Thursday, June 12, 2008

Gary Bedore’s KU basketball notebook


Self hears about game

Bill Self, who couldn't watch Wednesday's scrimmage between current and former Kansas University basketball players in accordance with NCAA rules, did hear about the contest from some of his campers.

"I guess it was a fairly competitive game, which is good," Self, KU's coach, said of the alumni's 76-69 victory at Horejsi Center. "We didn't have five of our key guys who were not here today. Maybe they'll play it better next week."

The campers and alumni will scrimmage again Wednesday as a highlight of Self's second summer camp session.

Wednesday, the 2008-09 Jayhawks were missing guard Sherron Collins, who had arthroscopic left knee surgery April 21 and has not yet been cleared for contact, as well as guard Tyrone Appleton, who was working a camp in Kansas City.

Mario Little, a guard out of Chipola (Fla.) CC, will complete a summer-school course and graduate Tuesday. He's expected to arrive Wednesday, perhaps in time for the camp game.

Twin forwards Marcus and Markieff Morris are working on gaining eligibility back home in Philadelphia.

"The twins : we hope to get some favorable news where they'll get here in the next couple of weeks," Self said. "They still have to tighten up a couple of issues, classes. We don't anticipate a problem."

Taylor looking good

Freshman guard Tyshawn Taylor reportedly played well at last weekend's Elite camp. He had six points in Wednesday's scrimmage and was effective running the offense.

"Tyshawn is a bigger Russell (Robinson)," Self said. "He has some stuff in his game. I don't know how he played today. He has a chance to be a special player here."

More on NBA-bound Mario

Self does not expect any surprises involving Mario Chalmers, who last week told Phoenix Suns and Denver Nuggets reporters he has played his last game at KU.

"He's staying in the draft," Self said. "He's telling everybody he's leaving. Why would he be saying that if he's still thinking he's going to come back?"

Chalmers' dad, Ronnie, told ESPN's Andy Katz this week, "Based on the reports we're getting back, it looks like a lock for the first round."

Mario Chalmers, who as a first-round pick would land a guaranteed contract, has worked out for Phoenix, Washington and Denver. He will be in Cleveland today and New Orleans on Saturday. College players have until Monday to withdraw their names from the draft if they wish to return to school.

Boogie fever

Self said his first Basketball Boogie, held Saturday at Kansas Speedway, was a success.

"I think we netted in excess of 400 (thousand for his Assists Foundation)," he said. "We have not had all the final expenses yet. It was a pretty good night for a first-time event, a heck of a party."

This, that

Former KU guard Jeff Hawkins hit three three-pointers and scored 13 points. Hawkins, who lives in Hays, said he is hoping to land a professional contract for next season. ... Former KU forward Lester Earl played sparingly. Earl, who lives in Overland Park, said his left knee continues to bother him and he might have a knee replacement in three or four years. ... Former KU guard Terry Nooner, who runs the Kansas City Pro-Am League, attended but did not play. ... Lance Stephenson, a 6-5 senior-to-be from Lincoln High in Brooklyn, N.Y., tells Zagsblog he has a final list of KU, UCLA and Kentucky.


KEITHMILES05 13 years, 4 months ago

Why did Appleton go to a clinic in KC but not attend Self's? That's pretty crazy.Jeff Hawkins is always saying he's going to be playing ball somewhere for pay. It's not happened and it won't.

OutlawJHawk 13 years, 4 months ago

Kleinman as starting PF...Thank you for giving me a good laugh this morning!!Seriously though, we may be in deep crap without the twins and their size. Our two bigs would be Kleinman and Aldrich; Aldrich is foul-prone and Kleinman is a practice squad player only. Wow, it might be pretty scary for us next season underneath.

justanotherfan 13 years, 4 months ago

If the Morris twins don't qualify, say hello to small ball.Without the Morris twins, our bigs are Aldrich, Thomas and Kleinman. With all respect for the big red head, Kleinman is not a starting D-1 talent. He's not even a high level D-1 rotation guy. So that would mean that our only two legitimate bigs to give time to would be Aldrich and Thomas. We do have lots of guard combos to play with, though. I'd envision that we would have to spread the floor, and run and trap quite a bit. A rotation of Collins, Taylor, Releford, Little, Reed and Morningstar splitting up perimeter minutes. At least three of those six would be on the floor at all times, sometimes four of that group, going small with Little at the 4, or really small with Releford at the 4.We could create some matchup problems with our quickness, but we would probably sacrifice rebounding against more traditional teams unless Little and Releford are exceptional rebounders for their size. We would also probably need to shoot a high percentage from 3 to spread the floor more and give our guys more driving lanes.All that said, we are in much better shape if the Morris twins qualify and we can rotate them with Thomas and Aldrich, unless Thomas and Aldrich can both play 28-33 minutes every single night.

OutlawJHawk 13 years, 4 months ago

Good post justanotherfan.I left off Thomas as a rotating big in my previous post...and obviously after last night's 11 boards, he may fit that bill. I was thinking power forward for him at 6'8", and with that size I think he will end up underneath the basket often.

yates33333 13 years, 4 months ago

If the Morris brothers aren't eligible, who will play power forward?

Ted Toulouse 13 years, 4 months ago

"They still have to tighten up a couple of issues, classes. We don't anticipate a problem."Seems like Self et al has been saying this for a while now. we better keep our noses clean with these guys.

barackchalkjhawk 13 years, 4 months ago

Could look like Duke last year without the twins. Very few, if any bigs. Hope we can hit some three's. Yes I said the "D" apologies.

Gary Bedore 13 years, 4 months ago

Keith, The incoming freshmen can't work the KU camp. It's against the rules. So Self helps farm them out to other camps like Chipman's, probably UMKC's, Jeff Boschee's. Not to be blunt, but that camp game is fun and all, but means nothing. It means nothing to coach Bill. It's just one of many pickup games the guys play. We make a big deal out of it in the LJ World cause, well, we make a big deal out of everything the hoop team does. Appleton's not being there is no big deal.Self is not worried about the twins qualifying; that's about all I can tell you there. Also, don't forget Brandon qualified and Brandon faced an uphill battle at the time. I'm appreciative at all the interest in hoops, please don't get me wrong, but sometimes I sense people have forgotten KU just won a title. I'm a White Sox fan and I was giddy the entire following season after 05 and the Sox tanked the following season. Enjoy follks, toast a cold one the rest of the summer to your champs.

KU 13 years, 4 months ago

Appleton probably worked the clinic in KC so he could get paid. I doubt if the NCAA would look kindly on KU paying him to work Self's camp.The Morris situation is starting to concern me.Regarding Lester's knee replacement: From what I've heard that is a surgery you want to put off as long as you possibly can. You definitely don't want to have the knee replacement replaced in 15 years! How many times can a guy have his leg basically amputated and put back together with new parts?

LAJayhawk 13 years, 4 months ago

Wait... your a South-sider???? Uhhggg. Grew up, am, and will always be a Cubs man. Yeah, I know, it's been a hundred years, but, hey, we've got the best record in the league right now. And, really, anyone can have a bad century, right?You, of course, know you are right about the basketball fanaticism and the need to appreciate what we've accomplished, but don't be surprised when this group starts pulling their collective hair out at the first loss. Two of my favorite teams are the Jayhawks and the Cubs. With one perfection is expected. With the other... well... It's rather apparent that no matter what, in sports, we like to torture ourselves....

KEITHMILES05 13 years, 4 months ago

There has never been to my knowledge a current team member who has not been involved with Self's camp; let alone a NEWBIE. I think if he had the choice to make it was a huge mistake. You are the new kid on the block and you need to stay on campus and tend to business.

LAJayhawk 13 years, 4 months ago

He's clearly saying it's not a big deal that Appleton is not there. He's reporting that it's fine with Self (and certainly Gary is someone who would know), so let's not start jumping on players for no reason.As to the twins: I know this is what we do on here (regarding the comment boards), but it may be a little early to start planning for the worst. Give these kids some time (unless you know something Gary), and I'm sure they will work it out. In two months if we're still in this position, let the rotation debate begin."Tyshawn is a bigger Russell (Robinson)..." Tell me that quote didn't make you smile.

Gary Bedore 13 years, 4 months ago

Relax on the Appleton stuff.These guys all work different camps in the summer and Appleton worked the KC camp with Self's blessing.Self wasn't stressed about it. It's just a camp pick up game.You don't make "huge mistakes" in the summer when you work camps. Again it's a camp pick up game.

JayCeph 13 years, 4 months ago

Is Oscar Goldman on the medical staff at KU?

justanotherfan 13 years, 4 months ago

We can rebuild him... we have the technology.

Blake Post 13 years, 4 months ago

Rock to the ChalkWe're Number 1!Xavier HenryAs it ever wasSo shall it be againCeltics-Lakers...and the Truth shall set you free

KEITHMILES05 13 years, 4 months ago

Are you saying he only worked on Wednesday at this camp and was in attendance at Self's camp Mon and Tue?

MGJayhawk 13 years, 4 months ago

Bill Self has never recruited shady players, except "Shady" Arthur (bad attempt at pun). We should trust Coach Self even more now with all of the national attention he'll be getting over the next 2 years. He's smart enough to not get involved with NCAA violations and audits. His charisma and youth get him all the recruits, not "friends of the program". The twins had a rough life growing up, and when you're constantly struggling to make ends meet, school isn't the main priority. It will all get worked out and there will be no talk of this in September. Self knows what he's doing and we'll be back in the Final Four within 3 years. Possibly twice within those 3 years.

FlaHawk 13 years, 4 months ago

It is becoming obvious that the Morris brothers are not rocket scientists. I hope KU stays clean with type of qualifier. The Morris brothers have a long and shady history in recruiting and changing schools.Something is starting to smell! I hope it is just the mildew from all the rain!

Gary Bedore 13 years, 4 months ago

Great point LAJayhawk. That's a good take on KUfandom.Your torture comment was excellent. I do realize people are going to freak at the first loss, and there will be some losses in the nonconference season.Hopefully some sane people will remind everybody to pop in a DVD of the title game.

lee3022 13 years, 4 months ago

Hey Gary -So nice for your interaction and cool hand on the throttle here. It is always hard the year after a championship not to think dynasty, but that just doesn't happen very often (as in once with John Wooden). I enjoy your stuff. Will the White Sox win this year?

FTUCH3432 13 years, 4 months ago

Just throwing it out there... (updated today) has removed Chalmers from the 08 draft and moved him to the 09 draft.

Gary Bedore 13 years, 4 months ago

I don't know, but that was a good win tonight over Colorado because the Sox allowed Detroit to wake up from its slumber with the three-game sweet in Motown and Detroit won again today versus the Dodgers. A loss to Colorado woulda been four in a row.I have no feel for the White Sox. It's been a bizarre season, virtually no hitting except for tons of hitting in the 7-game win streak at home that preceded the anemic series earlier this week in Detroit.

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