Friday, June 6, 2008

Gary Bedore’s KU Basketball Notebook


Long gone

Darrell Arthur, who at last week's NBA pre-draft camp indicated he had played his last game at KU, confirmed his decision to stay in the NBA Draft to coach Bill Self on this week's trip to Washington, D.C.

"We've known all along this would be the case. He didn't want to do anything (with regard to hiring an agent) in case of injury," Self said. "He's definitely going (to NBA)."

The 6-foot-9 Dallas native worked out for the New Jersey Nets on Wednesday. He'll be in Charlotte today and Denver on Saturday.

Chalmers in Phoenix

Mario Chalmers, who has entered his name in the draft but has not yet signed with an agent, will work out for the Phoenix Suns today and Denver Nuggets Sunday.

Chalmers, who is expected to remain in the draft, has until June 16 to withdraw his name if he wants to play a final season at KU.

"Mock draft projections for Chalmers fluctuate between the late-first and early-second round, but one player-personnel director said this week that his team's board had Chalmers ahead of Ty Lawson (North Carolina), and solidly into the first round,"'s Luke Winn said.

Rush in Toronto

KU's Brandon Rush, who worked out for the Orlando Magic on Wednesday, had an individual workout with the Toronto Raptors on Thursday. He'll be in New Jersey today.

He made it to the Toronto workout in time despite some travel problems caused by stormy weather in Florida.

"You've got to bring your best every time you step on the court," Rush said in an interview on the Raptors' Web site.

"My knee (repaired last spring with ACL surgery) is doing great. "They (teams) bring me in early. They X-ray it, pull on it. Every time it happens they say, 'Perfect.' I get it everyplace I go."

Mock draft, which is considered by many the best draft Web site, updated its projections on Thursday.

Rush, according to the site, will be tapped No. 15 overall by Phoenix and Arthur No. 16 by Philadelphia. Chalmers will be tapped seventh in the second round by Milwaukee and Sasha Kaun 23rd in the second round by Utah.

Boogie fever

Tickets remain for Bill Self's basketball boogie, set for Saturday night at Kansas Speedway. About 1,200 fans are expected to attend.

Fans will be able to pose with the national-title trophy. There will be both live and silent auctions and free-throw contests involving Self and KU players past and present. Music will be provided by Sawyer Brown as well as Disco Dick and the Mirror Balls.

There also will be a disco-dancing contest late in the evening with Self and his wife, Cindy, expected to be decked in disco attire.

It should be noted there will not be a celebrity basketball game in Allen Fieldhouse on Saturday. The game instead will be held at a later date as a separate Assists Foundation fundraiser.

For information on Saturday's events go to

Elite camp

Self will hold a two-day Elite Camp for top high school prospects today and Saturday. It will be closed to the public and media. Xavier Henry, the No. 2 prospect in the Class of 2009, is expected to attend, as well as No. 29 Elijah Johnson and No. 121 Stephan Van Treese plus unrated Jeff Reid of Topeka Hayden and Dorian Green of Lawrence High. Royce Woolridge, a 6-1 junior-to-be from Sunnyslope High in Phoenix, who has orally committed to KU, also will attend.


jhawks08 13 years, 6 months ago

I'm totally amazed that you all have the time probably using you're employers time to write these stupid comments.

NH_JHawk 13 years, 6 months ago

LAJayhawk -I had a similar experience at the Boston College game. Of course that game was a total blowout (unlike the USC game) but the look on the BC fans faces was absolutely priceless when the (surprisingly large) contingent of Jayhawks broke into the chant. They looked absolutely dumbfounded...

34_5_20_nbaTitle 13 years, 6 months ago

bobsarobot, I agree with you! I'm a hawk all the way i just happen to live in lincoln and these nebraska fans are out of there minds. every year they think there team is gonna be the best and when they're not they revert to volleyball and women's bowling to claim dominace. i like coach doc and bo but these fans drive me crazy. i know we talk about prospects in bball a lot on here but these fans (ne) seriously get off on high school kids. to the point where it almost creeps me out.

KUFan90 13 years, 6 months ago

Chalmers needs to come back. I'm sure it isn't appealing for him right now, but I think he would be really well positioned for next year's draft. If money is the only object, I think returning is his best long term money decision.

stravinsky 13 years, 6 months ago

Maybe if they keep x-raying B rush he'll turn into the hulk. Brandon angry! Brandon crush!

geniusmannumber1 13 years, 6 months ago

Right. Like I couldn't go over to "the Nebraska boards", whatever those are, and couldn't pick out three asinine posts in under five minutes.

geniusmannumber1 13 years, 6 months ago

"Gary - any rumblings on Chalmers coming back? His name doesn't seem mentioned in any workouts for pro teams....""Mario Chalmers, who has entered his name in the draft but has not yet signed with an agent, will work out for the Phoenix Suns today and Denver Nuggets Sunday."And jaybate, you're high.

Gary Bedore 13 years, 6 months ago

Chalmers is expected to definitely turn pro. I wrote a story last week trying to strongly imply that with quotes from Bill Self. I guess it didn't come across forceful enough when Self said there was a "great chance" both Mario and Shady would not return.He gave another quote in which he said there's no talking Mario into coming back.Mario's heart right now is into advancing to the NBA. That's why he declared.He worked out for Phoenix Friday and will have four more workouts.I don't really see a scenario in which he returns to KU, unless he gets hurt soon and nobody wants that for Super Mario. The only other scenario would be if some GM tells him there's absolutely no chance he'll be a first rounder.Jay Bilas says he's a first rounder and Bilas is pretty good.KU got the title and will likely have three first round draft picks with Sasha probably getting drafted in second round. He will make big bucks in Russia if he doesn't play in NBA.Darnell and Russell will have to wow some teams in individual workouts to get drafted, but both should definitely be able to make some money playing basketball. I'd envision both on NBA summer league teams even if they don't get drafted.

Mike Blur 13 years, 6 months ago

Also the breaking news on Lawson might have teams slotting Mario ahead of Lawson now.

jaybate 13 years, 6 months ago

First, I am, whether insane or not, serious about Rush being the best player in this draft without the knee injury.Second, shooters are a dime dozen in the NBA, but Rush is a 6'7" stud of a 2 guard., who gives you a match-up edge on defense and rebounding over all but a few 2 guards in the NBA, plus he is a terrific trey shooter. What team in the NBA wouldn't be better off going up against the Lakers and Kobe with Rush at the two trying to keep Kobe from going off for a mega game? Rush can muscle most NBA 2s and force them to defend him far from the hoop.By comparison, Beasley and Rose, at the 4 and 1, respectively, will wind up just about even with half or two thirds of the 4s and 1s in the NBA. Beasley and Rose create NO match up problems on offense or defense for MOST NBA teams. Everyone in the NBA has a 6'l0" 4 that can defend Beasley. And half or two thirds of the NBA teams have 1s that can defend Rose. RR and Chalmers and Collins could contain Rose and they aren't even considered serious threats to ever start in the NBA.The reason you don't draft Rush in the top 10 is that guys with knee injuries tend to get more knee injuries.With good knees he's a top ten pick for sure, an a number 1 for the right team.The fact that with a bum knee he has risen to 14 is , as I have already said, testament to what a truly unique and exceptional talent he is in this draft.Fact is ANY of the guards, 1s or 2s, that are supposedly going to be taken ahead of him he could lock down defensively in the NBA and easily shoot over them for a higher trey average.Advantage Rush.

livedeadhead 13 years, 6 months ago

dude, I don't post on here much but I do read most everything, and comments you make like this really make KU fans look stupid... I'm a big KU fan but if you guys want to know what serious and intelligent fans act like then go to over to the Nebraska boards - they may be a bit delusional but at least you get a sense they know what they are talking about (they don't sound like they are 12 y/o)

sevenyearhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

With X-rays being digital now, I understand that other teams might be afraid of some Photoshop work ...

Bob Zielinski 13 years, 6 months ago

i can assure all of you that nebraska's message boards (football and basketball) are full of idiots, baseless and overly hopeful predictions and so forth. people are already claiming pelini can bring nebraska football back to relevance with a ten win season for example. hopefully KU can contributet to keeping nebraska short of those ten wins again this season.

Paul Meyer 13 years, 6 months ago

JJHAWK, the top of the article mentions Chalmers NBA prospects.

actorman 13 years, 6 months ago

Saying "Rush without the legacy of a knee injury would easily be the first player taken in this draft" is decidedly un-Jaybate-like. Surely you must have been joking, right, Jaybate???

JJHAWK 13 years, 6 months ago

Gary - any rumblings on Chalmers coming back? His name doesn't seem mentioned in any workouts for pro teams and this article (mock draft comments) seem to have him in the second round. Any chance of getting a comment from his father on what Mario might be thinking?

melrank 13 years, 6 months ago

USER ALERT - Someone has stolen Jaybate's password and is erroneously posting under his Username. Please disregard the above comment as it might diminish his sterling reputation as a knowledgeble and credible participant on this board.

Gary Bedore 13 years, 6 months ago

Somebody wanted to know the schollie situation for 09.Making the very strong assumption (certainty) that Mario turns pro now, KU will enter next season with 11 scholarship players (four returnees, seven new guys).KU in 09 picks up a scholarship with the probation over, so KU will have two scholarships to give (since there are no seniors on the team).So KU has two scholarships to give.Collins could turn pro after his junior year, there's probably a very good chance of that, so that would be three available schollies. If Cole has a monster year, he could consider leaving for the draft, though I do not think that will happen (see Tyler Hansbrough staying four years at UNC).Any additional scholarships would involve current players leaving or giving up scholarships. I don't want to get into that what-if game. It's stupid to speculate on things like that.It's safe to say one scholarship will be reserved for Xavier Henry (whether he accepts it or not is his call). So at this time, with all those recruits out there, there is only one scholarship available aside from the one going to Henry.If KU inks more than two players, then there will be oversigning going on, which coaches have to do nowadays with the NBA stealing all the players early.

wischalk 13 years, 6 months ago

I should not laugh at this... I should not laugh at this... had to talk all year about Rush coming back to school because he tore his ACL. That sounds like a dream compared to a year of everyone saying you only came back to school because you are a COMPLETELY IRRESPONSIBLE MORON who got behind the wheal after too many drinks (while underage). Strong work, Lawson. He already should have been returning to school, but he has been loud in leaning toward staying in the draft, with all his complaining about a UNC media guide that described him as "testing the waters." This is not going to help him. I realize NBA players have and will continue to do the exact same thing (see: Carmelo's inability to keep up his image for even a full calendar year), but Lawson is already an extremely small, marginal shooter in a draft full of SOLID guards. He better come back to school now. This is a real issue... meanwhile, people try to make a big deal out of Beasly's "character issues," when as far as I can tell, his only issue is that he is a kid, chooses to act like one, and likes to joke around and have fun. It's not as if the guy isn't competitive.I have no idea what is going on with jaybate. I don't think he is ridiculous enough to write any of that man-crush nonsense about B-Rush, and if he were going to write anything, I think it's a safe bet that it would be so long as to require at least four consecutive full-length posts (I kid only because they often aren't a bad read).

LAJayhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

And to pile on to my previous post:If we don't win the championship because Brandon doesn't get hurt and doesn't come back, then our future also may not look as bright. Perhaps those 10 of 12 in the rivals top 20 remaining prospects for '09 wouldn't be considering KU as strongly.If a butterfly flaps its wings....

bryan123456789 13 years, 6 months ago

Rush will not be taken in the top 10, i like b-rush but you are crazy to think that

LAJayhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

Not to deviate from the debate on jaybate, but:"[Arthur] didn't want to do anything (with regard to hiring an agent) in case of injury..."I find it interesting how a terrible knee injury ended up affecting so many things in a positive way. Without that injury, Brandon does not come back. We (probably) don't win the national championship; he more than likely wouldn't be drafted as high as he would this year, and his teammates (again probably) aren't as apprehensive about diving head first into the risky world of the NBA draft. And, in the case of Mario, he may not be in the draft at all if Brandon doesn't return (if we didn't make the championship, he doesn't hit "the shot," etc.).I don't mean to play the "what if" game, but it is remarkably interesting the affect that injury had.

John Strayer 13 years, 6 months ago

Is Rush going to be radioactive after an X-ray at every work-out site? Would think he could tote on set of x-rays to each sight rather than having to go through it eveytime.I guess we are keeping x-ray technicians employed this way.

LAJayhawk 13 years, 6 months ago

USC and UCLA fans are equally as ridiculous out here. Actually USC fans may be the creepiest, scariest fans I've ever seen. It's almost like a cult.....Of course nothing felt better than hearing the Rock Chalk chant echo through the halls at USC's Galen center following the game on December 2nd. And the look on the 50-year-old dude's face behind me who had been taunting me and my wife the whole game when Mario drained that 25 footer to seal the win was absolutely priceless...... ah, the simply pleasures of life.......

nicka 13 years, 6 months ago

lajayhawk -ohio state fans are the worst. check 'em out when they come to town this fall. jaybate's post above would probably make the front page of the dispatch.

sportdan30 13 years, 6 months ago

Seriously, first person taken in the draft, Jaybate? Emphatically no. No way is he taken over Beasely or Rose. Rush is going to be very good, but shooters are a dime a dozen in the NBA.

bigjay83 13 years, 6 months ago

You mean like the one you just wrote?

bigjay83 13 years, 6 months ago

melrank--"...knowledgeable and credible participant..."???? Replying with 4000 word comments does not necessarily a credible poster make. jaybate does have an interesting insight every now and then, but, unfortunately, it is usually swallowed up by redundant, pointless and useless word vomit.But otherwise, everyone get off his freakin' back already. He offered a sports opinion; I'm pretty sure there are no grave consequences to what you are all considering a monumental error of judgment.livedeadhead-- geniusmannumber1 is exactly right. One unrealistic prediction does not mean KU fans are morons. That poster to which you refer generally has a good understanding of the game. Step down from your superior stance for a moment please (that statement is to be read with a sense of irony, as this whole post reeks of superiority).

actorman 13 years, 6 months ago

Good point about the usual length of Jaybate's comments, wischalk. Yet another indication that it must be an impostor.

jaybate 13 years, 6 months ago

To give folks an idea of just how terrific a player Rush is, he's going to be a lottery pick AFTER a knee injury.I still think the GMs are sand bagging on Brandon. He's the only player at ANY position among this years draftees that:a) is certain to start instantly;b) gives an NBA team instant match-up advantages over most opposing players at his position; andc) knows HOW to win.Rush without the legacy of a knee injury would easily be the first player taken in this draft.But even with the legacy knee injury, I still think he will be taken by Number 10.Again, if it doesn't happen, it will be because all the smart GMs and Coaches and owners have low picks because they are already winning.

actorman 13 years, 6 months ago

Good point about the injury, LAJayhawk. It's ironic that the injury was so huge for KU, given how many crucial injuries have killed KU over the years. Seems like poetic justice.Gary, can you explain how the oversigning works? I've always wondered about that. If you're a top-quality recruit and you commit to a program despite knowing that they're oversigning, what happens if they end up not having enough scholarships available. Has the team convinced one of its "lesser" players (like maybe Brady Morningstar) to give up his scholarship if necessary so they can sign the elite recruit, or do they screw over the recruit and say, "Sorry, I guess we don't have a scholarship for you after all. You'll have to try (at this late date) to sign somewhere else." This possibility must come up over and over, so how do most teams deal with it?

Gary Bedore 13 years, 6 months ago

I think coaches deal with it by having a darn good idea what's going to ultimately happen with returning personnel.For instance Bill was sure Rush and Arthur were going to leave. He wasn't completely positive about Mario (Mario might be returning had KU not won it all) and Sherron (he might have declared had he not had so many injuries) so you have to be careful oversigning by too many.But if you oversign and the math doesn't work out right, I think you are safe in speculating about perhaps taking away a schollie from a player who doesn't need it financially.That's the what if game.If a coach oversigned by too many (and no current player willing to give up a schollie) he'd be in a bind. Coaches can't oversign if they are not pretty darn sure guys are going pro. If a coach oversigned too many and had no options but to take away a schollie from a recruit who signed a letter or current player who didn't want the schollie removed, that coach would have a PR disaster on his hands.Really I don't think it is much an issue yet nationally because of all the movement of players and coaches.But let your imagination run wild on the what ifs of oversigning. It would not be a pretty scenario if kids were sqwaking about getting schollies removed or a recruit's mom and dad and the recruit himself furious about having an offer reneged upon.

actorman 13 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for the info, Gary. That certainly makes sense, but man I can't imagine how tough a job it is to be a coach, between recruiting, the pressure of the games, dealing with all the personalities, etc., and now adding the whole guessing game re turning pro. I guess that's why they make the big bucks. You do have to wonder, though, if sooner or later one of those "PR disasters" will hit a major program. I wouldn't be surprised if after something like that happened, they changed the rules about oversigning. That's how it usually works with that type of thing: one mess leads to revisions of the rules.Interesting take on Knight, Jaybate. I hadn't thought before about the possibility that he ran off players who weren't going to graduate. If that's true, that makes him even more of a scumbag than I thought he was, because his "integrity" was the one thing he had going for him.

jaybate 13 years, 6 months ago

Bob Knight sometimes appeared to deal with this problem by humiliating players into transferring. It used to be called running players off, when I was a kid.In later years, word seemed to get around about Knight. He never had too many players late in his term at IU, or at his short stay at TTech. From the outside looking in at his time in Indiana, and from a televised expose' of Knight, he appeared to use "running off" both to get rid of players who did not develop as players, and also to run off role players who could not graduate (after getting some mileage out of them first, if I recall correctly). That high graduation rate of Coach Knight's did not appear to come solely from enforcing study hall, or from limiting himself to the bright recruits. There appeared to be some strategic winnowing going on, but who can say for sure? I mention Knight not to single him out. Instead, I mention him simply because his frequent ugly behavior kept him in the spotlight and so we know a bit more about him than his contemporaries.Whatever, there would probably be nothing worse than practicing for a skilled button pusher, as most D1 coaches are, who does not want you on the team and who does want to give your scholie to someone else. D1 basketball has always seemed to me as hard as any business, all IMHO, of course.

melrank 13 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for the comments, Gary. Personally, I enjoy the interaction with the staff and appreciate your insights.I think Jaybate's assessment of Rush and his strengths are right on, but typically those qualities don't lend themselves to being the #1 overall pick. I see Brandon being a solid contributor - maybe even a really good pro - but not a "franchise" player worthy of the top pick (even if we could pretend the knee injury never happened). As a comparison, Brandon could very well be a classy version of Bruce Bowen if his explosiveness returns and he is able to really defend at the NBA level.

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