, Jawad Williams, Ronnie Fields (We all know about him and KG), Derek Hood, Randy Livingston, Chris Jackson, Shaeen Haoloway, Don MacleanThese players all had good, decent, or great college careers and some even went on to play in the NBA, but depending on how you at their success I bet most would say that their careers weren't successful. I might be wrong and some in there are probably pretty content. It just depends what we classify as successful. I do most of these guys were recruited at a very young age.

June 20, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

WisconsinJayhawk (anonymous) says...

When I was 14 I was 6'5" tall with a sweet jumper. By the time I was 18, I was 5'11" and not very fast. So it just goes to show... what, I'm not sure.

June 20, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

What about a guy like Kenny Gregory who was highly touted and just kind of faded away! Harold Miner was also highly touted!

June 20, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

justanotherfan (anonymous) says...

These kids are being recruited by colleges. Therefore, success is for them to have successful college careers. Out of the list of players that have been listed, all were solid to great as collegians. Some didn't pan out in the pros, but how many great college players have gone on to flop as pros (JJ Redick and Adam Morrison immediately jump to mind). Look at kushaw's list. Every single one of those players that didn't go straight to the NBA had a solid to good college career except for Ronnie Fields. Every player from every list that has been put up here lists guys that were at the worst solid collegians. Malik Hairston was supposed to be a star. Instead he is just a starter for a pretty good team, viewed as a bust only because we expected him to be a superstar. Subtract the expectations, and he was another good D-1 player.That's the thing with these top prospects. When somebody is tabbed as a "can't miss" prospect in high school basketball, they almost always turn into at least decent D-1 players. Whether that translates into NBA glory is a whole different story, but for a college coach, my point is that if you can nail down a top player at 14 or 15, that kid is at least going to be someone you can give minutes to at the D-1 level. They may evolve into a star, they may not, but they are at least worthy of a D-1 scholie.I'm not saying that these kids are ready mentally and psychologically at 14. Some aren't ready at 18, like Caracter. But basketball wise, you can tell, and you can tell early whether they have D-1 talent or not. Why do you think these agents start hanging around these kids when they are 13, 14, 15? They can see the talent, and they know the stats. Among the best 20 basketball players at 15 you will find the kids that will be the best 5 at 20. Remember Xavier Henry. He's been a star since he was a freshman. We have known his name and tracked his progress as KU fans. He's finally entering his senior year now, but I have known who he was and that he was a top prospect since he was a freshman in high school. Now he is one of the top 5 players in his class. That is no accident.

June 20, 2008 at 11:58 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

WisconsinJayhawk (anonymous) says...

They need to stop the touting, tout de suite!

June 20, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

tis4tim (anonymous) says...

I wouldn't classify Morrisson as a "flop" just yet. He had a mediocre first season and missed his entire second season with injury. I think the jury is still out on him. I understand the point you're trying to make though, Justanother...

June 20, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Lebowski (anonymous) says...

I really don't care how early kids are committing, as long as they aren't getting a lot of pressure to do so. The problem is, as others start committing earlier, that pressure does mount. Because teams end up with question marks... they don't know how many scholarships they'll have. Maybe someone they recruited as a big man didn't grow enough... so they've still got him, maybe at guard or SF, even though he doesn't really have the right skill set to play on the outside... so their still trying to get another big man... and settle for one less talented... but they need him worse than some of their other more talented guards.So you have deserving players at big programs having to transfer out... thus sit out a year... or give up their scholarship for someone maybe less talented, but who fills more of a need.So I guess what I can say is... the only real problem I have when you start recruiting guys too young is when you start projecting to become something entirely different than they are. If I'm recruiting a 6'3" jr high kid, he better have some guard skills, even if he's the biggest kid on the court and playing down low. All that said, if it's just an oral committment, it doesn't matter. I doubt any of us will have a problem with it when the Woolridge kid gets here.

June 20, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

justanotherfan: I understand what you're saying and you clarified that as long as they go on from their young recruitment then most do go on to get Div-I scholarships. The only thing I disagree with is all the other stuff that goes along with these illegal and unethical recruiting tactics. Those tactics along with a kid being 12, 13, 14, and 15 is a bad formula. These are kids and we should allow them to be just that without the extra added pressure.

June 20, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

justanotherfan (anonymous) says...

kushaw: no doubt, the system is broken, but the broken part is not early commitments. The broken part is all of the things that happen because we can identify the talent so early and so accurately.You have the street agents, the money runners, the corrupt boosters, the payoffs, the "loans", all of the hangers on, etc. If we could get rid of those things, I'd have no problem addressing the issue of whether or not kids commit too early, but for now, let's address the serious problems. Let's address whether or not these kids are getting educated in high school and college, or merely passed through, pushed more towards easier classes to avoid lower grades so that they remain eligible and make the high school or university look better. After all, a basketball player that carries a 2.8 because he majors in biology or takes AP courses doesn't look as good as the same guy carrying a 3.5 in regular classes or general studies.

June 20, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )