Guaranteed: K-State ends 24-year home court drought to KU, 84-75

By Ryan Greene

Originally posted 02:32 p.m., January 30, 2008
Updated 09:24 p.m., January 30, 2008

Final, K-State wins, 84-75

If streaks were meant to be broken, then the Jayhawks could take solace in having held off fate for this long.

After 24 years of home court suffering, the Kansas State Wildcats ended a drought in Manhattan against in-state rival Kansas University, taking home a resounding 84-75 win in Bramlage Coliseum Wednesday night.

Behind three freshmen, Kansas State did what no WIldcat team had done since 1983. Mike Beasley had 25 points and six rebounds, while Bill Walker supplied the 'Cats with 22 points and five boards. Point guard Jake Pullen stole the spotlight, though, with 20 points and four assists, including perfect 10-of-10 free throw shooting. Senior Clent Stewart also had 11 points.

Four Jayhawks scored in double figures, led by 19 points from Mario Chalmers. But the Jayhawks struggled offensively after the half, with Brandon Rush, who had a team-high 12 points in the first stanza, scoring just three in the second half, and they came on a three-pointer in the final minute. Rush finished with 15, while Darrell Arthur had 12 to go with seven rebounds. Sherron Collins, who scored a game-high 20 points in last year's 71-62 KU win in Bramlage, had 10 this time around.

The Jayhawks stayed around for most of the second half because of precision shooting at the free throw line, connecting on 17-of-20 attempts in the contest. K-State wasn't too shabby, though, at 17-of-22, and outrebounded the Jayhawks 34-30.

KU will have to wait until Saturday to rebound from its first loss of the 2007-08 season, taking on Colorado at 2:30 p.m. in Boulder. The Jayhawks are now 20-1 on the year and 5-1 in Big 12 play. K-State has won six in a row, improving to 15-4 and taking over sole possession of first place in the league at 5-0.

2:27, second half, K-State leads 76-64

Mike Beasley drew contact underneath and got to the line out of the timeout, hitting one of two free throws to give him 25 points on the night. Mario Chalmers then scored two in transition, but Jake Pullen matched it with two free throws of his own, making him 7-of-7 from the stripe on the night.

Then, after a KU turnover, Pullen went coast-to-coast and scored an and-one to make it a 12-point game at 73-61 with three minutes to play.

Chalmers then hit two more free throws to pull KU again within 10 points. Bill Walker erased that score, though, with a tip-in of a Blake Young miss, giving him 19 points and pushing the ‘Cats back ahead by 75-63.

Russell Robinson then fouled out after Sherron Collins hit one of two free throws for the Jayhawks, and Clent Stewart hit one of two in response.

3:46, second half, K-State leads 67-59

After a K-State turnover, KU got to the line again, this time with Darrell Arthur drawing the first foul of the game on Mike Beasley. Arthur hit both shots, but Beasley then hit a square-up baseline jumper in front of Darnell Jackson. Jackson returned it by scoring two inside to keep it a six-point game.

Bill Walker drove the wing after that and scored two easy ones off the glass, giving him 17 points. Blake Young was called for his fourth foul on the other end, getting Russell Robinson to the line. Since trailing by 12 points minutes earlier, KU is now 8-of-8 from the line and 13-of-14 on the night.

Clent Stewart answered back by stepping around a screen and dropping in a three. Sherron Collins came back with an up-and-under layup. Mike Beasley then extended it back out to a 10-point game with a three after Clent Stewart scrambled for a loose ball on the deck. Bill self immediately called another timeout, with Beasley having now scored 24 points.

KU dropped in two out of the timeout, but the game headed into its final media break at the 3:46 mark down 67-59.

7:31, second half, K-State leads 57-48

Sherron Collins missed a three on the wing out of the timeout, and Blake Young took down his second rebound of the night for K-State. Bill Walker responded by banking in a three from the right wing, giving him 15 points on the night and handing K-State a seven-point lead.

Pullen then hit a three out of a 30-second KSU timeout to put the ‘Cats ahead by 10 points at 55-45. Brandon Rush then missed a three of his own and Mike Beasley pulled down the tipped-around rebound attempt. Pullen dished to Beasley who then threw home a two-handed slam underneath, slapped the bottom of the backboard and forced Bramlage to explode with KSU up by 12.

Mario Chalmers finally ended the KSU run by slipping in two free throws in the bonus. Jake Pullen tried to get them back with a pull-up jumper, but he was short. Russell Robinson then got to the line for KU at the 9:14-mark with the Jayhawks down 10. He stroked both, making KU 9-of-10 at the line on the night.

Bill Walker tried a three to come back but couldn’t hit. Though Darrell Arthur returned the favor, missing short on a turnaround jumper.

Walker missed another three, then missed the short follow-up, but Chalmers was blocked from behind by Beasley on the other end. Another Robinson miss drew anther Beasley rebound, giving him six on the night. Beasley was then fouled by Russell Robinson, sending the game into a full break.

11:58, second half, K-State leads 49-45

Mario Chalmers hit both free throws out of the timeout, but K-State couldn’t capitalize after losing the ball out of bounds on a Darren Kent three miss. A Darrell Arthur miss sent the ball back with KSu. During a break in the action, Bill Walker came back in with his three fouls at the 14:14 mark.

K-State couldn’t score on the possession, but Brandon Rush was long on a three look. Sherron Collins then missed, but Mike Beasley tipped in the miss while fighting for the board with Darrell Arthur. Arthur then was called for his fourth foul at the 13:33 mark on a Walker drive. Beasley then hit his third three of the game in three tries to put KSU back up by five. Sherron Collins responded with his first three of the game, making it 47-45 KSU.

Jake Pullen drove to the rack on K-State’s next possession and was fouled. He hit both free throws, making him five-of-five from the stripe so far. Beasley then sat in place of Darren Kent, who quickly picked up his fourth foul.

15:51, second half, K-State leads 44-38

Off a Mike Beasley turnover, Russell Robinson fed Darnell Jackson in the open court out of the half for a huge two-handed slam to tie the game, 18-18.

With Bill Walker and Darrell Arthur on the bench to start the half, Mario Chalmers joined them, picking up his third foul, hacking Beasley on his way up. Beasley hit both to move into double figures with 10 points.

Sasha Kaun then had two huge blocked shots on Beasley and Dominique Sutton after a failed KU possession, but a Russell Robinson three look in transition was off and Beasley scored underneath after muscling up Kaun on the return trip, putting KSU up 42-38.

Sherron Collins then missed an acrobatic layup and the board was taken down by Sutton. After a walk called against Sasha Kaun, Beasley again manned up inside for two more, putting KSU up 44-38, having scored all six of the Wildcats’ points this half.

After a KU timeout, Chalmers came back in to draw the first foul on Dominique Sutton going into a full timeout with K-State up 44-38.

Halftime, K-State leads 38-36

Jake Pullen missed a three out of the timeout, and on the other end Rod Stewart followed a Brandon Rush three miss with two off the glass. Mike Beasley was then called for a travel, sending the ball back with KU, trailing 36-33.

Brandon Rush then was called for his first foul in the form of a charge against Dominique Sutton. Clent Stewart scored on the other end with a follow-up layup off of a Darren Kent tip.

Brandon Rush continued to score on the drive, putting in his 11th and 12th points off the glass, slashing down the left wing for two to again make it a three-point game. A charge was called on KSU on the other end, giving KU the ball yet again down by three, this time with under a minute to go.

A loose ball scrum kept the ball with KU, and inside of 30 seconds, Darnell Jackson went to the line to shoot two, hitting one of them.

Darren Kent drew a foul inside with under a second to go in the half. He missed both charities, but K-State took a 38-36 lead into the break.

KU was an efficient 15-of-28 from the floor, but foul trouble plagued the Jayhawks just a tad in the first stanza. Darrell Arthur has three, and Sasha Kaun has two. Brandon Rush leads the Jayhawks with 12 points, including a 2-of-4 showing from three-point range.

Bill Walker led K-State with 12 points, but sat the final few minutes of the half with three fouls of his own. Mike Beasley was held to eight points on 3-of-10 shooting, but has no fouls through one half. KU has been outrebounded 18-16.

3:44, first half, K-State leads 36-31

Darrell Arthur was called for his third foul with 7:22 to go in the half, just after scoring on a spin move against Darren Kent out of the timeout. Cole Aldrich checked in in his place.

Brandon Rush was called for a carry just after Bill Walker was whistled for the same thing on the other end. Jake Pullen then drew a charging call on Russell Robinson to give KU its seventh team foul at the 6:21 mark.

Mario Chalmers stroked a three to put KU back on top, 29-28, after Mike Beasley missed inside again. Beasley responded with a three in the corner. Bill Walker then had to sit with his third foul of the game after elbowing Mario Chalmers in the mouth after getting a defensive rebound. Brandon Rush then tied it back up, 31-31, with a two-handed dunk while slashing down the baseline.

The foul calls continued to come against KU, this time against Chalmers. It was his second, and put Pullen at the line in the bonus.

Pullen hit both free throws, and a KU turnover set it back with the ‘Cats. Beasley hit another three to put K-State up by five inside of the four-minute mark, and Cole Aldrich was then called for a foul to send the game into a full break.

7:54, first half, K-State leads 28-24

Darrell Arthur stepped out of bounds under the hoop after the media timeout. On the other end, after a foul on Sasha Kaun - his first- KSU again benefited following a Darren Kent miss. This time, Bill Walker spun in two off the glass. He then took down a defensive board off of a Darrell Arthur turnaround miss. At the next stoppage in play on the other end, Beasley checked back in in place of Kent.

Beasley quickly drew a defensive switch to get Arthur on him, and then drew the second foul on Arthur. That led to Bill Walker hitting another two on the baseline. Sherron Collins matched it with a similar shot. Walker came back with his second three of the game in the corner, giving the freshman a game-high 12 points so far.

Walker then was whistled for his second foul of the game, getting a piece of Darnell Jackson underneath. Jackson went to the line and hit both free throws, but K-State kept the offense coming. This time it was Jake Pullen driving and hitting a leaning layup while getting fouled. He hit the free throw, putting KSU up 26-22 with 9:51 to go in the half.

Mario Chalmers missed a three on the other end, giving KSU a chance to up the lead a bit more.

Michael Beasley then scored his first points of the game at the 9:18 mark to put KSU up by six and force the Bramlage crowd to erupt. Bill Self whistled for a 30-second timeout.

Blake Young and Sasha Kaun each earned their second fouls of the game in the first two possessions out of the timeout. A travel call on Dominique Sutton after a loose ball sent the game into its third full break.

11:57, first half, KU leads 18-16

Mike Beasley was called for a travel out of the timeout, and Mario Chalmers immediately silenced the crowd some, faking left, going right past Blake Young and throwing down a one-handed slam. Brandon Rush then soared in for a layup to make it a two-point game after a loose ball was gathered underneath by Sasha Kaun. Kaun tied the game moments later off the glass.

Jake Pullen broke the silence for K-State with a three that spun in around the rim to put KSU back up, 14-11.

Brandon Rush hit his second three of the game to tie things up, and that was followed by Arthur, just back in the game for Jackson, swatting away Darren Kent underneath on the defensive end. That caused Frank Martin to call a 30-second timeout. The ‘Cats turned it over out of the break, and Brandon Rush then fed Russell Robinson for two in transition to give KU the lead. Then, a Brandon Rush defensive board turned into another transition opportunity, with Darrell Arthur this time hitting a long jumper from straight on to give KU an 18-14 lead. That forced another Frank Martin timeout, with Mike Beasley still scoreless and just 0-for-2 from the floor.

Dominique Sutton tipped in a Darren Kent miss out of the timeout to put life back into the Bramlage crowd, but a foul on Kent on the other end brought the game to a full break with KU up 18-16.

15:27, first half, K-State leads 11-5

KU controlled the opening tip, and off a feed from Mario Chalmers, Brandon Rush canned a corner three right in front of the KSU student section to start things off.

Bill Walker matched the feat from the right wing on K-State’s first possession. KU turned it over on its first possession, but a Michael Beasley airball sent it back with KU again. Russeell Robinson missed a corner three, and a tip from Darrell Arthur missed, giving Mike Beasley his first board of the game. Clent Stewart hit K-State’s second three and put KSU up 6-3 just under two minutes in.

Another KSU turnover gave KU another chance to cash in offensively, but the Jayhawks couldn’t connect, turning it over underneath. Bill Walker then missed a three from the same spot he hit at earlier, and Arthur pulled KU within one with a turnaround jumper over Walker off the glass.

K-State continued the three-point barrage, with Blake Young hitting his first three look of the game from up top, giving the ‘Cats a 9-5 edge.

Russell Robinson drove the wing after Young was called for a foul, but he was swatted by Dominique Sutton. KSU failed to capitalize, and KU got another chance with the ball down by four.

Mario Chalmers was then called for a walk while driving the lane, giving KU its third turnover of the game. Mike Beasley missed an outside jumper on the other end, and Sutton missed the follow-up, but after an inbounds pass, Bill Walker spun inside and slammed home a one-handed dunk underneath. Dominique Sutton then grabbed a defensive board off another KU miss, but Walker couldn’t hit a three on the other end. Darnell Jackson was then called for a walk, leading into the game’s first full break.

Pregame

Manhattan - The streak, at this point, is only the start of it.

Forget the fact that Kansas University has won 24 straight games against Kansas State in Manhattan. That prestigious run almost takes a back seat to everything else tonight as KU and K-State play in Bramlage Coliseum.

No. 2 Kansas (20-0 overall, 5-0 Big 12) has taken the verbal high road this week in mostly opting not to respond to the claims of K-State freshman star Michael Beasley, who guaranteed a Wildcat victory late last week. No. 22 Kansas State (14-4, 4-0), winners of five straight, is more capable of backing up any pregame smack talk this year than it has at any point in recent history.

Beasley, who was regarded widely as the top high school prospect in last year's class, is certainly worth all the fuss. So far, the 6-foot-10 forward is averaging 25.3 points and 12.7 rebounds per game. He's made it look easy most of the time, too, shooting 56.6 percent from the floor despite working constantly against sagging zones and double teams. The 'Cats are more than just Beasley, though. Fellow freshman Bill Walker, now playing in the power forward slot, is averaging 15.8 points per game. What could dictate how the game plays out for K-State, though, is how those behind the tandem play, such as freshman point guard Jake Pullen, senior guard Clent Stewart and senior guard Blake Young.

KU's backcourt could be the key to staying undefeated on the year. Bill Self has mentioned this week the defensive importance Mario Chalmers and Russell Robinson could carry in helping clamp down on Beasley by denying as many entry passes as possible. Off the bench, sophomore Sherron Collins will be big, too. Collins is used to the rowdy atmosphere in Bramlage, scoring a game-high 20 points in a 71-62 win in Manhattan a year ago.

Tip-off is set for 7 p.m. tonight, and the game will be carried on ESPN-Plus (Sunflower channels 8 and 15).

Comments

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Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

four hours to go!

I cant wait until tip off...

Posted by jayhawker_97 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 2:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

would somebody kusports.com please please find something more interesting article to read? this kind is getting old on most of us, don't you think?
we know we're gonna beat the heck out of the stinky cats..

Posted by digitalkookie (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

this has been the longest day....

Posted by KUbsee69 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unfortunately, tomorrow will be longer if we don't win.

Go Hawks!

Posted by springfieldfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Messala: "This is the day, Judah!"

Judah Ben-Hur: "Yes. This is the day."

Beasley, Walker, and Martin seem fit to play the role of Messala tonight, don't you think?

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FINALLY! Game on!

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

not good so far...

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

K-State's success coming mostly from the 3 not Beasley so far. I'll take that all night long considering it's a low percentage shot.

Posted by txrockchalk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We are hitting some nice shots...

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU just found their A game it looks like.

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Right on lance! K-State not executing their game plan so far. Beasley scoreless which is testiment to our D!

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some one better get on Walker like stink on you know what!

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

K-Suck will cool off. They are full of adrenaline right now, and not use to playing at a pace like this for a full 40 minutes.

Posted by Purposive (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't see the game, but I'm listening.

Sounds like the refs are calling this one by the seat of their pants. Very inconsistent, and we're suffering as a result.

I predict that State will continue bombing 3-pointers, but they'll cool off drastically and it will end up hurting them badly

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ryan Greene,

Are you sure that Ed Hightower isn't officiating the game tonight?

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hard to believe it, but KU is playing tentatively.

I've identified the problem, though.

KU always plays tentatively the first half when Rush has just had a haircut. :-)

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice one Jaybate... You might be onto something :-)

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cole is playing some serious D on Beasely.

But KSU is playing some serious D on us. They are switching between zone and m2m and its hurting us.

Beasely is the best big in the country. He would eat Kevin Love alive. He could take Hansbrought, too. This guy shoots outside the way Durant did.

Posted by Purposive (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Are you saying Rush should "pull a Sasha"?

That would be ridiculous

These calls are really getting stupid

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ya know NH_JHawk, Hightower might actually call this game a little better. Not quite sure what the point of emphasis is on tonight.

Posted by palewhale (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just logged on to comment on the crap calls and it looks like I'm not the only one...

Posted by CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We need DA's help..... next 4 buckets should come from DA..... Get him the F***ing ball..

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In the second half KU must capitalize on free throws and have enough D to lower KSU filed goal percentage.

Posted by rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yeah whats up with the calls, this is terrible. Rodrick is playing very well.

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What the fuh...we're lucky only to be down by 2!!!! Chalmers has disappeared!!!! We need more Chalmers!!!!

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Russ Rob got robbed!!!! That was a BLOCKING FOUL.

Posted by klineisanazi (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Two things stick out from the first half:
1. Rebounding...KSU is picking up the trash , we aren't .
2. We are rushing on offense....Collins has been pretty bad...get the ball to Brandon!

Posted by mom_of_three (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe these calls. It isn't K state beating us, it's the calls.

Davis and Piper aren't liking the refs calls either.

Yes, Darrell Arthur needs to get back in the game.

But Cole was playing defense on Beasley.
Let's shut down K state guards already.

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree kline. Rush brought his A game tonight and has the hot hand. Get the ball to Rush, then if the defense starts to pressure the outside make the entry pass to DA (assuming he's not on the bench)

Posted by Bleed_Crimson_Blue (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Will this be the game free throws kill us? Arthur has got to have a good 2nd half. Good job on Beasley in the first half (for the most part), but am I the only one worried that he hasn't dominated the game and we're still losing...

Posted by whitsterman (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the officiating is horrible in this game! self will make the needed adjustments at half, and we will come out more poised and efficient for the last roung of this slug fest.

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

1. The referees arent calling it even

2. We're playing tentatively

3. They've forced us to play THEIR GAME. We're not getting out into transition, and its largely a half-court game.

4. Even in the half court it looks like we're being out-physicalled.

5. I agree with the person who said we're lucky to be down only 2.

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm amazed that our guard play is NOT dominating.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The diff so far is KSU shooting 46% from trey to our 33%, plus KU getting few strips.

And we're only down 2

We can guard the perimeter bettter, but we're trying to play alot of help on Beasely and Walker; this means our guards are thinking more about what's behind them than about how to pressure what's in front of them.

We can shoot better, too.

I'm betting we do, because it seemed to me like the rim at our end was a lot tighter than the rim at KSU's end. My guess is it actually was. I'm guessing we'll see KSU focus on the inside game the second half when they have the tight rim.

Tight rimming an opponents basket in the first half is an old trick I haven't seen tried for a long time. Unless you're there, you can't be sure, but if KSU routes their game inside the second half, when they're playing on the tight rim, it will be a dead give away.

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bleed Crimson...

Excellent point! I had the same concern. Beasley's doing okay, but we're still losing.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where's the intensity for the Jayhawks??!!

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Notice KSU wants no part of a trey shot playing at the tight rim.

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What the fu*k is Chalmers?!?!

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Self should find out who this officiating crew is...

...and decline to play whenever they show up.

Does anyone remember the NBA officiating scandal, where the ref was payed to assist the games?

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ooops...where

Posted by mom_of_three (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Could someone show the refs what a pivot foot is, and how KSU is changing theirs all the time!!!
Walk, walk, walk.....

Ted Hiliary/Hightower - is there a difference?

Posted by oceanvger55 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The refs are making sure Ksuck gets a great shot at winning

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think Beasly's best attribute is to be invisible whenever a whistle blows.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our short guards are having a tough go of it.

It is very important for Sherron to take over the next five minutes and drive and score and drive and dish. The game has to go inside and Sherron is the man to take the game inside. If we keep the ball on the perimeter, KU's big guard and wing just contain us.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Way to go Sherron! Big much-needed three right there!

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The refs have got to call the bump fouls on BOTH ends of the court!

Posted by Bleed_Crimson_Blue (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not to be a "negative nancy", but we're going to lose.

We are getting out-rebounded, can't hit the three, can't play solid D without a ticky-tack foul being called on us, can't stop beasley/walker....

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont know if Ive EVER seen worse officiating

EVER!!!!!!!!!

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU fortune should change, I changed out of my Texas Tech shirt to my Kansas shirt.

Posted by speedy (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well the lazer went out @ 4 min into 2nd half. now i,m at the mercy of r green and his lack of reporting anything.
the refs beating us again!!

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Never mind the officiating!!!! We are perfectly sucking a$$ all by ourselves!!!!

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's gonna cost Bill Self $5000 or $10,000; but he needs to publicly call out the refs for wanting so badly to be a part of basketball history.

Posted by Jyhwk_InTigrtwn (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

a coupla more fouls on them would just about do it...their bench aint as deep as ours. cmon hawks!

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Attack Walker when he's on defense no matter where he is!!!!

Posted by Bleed_Crimson_Blue (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Walker banks in a three. Does that officially mean it's not our night? Sorry for the pessimism.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So when does one of our guys step up?

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe the zone defense will help...and then again, maybe not. SOMEBODY WAKE THE HELL UP!

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU now at 28% from trey.

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU is having a night just like Syracuse did against KU several years ago in the finals, putting in all kinds of slop.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gut check time. Can the Kool Jazz boys win a game when they can't hit the trey?

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

or rebound the ball jaybate...

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One positive: KU is 9/10 on FTs

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What the hell is going on? We look like we have never played in a hostile enviroment or against a team that had nothing to loose. The guards have to step up now.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

26% from trey now.

Posted by chalmerica_industries (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You guys gotta quit bitching about officiating. Both teams have been called for 15 fouls. One of their top players has been in foul trouble most of the game. They are outplaying us in most phases right now. We've got the weapons, though, and this team can buzz through a 12-point deficit in one minute. Let's root like never before for the next 10 minutes, and whatever the outcome, realize that blaming every little thing on refs is way beneath the fans of one the most respected programs in any sport.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on, guys. Time is starting to run out.

Posted by EvanstonReader (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kahn should take the paddles off his hands so he can catch a ball

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Forget the officiating, cry babies...we're losing cause we're sucking a$$!!!!

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We look bad, but we have stemmed the tide. The next two minutes will tell.

Posted by fabio (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thats what KSU usually does is blame all thier losses on the refs. Its very annoying.

Posted by superdave (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pullen is outscoring all of our guys. When are our "stars" going to start playing like they are stars?

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

at least we're hitting our free throws

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU is now 11/12 from FTs.

Good shot from D-Jax!

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Now its 13/14 on FTs. Turn up the intensity!

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a very bad feeling that we KU fans are witnessing a bad bit of college basketball history...

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU is playing very soft tonight.

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We look like dog $hit!!!!!

Posted by Jyhwk_InTigrtwn (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

beasley with the kill shot...ouch!

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we cant trade twos for threes

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Regardless of the results, Bill Self needs to break out the football pads for the next few practices.

Posted by milehighhawker (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

the officials have nothing to do with it so quit complaining. Hey jross, what do you think of beasley now?

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree, jhwkfan1625...we've played timid ALL NIGHT LONG!!!!

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

we deserve to lose playing like this.

and to jayhawkinatl...

most everyone ive seen calling out the refs have NOT said thats why we're losing, but is one of the factors contributing to it.

its the truth

Posted by Bleed_Crimson_Blue (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does this game remind anyone else of 'the game' that knocks us out of the tournament most years? Cold from the outside, opposing team red-hot from 3-point range, guards not producing, tight officiating and foul-trouble, frantic attempt to come back in last few minutes...

This is the game all Jayhawks are worried will show itself in the big dance!

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

its coming down to a possession game. kstate is going to want to slow it way down. we have to have good defense and hit some big shots

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, Bleed, we may as well lose this game "tournament-style" in the regular season.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DBlock has come up very short tonight. 7pts and 4 reebs. KSU's ability to shut him down has proven decisive in my mind. Everyone else is at, or near their average.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But also remember this: Our national championship teams lost at least once to Kansas State.

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 9:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

agreed Bleed Crimson...

Posted by danimal33 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is the most god awful job of officiating i have ever seen. The refs are calling it even, but they have blown the f***in whistle 40 times this game!!!!! This is by far the ugliest game i have ever watched in the big 12.

Posted by landon_2003 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if ku loses it's not the end of the world....i'd rather lose now then when it counts. ku will meet kstate again and i'm sure the outcome will be different.

Posted by superdave (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This does look like our recent tourney performances. Pressure?

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i agree that the officiating is not the reason we are losing, but it is terrible. how was that an and 1?

Posted by huskersnjayhawks (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think this game is sad really. I'm sorry but I do not think the officiating has been great, its been horrid at best. Bill Walker "clearing out" under the basket then throwing the ball on Mario was a tad bit ridiculous in my opinon. Whatever....our luck we will get Hightower at our house the next time we play KSU.

Did anyone else see Beasley make his "toking" sign up in the air??? GROSS!!!

If we are going to take a loss I'd rather it be NOW to a RANKED opponent on THE ROAD.

P.S. A&M is killing Texas right now.

Posted by Jyhwk_InTigrtwn (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

at least its not mizzou...but still...pretty disappointing.

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU has players that have scored more than in their wetdreams.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What is that the Cats' fans are chanting?

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Russ Rob goes out and so does our chances sorry to say.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Look out folks: Aggieville Riots Basketball Edition will begin as soon as the final buzzer sounds...

Posted by landon_2003 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

take away the 154328 three's they have made and it's a different game. also i've seen numerous times when ku has had them boxed out and then they come flying in and take it away with no foul. o well...hightower is a piece of s***. always calls ku like this. we'll get them next time. rock chalk

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let 'em chant 1625...they haven't been able to do it in 24 years. We'll chant soon enough (and in a bigger game)

Posted by KUglow (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Ummm the reason this looks like past tournament losses is because this is what happens when you lose a game - you generally look like crap. When was the last time we looked good in a tournament loss? Go ahead, name it.

Posted by superdave (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Will Rush take a shot in this half? It's hard to score without shooting.

Posted by huskersnjayhawks (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder there same thing jhwkfan1625....I can't understand it, because its coming off mumbled on the ESPN full court package.

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU shooting percentage has been better from 3 point range than from the rest of the court. Syracuse all over again.

Posted by soobawls (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is the best thing that could have happened to us. K State is doing us a favor by beating us silly. We walked in expecting to win because it says Kansas on our jersey and now we are learning what it is like to play against men. Can bill learn from this? Lets hope, personally I wanted him fired after Bucknell but thats not what most KU fans wanted so he is still here.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This would be the basketball equivalent of when we beat Nebraska in football in 2005.

Posted by Jyhwk_InTigrtwn (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

43 fouls??? wtf?

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope our guys will be safe when this is over... there gonna rush the court.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey soobawls, this has nothing to do with coaching; he can only instill so much desire in his team. I wanted him fired after we lost to Bucknell, but changed my mind after we beat Texas in Dallas to win the Big 12 Tournament title game.

K-State wants it more, and they deserve to win it more than we do.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We seem to have no answer for Beasely, Walker and Pullen.

Except for Beasely's trey shooting, we guarded him the way we intended to. He had to shoot 18 to make 9.

Walker we did not do a good job on, even though he was out much of the game with fouls.

Pullen just blows me away, though. We just could not guard him.

Biggest news is that KSU can play VERY good defense. Frankly, they beat us at our own game. Bottom line, they guarded so well we couldn't even get any good looks from the three. Amazing.

Posted by Royaljayhwk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Soobawls, fans don't decide who coaches. Can you be more ignorant? I mean really? Is it possible?
Anyways...
What a pitful performance. Hopefully they got it out of there system.

Posted by mom_of_three (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You should hear the radio rail on the refs. Hillary needs to retire

Posted by mom_of_three (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If the refs would have called the first half as they called the second half, this would be a different ball game

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Frank Martin is about to be deified in PowerCat country...

Posted by BannerforKirk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I totally agree lance1jhawk....they better haul butt off of that floor when this one's over or someone is going to get hurt.

Whatever, this game is a throw away. We'll get 'em in Lawrence and hopefully in the Big XII tournament again.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A loss to KSU in Lawrence is unthinkable, even with Beasley out there.

Posted by soobawls (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This has everything to do with coaching. Self does not prepare his teams for real competition. He wants to be pals with his players, he doesn't want to be their coach. Hope you pinheads like this game because this is a preview of our first round game in the tournament.

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Every blind squirel finds a nut every once in a while. Revenge will be served March 1st.

Posted by landon_2003 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

everyone listen up...we will be 20-1 and we will still get a #1 seed in the tourney. kstate will lose another game in the big 12 so we will catch them. ku will still win the big 12 and we will go much deeper in the big dance then kstate will. bad game by ku but just great 3 pt shooting by kstate. wait til march 1 when they come to allen fieldhouse...they are going to get blown out.

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We'll beat em in Lawrence we'll beat em in K.C. we'll beat em in Africa.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Just like the loss to Oral Roberts was a preview of our game against Niagara, right bawls?

Posted by soobawls (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU is the better team by FAR and it looks like they have a better coach as well. This is what you get for not firing Self after Bucknell and Bradley...enjoy.

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's over...it's over...it's over...it's over...

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amazing that from three minute down to 1 minute, we only took one trey. When you're down 11 you've got to shoot the three.

Posted by KUglow (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thank god this f'ing streak is over. Soobawls, please let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way back to your KSU board.

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Soobawls do you come on here just to get a reaction? You should really find something better to do. They just played over their heads and won their national championship. We'll see if they play that good again all year, I doubt it.

Posted by BannerforKirk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

soobawls - You're obviously an idiot. Total idiot. It's a wonder we didn't see you here the last 20 games. It's too bad that we're not allowed to just shut up stupid people.

Posted by fansincewilt (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It was a great run. I still would rather be the one with the 24 game winning streak than the one who just broke it. You'd think they just won the national championship. Self will be around long after Martin is gone, you can be sure of that.

Posted by fabio (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why are the announcers calling this an upset. I said and so did plenty others, before the game, that KSU would win. This isnt anymore of an upset than the football game was.

Posted by danimal33 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thank god it is finally over. it is pathetic that this is the only thing the purple people eaters have to live for. As for KU, it is back to work on saturday in their quest for their first nationai championship in 20 years. no more pressure about being undefeated, they know what they need to work on, now they can just get to work and get it done. I am so disappointed in the way they handled this game. It seems as if Self was outcoached tonight, and it is unfortunate. The hawks will land on their feet though, and they will learn from this defeat. Time to focus on Misery.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk! Go KU!

Posted by soobawls (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

haha yeah, you know in your hearts we are headed for flame out after flame out under Self. You wouldn't be getting so angry if you didn't believe it.

Posted by Mr_Sandman (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Whoever the hell soobawls is: You are officially a dumbass! Bill Self is one of the best recruiters in the nation and has the highest winning % of any KU coach who has coached more than 1 game. K-State has a one year fluke of a team thanks to a rotten turd of a coach who is in West Virginia. K-State beats us one time in 25 and still some moron is dumb enough to talk smack. Enjoy this win because it may only happen 3 times in you WHOLE LIFE!!

Posted by fansincewilt (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

24 - 1. Wow! Who would you rather be?

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I understand KSU's celebration, but their record only improved to 1 and 23 in Bramlage.

Posted by ku98 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe we allowed 84 points. That's a season high for a KU opponent. It's all about defense. Strong defensive play usually leads to easy baskets. We had none of that tonight. Oh well...

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm as pissed as anybody about this, but let's get this in perspective.

At the end of the day, the mark in Bramlage Coliseum is still: Kansas 19, Kansas State 1.

Only one other team had a longer on-the-road win streak over their opponents: UCLA over California, as mentioned in the article earlier today.

A K-State that can compete with us harks back to the days when the Sunflower Rivalry determined Big 8 conference titles.

The streak couldn't go on forever. That's why its called a streak.

The streak was so long it spanned to KSU arenas: Ahearn and Bramlage.

Why is it okay for us to celebrate the end of NU's 36-year streak over us, but not okay for KSU to celebrate the end of our 24-year streak?

Don't worry. Bill Self will make sure his players are thoroughly pissed. KU losing to KSU is the worst possible thing that could happen to Colorado, Missouri, and Baylor. Hopefully we will play with more passion in those games and not throw in the towel like we did after the Texas Tech game in 2005.

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Soobawls, I'm not angry, just wondering if you believe what you say or if you are one of those people that just likes to say something to get a reaction. Those people seem a little worthless to me.

Posted by KUglow (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll take a 20-1 start EVERY SINGLE YEAR!

Posted by NH_JHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jaybate - I find it amazing that Rush totally disappeared in the 2nd half. He had the hot hand and then just vanished into thin air. He should've been taking threes all night long especially the last 3 minutes.

Credit to K-State for taking us totally out of our game (and more precisely DA) The Beasley/Walker combo is legit and come as advertised. Pullen had a career night so he was the essential 3rd kid that had to step up in order for them to win.

No reason to hang our heads. It's only one game and we have a long season ahead of us. Like I said earlier, we'll have our chance to chant soon enough and it will be in a bigger game. Don't forget this is one of the best teams Kansas has EVER put on the floor so I'm confident looking forward.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Posted by kataboom (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

suck - oh well...now we dont have to hear about this unbeaten crap again.

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen, KUglow

Posted by Mr_Sandman (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Let the K-Staters enjoy this one, there is so little joy in being a wildcat we might as well distract them from the fact they live in Manhattan. I know that any basketball fan who isn't a complete idiot knows we are a top 5 basketball school and K-State is good about every quarter century.

Posted by soobawls (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No, I dont believe what I say, I KNOW It. 20-1 doesn't mean crap if you flame out in the tournament. The tournament is all that matters. I don't care how many games we lose during the season as long as we get in and play to our seed (which we have done ONCE under Self).

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've got a feeling that KSU is more than just a one-year wonder, Sandman...

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on January 30, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KState...

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow you die.

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm shocked!!!! Their guard-play DOMINATED our guard-play. Pullen showed up to play.

Posted by kylecisnum1 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i wouldnt be so dissapointed that we lost if it wasnt to ksu... but ku will go much farther and do much more the rest of the year than ksu could ever dream of doing. execution in that final minute was horrible but hopefully we got that out and will be ready by saturday.

Posted by landon_2003 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

jhwkfan1625...
they aren't more than a one year wonder....walker and beasley will leave after this year....that's another gaurauntee they will cash in on. although they wont beat us come march 1. ku will win by 15 plus.

Posted by fansincewilt (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think this will make our guys hungier. This will grind in their stomachs enought to carry them through the rest of the Big 12. They may remember this all the way to a national championship. If so, we will have this game to thank.

Posted by OklahomaJayhawk5 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow Sooballs you really are an idiot. You just wont let it go. If you dont think Self is the guy then who would YOU hire since you think you know it all moron? And no

Posted by jayhawkinatl (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to disagree, jhwkfan1625...without Beasley in the lineup (who draws an awful lot of attention), the 'Cats are a VERY average team, even with Walker. Actually, both may be gone to the NBA.

Posted by pahawk24 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Soobawls, fair enough. I just wanted to make sure you weren't one of those people.

Posted by FlaHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KU had a good run this season, but this game exposed several weaknesses that have always been their but were exploited tongiht.

These were:

- KU has NO bench. They lost Juju from last year and added nothing they could use in the NCAAs.

- KU is soft around the bucket. They had same problem last year. K-State killed them within 8 feet of KSU basket.

- KU defense can not contain All-Americans. Remember last year. Rush is good, but he is consistently outplayed by NBA 1st and 2nd round choices. KSU had two players better tonight by far. Beasley and Walker will go much higher than Rush to NBA.

- KU still does not have a"go to" guy. Same problem as last year. KU has a solid team but one bad game in NCAAs and your done. Self has yet to get this type of player. He is a heck of a recruiter and does a decent job of game strategy, but KU has not had a "Stud" for a long time. Same knock on Williams. Remember the days of Bridges, Unseld, Robisch, Walker, Lovellette, Born, etc. This is what I mean by a "stud" (physcial and can score).

This loss is can be a big plus for the team, if Coach Self can convince them that they played a decent game. Shot very well (better than KSU) but got beat. They need to improve defense and dominate the boards and with a little luck they might win 2 of 3 from the Cats this year.

I'm not convinced KSU is a better team, but Walker, Beasle and Pullen were all Huggins recruits. KSU is much better and KU has not improved formlast year.
Go Hawks!

Posted by kc_wildfire (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Congratulations to KSU. They played their best game of the year and KU played arguably one of their worst.

What concerns me the most is how it looked like no one on KU came out with any fire whatsoever. I know KU has virtually won every game against KSU since the late 80s but with all the talking that Beasley and the KSU faithful had been doing you would think that the KU players would get up for this one. I think they get up for games against MU more than they do KSU, which might have something to do with MU having a bit more success against KU.

However KU needed to get down and put in a situation where they could learn how to play from behind. They demonstrated tonight they don't know how to do that and more than likely it will happen to them again and they need that experience for the next time. Trading baskets when you are down by 10-12 points won't get you back in the game. Forcing turnovers, defensive stops and hitting threes will. KU did none of that, and rather unexplainably didn't try hardly any threes the last couple of minutes.

Hopefully they use this as a learning experience, both the players and coaches, and next time have a different outcome.

Posted by jaybate (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Beasely is better than Arthur.
Walker is better than Rush, or Darnell.

I did not think so before the game, but I think so now.

This leaves our guards to beat KSU's guards by more than Beasley and Walker beat our bigs.

Our guards struggled against their guards.

Sutton, Stewart, and Merriewether were all 6'4". They aren't much for scorers and our guys defended them pretty well, but...they were tall enough to take away our outside shooting. Our guards got NO good looks from trifectaville. Remarkable.

Because Walker is sooooo good, and KSU's got three true twos for guards, Self was constantly being forced to choose which weakness to expose. If he moved Rush onto Walker, then KSU's three hurt us. If Rush stayed on the three then Walker hurt us. And all the while, their tall twos, were smothering our short guards outside.

Coach Self has some chalk board work to do figure out how to avoid this from happening again, when KSU visits AFH March 1st.

Posted by ku98 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Jayhawkinatl, I agree with you. Beasley and Walker were going to get their points no matter what. KSU needed someone else to step up and that Pullen kid from Chicago had the game of his young career, with career highs in points and FTM (10 for 10). As much as I hate to say it, you have to give KSU credit for doing what they did.
Let's keep this loss in perspective. It is only one loss, our first of the year, and it is a wake-up call. We'll learn from it.

Posted by FlaHawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops ... I stated "studs" and used Walker rather than Walt Wesley the Chipola, FL miracle man!

Posted by jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said, this is the worst possible thing that could happen to Colorado. Psychology is on our side.

As for K$U, they will be demolished on March 1. That is now a MUST-WIN game.

Posted by lance1jhawk (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

KSU had determenation on there side tonight and we could not match it. Bill needs to remind his team that the Kansas on the front of the jersey equals a target on the back. The streak aside. We got out played all night, we could never match their desire to win the game, and that is what scares me the most. Where is our killer instinct, where is our desire, where is the heart? KU needs someone to step up and say climb on my back and lets go places.

Posted by skwahjayog (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not worried about the 'Hawks--I think this was the perfect time to lose a game. The streak was bound to stop at some time. Now we can start a new one. I'm looking forward to the K-State game at our place--should be fun. Go 'Hawks!

Posted by BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can understand Beasley and Walker having good games. But how does KU let that midget Pullen have the game of his life!

Posted by kltbadboyz (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

damn refs worst game i've seen in a long time.

Posted by KU (anonymous) on January 30, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm upset that we lost, but I'm more upset that we played so poorly.

1) We treated Beasley as if every shot he took would count for 40 points. We ran 2 or 3 guys at him every time he touched the ball near the paint and it resulted in our defense being out of position all night. This led to easy points for KSU's other players and too many second chance baskets because we were out of position to rebound.

Why not just take Beasley 1 on 1 and take everybody else out of the game?

2) Because of our poor game plan on defense, we scrambled and gave up too many easy looks from 3. When a team hits like KSU did from 3 tonight, not many teams are going to be able to win against them. But if we had just played strong fundamental defense, we would have been in position to contest the 3s.

3) Why did we leave Collins in the game? He had a horrible floor game tonight. He forced his way into the lane with no plan to finish or dish to a guy in position to finish. Clanked a number of jump shots. Was uneffective on defense. His stat line ended up looking good because he scored a bunch of junk at the end.

4) Why didn't we just pound it low instead of settling for jump shots from the 10 minute mark of the first half until the 10 minute mark of the 2nd half? Our guards were so out of control trying to drive to the basket. How many offensive fouls and turnovers did we have trying to force dribble drives into the lane?

5) Combine KSU's great percentage from 3 and the fact that Pullen had the game of his career and it's no surprise that KU got beat. I said all week that Beasley + Walker + 1 kid having the game of his life would make it very int