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Originally published January 30, 2008 at 02:32p.m., updated January 30, 2008 at 09:24p.m.

Guaranteed: K-State ends 24-year home court drought to KU, 84-75

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Final, K-State wins, 84-75

If streaks were meant to be broken, then the Jayhawks could take solace in having held off fate for this long.

After 24 years of home court suffering, the Kansas State Wildcats ended a drought in Manhattan against in-state rival Kansas University, taking home a resounding 84-75 win in Bramlage Coliseum Wednesday night.

Behind three freshmen, Kansas State did what no WIldcat team had done since 1983. Mike Beasley had 25 points and six rebounds, while Bill Walker supplied the 'Cats with 22 points and five boards. Point guard Jake Pullen stole the spotlight, though, with 20 points and four assists, including perfect 10-of-10 free throw shooting. Senior Clent Stewart also had 11 points.

Four Jayhawks scored in double figures, led by 19 points from Mario Chalmers. But the Jayhawks struggled offensively after the half, with Brandon Rush, who had a team-high 12 points in the first stanza, scoring just three in the second half, and they came on a three-pointer in the final minute. Rush finished with 15, while Darrell Arthur had 12 to go with seven rebounds. Sherron Collins, who scored a game-high 20 points in last year's 71-62 KU win in Bramlage, had 10 this time around.

The Jayhawks stayed around for most of the second half because of precision shooting at the free throw line, connecting on 17-of-20 attempts in the contest. K-State wasn't too shabby, though, at 17-of-22, and outrebounded the Jayhawks 34-30.

KU will have to wait until Saturday to rebound from its first loss of the 2007-08 season, taking on Colorado at 2:30 p.m. in Boulder. The Jayhawks are now 20-1 on the year and 5-1 in Big 12 play. K-State has won six in a row, improving to 15-4 and taking over sole possession of first place in the league at 5-0.

2:27, second half, K-State leads 76-64

Mike Beasley drew contact underneath and got to the line out of the timeout, hitting one of two free throws to give him 25 points on the night. Mario Chalmers then scored two in transition, but Jake Pullen matched it with two free throws of his own, making him 7-of-7 from the stripe on the night.

Then, after a KU turnover, Pullen went coast-to-coast and scored an and-one to make it a 12-point game at 73-61 with three minutes to play.

Chalmers then hit two more free throws to pull KU again within 10 points. Bill Walker erased that score, though, with a tip-in of a Blake Young miss, giving him 19 points and pushing the 'Cats back ahead by 75-63.

Russell Robinson then fouled out after Sherron Collins hit one of two free throws for the Jayhawks, and Clent Stewart hit one of two in response.

3:46, second half, K-State leads 67-59

After a K-State turnover, KU got to the line again, this time with Darrell Arthur drawing the first foul of the game on Mike Beasley. Arthur hit both shots, but Beasley then hit a square-up baseline jumper in front of Darnell Jackson. Jackson returned it by scoring two inside to keep it a six-point game.

Bill Walker drove the wing after that and scored two easy ones off the glass, giving him 17 points. Blake Young was called for his fourth foul on the other end, getting Russell Robinson to the line. Since trailing by 12 points minutes earlier, KU is now 8-of-8 from the line and 13-of-14 on the night.

Clent Stewart answered back by stepping around a screen and dropping in a three. Sherron Collins came back with an up-and-under layup. Mike Beasley then extended it back out to a 10-point game with a three after Clent Stewart scrambled for a loose ball on the deck. Bill self immediately called another timeout, with Beasley having now scored 24 points.

KU dropped in two out of the timeout, but the game headed into its final media break at the 3:46 mark down 67-59.

7:31, second half, K-State leads 57-48

Sherron Collins missed a three on the wing out of the timeout, and Blake Young took down his second rebound of the night for K-State. Bill Walker responded by banking in a three from the right wing, giving him 15 points on the night and handing K-State a seven-point lead.

Pullen then hit a three out of a 30-second KSU timeout to put the 'Cats ahead by 10 points at 55-45. Brandon Rush then missed a three of his own and Mike Beasley pulled down the tipped-around rebound attempt. Pullen dished to Beasley who then threw home a two-handed slam underneath, slapped the bottom of the backboard and forced Bramlage to explode with KSU up by 12.

Mario Chalmers finally ended the KSU run by slipping in two free throws in the bonus. Jake Pullen tried to get them back with a pull-up jumper, but he was short. Russell Robinson then got to the line for KU at the 9:14-mark with the Jayhawks down 10. He stroked both, making KU 9-of-10 at the line on the night.

Bill Walker tried a three to come back but couldn't hit. Though Darrell Arthur returned the favor, missing short on a turnaround jumper.

Walker missed another three, then missed the short follow-up, but Chalmers was blocked from behind by Beasley on the other end. Another Robinson miss drew anther Beasley rebound, giving him six on the night. Beasley was then fouled by Russell Robinson, sending the game into a full break.

11:58, second half, K-State leads 49-45

Mario Chalmers hit both free throws out of the timeout, but K-State couldn't capitalize after losing the ball out of bounds on a Darren Kent three miss. A Darrell Arthur miss sent the ball back with KSu. During a break in the action, Bill Walker came back in with his three fouls at the 14:14 mark.

K-State couldn't score on the possession, but Brandon Rush was long on a three look. Sherron Collins then missed, but Mike Beasley tipped in the miss while fighting for the board with Darrell Arthur. Arthur then was called for his fourth foul at the 13:33 mark on a Walker drive. Beasley then hit his third three of the game in three tries to put KSU back up by five. Sherron Collins responded with his first three of the game, making it 47-45 KSU.

Jake Pullen drove to the rack on K-State's next possession and was fouled. He hit both free throws, making him five-of-five from the stripe so far. Beasley then sat in place of Darren Kent, who quickly picked up his fourth foul.

15:51, second half, K-State leads 44-38

Off a Mike Beasley turnover, Russell Robinson fed Darnell Jackson in the open court out of the half for a huge two-handed slam to tie the game, 18-18.

With Bill Walker and Darrell Arthur on the bench to start the half, Mario Chalmers joined them, picking up his third foul, hacking Beasley on his way up. Beasley hit both to move into double figures with 10 points.

Sasha Kaun then had two huge blocked shots on Beasley and Dominique Sutton after a failed KU possession, but a Russell Robinson three look in transition was off and Beasley scored underneath after muscling up Kaun on the return trip, putting KSU up 42-38.

Sherron Collins then missed an acrobatic layup and the board was taken down by Sutton. After a walk called against Sasha Kaun, Beasley again manned up inside for two more, putting KSU up 44-38, having scored all six of the Wildcats' points this half.

After a KU timeout, Chalmers came back in to draw the first foul on Dominique Sutton going into a full timeout with K-State up 44-38.

Halftime, K-State leads 38-36

Jake Pullen missed a three out of the timeout, and on the other end Rod Stewart followed a Brandon Rush three miss with two off the glass. Mike Beasley was then called for a travel, sending the ball back with KU, trailing 36-33.

Brandon Rush then was called for his first foul in the form of a charge against Dominique Sutton. Clent Stewart scored on the other end with a follow-up layup off of a Darren Kent tip.

Brandon Rush continued to score on the drive, putting in his 11th and 12th points off the glass, slashing down the left wing for two to again make it a three-point game. A charge was called on KSU on the other end, giving KU the ball yet again down by three, this time with under a minute to go.

A loose ball scrum kept the ball with KU, and inside of 30 seconds, Darnell Jackson went to the line to shoot two, hitting one of them.

Darren Kent drew a foul inside with under a second to go in the half. He missed both charities, but K-State took a 38-36 lead into the break.

KU was an efficient 15-of-28 from the floor, but foul trouble plagued the Jayhawks just a tad in the first stanza. Darrell Arthur has three, and Sasha Kaun has two. Brandon Rush leads the Jayhawks with 12 points, including a 2-of-4 showing from three-point range.

Bill Walker led K-State with 12 points, but sat the final few minutes of the half with three fouls of his own. Mike Beasley was held to eight points on 3-of-10 shooting, but has no fouls through one half. KU has been outrebounded 18-16.

3:44, first half, K-State leads 36-31

Darrell Arthur was called for his third foul with 7:22 to go in the half, just after scoring on a spin move against Darren Kent out of the timeout. Cole Aldrich checked in in his place.

Brandon Rush was called for a carry just after Bill Walker was whistled for the same thing on the other end. Jake Pullen then drew a charging call on Russell Robinson to give KU its seventh team foul at the 6:21 mark.

Mario Chalmers stroked a three to put KU back on top, 29-28, after Mike Beasley missed inside again. Beasley responded with a three in the corner. Bill Walker then had to sit with his third foul of the game after elbowing Mario Chalmers in the mouth after getting a defensive rebound. Brandon Rush then tied it back up, 31-31, with a two-handed dunk while slashing down the baseline.

The foul calls continued to come against KU, this time against Chalmers. It was his second, and put Pullen at the line in the bonus.

Pullen hit both free throws, and a KU turnover set it back with the 'Cats. Beasley hit another three to put K-State up by five inside of the four-minute mark, and Cole Aldrich was then called for a foul to send the game into a full break.

7:54, first half, K-State leads 28-24

Darrell Arthur stepped out of bounds under the hoop after the media timeout. On the other end, after a foul on Sasha Kaun - his first- KSU again benefited following a Darren Kent miss. This time, Bill Walker spun in two off the glass. He then took down a defensive board off of a Darrell Arthur turnaround miss. At the next stoppage in play on the other end, Beasley checked back in in place of Kent.

Beasley quickly drew a defensive switch to get Arthur on him, and then drew the second foul on Arthur. That led to Bill Walker hitting another two on the baseline. Sherron Collins matched it with a similar shot. Walker came back with his second three of the game in the corner, giving the freshman a game-high 12 points so far.

Walker then was whistled for his second foul of the game, getting a piece of Darnell Jackson underneath. Jackson went to the line and hit both free throws, but K-State kept the offense coming. This time it was Jake Pullen driving and hitting a leaning layup while getting fouled. He hit the free throw, putting KSU up 26-22 with 9:51 to go in the half.

Mario Chalmers missed a three on the other end, giving KSU a chance to up the lead a bit more.

Michael Beasley then scored his first points of the game at the 9:18 mark to put KSU up by six and force the Bramlage crowd to erupt. Bill Self whistled for a 30-second timeout.

Blake Young and Sasha Kaun each earned their second fouls of the game in the first two possessions out of the timeout. A travel call on Dominique Sutton after a loose ball sent the game into its third full break.

11:57, first half, KU leads 18-16

Mike Beasley was called for a travel out of the timeout, and Mario Chalmers immediately silenced the crowd some, faking left, going right past Blake Young and throwing down a one-handed slam. Brandon Rush then soared in for a layup to make it a two-point game after a loose ball was gathered underneath by Sasha Kaun. Kaun tied the game moments later off the glass.

Jake Pullen broke the silence for K-State with a three that spun in around the rim to put KSU back up, 14-11.

Brandon Rush hit his second three of the game to tie things up, and that was followed by Arthur, just back in the game for Jackson, swatting away Darren Kent underneath on the defensive end. That caused Frank Martin to call a 30-second timeout. The 'Cats turned it over out of the break, and Brandon Rush then fed Russell Robinson for two in transition to give KU the lead. Then, a Brandon Rush defensive board turned into another transition opportunity, with Darrell Arthur this time hitting a long jumper from straight on to give KU an 18-14 lead. That forced another Frank Martin timeout, with Mike Beasley still scoreless and just 0-for-2 from the floor.

Dominique Sutton tipped in a Darren Kent miss out of the timeout to put life back into the Bramlage crowd, but a foul on Kent on the other end brought the game to a full break with KU up 18-16.

15:27, first half, K-State leads 11-5

KU controlled the opening tip, and off a feed from Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush canned a corner three right in front of the KSU student section to start things off.

Bill Walker matched the feat from the right wing on K-State's first possession. KU turned it over on its first possession, but a Michael Beasley airball sent it back with KU again. Russeell Robinson missed a corner three, and a tip from Darrell Arthur missed, giving Mike Beasley his first board of the game. Clent Stewart hit K-State's second three and put KSU up 6-3 just under two minutes in.

Another KSU turnover gave KU another chance to cash in offensively, but the Jayhawks couldn't connect, turning it over underneath. Bill Walker then missed a three from the same spot he hit at earlier, and Arthur pulled KU within one with a turnaround jumper over Walker off the glass.

K-State continued the three-point barrage, with Blake Young hitting his first three look of the game from up top, giving the 'Cats a 9-5 edge.

Russell Robinson drove the wing after Young was called for a foul, but he was swatted by Dominique Sutton. KSU failed to capitalize, and KU got another chance with the ball down by four.

Mario Chalmers was then called for a walk while driving the lane, giving KU its third turnover of the game. Mike Beasley missed an outside jumper on the other end, and Sutton missed the follow-up, but after an inbounds pass, Bill Walker spun inside and slammed home a one-handed dunk underneath. Dominique Sutton then grabbed a defensive board off another KU miss, but Walker couldn't hit a three on the other end. Darnell Jackson was then called for a walk, leading into the game's first full break.

Pregame

Manhattan - The streak, at this point, is only the start of it.

Forget the fact that Kansas University has won 24 straight games against Kansas State in Manhattan. That prestigious run almost takes a back seat to everything else tonight as KU and K-State play in Bramlage Coliseum.

No. 2 Kansas (20-0 overall, 5-0 Big 12) has taken the verbal high road this week in mostly opting not to respond to the claims of K-State freshman star Michael Beasley, who guaranteed a Wildcat victory late last week. No. 22 Kansas State (14-4, 4-0), winners of five straight, is more capable of backing up any pregame smack talk this year than it has at any point in recent history.

Beasley, who was regarded widely as the top high school prospect in last year's class, is certainly worth all the fuss. So far, the 6-foot-10 forward is averaging 25.3 points and 12.7 rebounds per game. He's made it look easy most of the time, too, shooting 56.6 percent from the floor despite working constantly against sagging zones and double teams. The 'Cats are more than just Beasley, though. Fellow freshman Bill Walker, now playing in the power forward slot, is averaging 15.8 points per game. What could dictate how the game plays out for K-State, though, is how those behind the tandem play, such as freshman point guard Jake Pullen, senior guard Clent Stewart and senior guard Blake Young.

KU's backcourt could be the key to staying undefeated on the year. Bill Self has mentioned this week the defensive importance Mario Chalmers and Russell Robinson could carry in helping clamp down on Beasley by denying as many entry passes as possible. Off the bench, sophomore Sherron Collins will be big, too. Collins is used to the rowdy atmosphere in Bramlage, scoring a game-high 20 points in a 71-62 win in Manhattan a year ago.

Tip-off is set for 7 p.m. tonight, and the game will be carried on ESPN-Plus (Sunflower channels 8 and 15).

Comments

KURUSH1530 7 years, 3 months ago

that's alright, we'll beat them in Africa..

Mr_Sandman 7 years, 3 months ago

I think that this could be the best thing for KU, I know that a lot of people will say this. I truly do think this though. We won't have whatever pressure comes along with being undefeated, we will have something to make us mad and keep us motivated, and we can see where are weaknesses are and fix them now. Just remember our last title team lost 11 times. It all really comes down to how well you can play when it matters and if you can play with consistency.

jayhawkaloogie 7 years, 3 months ago

I love Russell Robinson and I know he's a leader on the team, but isn't he consistently being outplayed by Collins and by other teams' guards? Come on, 1 for 8 shooting? Poor shot selection? Shouldn't Collins be getting the start?

pjdeanwag 7 years, 3 months ago

cklarock. I enjoyed your post as well. It's interesting that we wrote our posts almost at the same time with similar thoughts. I'm tired of the agitated mentality after games, especially on the message boards. We've got a great team, our opponents playing well only helps us. Seems simple enough. Good to have a kindred spirit.

JBurtin 7 years, 3 months ago

I don't really care about losing a game. I just hate to see some punk freshman talk smack and see a team full of seniors who either just don't seem to care, or are just too stupid to play fundamental basketball.

Somebody said earlier that Beasley was the best college player ever.

WRONG

We saw him last year.

Beasley is a good player, but his average point total is also his ceiling. Durant showed that in a big game situation, he could pretty much score as much as he wanted.

In my opinion, KU could have easily handled K-State if they would have pulled their heads out of their butts. When you have a serious advantage like a 6-6 Walker guarding our 6-10+ big men, but don't take advantage of it by pounding the ball inside every possession, then you have a serious problem with team dicipline. KU spent a good twenty minutes or more rushing down court and chucking up ill advised shots. The only time during the game when we were successful was when they pounded the ball inside several times in a row midway through the first half.

I just wonder how in the hell a team full of seniors and juniors has not yet figured out how to make sure that the big men get touches EVERY POSSESSION! It's seriously not that tough a concept.

With that change KU gets to the foul line more, K-State quickly gets in foul trouble with all their bigs, and before you know it KU has inched out to a 10 point lead with too little time left for K-State to make a run.

Sorry, but I'm just not buying the KU got beat by a better team argument, or the tough road environment argument, or the pressure argument, or the referee argument, or any other retarded argument anyone wants to come up with.

Our players forgot how to play basketball tonight, got beat by an inferior opponent, and should be embarrassed that they just got PUNKED by a freshman.

People talk about getting revenge in Allen Fieldhouse. Sure, our players might win the game, maybe even win it big, but I hope it burns in their minds that they were supposedly one of the best KU teams in the past 24 years, yet they were also the only KU team in 24 years to go to Manhattan and get owned by an 18 year old punk kid with a big mouth.

We have guys that are the same size and speed as Beasley. He just works hard at his game instead of expecting the name on his jersey to win the game for him. Maybe our basketball players need to watch a few reruns of our football games this year and figure out what really makes a champion.

We've played some decent basketball this year, and won some good games, but this is one Jayhawk that is sick and tired of hearing about over-hyped KU teams that never back up their talk with wins when it matters the most.

It either time to bring home a banner, or quit patting ourselves on the back for how great we are. 20 years since our last championship is not the elite level basketball we claim to play.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

four hours to go!

I cant wait until tip off...

jayhawker_97 7 years, 3 months ago

would somebody kusports.com please please find something more interesting article to read? this kind is getting old on most of us, don't you think? we know we're gonna beat the heck out of the stinky cats..

KUbsee69 7 years, 3 months ago

Unfortunately, tomorrow will be longer if we don't win.

Go Hawks!

springfieldfan 7 years, 3 months ago

Messala: "This is the day, Judah!"

Judah Ben-Hur: "Yes. This is the day."

Beasley, Walker, and Martin seem fit to play the role of Messala tonight, don't you think?

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

K-State's success coming mostly from the 3 not Beasley so far. I'll take that all night long considering it's a low percentage shot.

7 years, 3 months ago

We are hitting some nice shots...

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

KU just found their A game it looks like.

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Right on lance! K-State not executing their game plan so far. Beasley scoreless which is testiment to our D!

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

Some one better get on Walker like stink on you know what!

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

K-Suck will cool off. They are full of adrenaline right now, and not use to playing at a pace like this for a full 40 minutes.

Purposive 7 years, 3 months ago

Can't see the game, but I'm listening.

Sounds like the refs are calling this one by the seat of their pants. Very inconsistent, and we're suffering as a result.

I predict that State will continue bombing 3-pointers, but they'll cool off drastically and it will end up hurting them badly

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Ryan Greene,

Are you sure that Ed Hightower isn't officiating the game tonight?

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Hard to believe it, but KU is playing tentatively.

I've identified the problem, though.

KU always plays tentatively the first half when Rush has just had a haircut. :-)

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Nice one Jaybate... You might be onto something :-)

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Cole is playing some serious D on Beasely.

But KSU is playing some serious D on us. They are switching between zone and m2m and its hurting us.

Beasely is the best big in the country. He would eat Kevin Love alive. He could take Hansbrought, too. This guy shoots outside the way Durant did.

Purposive 7 years, 3 months ago

Are you saying Rush should "pull a Sasha"?

That would be ridiculous

These calls are really getting stupid

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Ya know NH_JHawk, Hightower might actually call this game a little better. Not quite sure what the point of emphasis is on tonight.

palewhale 7 years, 3 months ago

Just logged on to comment on the crap calls and it looks like I'm not the only one...

CaramelMacchMan 7 years, 3 months ago

We need DA's help..... next 4 buckets should come from DA..... Get him the F***ing ball..

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

In the second half KU must capitalize on free throws and have enough D to lower KSU filed goal percentage.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 7 years, 3 months ago

yeah whats up with the calls, this is terrible. Rodrick is playing very well.

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

What the fuh...we're lucky only to be down by 2!!!! Chalmers has disappeared!!!! We need more Chalmers!!!!

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

Russ Rob got robbed!!!! That was a BLOCKING FOUL.

klineisanazi 7 years, 3 months ago

Two things stick out from the first half: 1. Rebounding...KSU is picking up the trash , we aren't . 2. We are rushing on offense....Collins has been pretty bad...get the ball to Brandon!

mom_of_three 7 years, 3 months ago

I can't believe these calls. It isn't K state beating us, it's the calls.

Davis and Piper aren't liking the refs calls either.

Yes, Darrell Arthur needs to get back in the game.

But Cole was playing defense on Beasley.
Let's shut down K state guards already.

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

I agree kline. Rush brought his A game tonight and has the hot hand. Get the ball to Rush, then if the defense starts to pressure the outside make the entry pass to DA (assuming he's not on the bench)

Bleed_Crimson_Blue 7 years, 3 months ago

Will this be the game free throws kill us? Arthur has got to have a good 2nd half. Good job on Beasley in the first half (for the most part), but am I the only one worried that he hasn't dominated the game and we're still losing...

whitsterman 7 years, 3 months ago

the officiating is horrible in this game! self will make the needed adjustments at half, and we will come out more poised and efficient for the last roung of this slug fest.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

  1. The referees arent calling it even

  2. We're playing tentatively

  3. They've forced us to play THEIR GAME. We're not getting out into transition, and its largely a half-court game.

  4. Even in the half court it looks like we're being out-physicalled.

  5. I agree with the person who said we're lucky to be down only 2.

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm amazed that our guard play is NOT dominating.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

The diff so far is KSU shooting 46% from trey to our 33%, plus KU getting few strips.

And we're only down 2

We can guard the perimeter bettter, but we're trying to play alot of help on Beasely and Walker; this means our guards are thinking more about what's behind them than about how to pressure what's in front of them.

We can shoot better, too.

I'm betting we do, because it seemed to me like the rim at our end was a lot tighter than the rim at KSU's end. My guess is it actually was. I'm guessing we'll see KSU focus on the inside game the second half when they have the tight rim.

Tight rimming an opponents basket in the first half is an old trick I haven't seen tried for a long time. Unless you're there, you can't be sure, but if KSU routes their game inside the second half, when they're playing on the tight rim, it will be a dead give away.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

Bleed Crimson...

Excellent point! I had the same concern. Beasley's doing okay, but we're still losing.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Notice KSU wants no part of a trey shot playing at the tight rim.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

Self should find out who this officiating crew is...

...and decline to play whenever they show up.

Does anyone remember the NBA officiating scandal, where the ref was payed to assist the games?

mom_of_three 7 years, 3 months ago

Could someone show the refs what a pivot foot is, and how KSU is changing theirs all the time!!! Walk, walk, walk.....

Ted Hiliary/Hightower - is there a difference?

Vic Janeway 7 years, 3 months ago

The refs are making sure Ksuck gets a great shot at winning

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

I think Beasly's best attribute is to be invisible whenever a whistle blows.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Our short guards are having a tough go of it.

It is very important for Sherron to take over the next five minutes and drive and score and drive and dish. The game has to go inside and Sherron is the man to take the game inside. If we keep the ball on the perimeter, KU's big guard and wing just contain us.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

The refs have got to call the bump fouls on BOTH ends of the court!

Bleed_Crimson_Blue 7 years, 3 months ago

Not to be a "negative nancy", but we're going to lose.

We are getting out-rebounded, can't hit the three, can't play solid D without a ticky-tack foul being called on us, can't stop beasley/walker....

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

I dont know if Ive EVER seen worse officiating

EVER!!!!!!!!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

KU fortune should change, I changed out of my Texas Tech shirt to my Kansas shirt.

speedy 7 years, 3 months ago

well the lazer went out @ 4 min into 2nd half. now i,m at the mercy of r green and his lack of reporting anything. the refs beating us again!!

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

Never mind the officiating!!!! We are perfectly sucking a$$ all by ourselves!!!!

tim deegan 7 years, 3 months ago

a coupla more fouls on them would just about do it...their bench aint as deep as ours. cmon hawks!

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Attack Walker when he's on defense no matter where he is!!!!

Bleed_Crimson_Blue 7 years, 3 months ago

Walker banks in a three. Does that officially mean it's not our night? Sorry for the pessimism.

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

KSU is having a night just like Syracuse did against KU several years ago in the finals, putting in all kinds of slop.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Gut check time. Can the Kool Jazz boys win a game when they can't hit the trey?

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

What the hell is going on? We look like we have never played in a hostile enviroment or against a team that had nothing to loose. The guards have to step up now.

chalmerica_industries 7 years, 3 months ago

You guys gotta quit bitching about officiating. Both teams have been called for 15 fouls. One of their top players has been in foul trouble most of the game. They are outplaying us in most phases right now. We've got the weapons, though, and this team can buzz through a 12-point deficit in one minute. Let's root like never before for the next 10 minutes, and whatever the outcome, realize that blaming every little thing on refs is way beneath the fans of one the most respected programs in any sport.

EvanstonReader 7 years, 3 months ago

Kahn should take the paddles off his hands so he can catch a ball

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

Forget the officiating, cry babies...we're losing cause we're sucking a$$!!!!

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

We look bad, but we have stemmed the tide. The next two minutes will tell.

William James 7 years, 3 months ago

Thats what KSU usually does is blame all thier losses on the refs. Its very annoying.

superdave 7 years, 3 months ago

Pullen is outscoring all of our guys. When are our "stars" going to start playing like they are stars?

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

at least we're hitting our free throws

milehighhawker 7 years, 3 months ago

the officials have nothing to do with it so quit complaining. Hey jross, what do you think of beasley now?

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

I agree, jhwkfan1625...we've played timid ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

we deserve to lose playing like this.

and to jayhawkinatl...

most everyone ive seen calling out the refs have NOT said thats why we're losing, but is one of the factors contributing to it.

its the truth

Bleed_Crimson_Blue 7 years, 3 months ago

Does this game remind anyone else of 'the game' that knocks us out of the tournament most years? Cold from the outside, opposing team red-hot from 3-point range, guards not producing, tight officiating and foul-trouble, frantic attempt to come back in last few minutes...

This is the game all Jayhawks are worried will show itself in the big dance!

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

its coming down to a possession game. kstate is going to want to slow it way down. we have to have good defense and hit some big shots

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

DBlock has come up very short tonight. 7pts and 4 reebs. KSU's ability to shut him down has proven decisive in my mind. Everyone else is at, or near their average.

landon_2003 7 years, 3 months ago

if ku loses it's not the end of the world....i'd rather lose now then when it counts. ku will meet kstate again and i'm sure the outcome will be different.

danimal33 7 years, 3 months ago

This is the most god awful job of officiating i have ever seen. The refs are calling it even, but they have blown the f***in whistle 40 times this game!!!!! This is by far the ugliest game i have ever watched in the big 12.

superdave 7 years, 3 months ago

This does look like our recent tourney performances. Pressure?

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

i agree that the officiating is not the reason we are losing, but it is terrible. how was that an and 1?

huskersnjayhawks 7 years, 3 months ago

I think this game is sad really. I'm sorry but I do not think the officiating has been great, its been horrid at best. Bill Walker "clearing out" under the basket then throwing the ball on Mario was a tad bit ridiculous in my opinon. Whatever....our luck we will get Hightower at our house the next time we play KSU.

Did anyone else see Beasley make his "toking" sign up in the air??? GROSS!!!

If we are going to take a loss I'd rather it be NOW to a RANKED opponent on THE ROAD.

P.S. A&M is killing Texas right now.

tim deegan 7 years, 3 months ago

at least its not mizzou...but still...pretty disappointing.

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

KSU has players that have scored more than in their wetdreams.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Russ Rob goes out and so does our chances sorry to say.

landon_2003 7 years, 3 months ago

take away the 154328 three's they have made and it's a different game. also i've seen numerous times when ku has had them boxed out and then they come flying in and take it away with no foul. o well...hightower is a piece of s***. always calls ku like this. we'll get them next time. rock chalk

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Let 'em chant 1625...they haven't been able to do it in 24 years. We'll chant soon enough (and in a bigger game)

KUglow 7 years, 3 months ago

Ummm the reason this looks like past tournament losses is because this is what happens when you lose a game - you generally look like crap. When was the last time we looked good in a tournament loss? Go ahead, name it.

superdave 7 years, 3 months ago

Will Rush take a shot in this half? It's hard to score without shooting.

huskersnjayhawks 7 years, 3 months ago

I wonder there same thing jhwkfan1625....I can't understand it, because its coming off mumbled on the ESPN full court package.

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

KSU shooting percentage has been better from 3 point range than from the rest of the court. Syracuse all over again.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

I hope our guys will be safe when this is over... there gonna rush the court.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

We seem to have no answer for Beasely, Walker and Pullen.

Except for Beasely's trey shooting, we guarded him the way we intended to. He had to shoot 18 to make 9.

Walker we did not do a good job on, even though he was out much of the game with fouls.

Pullen just blows me away, though. We just could not guard him.

Biggest news is that KSU can play VERY good defense. Frankly, they beat us at our own game. Bottom line, they guarded so well we couldn't even get any good looks from the three. Amazing.

Joshua Hann 7 years, 3 months ago

Soobawls, fans don't decide who coaches. Can you be more ignorant? I mean really? Is it possible? Anyways... What a pitful performance. Hopefully they got it out of there system.

mom_of_three 7 years, 3 months ago

You should hear the radio rail on the refs. Hillary needs to retire

mom_of_three 7 years, 3 months ago

If the refs would have called the first half as they called the second half, this would be a different ball game

Ed Fox 7 years, 3 months ago

I totally agree lance1jhawk....they better haul butt off of that floor when this one's over or someone is going to get hurt.

Whatever, this game is a throw away. We'll get 'em in Lawrence and hopefully in the Big XII tournament again.

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

Every blind squirel finds a nut every once in a while. Revenge will be served March 1st.

landon_2003 7 years, 3 months ago

everyone listen up...we will be 20-1 and we will still get a #1 seed in the tourney. kstate will lose another game in the big 12 so we will catch them. ku will still win the big 12 and we will go much deeper in the big dance then kstate will. bad game by ku but just great 3 pt shooting by kstate. wait til march 1 when they come to allen fieldhouse...they are going to get blown out.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

We'll beat em in Lawrence we'll beat em in K.C. we'll beat em in Africa.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Amazing that from three minute down to 1 minute, we only took one trey. When you're down 11 you've got to shoot the three.

KUglow 7 years, 3 months ago

thank god this f'ing streak is over. Soobawls, please let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way back to your KSU board.

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

Soobawls do you come on here just to get a reaction? You should really find something better to do. They just played over their heads and won their national championship. We'll see if they play that good again all year, I doubt it.

Ed Fox 7 years, 3 months ago

soobawls - You're obviously an idiot. Total idiot. It's a wonder we didn't see you here the last 20 games. It's too bad that we're not allowed to just shut up stupid people.

fansincewilt 7 years, 3 months ago

It was a great run. I still would rather be the one with the 24 game winning streak than the one who just broke it. You'd think they just won the national championship. Self will be around long after Martin is gone, you can be sure of that.

William James 7 years, 3 months ago

Why are the announcers calling this an upset. I said and so did plenty others, before the game, that KSU would win. This isnt anymore of an upset than the football game was.

danimal33 7 years, 3 months ago

thank god it is finally over. it is pathetic that this is the only thing the purple people eaters have to live for. As for KU, it is back to work on saturday in their quest for their first nationai championship in 20 years. no more pressure about being undefeated, they know what they need to work on, now they can just get to work and get it done. I am so disappointed in the way they handled this game. It seems as if Self was outcoached tonight, and it is unfortunate. The hawks will land on their feet though, and they will learn from this defeat. Time to focus on Misery.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk! Go KU!

Mr_Sandman 7 years, 3 months ago

Whoever the hell soobawls is: You are officially a dumbass! Bill Self is one of the best recruiters in the nation and has the highest winning % of any KU coach who has coached more than 1 game. K-State has a one year fluke of a team thanks to a rotten turd of a coach who is in West Virginia. K-State beats us one time in 25 and still some moron is dumb enough to talk smack. Enjoy this win because it may only happen 3 times in you WHOLE LIFE!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

I understand KSU's celebration, but their record only improved to 1 and 23 in Bramlage.

ku98 7 years, 3 months ago

I can't believe we allowed 84 points. That's a season high for a KU opponent. It's all about defense. Strong defensive play usually leads to easy baskets. We had none of that tonight. Oh well...

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

Soobawls, I'm not angry, just wondering if you believe what you say or if you are one of those people that just likes to say something to get a reaction. Those people seem a little worthless to me.

KUglow 7 years, 3 months ago

I'll take a 20-1 start EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

jaybate - I find it amazing that Rush totally disappeared in the 2nd half. He had the hot hand and then just vanished into thin air. He should've been taking threes all night long especially the last 3 minutes.

Credit to K-State for taking us totally out of our game (and more precisely DA) The Beasley/Walker combo is legit and come as advertised. Pullen had a career night so he was the essential 3rd kid that had to step up in order for them to win.

No reason to hang our heads. It's only one game and we have a long season ahead of us. Like I said earlier, we'll have our chance to chant soon enough and it will be in a bigger game. Don't forget this is one of the best teams Kansas has EVER put on the floor so I'm confident looking forward.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

kataboom 7 years, 3 months ago

suck - oh well...now we dont have to hear about this unbeaten crap again.

Mr_Sandman 7 years, 3 months ago

Let the K-Staters enjoy this one, there is so little joy in being a wildcat we might as well distract them from the fact they live in Manhattan. I know that any basketball fan who isn't a complete idiot knows we are a top 5 basketball school and K-State is good about every quarter century.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

KState...

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you die.

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm shocked!!!! Their guard-play DOMINATED our guard-play. Pullen showed up to play.

Kyle Crenshaw 7 years, 3 months ago

i wouldnt be so dissapointed that we lost if it wasnt to ksu... but ku will go much farther and do much more the rest of the year than ksu could ever dream of doing. execution in that final minute was horrible but hopefully we got that out and will be ready by saturday.

landon_2003 7 years, 3 months ago

jhwkfan1625... they aren't more than a one year wonder....walker and beasley will leave after this year....that's another gaurauntee they will cash in on. although they wont beat us come march 1. ku will win by 15 plus.

fansincewilt 7 years, 3 months ago

I think this will make our guys hungier. This will grind in their stomachs enought to carry them through the rest of the Big 12. They may remember this all the way to a national championship. If so, we will have this game to thank.

OklahomaJayhawk5 7 years, 3 months ago

Wow Sooballs you really are an idiot. You just wont let it go. If you dont think Self is the guy then who would YOU hire since you think you know it all moron? And no

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

I have to disagree, jhwkfan1625...without Beasley in the lineup (who draws an awful lot of attention), the 'Cats are a VERY average team, even with Walker. Actually, both may be gone to the NBA.

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

Soobawls, fair enough. I just wanted to make sure you weren't one of those people.

FlaHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

KU had a good run this season, but this game exposed several weaknesses that have always been their but were exploited tongiht.

These were:

  • KU has NO bench. They lost Juju from last year and added nothing they could use in the NCAAs.

  • KU is soft around the bucket. They had same problem last year. K-State killed them within 8 feet of KSU basket.

  • KU defense can not contain All-Americans. Remember last year. Rush is good, but he is consistently outplayed by NBA 1st and 2nd round choices. KSU had two players better tonight by far. Beasley and Walker will go much higher than Rush to NBA.

  • KU still does not have a"go to" guy. Same problem as last year. KU has a solid team but one bad game in NCAAs and your done. Self has yet to get this type of player. He is a heck of a recruiter and does a decent job of game strategy, but KU has not had a "Stud" for a long time. Same knock on Williams. Remember the days of Bridges, Unseld, Robisch, Walker, Lovellette, Born, etc. This is what I mean by a "stud" (physcial and can score).

This loss is can be a big plus for the team, if Coach Self can convince them that they played a decent game. Shot very well (better than KSU) but got beat. They need to improve defense and dominate the boards and with a little luck they might win 2 of 3 from the Cats this year.

I'm not convinced KSU is a better team, but Walker, Beasle and Pullen were all Huggins recruits. KSU is much better and KU has not improved formlast year. Go Hawks!

kc_wildfire 7 years, 3 months ago

Congratulations to KSU. They played their best game of the year and KU played arguably one of their worst.

What concerns me the most is how it looked like no one on KU came out with any fire whatsoever. I know KU has virtually won every game against KSU since the late 80s but with all the talking that Beasley and the KSU faithful had been doing you would think that the KU players would get up for this one. I think they get up for games against MU more than they do KSU, which might have something to do with MU having a bit more success against KU.

However KU needed to get down and put in a situation where they could learn how to play from behind. They demonstrated tonight they don't know how to do that and more than likely it will happen to them again and they need that experience for the next time. Trading baskets when you are down by 10-12 points won't get you back in the game. Forcing turnovers, defensive stops and hitting threes will. KU did none of that, and rather unexplainably didn't try hardly any threes the last couple of minutes.

Hopefully they use this as a learning experience, both the players and coaches, and next time have a different outcome.

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

Beasely is better than Arthur. Walker is better than Rush, or Darnell.

I did not think so before the game, but I think so now.

This leaves our guards to beat KSU's guards by more than Beasley and Walker beat our bigs.

Our guards struggled against their guards.

Sutton, Stewart, and Merriewether were all 6'4". They aren't much for scorers and our guys defended them pretty well, but...they were tall enough to take away our outside shooting. Our guards got NO good looks from trifectaville. Remarkable.

Because Walker is sooooo good, and KSU's got three true twos for guards, Self was constantly being forced to choose which weakness to expose. If he moved Rush onto Walker, then KSU's three hurt us. If Rush stayed on the three then Walker hurt us. And all the while, their tall twos, were smothering our short guards outside.

Coach Self has some chalk board work to do figure out how to avoid this from happening again, when KSU visits AFH March 1st.

ku98 7 years, 3 months ago

Jayhawkinatl, I agree with you. Beasley and Walker were going to get their points no matter what. KSU needed someone else to step up and that Pullen kid from Chicago had the game of his young career, with career highs in points and FTM (10 for 10). As much as I hate to say it, you have to give KSU credit for doing what they did.
Let's keep this loss in perspective. It is only one loss, our first of the year, and it is a wake-up call. We'll learn from it.

FlaHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Oops ... I stated "studs" and used Walker rather than Walt Wesley the Chipola, FL miracle man!

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

KSU had determenation on there side tonight and we could not match it. Bill needs to remind his team that the Kansas on the front of the jersey equals a target on the back. The streak aside. We got out played all night, we could never match their desire to win the game, and that is what scares me the most. Where is our killer instinct, where is our desire, where is the heart? KU needs someone to step up and say climb on my back and lets go places.

Scott Lippoldt 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm not worried about the 'Hawks--I think this was the perfect time to lose a game. The streak was bound to stop at some time. Now we can start a new one. I'm looking forward to the K-State game at our place--should be fun. Go 'Hawks!

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

I can understand Beasley and Walker having good games. But how does KU let that midget Pullen have the game of his life!

kltbadboyz 7 years, 3 months ago

damn refs worst game i've seen in a long time.

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

I'm upset that we lost, but I'm more upset that we played so poorly.

1) We treated Beasley as if every shot he took would count for 40 points. We ran 2 or 3 guys at him every time he touched the ball near the paint and it resulted in our defense being out of position all night. This led to easy points for KSU's other players and too many second chance baskets because we were out of position to rebound.

Why not just take Beasley 1 on 1 and take everybody else out of the game?

2) Because of our poor game plan on defense, we scrambled and gave up too many easy looks from 3. When a team hits like KSU did from 3 tonight, not many teams are going to be able to win against them. But if we had just played strong fundamental defense, we would have been in position to contest the 3s.

3) Why did we leave Collins in the game? He had a horrible floor game tonight. He forced his way into the lane with no plan to finish or dish to a guy in position to finish. Clanked a number of jump shots. Was uneffective on defense. His stat line ended up looking good because he scored a bunch of junk at the end.

4) Why didn't we just pound it low instead of settling for jump shots from the 10 minute mark of the first half until the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half? Our guards were so out of control trying to drive to the basket. How many offensive fouls and turnovers did we have trying to force dribble drives into the lane?

5) Combine KSU's great percentage from 3 and the fact that Pullen had the game of his career and it's no surprise that KU got beat. I said all week that Beasley + Walker + 1 kid having the game of his life would make it very interesting.

I guess we'll have to start another streak next year, huh?

Rock Chalk!

jaybate 7 years, 3 months ago

P.S.: KSU beat us with only 8 guys and outrebounded us by two.

Walker was only 3 of 10 from trey and still got 22 pts. He's one of those 6'6" guys who has no neck. So: he plays like he's Darrell Arthur's size. Walker's shoulders were the same height as Arthurs--remarkable.

Notice also that Beasley only had 1 foul. Beasley did not have to work hard at all against Arthur, or Kaun, because neither player was challenging Beasely to play defense. I think next time Coach Self will take the game TO Beasely instead of away from him.

Now to the where was questions?

Where was Darnell the whole game?

Where was Brandon the second half?

Those two fellows will have to look in the mirror tommorow morning and suck it up. They let their brothers down a bit.

Dale Koch 7 years, 3 months ago

Rush non-existent in the 2nd half as usual. D-Jack ineffective all game long and there is no way DA can guard Beasley. K-State will win the BigXII

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

jaybate.......I agree. We should have pounded the ball inside. Beasley wasn't challenged enough. We settled for jump shots or wide drives to the hole by our guards. It was a very poor offensive gameplan.

Ken Tschetter 7 years, 3 months ago

Has anyone EVER rushed the court after beating K-State? Nope. That says it all about these two programs. KU will crush them in Lawrence in a month, and still win the Big 12.

CaramelMacchMan 7 years, 3 months ago

Next time KSU goes 12-26 at 3 point line... come back to me and tell me that KSU is a good team...

I'll agree with you..

12-26??? that is never going to happened again... Period..

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

dek......I think KU will still win the Big 12. KSU won't play consistently enough every game to win all their games. They'll trip up several times and we'll beat them in Lawrence.

Very disheartening that we couldn't beat them with one of their starters suspended. If we couldn't expose that tall skinny white kid, there's something wrong. We never really tried.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 7 years, 3 months ago

we better beat them at home. I can't believe its over. 24 YEARS. C'mon. Is k state really a better team than us?

kltbadboyz 7 years, 3 months ago

The fouls called on Arthur were so bad. They game them the contact fouls but we didnt get any of those calls. When KSU got up big then the stupid refs started calling the fouls to even it out. By then KSU was getting all the breaks and it was to late for us. The second half offense seem to be Robinson and Collings driving and unable to finish or get the calls. We needed more of Rush and Jackson. Why didnt Rush guard Walker? I bet Rod could guard Walker pretty well. damn this sucks i hate ksuck. Lets just hope this is the last one.

jayhawkinATL 7 years, 3 months ago

No doubt that we will draw even with the 'Cats in Lawrence...and I still believe that they have some road losses in them to come. So, ultimately, I think we'll be alright in the long run.

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

dek, I could not disagree more. They shot a higher percentage from 3 than they did inside the arc, it will not happen again. They played the BEST they could and we played OK and they beat us by 9 at home with one of the loudest crowds we will play against. When we play at home, they won't hit so many 3's and we will get more calls. We will beat them by double digits and we will win the BigXII.

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

rockchalk........Talent-wise there's really not that much difference between KU and KSU. I know we don't want to admit that, but it's no secret that Beasley and Walker were the best players on the floor tonight and KU played without the poise required to win on the road. We were impatient and tried to rush the pace of the game instead of letting the game come to us.

babyjayhawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

lance1jayhawk, You nailed it...where was the leadership, desire, etc.? Not one time did I see anybody step up and try to change the outcome of the game. I am still fuming, not only because we lost but because of the manner we lost. I agree we "need" to lose before the tournament, but at least show some effort. Here is an idea players, when one of their guys is driving to the basket v. 4 of ours, one of you better step up, get set and take a charge. It was like they were all sitting on their a$$e$ hoping someone else would do the dirty work for them. An idea for Self, our defense was awful to put it mildly, so why not go out on a limb and put in Case, Teahan, etc. to at least try and get some 3's. Who cares if they are not the best defenders...our starters weren't doing anything anyway. I am by no means giving up on this team because they are a great team, but this better be a big wake-up call. I still know we are a better team than K-State, but not tonight and we did not deserve to win. We will see the Kitties on March 1!

1865Hawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Nobody wanted this streak over more than Bill Self. He has downplayed it since he arrived at KU and I'm sure he is happy to have the pressure of keeping the streak alive off his back.

This game shows that it is more valuable to have two lottery picks than 7 late 1st and 2nd rounders. Anyone who thinks this team is better than the Gooden, Collison and Hinrich team is crazy. That level of talent makes it easier for the less talented players on the roster to step up.

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Ed Hightower is hiding out somewhere in his little cave laughing diabolically while poking his KU voodoo dolls. I guarantee you he had something to do with this.

srhendricks 7 years, 3 months ago

so here is what I'm upset about. We lose big games the same. UCLA in the tourney last year made shots and we came back down the floor and took hurried, well-defended shots. So we do this in the first half. Where is the coaching to change this in the second half. Don't the coaching staff and Self see it? We didn't rebound well since we triple guarded Beasley. This leads to my next point. We have what i have seen and most experts say as the best defense in the nation and we have to TRIPLE team one player. are you serious? that is unreal to me.

Lets analyze the NBA "players." Darrell Arthur. Seriously? big game and he takes terrible shots, and gets into foul trouble so he can watch an important game. Brandon Rush. three points in the second half. those three points coming within the last minute without a hand in his face. He only drives and shoots the three. reminds me of J.R. Giddens. He needs a middle range shot. please.

i still love this team. we have so much potential and things def. were not going our way tonight. i still think they'll win it all. I didn't think they would go undefeated and hopefully they'll learn from this. JUst please let us win our game in the feildhouse.

RedJay 7 years, 3 months ago

WHERE IS OUR DEFENSE!?!?!?!?

Is it just me, or do we have a serious problem holding star players to less than 25 points? Who was the last stud that we held in check, was it Carmello? Maybe it just seems that way, can anybody give me any stats on this?

Goomba 7 years, 3 months ago

The botom line is simple...KSU guards AND 'big's' were better tonight and I don't see that happening twice....

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

kitbadboyz......Come on, the refs were bad but they were bad both ways. I don't blame the refs on this loss. They came out early and called it close both ways to try to keep the game under control and if you'll recall, Walker spent the last 5 minutes or so if the first half on the bench with 3. It went both ways.

We just didn't play with enough poise to win on the road tonight, which is disappointing from an experienced team.

Ian Brown 7 years, 3 months ago

Don't blame KU's pathetic performance on the refs. K-State outplayed KU in every aspect of the game. Simply enough, they showed up to play and we didn't. They were ready to backup Michael Beasley's trash talk and KU wasn't prepared to neutralize the nations best 1-2 punch in Michael Beasley and Bill Walker. Moreover, in terms of boxing, K-State added a devestating upper-cut in Pullen. Granted it is an extremely hostile environment, if KU can't put up a better fight than that at K-State, they can kiss their hopes at a National Championship (or Big XII Championship for that matter) goodbye.

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

srhendricks....I agree about triple teaming Beasley. That's ridiculous. It's not like every shot he takes counts for 40 points. Just play straight up defense and then the rest of your guys are in position to rebound so KSU doesn't get so many 2nd chance points and we're not scrambling to try to get out on the 3 point shooters if we just play sound fundamental defense.

Let Beasley get 40. Who cares, if Pullen scores 5 and Stewart scores 5.

lance1jhawk 7 years, 3 months ago

I agree Jaybate where did Brandon go? Where were our big guys? Everyone needs to quit bitching about the officials and start thinking about where this teams heart is. If we are going to win a National Title or even a Big 12 title to a lesser extent, we have to play with heart. We did not loose because of officials, we just got out played. Todd Reesing needs to give a pep talk to a few players (Brandon) for one, on what Heart is.

kltbadboyz 7 years, 3 months ago

I think K state got the calls when it mattered more. We had to play up hill against a hot kstate team that got more of the loose balls and with the calls going there way. Yea we got calls 2 but it was when they were up big already. I was really shocked at the calls in the game and im not the only one that feels this way. Good win for them we'll get them back at home.

NH_JHawk 7 years, 3 months ago

Meanwhile Texas getting waxed by A&M by 20. Less than 2 min to go. Someone please tell me again how the Big 12 conference is ranked 4th in the RPI and the ACC is 1st? This conference is good!

KU 7 years, 3 months ago

Heart is important, but on the road in a hostile environment you have to play with your HEAD. We were so sped up and out of sync on the offensive end it was crazy.

BCRavenJHawkfan 7 years, 3 months ago

This is similar to Tiger Woods on the PGA tour. For anyone to beat him he has to have his C game and they have to have an A game. Tonight, KSU an A game and KU a C game. Overall who do you take Tiger or the field, Tiger.

kltbadboyz 7 years, 3 months ago

we cant win with Darnell only taking 2 shots. He was gone the whole game and Rush didnt take hardly any shots in the 2nd half. He was maybe the best player in the first half.

klineisanazi 7 years, 3 months ago

My takes: 1. I give them a pass on rushing the court. 24 long years, after all. 2. The schedule does favor KSU. They have Texas at home and go to Baylor, having already blown out A&M at home. KU has to go to A&M and Texas. I don't expect KSU to run the table, but KU's margin of error just got a little smaller. KU must win in Lawrence. It will be a game. 3. KSU's freshmen lit us up. They are for real. Across the board KSU has upgraded with better athletes than they had before.
4. Our offensive execution was atrocious. KSU gave KU the chance to get back in it when KU trailed by 8 and couldn't score on 4 straight possessions. It was then only a matter of time until Beasley warmed up. 5. The season is not lost. KU did not lose to a rummy. KSU could very well make a run in the NCAA tournament. They are no Missouri. And, they are no Texas. They play defense and are much more of a team at this point than Texas was last year. Suck it up KU fans. We've got a race on our hands. It will be good for these guys to be pushed.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

there are so many good points being made here that itd take a lot of time to say "amen" to all of them.

the general sentiment that seems to be distilling from all of these messages is that we have to "up" our level of play...A LOT. Arthur needs to unleash the beast and play with more of a presence inside. Jackson, one of our more physical players, was taken out of his game by even more imposing post bigs. Collins seemed to be aiming around without direction and Rush shied away from taking big shots after the first ten minutes. There was no high low working and we were taken out of our game plan. Kansas is a great transition team, yes...but we had better learn to play a very physical brand of basketball in a half-court game. This means (and I echo what jaybate says) we need to utilize our bigs by taking it to the opposing defense. Get a football mentality and pound the ball (you always hear about establishing the "run" game to open up the pass...we need to pound the ball low to open up the perimeter). Beasley and Walker were on a different level tonight. I dont know what Beasleys final point total was, but his PRESENCE in the game affected how we played at both ends of the court.

Disappointing loss? Yes...every loss IS. But the mitigating circumstances are these:

  1. The team we lost to was a ranked team, on their floor, and wasnt a "down the stretch" loss...all factors which the selection committee takes into account.

  2. We can use this loss as a mirror to tell us what are weaknesses are, and its better to find out NOW than in a tournament context.

  3. We get KState at least once more, and maybe twice before the tournament--and I, for one, hope we play them TWICE. You can not measure yourself by beat downs you put on cupcakes. You have to play in the big games.

  4. We will no longer be playing to "protect" an unblemished record, and that releases some pressure. We need to "get healthy" against Colorado this weekend.

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

And for the record...

If I were Coach Self (I assure you I am not, but...) Id stay mum about the officiating publicly but Id file a complaint with league officials with regard to the refereeing. That was the worst Ive seen in 30 years.

Shameful...

pjdeanwag 7 years, 3 months ago

Is it possible to be happy for K-State as a Kansas fan? Granted it sucks to loose. We're Jayhawks, and we're not used to it. But it also sucks a lot more to lose all those games to an instate rival without a single win, right? I felt bad for the Wildcats.

They put their faith in a guy with questionable character. Huggins said the right things, told 'em that things would be different this time, and just like most good Kansas folks do, they trusted the guy. Big mistake. Big Mess. And they were lucky that they had an option to keep their good players. Now this one season...that's it. If they were to win a game and break the streak, it should be this one.

It's easy to p!ss and moan until we get revenge. It's easy to blame it on refs, players, coaches. It's easy to fall for all the posers on this chat board who are writing in from Columbia and Manhattan, but why? We as Kansas basketball fans are smarter than that right?

This is probably the best team to suit up as Jayhawks since Raef, Paul, Scott and the 22-0 Hawks. It's a privilege to watch them play. Why don't we put it in perspective and just be glad the K-State's players didn't act like total scumbags out on the court like Missouri ALWAYS does. They played hard, backed up their play and got it done. I for one say congrats.

Tom Pritchard 7 years, 3 months ago

The thing I hate the most is the bias E(Eastern) S(Sports) P(Promotional) N(Network) And there wish KU will lose attitude. Oh and That Ass Big Ten ex ref Hightower and company....

Dale Koch 7 years, 3 months ago

OK so you all think they won't go 12 for 26 from 3 ever again, but don't you think after they go 6 for whatever, we might try to guard them some?????? They beat us hands down because they are better than KU, they out boarded us which should never happen and they totally shut down all of our big men, all 4 of them with just one man, BEASLEY. He is the best player to ever play in college, just wait and see, they only lose maybe one game at Baylor maybe, and they win all the rest, so we could possibly tie for the Big XII only if we can beat them AFH. That will be a difficult task. If you think crowd noise is a factor, that's just stupid, KU's players are juniors and seniors for gods sake and by now no crowd should intimidate them, that's just ridiculous to say. If that's the case wait till they go to UT and TAM. That's crowd noise and we have to go to both of their places. I said it before and I'll say it again, this team is another Elite 8 team and no better.

jayhawker_97 7 years, 3 months ago

who cares! KU will dump KSU at home. it's revenge time, baby!!!!!!!!!!! Ryan, you can go to KSU!!!!!! go Jayhawks!!!!!!!!!!!!

jayhawker_97 7 years, 3 months ago

Ryan Green sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dan Harris 7 years, 3 months ago

soobawls- If you had any real balls you would just say your a pussycat and stay the hell where you belong, your a jerk! Anyways, we played like crap, uptight from the beginning with none of our stars wanting to step up(B Rush ?) The refs were terrible but the reason we lost wasn't the refs it was K-States defense and their lights out 3 point shooting. Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for what can happen if you don't bring your A-game each and every time!

landon_2003 7 years, 3 months ago

what is everyone's problem?? WE ARE 20-1!!!! ONE LOSS AND YOU ARE ALL THINKKING KU'S SEASON IS DONE? COME ON...WE LOST TO A RANKED TEAM ON THE ROAD AND THEY PLAYED A PERFECT GAME WHILE WE PLAYED A HORRIBLE ONE. kstate will lose another game including at allen fieldhouse. i'm glad we lost now then later. ic ku winning out, we will be the texas schools. we wont lose again this year. mark my word...we wont lose again this year. we will run off win after win after win all the way to the championship..just watch. by the way...kstate cancelled classes tomorrow....they act like they just won the championship.

cklarock 7 years, 3 months ago

K-State played well, and Pullen in particular was impressive to me. I knew about Beasley and Walker, but it looks like we'll be battling with Pullen for years to come.

I'm personally glad the streak is over -- I'd rather see competitive local rivalries than the general irrelevance that has been K-State basketball over my lifetime.

Although I also have a feeling that this K-State resurgence is a one-and-done deal, gone with the NBA wind. I'm not convinced that any Huggins protege is going to turn out well, but you never know . . .

And why hate, give them their celebration! Entire scholastic generations have come and gone without getting to celebrate a home victory over KU!

Other teams' fans storm the court when they beat us . . . well yeah, we're Kansas. It's an implicit compliment.

Nor am I convinced that one bad game means doom and gloom for this team. We're still damn good. Despite the loss, this Kansas team is still one of the strongest I can remember, and they still have played (other than this evening) with a tremendous amount of poise and the kind of maturity that I think will take us the league, and do some damage in the Dance.

After tonight, it looks like we could use some more urgency and ruthlesness to our play (rather than "heart," an overused and misunderstood sports cliche). The 'Hawks tonight seemed to be waiting for the tide to turn rather than making it turn, and that cost us the game.

Credit to K-State, they did what they needed to, won with a clinical display, and had an answer for every KU surge.

Tomorrow, when I wake up as a fan of a one-loss basketball team, I'll just have to console myself that at least I'm not crushingly hung-over from too much partying in Aggieville.

And at least I'm still a Jayhawk.

cklarock 7 years, 3 months ago

@ pjdeanwag: well said. I couldn't agree more.

Andy Hess 7 years, 3 months ago

worst officiating i've ever seen. bar none.

ajayhawksince88 7 years, 3 months ago

kstate students handed out flyers with chants they wanted everyone to use. they wanted everyone to chant about sherron's dead son and about darnell jackson's mom's accident.

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

cklarock, best post I read all night.

smitty33 7 years, 3 months ago

I don't believe that cr*p ajahawk, KSU fans may be cheesy as heck, but they're no Mizzou fans.

I'm glad we lost to a great team, not a bad one. I think it was tough for our team to get very pumped up for this game. We had nothing to gain or prove tonight. The Cats had everything to gain. This was by FAR the best team we've played this year. I say good luck Cats, hope to meet you in the final 4 when you're not so hot from 3.

Rodney Stice 7 years, 3 months ago

cklarock-You wrote a good post. I hated to see ksucks win. I had a hard time watching the game. I have received many texts messeges from friends back home that are ksucks fans, claiming victory and that they are kings of the world. 20-1 is quite a record, and i'm sure that we shall regroup. Can't wait to see them beat down the next team. kansan by birth, Jayhawk by the grace of God.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!

jhawkwest 7 years, 3 months ago

I don't follow the rationale that it can be a good thing to lose a game like this now. This is exactly the kind of game we have to win, regardless if it's KSU or any other ranked team we play away from Allen FH. You don't win the NCAA tournament by beating teams by thirty points in Lawrence. You win it all by learning how to win tough games on the road against ranked teams. Tonight Kansas either did not take their "A" game on the road, which is an indication of a lack of toughness and maturity, or they were beaten by a better team. Either possibility does not presently bode well for our chances when the real season begins in March. And beating KSU by 10 or 15 points in Allen FH is not proof the problem is fixed.

kcmostwanted 7 years, 3 months ago

i was pretty disappointed at their performance tonight because they seemed to play w/ no toughness and seemed like for once they were out hustled to loose balls and just didn't seem like they wanted to be there... Almost as if they were overconfident ....If their plan was to stop 2 players then they made a mistake because the wildcats stepped up their game and played pretty well as a team.. although i don't know if they'll hit 10+ 3's again... Props to K-State.....Can't say a loss is ever good either but it's over and done with so i'll move on... I've seen 20 victories this year already so i'm sure i can suck this one up...and hopefully this is the last one until basketball season is over..

OklahomaJayhawk5 7 years, 3 months ago

Am I just too impatient for thinking Cole Aldrich might not be what we all thought? I know he is a freshman and has a huge learning curve ahead of him, but he just looks heavy footed and clueless most of the time. Any thoughts?

pahawk24 7 years, 3 months ago

jhawkwest, how many of the past national champions have lost a game like this, a tough game on the road in conference to a good team. I have no idea but I would bet at least 90% have lost a game like this. How many teams have gone undefeated? NO ONE plays their best every game against good competition. Are we going to win out and win the championship, I don't know, but this game isn't a sign that we are a bad team or have some glaring weakness.

PLKaws23 7 years, 3 months ago

This was good for us. It will make the players more determined, and it keeps them from getting too confident and comfortable. With those chants that were passed out, that takes KSU to a new low right along side missouri.

Also when I wake up in the morning, ill still be proud to be a Hawk fan. This was bound to happen, perfect timing

Joe Ross 7 years, 3 months ago

JBurtin...

RE:

"People talk about getting revenge in Allen Fieldhouse. Sure, our players might win the game, maybe even win it big, but I hope it burns in their minds that they were supposedly one of the best KU teams in the past 24 years, yet they were also the only KU team in 24 years to go to Manhattan and get owned by an 18 year old punk kid with a big mouth.

We have guys that are the same size and speed as Beasley. He just works hard at his game instead of expecting the name on his jersey to win the game for him. Maybe our basketball players need to watch a few reruns of our football games this year and figure out what really makes a champion.

We've played some decent basketball this year, and won some good games, but this is one Jayhawk that is sick and tired of hearing about over-hyped KU teams that never back up their talk with wins when it matters the most.

It either time to bring home a banner, or quit patting ourselves on the back for how great we are. 20 years since our last championship is not the elite level basketball we claim to play."

Dude you put it rough. Thats a tough pill to swallow, what you just wrote. But I cant say its not true. Wicked stuff.

jayhawker_97 7 years, 3 months ago

hmmm... I wonder if there's a job opening at kusports.com for some kind of basketball journalist, wait, i mean analyst.. err.. no, i mean a complainist.. there!! i'd highly recommend this jburtin's fart analysis.. it's stuuuupidiiiioouuusss!!!! get it? if not, go watch "Barney & friends"..

go Jayhawks, fight Jayhawks!!!!!!!!!

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