Does anyone know a link to listen to the game broadcast online?

Where do you live, Bleed? If you live in Kansas or in Kansas City, you could turn your radio to the nearest Jayhawk Radio Network station. If you don't live in or near Kansas, try KCSP 610 AM online at www.610sports.com

Brandon Rush is one of my favorites because of the way he rebounds.

B Rush can shoot it pretty well too...!

RADIO -- without TV, turn on your computer. Plug in to laser.com Then hit the upper right corner to get the radio to come on your computer.

But you're right, he hits the defensive boards hard and really skies for the rebound

RADIO -- if no TV, turn on your computer Plug in to laser.com Then turn on the radio, upper right hand corner. Give it about a minute to start up/

Watch out, Doc! You don't wanna use up all your timeouts! LOL :)

Looks like Alex Maric will have to come out of the game...won't he?

Looks like 510sports will work, too. Had trouble with it once before.

What's 510Sports? Is that a typo for 610Sports?

Not that this will matter against NU, but quit missing the back end of the free throws!

1625,

Did you watch any of Memphis/Gonzaga? Horrible free throw shooting again today by the Tigers. KU not doing much better today (so far) at just 50% on 4-8 shooting.

No, I didn't see that game. I was busy studying.

At this rate, Nebraska will be lucky if they crack 15 points. They won't crack 20 at this rate.

WOW! Kansas is annihilating the Huskers 44-13. NU can't get anything going offensively, even when we leave them open!

There's the 15 points I mentioned. Alex Maric has no points so far.

Yeah, it was a typo! Sorry but my hand doesn't work right with lots of corrections. Didn't see that one!

Well, this would be a good game to get our second and maybe third team in. It's great to have our team doing well -- but surely it is time to get the other guys more experience. I doubt they could make up a 30 pt deficit no matter who was in!

why are we number two in the AP when all the press i see says we're better than memphis?

bdku...

the ratings simply dont matter. to be concerned with them shows naivete.

"LESSONS FROM OKLAHOMA"

Exhibit A- Oklahoma, 87-88...clearly the most talented team in the nation that season. Ran guys out of the gym with regularity under Billy Tubbs. They got cocky (if any of you are old enough to remember the "cabbage patch" dance). They lost focus and took joy in drubbing their opponents. They lost the national championship when clearly they had the most talent on their roster.

Learn from history, or youre doomed to repeat it. Kansas' ONLY competition is Kansas. Can we maintain focus? Can we keep up the enthusiasm? Or will hubris ruin us. The time for celebration is when we hoist a trophy, and number 1 rankings during the season are not the kind of "trophies" we want...

Keep sawin' wood

Nebraska is lousy, but this is the smoothest the KU enine has run all season. And best of all, the guys seem all business, despite the blow out.

After about 7-1/2 minutes, the Huskers have almost doubled their score. Not terribly impressed with the second half defense thus far.

ive been saying it all year...its the second half lull...

Anyone noticed that Coach K has got an emerging power at Duke riding the gun of Kyle Singler.

Good lord, imagine if Singler and James Anderson had come to KU. And it was a real possibility. Singler and Anderson are two marvelous players. I would much prefer to have had Anderson, though. He was the perfect guy to groom to replace Brandon in Bill and Eddie Ball. There's just nothing like a great player at the 3 in this style of play. Anderson is just a terrific player, even though he doesn't get much attention down in the media blackhole of Stillwater.

The free throw woes continue. We're getting away with it against Nebraska; we will NOT get away with it against K-State.

oh yes we will...

the offense is too powerful, and the defense too stalwart.

We have looked terrible this second half (especially on defense). I don't care if we're up by 30, get Case out of there.

NU has more than tripled it's first half score. That's not good. Are the Hawks already thinking about K$U?

Someone recently remarked that Kaun has remarkable speed for any big man. I've always thought of him as mobile, but this game I've have been focusing on him and it really is remarkable how often he beats ALL the other big men on both teams down the floor...and he's not running as fast as he can--he's running under control.

What's so remarkable about it is that he's not releasing before the rest of the bigs. He simply passes them on the way down the floor.

Fascinating.

Let the chants of "JUST LIKE FOOTBALL" begin!

1625, I was thinking about that earlier :)

jhwkfan1625 - you are never going to be satisfied with this team are you? We are smoking Nebraska by 30 fricking points. Is that not good enough? They are going to struggle to break 50.

Not too happy that we've only outscored NU by 1 in the second half.

Someone needs to re-hypnotize Sasha. He's lost his FT stroke again. The mechanics have deteriorated. He even hopped on that last attempt. Gads! A guy with his size and strength does not need to hop to shoot a FT. The good news is he knows now that he CAN get a stroke down. He just has to go back, like Windows, to his last backed-up mechanics that worked and resume. :-)

I do not feel extremely comfortable knowing that Tyrel Reed will be one of our primary guards next season.

Apparently Maric has been held scoreless this game.

I guess I've got Coach Self's mentality, KUglow. Never fully satisfied. ;) But don't worry, I'll go off and tease some of my Husker-fan friends about another basketball blowout.

I didn't hear any chants of JUST LIKE FOOTBALL. What's up with that?

Meanwhile, while I'm not watching this on TV, I'm guessing the talking heads on BIG 12-ESPN+ are gonna have a lot of airtime to fill between now and whatever game they'll be covering next.

Alright, let's go to Allen Fieldhouse West and dispose of Michael Beasley and the Kan$a$ $tate Mildcat$.

ESPN's Doug Bell: "Now, these Jayhawks are good. Is there anything that Kansas needs to worry about?"
ESPN's Stacey King: "Umm...well...the players getting bored."

ROCK CHALK! 20-0!

Is this OU's Stacey King of 1988 fame? Is he working for BIG 12-ESPN+ now? Sorry, but I LISTENED to the game on the radio.

20-0, now off to the little crab apple.

Same guy, 1625.

That's what I thought. Just wanted to be sure.

Wonder if he's ever forgiven KU for that upset 20 years ago.

Funny. We're go to 20-0 with Stacey King in town 20 years after upsetting his Sooners...

He was actually in the studio today with Doug Bell. I believe he sometimes does color analysis for games during the week or when Reid Gettys is in studio on Saturdays.

jhwkfan1625...stick a sock in it. These are human beings playing a team that is one of the worst in the league. Of course it is hard to stay focused. Just enjoy this team...it is one of the best KU has ever fielded. Just sit back and take it in and give everyone a break....

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Kansas Greatest teams playoffs

1 Seed- 1987-1988 Jayhawks (Brown, coach)
2 Seed- 1996-1997 Jayhawks (Williams, coach)
3 Seed- 2007-2008 Jayhawks (Self, coach)
4 Seed- 2002-2003 Jayhawks (Williams, coach)

1-4 MATCHUP:

88 ROSTER
Manning
Newton
Pritchard
Piper
Minor
Gueldner
Branch
Barry
Marshall
Harris
Livingston
Maddox
Mattox
Normore
Masucci

03 ROSTER-
Collison
Hinrich
Langford
Simien
Miles
Graves
Lee
Nash
Niang
Hawkins
Vinson
Olson
Moody

2-3 MATCHUP

97 ROSTER
LaFrentz
Pierce
Haase
Pollard
Vaughn
Thomas
Robertson
Pugh
Williams
Bradford
Nooner
McGrath
Branstrom
Ransom

08 ROSTER
Arthur
Kaun
Jackson
Aldrich
Chalmers
Collins
Rush
Robinson
Reed
Teahan
Case
Stewart
Kleinmann
Buford
Bechard
Morningstar
Witherspoon

88 vs 03

03 squad is greatly overmatched in the post. Collison, Graves, and Simien cannot contain Danny Manning even with double teams. Manning is too quick and athletic and puts up big numbers versus the newer Jayhawks. On the perimeter, the 03 squad has a slight edge with Hinrich and Miles overmatching Piper and Pritchard. The Milt Newton-Keith Langford matchup is compelling and proves to be a captivating display of athleticism. Both teams feature 3-point shooting which neutralizes the other, coming out a wash. In the end, the presence of Manning in the post tips the scales toward the 88 squad.

97 vs 08

LaFrentz versus Arthur. Advantage LaFrentz (remember, the LaFrentz in the college game was a different beast than what has been shown in the pros).

Pollard versus Jackson. Advantage Jackson.

Post reserves. Advantage 08. (see personnel above)

Vaughn versus Robinson. Advantage Vaughn...by A LOT.

Pierce versus Rush. Advantage Pierce.

Haase versus Chalmers. Advantage Chalmers...by A LOT.

Perimeter reserves. Advantage 08.

In the final analysis, this becomes a physical game with a lot of athleticism, and hence foul calls. The deeper team clearly has the advantage. Great 3 point shooting is a treat to spectators: Pierce and Thomas for the old guard and Chalmers, Rush, and Collins for the youngbloods put on a long-range bombing show! Still the 08 team loses the early battle of the game and is down a bunch in the first half, but key reserves in Kaun, Collins, et al allow the 08 squad to push the game to 40 minutes, and the 08 squad survives.

Championship game...

88 vs 08...stay tuned

The key to this game are two people...Danny Manning in a starting role for the 88 squad and Darnell Jackson for the 08 squad. For those of you too young to remember when he played, you might find it ridiculous for someone to say that Manning BY HIMSELF could not only neutralize KUs frontcourt of Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, and Aldrich, but could also tip the overall balance of the game (taking into account both the frontcourt and backcourt into account) in favor of the 88 squad. Believe me, this is true. However, one also has to take into account that sometimes the "miracles" werent always so "miraculous", and the 88 championship team did in fact lose 10 games in the season we won the national title. In essence, the stars were aligned for Kansas that year to make the March to the championship.

There is simply no comparing the backcourts of these teams. The 08 squad is too suffocating defensively, and loaded with too many weapons on the offensive end to even be compared against Piper and Pritchard, great as they were.

This game comes down to a frontcourt versus backcourt battle then, and once again...depth. In this mock scenario, this game goes to a double-overtime thriller with Manning scoring 45 points. Nevertheless, we have all seen a Bill Self-coached team take down a blue chip player with a great supporting cast (Texas last year...twice. Durant and company), and this leads me to believe the 08 team would have the edge.

Crown these Jayhawks the greatest ever. Indeed they are....

bring KSU on! let's shut down the arrogant Beasley this time! go Jayhawks!

Somewhere I heard of a movement to dress the students in orange shirts for the AFH game vs Misery U. What a great idea. How can we get this moving?

It just gauls tigger fans that they passed on Self, that we have b-ball tradition and they've never been to the Final Four, that we went to the Orange Bowl, etc.

I'm sick of the Muck Fizzou shirts. So old, so non-clever.

Orange shirts at the Missou game is very clever and rubs it in the faces of those tiggers . . . in a very creative way!

jackson is going to have beasley for dinner.

jross,

Good link and interesting comparison of KU - Memphis. The article failed, however, to mention a critical element to winning big games. Free throws! That to me is the most glaring difference and a certain advantage for KU if these two were to meet. Memphis is one of the worst free throw shooting teams in D1 BB this year (team avg 58.5%). Did you happen to see the bricks they shot vs. Gonzaga earlier today? Ugly. While KU isn't exactly lighting it up from the line (66.2% as a team) we're still shooting nearly 8% higher than Memphis and that's money when the game is on the line late. (you hear me Sasha?)

I think it also bears mentioning that w/o Dorsey on the floor, Memphis is a more vulnerable team (Gonzaga made some key runs when Dorsey was on the bench) and he's just the guy we'd want on the floor/line late. Dorsey is shooting a scorching 35.8% from the line.

Memphis is a great team no doubt and certainly deserving of their position. I'm confident however that KU is the better team.

Fun to dream of what may lie ahead...

Jross, nice "greatest KU teams" bracket. I enjoyed reading your "stories", but in my opinion, the '97 team was the best team. Unfortunately, as you well know, you have to win 6 straight, single-elimination games during March Madness, and the best team does not always win the National Championship.
Vaughn and LaFrentz did not have the NBA careers we thought they could, but I am sure you will agree that they were both great college players. Pollard and Pugh were tough inside. Billy Thomas was money from the outside (and Robertson was not too shabby either), and Pierce was the wild card.
The '97 team was one of the great teams of the 90s, and in a best of 7, best of 5, or even best of 3 series, NOBODY beats the '97 team.
Damn those Arizona Wildcats!

JRoss

I have been thinking about the greatest teams lately also.

I feel the 2001-2002 team was probably better than the 2002-2003 team because of Drew Gooden and Jeff Boschee.

I still can't seem to put the 1987-1988 team with 11 losses in the top spot despite the title.

The 1985-1986 team still ranks as arguably the best team in recent history.

1996-1997 team lacked consistent perimeter shooting from Vaughn who ended up being a liability at times during that season as defenses would sag on him because he could not shoot from outside otherwise they would have gone undefeated and won the whole thing. Vaughn is still the best penetrating guard we have ever had. Part of the perimeter problem also is when Hasse broke a bone in his wrist and basically couldn't shoot from the perimeter. But this was a great team!

My mind races when I think about the best KU teams and players of all time. I come up with new thoughts all the time.

The current team 2007-2008 is probably the most consistent defensive team we have had and I give them a better than average shot at going the distance. Most balanced team we have ever had.

If I had to pick a game coach I would pick Brown, but how fortunate are we to have Williams and Self as backups!

if you are up by 30 at half and stay focused, shouldn't you win by 60???? would love to see that against KSU

On the perimeter, the 03 squad has a slight edge with Hinrich and Miles overmatching Piper and Pritchard.
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Jross, I like your analysis and you make a lot of good points, but on TWO occasions you refer to Piper as being in the backcourt. Either you didn't see him play or your memory is failing you. Chris Piper was 6'10" and exclusively a frontcourt player. The other starting guard was Jeff Gueldner, who was a deadly outside shooter. Also, the '88 team lost 11 games, not 10. Other than those details, I like what you say, and I agree that this is the best KU team ever. Let's hope they prove it on 4/7.

actorman...

I stand corrected, you are right. I seem to remember Pipe playing a lot on the wing. One correction for YOU, though. Pipe is 6'8", not 6'10".

Why is the KU v KSU game not nationally televised? Why was the KU v. MU game not on national television?

Fair enough. I guess he just seems larger than life to me, lol.

The best theory I've heard for why the MU game wasn't televised is that ESPN is trying to put pressure on the cable companies to add ESPNU to their lineup, figuring that if enough irate fans complain that will make a difference.

But I have NO idea why the KSU game isn't on nationally. Can you IMAGINE the coverage the game would be getting if Duke had won 24 games in a row at North Carolina? Yet the great majority of the country hasn't even HEARD of the KU streak in mancrappin'.

I should say why the MU game wasn't televised NATIONALLY.

85-86 ku team would beat them all with a 3 point line. If the NCAA had the 3 line that year Ron Kellog would have been an all American and they'd have a championship banner hanging.

Can you pay to watch ku-ksu online??? Shut down Beaz!

JRoss,

Breakout post. PHOF. Posting hall of fame. Kudos.

But...

Its really tough comparing the '88 team to this or any other top team KU has had (except its other champions), because while it was one of the two greatest teams for the Madness in the history of KU basketball, it was likely not even in the top 5 or 10 best KU teams for a season, which the '52 team was also.

With all due respect, and I have a ton for you, while your comparison and analysis are wonderful and insightful as usual, it seems an apples and oranges comparison unless we define the matchup as a season game, or a tournament game. If the hypothetical competition were a season game, the '08 wins handily over the '88 team. The '08 would also fare very well against most other great regular season teams in KU history, and the its going presently, may well be the best of the regular season teams.

But in the final analysis, champions of a Madness are different than great teams for a season, even if the great seasonal teams go deep in the Madness.

Champions are not just about luck, though they always have that, nor are they just about getting hot for a short stretch, which they inevitably do. Champions are at their best when they need their best. They are money players, who cannot be beaten when its all on the line. They are a group of young men who achieve competitive greatness at the pinnacle of the season. They reach their full potential in the withering spotlight of national and local attention. They rise above the limits of the individual. They become consumate in finding ways to win against all comers. They have a good coach who is at his best when he needs his best. And when they reach their full potential in this way, they are unbeatable. Period.

Again, there is little doubt in my mind that this '08 team could handle the '88 team in a season game. Danny could not carry his '88 team on his back ten different times that season. Wilt did much better than that with much less talent around him in '57.

The '88 team was about so much more than Danny Manning, great as he was. It was in the end a discovery of how a team becomes vastly better than its best player and vastly stronger than its weakest link. It was also about how a college coach outcoaches other coaches in big games. So: I could never bet against Danny and the Miracles in a hypothetical Madness against any team that had not also won a Madness. The '08 team may have a rendezvous with this destiny--with winning the Madness, but it has yet to "do it." Hence, I am left with this: the '08 team appears to be the winner in a season game over the '88 team, but unless the '08 team actually does reach the heights of competitive greatness that the '88 team "did," I would not hesitate to give the '88 team a big edge over the '08 team in a hypothetical Madness of great KU teams. The distinction may seem like splitting hairs to some, when we are starting from hypothetical match-ups across time in the first place, but, in what is essentially an exercise in counterfactual inference in the first place (and everyone here know how I like to what if in order to learn more about the now), it seems quite important to me.

Still, what a wonderful and thought provoking exploration of the subject. Congrats.

While KU seems terrific right now, my three reservations have yet to be cancelled.

That nonsequitur at the end above was supposed to go in another post. Here are my three reservations--expanded to four--about this incredibly good '08 team.

FTs: percentage wise, they are not as bad as persons often say. But they have a terrible tendancy to miss the back end of one and ones; this is an achilles heel in big games against top teams.

Can They Stop a Great Player?: Last year's team proved it could stop Horford and Noah early and a great player in Durant late, when it counted. This team has yet to play against a great player. This is a very important test to pass, maybe the most important. Exceptional teams beat great players. Merely good ones often do not. the game against KSU is to be welcomed, because Beasely is the best player we've played against so far.

Can They Beat a Top Team: Last year's team proved it could beat a top team early, when it floored Florida. This team has not yet had the opportunity to beat a top team. And it looks like it is not going to get the chance, as the B12 appears increasingly NOT to have any top teams, where as last year it had Texas and A&M to harden KU for battle.

No True Two: Until this team plays and beats a team with a top True Two, like Afflalo on UCLA last year, it is reasonable to question whether it has the tools to do so. The current back court couldn't handle Afflalo last year when it counted. Our short guards have a year of maturity, but they're no taller. North Carolina, Memphis and UCLA will all be able to probe this weakness.

Don't worry: KU's home games against Kan$a$ $tate and Mi$$ouri will be nationally televised, both on ESPN. But no one outside of the Big 12 states wants to see crappy old Bramlage Coliseum or Mizzou Arena.

jayhawkdave,

you can watch the KU-KSU game at espn360.com. it's free.
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