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Jayhawks claim 'big' win at ISU

Kansas center Sasha Kaun muscles in a bucket over Iowa State defenders Alex Thompson and Jiri Hubalek during the first half Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2008 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa. Left is Kansas forward Darrell Arthur.

Kansas center Sasha Kaun muscles in a bucket over Iowa State defenders Alex Thompson and Jiri Hubalek during the first half Wednesday, Feb. 27, 2008 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa. Left is Kansas forward Darrell Arthur.

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2007-08 Feb. 27 KU-ISU Hoops

— Bill Self never has felt as if Kansas University's ship was sinking.

Rocking from side to side, maybe, but not headed to the bottom of the sea.

"I think when you are 24-3, you shouldn't be able to say that the ship needs righting, but our players all know that it did. We (coaches) felt that it did, too," Self, KU's coach, said after the Jayhawks' 75-64 victory over Iowa State on Wednesday night at Hilton Coliseum.

It snapped a two-game road losing streak for the Jayhawks, who suffered a disappointing one-point loss Saturday at Oklahoma State.

Did KU's 11-point victory keep KU's vessel afloat?

"I don't know if we did or not. Time will tell," Self said. "But we were a better team tonight than we were the last two or three weeks. I do think this is big. I don't think we're back to where we were. I don't think you go from playing poorly to playing great consistently. I think it is a process. This was a great start."

Self, as he made clear, wasn't ready to push the panic button entering Wednesday's game. Yet the Jayhawks had won just four of their past seven games while remaining high (No. 6) in the Associated Press poll.

"We just lost some road games. Everybody loses some road games. We're still playing pretty well," junior Brandon Rush said after hitting three threes in four tries and helping KU to its best performance percentage-wise (seven of 11 for 63.6 percent) from beyond the arc for the season.

"I don't know. I hope so," Self said, asked if the three-point shot was back in KU's arsenal. KU (25-3 overall, 10-3 Big 12) had made 14 of 56 treys for 25 percent the last four games. "We had some good possessions offensively."

Still, it wasn't an easy victory.

KU first saw a 16-point lead (36-20) dip to six (36-30) and later a 22-point lead (57-35) to nine (64-55).

Darrell Arthur, who hit nine of his season-high 18 shots for 18 points, exited a timeout and stuck a deep jumper, giving KU a 38-30 lead at 18:01. That shot started a 21-5 surge that gave the Jayhawks a 57-35 lead at 11:27.

"Coach told me to get more shots. I had the opportunity to score," said Arthur, who indicated it was "real fun" roaming inside without a team trapping him on the post for "the first time I can remember in a long time.

"The guards told me they were going to get me the ball today. Russell (Robinson, career-high 10 rebounds, five assists) and Mario said, 'Get on the block.' Coach emphasized playing inside-out," added Arthur, who did stun the Cyclones (14-14, 4-9) the from outside with that one particular jumper.

"They came out of the timeout, we defended what they tried to do, and they ended up with a 17-, 18-foot jumpshot for Darrell Arthur, and he knocks it down. To me, that was the play of the game," ISU coach Greg McDermott lamented. "Because when you come out of a timeout and the home team has all the momentum and we're able to stop their initial play and they kick it back to one of their bigs and he hits a long shot, which frankly is the shot we wanted him to take, that just changes the game. If he misses that, we come down and score after the timeout, the momentum stays with us, and it's a different ballgame.

"Granted, Darrell Arthur is a much better shooter from the perimeter than he was a year ago, but him taking that shot compared to Chalmers (Mario, 15 points, 3-for-4 three-point shooting) or Rush (15 points) or somebody on the block taking it at you, or one of the guards going at you off the dribble is probably as good as we could hope for in that situation."

KU's 22-point lead wasn't exactly safe.

ISU needed just two minutes to slice the gap in half to 11 (57-46) with 9:31. KU led by only nine (64-55) at 4:09.

That's when Chalmers knocked down a big three to up the lead back to double digits at 67-55 at 3:31.

"I think I was open. Coach says to knock down the open shots," Chalmers said. "People had been hesitant lately. The coaches said, 'Let it fly,' and I think we did that. I think it was a team effort. We had the mind-set to getting back to playing Kansas basketball today."

No doubt a major key to victory was feeding the ball to Arthur, who picked up four fouls but played 31 minutes. It's the third time all year Arthur was able to top the 30-minute mark.

"I'd been getting a lot of touch fouls," Arthur said. "Dumb fouls, reaching. I don't think I had any tonight."

He was happy the Jayhawks upped their league record to 4-3 on the road.

"The three losses hit us hard," Arthur said of defeats at Kansas State, Texas and Oklahoma State. "We tried to regroup today, and I think we did."

"We showed toughness. They made some runs, and we answered them," KU's Robinson said. "This is a tough place to play, and we came away with a win."

The Jayhawks next meet Kansas State at 8 p.m. Saturday at Allen Fieldhouse. Final home game will be another 8 p.m. game Monday versus Texas Tech.

Comments

Ben Kane 6 years, 7 months ago

I hope Mario can play like he did in the first half for the rest of the season. Arthur definitely looked determined to get more shots. Some, in the second half, didn't seem like the smartest shots but it's nice to see him demanding it. Collins was summed up best by the announcer who claimed "he is a shell of himself." Frankly, he is a turnover machine right now... ah and Brandon, were you there Brandon?

We did a great job of fighting through ball screens in the first half then seemed to get to lax on defense in the second half. Overall I think it was good regrouping game for us and hopefully will kick some tail this weekend. This could be a tough stretch coming up but hopefully we get the kick butt train rolling on Saturday and coast to the B12 tourney.

bashe24 6 years, 7 months ago

Chuck i guess i don't understand your comment........were you there brandon???? Rush had 15 points including three 3's, how can you be down on the him for that???

Arthur played what i thought was a typical arthur game.....shoot everytime he gets it.....except he hit the glass and finally got some rebounds.....its sad that someone as good as he got only his 4th double double this season.....when he wants the boy can play.....

Chalmers was very impressive to start the game.....almost as if he were mad or something.....i was really happy to see him playing with the emotion that he did....plus this guy has ice water in his veins......

I would like to see us as a team learn to step on the opponents throat.....i mean we were up by 22 at one point and let them claw there way back to making it a single digit game......we need to have that killer instinct and put teams away for good.....break their backs and their spirits.....

All in all i would say it is a good bounce back game....but lets not forget it's IOWA STATE.......the real bounce back game is saturday.....

Also i hope Bill Self doesn't have a heartattack.....that guy gets WILDLY upset sometimes and it worries me.....

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cincyHawk79 6 years, 7 months ago

Happy about the win but we don't get better playing less people. I feel bad for Tyrel. Self keeps amazing me with his Team concept.

Tyrel could have played better than Robinson in stretches and is more of an offensive threat. If he is not playing because of defense that's a shocker. Our guards can't stop penetration and lazy in guarding the high screen.

If we play like this on defense against KSU we will get beat Saturday. Again KSU will rain 3's at will and if they make a good percentage we are done.

Notice how other teams guard outside the line better. ISU had plenty of room to catch and shoot with no pressure. Our guys have someone right in front of them and makes it more difficult to shoot.

Ben Kane 6 years, 7 months ago

Bashe24, Brandon scored points but he generally does that and usually very quietly. He was very un-aggressive and if I recall barely did anything in the first half. He needs to be more than someone who can sink some open threes when left alone by the defense. I'd like to see him develop a little more 'slash' into his game which we have seen from him a little bit in the past.
Arthur is clearly someone we need in there and not in foul trouble but for me the most exciting performance was Mario in the first half. As far as I'm concerned this is his team and I think he set the tone for this game and hopefully will continue to do that in the future. ISU didn't pressure our guards as much as teams have in our losses so it still remains to be seen if our offense can function when people have guys in their faces.

jayloco 6 years, 7 months ago

A lot of good points. I think we all need to accept Brandon's night last night as a "good, solid" night. This is what he brings to the table. 15-20 points scoring, solid defense and a quite demeanor. I thought it was pretty insightful when the announcers were talking about Rush. One said, "Have you ever seen a non-verbal guy become the vocal leader of a team?" The other announcer said, "No, I have never seen that happen." I guess what I got from it was that BR will NEVER be a vocal leader. He will basically lead by example. We need to accept that as his way and quit getting frustrated when he disappears. I just hope he doesn't disappear at the wrong times.

I agree that ISU had far too many good looks from 3. This is concerning and will be a factor vs. KSU. If a team gets hot or is hot from 3 on a given night vs. KU, we are subject to a loss. This is the case against any team, but more so against us since we have issues with guarding at the top of the circle.

DA had a great game. I am not so sure I agree that he shoots every time he touches the ball. The main issue for him is staying out of foul trouble. Look at all his big games this year and you will notice he wasn't in foul trouble and played a lot of minutes in each and every one of those games.

I vote that Mario become the leader of this squad. He has the scoring ability, defensive ability and vocal leadership this team needs. Plus, as someone already stated, he is ICE at the end of a game. He wants the shot. Let's make him the go to guy.

bashe24 6 years, 7 months ago

Chuck......in this offense Rush hangs out by the perimeter all the time.....he drove a couple times last night.....i hear what you are saying though.....the man can go on a spurt where he completely takes basketball games OVER.......i would like to see him play at the level he is capable of all game......also i hate that floater he shoots i don't think i have seen him make it all year.....turn it into a runner Brandon please........funniest part of the game by far.....kauns little baby hook that he spiked off the backboard....nice shot kaun......perimeter defense kills us.....Robinson will pick you up 94 feet away.....but lets you drive right by when you get there......i am just being critical for no reason really.....we are going to win the national championship......20th year in a row i have been saying that though,.....

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truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

If Brandon Rush is going to lead by example, then why every time there is a loose ball, he NEVER dives for it. I could accept his 15 -20 pts a game if he were a 6-1 guard. But he is 6 frickin 6. He could get 5-10 more points a game by being aggressive and getting to the freethrow line. I am going to have to accept the fact that he is soft, and hates any kind of contact. He just wants to bounce around the 3 pt line, and look pretty. Just my opinion, but I can't stand pretty basketball. That is NOT KU basketball. I admit, I am being very hard on him, but with all the hype surrounding him, he has not produced even close to his potential. Also remember, his age is that of most college SENIORS. I just wish Self would stop babying his ass, and piss him off. Maybe not start him if he is not aggressive in practice, or sit him the rest of the game if he is not being aggressive. I would take another loss if we taught him a lesson and made him mad. Again, sorry if I am hard on him, but I am tired of watching other teams NBA prospects produce, and our "NBA STAR" be soft and afraid. Are we really going to start accepting mediocrity? I, for one, refuse to.

Matt Kenton 6 years, 7 months ago

We won last night because our individual players are more talented and yes, they were motivated after losing their last 2 on the road.

Granted it was in Ames, but I still don't think scoring 75 (mainly due to superior talent) on a team that is now 14-14 is playing at a high enough level to win the National Title.

I've said before, the last 5 NCAA Champs averaged 78.8 or better in the tournament. I still don't think we're playing at that level yet.

Maybe we can break the trend and win scoring in the 60-70s range, but I'd still feel better if we could rely on our offense to score in the 70-80s range, even when things aren't going right.

bashe24 6 years, 7 months ago

wait a second true hawk fan......your actually going to sit here and say DON'T start Brandon Rush......just light a fire under him??? that is honestly one of the most absurd things i have ever heard......mediocrity???? sorry but Self has everyone on this team buying into his "team first" attitude.......we have to be the most balanced team in the nation for sure......if you want to rush to be more aggressive perhaps you should rag on arthur and how the guy shoots 90% of the time no matter the situation......about how he is one step inside the 3 point line and firing up shots.......and everyone on here knows that rush is going to need another season at the college level.....the question is will he take it or leave it......worked out good for Julian huh???........

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nocaljayhawk 6 years, 7 months ago

A better effort, to be sure--more focus, more determination. What still concerns me, though, are the stretches where KU does not score, thus allowing a team to significantly cut into a large lead...in last nite's game, KU had three stretches of 3+ minutes without scoring, including a 4+ min stretch in the second half when things were looking hairy before Mario's three. In close (read: tournament) games, those stretches are the difference between winning and going home, and with guys like Mario, BRush, Shady, and D-Jax, it seems to me like it shouldn't be such a problem.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow!!, OK, where do I start. Ummmm..

First off, if you know anything about playing basketball, you know that if you play scared and timid, that is when you get hurt. Secondly, Rush did not come back for his team. He came back because he knew that his knee injury would keep him from the first round and he became a risk for teams to gamble on. He did not put the time in for KU, he put the time in so his NBA stock would not fall even further. If he is that worried about his knee, then he should not be playing in the first place. The more you worry about it, the better chance you have of it getting hurt again. If you think diving for a loose ball, or making hustle plays is a silly show, then you obviously have never played basketball. If you did, you were one of those pretty boys who like hanging out at the 3 point line. I like that Rush brings an outside threat to the table, but you said he drives the lane to score? He has missed more floaters than 3's. He is 6'6" and can jump out of the gym and refuses to take it hard to the rack FOR HIS TEAM. He is not even close to a team player. He wouldn't sell out for any of those guys on that team. He is an inconsistant rebounder, so don't even try that one.

And lastly, the "steadiness" you speak of ? I don't see that at all. Did you watch the OSU game, or the last second shot of the first half last night? He is scared to take that last shot, so everyone panics when he does have it. Sorry man, I just don't agree with you.

okjhok 6 years, 7 months ago

If you haven't figured out what type of player Brandon Rush is by now, you haven't been watching this team play much. By now it's obvious that he is not a "fire" guy. All players are motivated differently. Benching Rush will not motivate him. And no, he's not a dive-on-the-floor type either. Not all players are. He's a finesse player. Accept it. He's 6'6" and 210, although 210 is probably generous. He's not going to bang with anybody. He doesn't have the body to do it. He will jump over you though. IMO, people should accept for BR for what he is, a 6'6" shooter with touch, hops, above average defense, and holes in his offensive game.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

OK, after reading that last post, maybe I am being too hard on him. I am just pissed at the fact we do have one the most talented players in the country (I truly believe that) but he fails to show it. His unselfishness is turning into selfishness. He has the ability to take over the game, and it is selfish that he doesn't. Please forgive my rant. I don't mean to sound hateful. I really don't. I just think we need him to be that player in order to win the NC. Again forgive me, i just really want to see these guys win.

jayhawks4life 6 years, 7 months ago

I am sick of everyone trying to blow smoke up their butt and call it sunshine! we are nowhere near where we need/ought to be as a team. Does anyone realize that there was talk of Brandon going to the league after high school! That is how good he was! if he went to the nba now he would not even make the scout team. As stated in an earlier comment, I am ready for the Hawks to show that killer instinct. And quite frankly that has to start with the man in the coat and tie on the bench. I have seen him be angry and more verbal recently, but he needs to get into the huddle with his boys and say " i want you to treat our opponents like the guys who killed darnell's cousin and rod's brother. that might strike some people as an aweful thing to say but I want to see some emotion. When darnell beats his chest i want him to let out a "barbarick yawp" as well the rest of the team included for that matter. where is the passion that should be associated with the home of Basketball for cryin out loud. We have so much potential it is not even funny. I am so sick of seing these types of teams losing games in the tourney because of poor defense, missed free throws, and no sense of urgency! (granted all results of roy williams' teams). Let's put an end to that fad this year and show them why KU doesn't have a player of the year contender. Because we are so balanced, so unselfish, and they're all SO DANG GOOD!

KU 6 years, 7 months ago

I thought we played very well the first half.

We didn't learn anything or progress. Come on, we beat a cellar-dweller. ISU is 4-9 in the conference. Their only high caliber player went off on us offensively.

We showed once again we can't keep our foot on somebody's throat when we get a lead. Our non-conference schedule is to blame for this, in my opinion. We played cupcakes where we would get up big in the first half and then coast the 2nd half. I said the whole time that we were training ourselves to be a first-half basketball team. You have to train your mind and body to play hard both halves regardless of the competition.

I wouldn't get too excited about Shady's night. ISU has no quality big men. If he can't score 25 on that pathetic lineup it's nothing to write home about. Please! He was guarded for quite a while by a 6'7 WING player (Johnson). Beasley scored 33 on ISU. When another team has a quality post player, Shady disappears, whether it's on the bench or in the game.

TtownHawk 6 years, 7 months ago

c'mon KU. i realize the are one of the worse teams in the league, but its tough to play up there and as evidence from our recent struggles. it is hard to win on the road in Big 12 play. yeah we shoulda won by 20 and held onto that lead. but when they did make a run, we held ground and never really let them get back into the game.

i was encouraged by our 3 point shooting, we definitely have been lacking in that the past few games. i do hope the ship is righted and we can get this thing going again down the stretch and into the tourney.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

The comment about accepting BR as a 6'6" guy with touch is crap. jayhawks4life already brought it up. He was going to the NBA right out of high school. HE WAS THAT GOOD. I cannot accept the fact that we have a very talented, NBA bound, swing man, that is producing mediocre numbers.

"IMO, people should accept for BR for what he is, a 6'6" shooter with touch, hops, above average defense, and holes in his offensive game." I cannot accept this. He is better than this. He has shown that he has more ability than this. If you believe that this is the player he is, then don't sit there and tell me this team is fine, and we will still go deep in the tournament.

jayhawkinATL 6 years, 7 months ago

...of course, have a Beasley on your team CAN'T help your stock!!!!

okjhok 6 years, 7 months ago

jayhawks4life... There was also talk of Micah Downs going to the league after high school. BR was never ready for the NBA. The athleticism has always been there and the defense is solid, but his offensive game is not complete. You can fault him for not developing enough over the last three years, but don't expect him to flip a switch and be able to cross someone over and dunk on their head 'cause he's not that guy.

BrockIII 6 years, 7 months ago

It looked to me like Self got through to these guys since the O State debacle, though this was Iowa State. We abandoned for the most part (at least in the first half) our lazy predictable offensive sets of our bigs setting a pick on the ball 30 feet from the goal and then cutting to the basket or the guards running a weave at the top of the key, which both produce little. We set picks AWAY from the ball and there was movement away from the ball in this game which is something we NEVER do - this was encouraging. Aside from the list of weaknesses this team has, i.e. perimeter defense, rebounding, fouls,etc., I think the offense has to improve. We tend to run an NBA style offense - NO movement, standing around. And we don't have guards that excel at ballhandling and creating, we have shooters. Rush and Chalmers should be coming around curls one after another freeing them up for shots. Jackson should pick off Arthur's man, freeing Arthur up for 10 foot shots. The bigs need more touches and need to pass out of the post to guards who are cutting. Basketball IQ and creativity must improve. These guys have played together for 3-4 years. At times they look like they just took the court together for the first time.

okjhok 6 years, 7 months ago

truehawkfan... You can't accept that Rush isn't as good as you want him to be? It looks to me like you're basing your whole argument on Rush being NBA talent when he was in high school. Well, I can't accept that as a solid take. You want to call my comments crap? I wouldn't put it that way, but that's fine, you're obliged to do so. However, you should support your position a little better before denigrating someone else.

justanotherfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Last nights performance was solid. Not great, just solid. The thing that was really missing last night was a signature play. We basically just beat them because we are better. We didn't beat them because we bullied them around or tore their hearts out or punched them in the face repeatedly until they wilted. No, we beat them because we are better and they didn't have enough punch to win, Hilton Magic or not.

Several times last night our bigs had opportunities to throw in a power dunk. I can't remember a single dunk last night by a big guy. Sasha had a chance when he got a nice feed as a trailer and split the D. He laid it in off the window. DA had a chance when Mario hit him with the gorgeous feed after the pick and roll. Kissed it off the glass. DBlock had a chance after he completely undressed his man with a spin move. Dropped it gently over the rim. All two points for sure, but not an in your face, get out of my way cuz I'm coming through two points. That's what kept the game close. There was never a "wow" play that let Iowa State know the game was over. Every time they made a run, we hit a three to keep them at bay, but jump shots are just jabs. Dunks are the haymakers that put teams on the canvas for good. Last night we jabbed them for ten rounds and won a unanimous decision. We should have knocked them out in the third.

caddie733 6 years, 7 months ago

truehawkfan...it kills me as well to see Rush not be more aggressive, but you can't blame him or anyone else. He doesn't owe you a damn thing. You can say he owes us because we are fans, but in the end, he doesn't. He doesn't have to play hard for you or me just because we want KU to win. It's unfortunate to see a player with talent waste it, but getting angry at him or anything else won't do anything. You have to accept Rush for what he is, he doesn't give a crap what you think. He just wants to protect his knee, make sure he gets his guaranteed first round contract, and get the hell out of here. Maybe we should be blaming our coaches for recruiting a kid with no heart, while a kid like Reed who would die for KU rots on the bench.

bykcin 6 years, 7 months ago

Yea, this 75 offensive outburst was "big." How do you only force 8 turnovers against Iowa State? Don't be fooled and think the ship has righted, there is still plenty wrong right now. If we play like this in the tourney, the Sweet Sixteen would be a success

Matt Kenton 6 years, 7 months ago

There were a few times last night, where I liked what I saw on offense. Two that come to mind...

One was early on, when Rush came around the right side on the perimeter through two screens. The second one wasn't needed but it was nice to see the play run effectively. Rush took the pass and immediately turned and nailed a three. He knew he was to shoot and everyone else on the floor did too.

The second time was on an inbounds play in the second half. It went to Chalmers and we scored... as a direct result of the play.

These were nice, and it was good to see them work against an inferior team. If we can tighten up the offense (run it effectively against a tough D) and be able to pull a few more of these out of our hat in crucial game situations, we'll be in good shape.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

You guys are right. I apologized for being hard on him. He doesn't owe us anything. I was venting my frustrations, and while doing that, I may have put some of you down. I am sorry for that. I typed before I thought. Caddie733 put it in perspective that my anger SHOULD be at the coaches for letting this go on. Self has babied him and let him just play the way he wants instead of developing him into the player we all want him to be. If we want this team to go far in the tournament, even the high paid sports analysts have said, that it depends on how far Brandon Rush will allow us to go. I really believe that. He needs to step up his intensity and his teammates need to demand that he steps up so we can get out of this funk and play like a top caliber team.

d_prowess 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree with everyone that says Rush is not aggressive enough to the basket, but I would rather see him with the ball at the end of the game headed to the basket than Mario (we did it again at the end of the half).
When Mario drives the lane, it collapses and he is forced to pass (sometimes blindly) to someone on the wing. But last night, the couple times Rush actually did drive the lane, he is tall enough and can jump high enough to still shoot the ball over those collapsing on him. The shots looked good and he has the touch to make them usually. I wish we could see this more at the end of the game than forcing Mario to do something that I don't think he can do effectively. Not to mention, by making it a "set play", we would force Rush to drive instead of having him settle outside the line within the offensive flow.

CasperCorps 6 years, 7 months ago

I wish Mario would take the lead and be the go to guy. If he took the majority of the shots he'd be twenty points a night guy. Rush needs to stick to spot up shooting and give up on dribbling around and shooting it. They won but looked bored or sluggish at times, their goal should be to get the scrubs playing time.

Royaljayhwk 6 years, 7 months ago

Truehawkfan, it's rather evident that you have never had knee surgery. I have. It was three years ago last week and it's very mental. I was off of my leg for 8 weeks and still, to this day, I cringe every morning when I get out of bed. You don't have faith or trust in your knee and that is a crazy feeling. There is no way to describe it. And when you are playing, it's always in your head. You feel something pop or feel funny, you automatically think of it. It's not fun. I played a year of college ball after my surgery and it's not an easy thing to do. What he does night in and night out is rather impressive for someone to go through and perform at the level he does.

tashe2 6 years, 7 months ago

First and foremost, I just want to say THANK GOD WE FINALLY WON ON THE ROAD!!

Secondly, I am reading all this bad stuff about Brandon Rush. That is completely insane, who cares if rush scores quietly or any other way. I wish he would score 50 a night quietly. I will take a 15 point outing for him anytime though, quietly or not. He was 3-4 from behind the arc, we can't ask for much more than that! I agree with the fact Rush should be more aggressive, but if that isnt his game right now then I'm glad he is contributing somewhere.

Mario Chalmers had a fantastic night from every aspect, he is making his was into the NBA draft no doubt if he can come back and have a solid year next year.

I read Tyrell Reed would have been better playing then Russell Robinson, that is stupid. Rus Rob had 10 bounds, 6 assists to go along with I think 5 points? Not to mention the fact that he plays insanely good defense.

Darnell Jackson contributed well I thought, you could tell he wasn't all the way into the game though. The guy is playing with a heavy heart. He has some bad luck!! He is going to be phenomenal come tournament time though.

I know im going to catch sht over this but, Darrell Arthur is more of a cancer to our team than anything. Yeah, he scored 18 points and had 10 rebounds. The guy was 9-18 from the field, a couple of shots were about an inch inside the 3 point line and he only had 2 assists(which he only averages 0.7 assists per game). The dude took 18 shots, the next best last night was Rush who took 10. I seen on one play, Rush passed off to Arthur, got open for 3 and Arthur pulled up from honestly 1 inch inside the 3 point line and ofcoarse he bricked the sht out of it. On a couple of possesions straight, we brought the ball down passed to arthur, he didn't even look for the open guy and the shot went up. I can't wait til he goes pro. Our team will be alot more sound without his ball hogging ass. For everyone who thinks Darrell Arthur is the best player on the team, go look at his stats. Ya, he averages the most points on the team, he also averages the most shots taken on the team and average the lowest assists per game on the team. so all in all. Darrell Arthur is a cancer to our team. Brandon Rush is the nucleus, and Russell Robinson, Mario Chalmers, Darnell Jackson, Sasha Kaun are the glue.

On a side note,

National Champions 2008

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Royaljayhwk, you are right. I have never had knee surgery. After I ate lunch, I had some time to think about what I was trying to say. I am sure that he does not trust his knee. I should be more sympathetic to that. I am and have said that his recovery was very impressive. I am expecting too much too early. I am on crutches right now and only have been for a week, and I forgot for a second what I had learned in a short week. I don't even trust my leg to do anything, and I remembered what I took for granted before I had to go on crutches. Maybe that is where some of my frustration comes from. I took everything I did on my leg for granted. I sometimes forget how serious of a surgery Brandon went through. I am not wanting him to do anything that will harm him. I just want him to take over at times. He has shown since his surgery that he can. I would just like to see a more consistent aggressive Rush. I know during a game, a player like that must pick and choose his times, but at least pick a time in every game. Even if it is for 2 minutes.

bashe24 6 years, 7 months ago

ummmm........wow ok im not going to touch the whole thing but that last post was nonsense.......arthur is not the cancer of our team......granted i don't necessarily want him jacking up threes but i will take the big man shooting 50% from the field any night......especially if he is going to take 18 shots......and lets all be honest about it.......its called the OFFENSE.....whether we like it or not....Self wants to establish the inside game and go there early and often.....and everyone including shady probably realizes that when he gets it he probably has a green light to shoot....if he didn't self wouldn't let him just continually shoot like that......he had a monster game......about the assist situation......that's not his role his role is to score points and get rebounds which he did a hell of a job of last night......it would be nice if he would do that every night.......

On a team with Robinson, Chalmers, Rush, Collins.....i would say it is a fair statement to say that he doesn't have to worry about assists.....he has to worry about taking the assists from them and turning them into points......i in no way shape or form can relate to your point that he is a cancer.........NONE........

9-18 50% 10 Rebounds Shady baby i will take it any day

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truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Maybe I have not had a strong argument about Rush, but as good of a shooter as he is, why are we not setting more screens for him to get open shots, instead of relying on the pick and roll and making him dribble? He has one of the best shots on the team, and I just think we need to go through him and allow him to be more aggressive. We have been trying to go through DA, and he just has not proved to me that he is a true scorer like Rush. This is why I post on these message boards to get others opinions about my own opinion. Sometimes I don't see things real clear, but once I hear others opinions, I can gain more perspective. You guys have helped open my eyes to see things differently. I completely agree that Brandon is the nucleus, so why aren't we doing more to get him going. The more I think about it, maybe it is not Brandon's fault at all that he is not more aggressive. Maybe the coaches have not done a good job of coaching to a players strengths and weaknesses?

bashe24 6 years, 7 months ago

True hawk i like that.......the facts are these......Rush passes ALOT of shots up.....he is so unselfish it pisses all of us off.....i like that to a point......but the man needs to start taking the F over.......watch when they play he passes alot of shot up......and there is nothing anyone can do about us going thru DA its going to be like that so we need to stop whining about it and go on........

Everyone on here....we are so critical and for what???? we have only lost 3 games.......we are in great shape......the guys are just complacent right now...come tournament time the experience factor will take over and we will be good to go........

On a side note i want some of CAROLINA for the TITLE I PRAY......

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niemoth 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm sure everyone here saw the OSU game last weekend. I could have sworn Rush put back a missed layup toward the end of the first half and cut the defecit to two. No points were put on the scoreboard and it showed he had none at halftime. Was there a foul or something before he had the put-back? Thanks

Royaljayhwk 6 years, 7 months ago

That's a tough call truehawk. All we can do is guess since none of us are involved in the day to day process. Something crazy is going on though because with the talent they have, they must be bored. You'd think they could just turn it on! Maybe they are bored. They probably couldn't care any less about the conference right now. They have won it now 3 years in a row. Maybe they just want to get to the big hardware and redeem themselves.........?

tashe2 6 years, 7 months ago

Ok, your right Shady shot 50% but what if he would of make 13-18 shots, which he should be able to do every night. I think I could go out there and score 18 points, If I shot the ball everytime I touched it. Bottom line, Darrell Arthur will not lead us to a National Championship. To consitently inconsitent. Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers, Darnell Jackson, Sherron Collins, Russell Robinson and Darrell Arthur all together will win us a National Championship!!!

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

That is a good point. I know when players have a goal, they tend to not necessarily look past the regular season, but just try to get through it. If you are right, then we will see the team we thought we had come tournament time. Let's hope and pray you are right.

okjhok 6 years, 7 months ago

I think you're on to something there. Fact is, KU isn't the type of program that will highlight a player, simply because the talent across the board is high. It can be said that BR should be the focal point, but it won't happen under Coach Self's high/low or pick-n-roll schemes. I was pulling my hair out during the OSU game when none of their bigs was taller than 6'7" and all we kept doing was pulling our bigs out to set a ball screen, when what should have been happening was cramming down their throats all day with Sasha, Danell, whoever. Mid-game adjustsments don't appear to be Coach Self's strongpoint.

tashe2 6 years, 7 months ago

I can think of one reason were so critical about the jayhawks. I dont know if you seen or not. We got out played in every aspect of the game of basketball by Oklahoma State. 6-7 in the big 12? Might be one reason!!

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't blame that on Self, I blame that on his assistants. He does what he can during a game. At some point, our assistant coaches are going to have to step up and offer suggestions. I understand Danny not saying much, since it is his first year as an assistant, but our other assistants have to offer more suggestions and keep pestering Self instead of just sitting there. I was always taught a good head coach is only as good as his assistants during a game.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

We are not in practice everyday so we don't know what goes on behind closed doors. If Self does not think Reed is ready, then he probably isn't. I just don't think he has the bench players to sit the starters out. We are about 8 deep, and that is pretty good for a college team. You don't want to go more than 8 deep. Collins is following the entire teams problem, but after some pretty good posts, and points, I truly want to believe these players are just trying to get through the regular season because they are so ready for the tournament. Again, hoping and praying.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Sitting here and thinking of who I would start and play just watching games, not taking practice into account, I could not come up with anything different than what is already happening. I like our rotation, I like what we have, I don't think we are not playing someone who should be playing. Reed must not be ready, so we have to go with that. I personally don't think he is even close to ready to compete like that night in and night out. The only thing I may do different, might be to start Collins over Robinson, but Robinson is the Senior, and you do have to give him a shot at starting, and he hasn't done anything to get him pulled from the lineup. As much as I love Rod, he just can't produce on the offensive end, which is where most of our troubles lie. I like that Aldrich is getting spot minutes, because he can help come tournament time with as many fouls as our bigs get. I just don't see where I would do anything different. I had said before that maybe we should sit Rush, but he does so many things that you really can't. i have changed my mind on that. There is no one you can put in for him that would draw as much attention as he does, and you lose a lot of length on defense.

Bill Kackley 6 years, 7 months ago

You negative guys make me sick. I don't think half of you ever played basketball. You just like to sit and bitch. This is a very good team. The best in the country?. Probably not. The best in the big 12? I doubt it. But they are our team no matter what. Constructive criticism is fine but I sure am glad the players don't read the garbage printed here. SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!

Royaljayhwk 6 years, 7 months ago

Hey everyone, look, flipboarder has a friend in kackley. They both live in fairy tale land and ignore when there is issues. Must be better fans than us because they don't see anything wrong. I better you are a better American than all of us too because you probably think 9/11 didn't happen right?

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

I already I admitted that I was wrong on my points. Most of the guys posting here are pretty damn smart basketball people, and we care quite a bit about this team, or we wouldn't waste our time on these message boards. Don't come on here and claim we don't support our team. We see problems, we talk about them. I shouldn't even waste my time acknowledging your comment.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

Good one. Maybe they sit together and inhale the same smoke singing songs of peace and happiness, and how everything is a conspiracy, and how the man is keeping them down. I guess everyone just needs to come on here and say how good we are, and we don't care if they win, as long as they are having fun. YEAH, EVERYTHING IS GREAT!

Bill Kackley 6 years, 7 months ago

No one said everything is great yes there are problems but there are a lot more positive things going on with this program than negative and almost all the comments are negative. You blow your own smoke truehawkfan. A true fan acknowleges the problems but doesn't harp on them. I hope BR reads your comments and takes his millions. Is he ready for the NBA no but he doesn't need your scurly abuse either. If any of you have ever coached you would know that a coach goes with those that he trusts and that it takes time to earn that trust. I also would like to see Reed get more playing time but as I said trust has to be earned and although he hasn't had a lot of game time, what I have seen has been disappointing.

truehawkfan 6 years, 7 months ago

I am sorry we hurt your feelings kackley. If you read my comments, then you would realize that I admitted I was wrong. No one is harping on negatives, its just the same negatives keep showing up every time we play poorly. I am sticking up for these guys on this post because they helped me see things differently. I really did not see anything on here that would disappoint me as a fan. A coach will also coach to his players strengths. Do you really think that is happening?

Bill Kackley 6 years, 7 months ago

Right or wrong any coach will play who he has confidence in. If Self had that confidence in Reed, he would be playing more. I, also from what I've seen in games, would like to see him play more. When he has the coach's confidence he will play more.

justanotherfan 6 years, 7 months ago

As they say, the most popular player on a struggling football team is the backup quarterback.

architect 6 years, 7 months ago

Self's ability to recruit seems to exceed his ability to coach. Elite 8 is his best at all stops along the yellow brick road. Not complaining, just commenting. Time will tell. Larry Brown had two final fours and one championship in five years.

AMF.

tashe2 6 years, 7 months ago

JUST ANOTHER FAN:

I in no way think we are "struggling"

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