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Monday, February 25, 2008

Keegan

A cure for KU’s ails

Three steps to the Final Four

By Tom Keegan

The Kansas bench watches during the final moments of Saturday's 61-60 loss to Oklahoma State.

Photo by Nick Krug

The Kansas bench watches during the final moments of Saturday's 61-60 loss to Oklahoma State.

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Jayhawks fall to OSU after emotional week

Saturday afternoon, the Kansas men's basketball team tried to remain focused for Oklahoma State - after tragedy struck the Kansas family earlier in the week.

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Darrell Arthur, left, puts up a shot over Oklahoma State's Marcus Dove in the Jayhawks' 61-60 loss. Arthur played just 17 minutes in the setback Saturday in Stillwater, Okla. The more time the foul-prone Arthur spends on the court, the better it is for the Jayhawks.

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Kansas coach Bill Self directs the Jayhawks during the second half of the OSU loss. An acknowledged master of man-to-man defense, Self might considering implementing a zone every now and then.

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Sherron Collins leads a fast break against Baylor in this file photo. A healthy Collins would do wonders for the Jayhawks.

Watching Kansas University lose to Oklahoma State in Stillwater, then driving back to Lawrence to watch a DVR replay of Tennessee defeating Memphis, remaining bullish on KU's chances of reaching the Final Four became more difficult than at any time since witnessing the missed layups against UCLA in San Jose.

Still, it's far too early to make plans that don't involve a trip to San Antonio for the first weekend of April, just in case.

Recent developments - a 4-3 record in the last seven, a 3-3 Big 12 road mark - notwithstanding, this team still has the makings of one that can make a run into April, provided a few disturbing trends vanish.

If Kansas can follow this three-step recovery program, which includes getting a break beyond the control of the coaching staff and players, putting scissors to nylon remains in play.

Step I

Darrell Arthur needs to play 30 minutes a game, which, of course, means he needs to find a way to play defense with his feet and not his fouling arms. Too many of Arthur's fouls are of the silly variety, too far from the hoop. Arthur averages 23.1 minutes and 13.5 points per game. If he played 30 minutes a game and scored at the same rate, he would average 17.5 ppg. Chances are, increased playing time would result in an increased scoring rate because the goal of every possession would become getting the ball to Arthur in a position to score. It's more difficult to develop that offensive identity when Arthur can't stay on the floor.

One common statistic in the losses at Kansas State and Oklahoma State: Arthur played 17 minutes.

Step II

Dust off that 3-2 zone that worked so well in December 2006 against Boston College and use it when a point guard such as Oklahoma State's Byron Eaton has his way.

Regardless of whether such a defense is actually more difficult to penetrate, point guards think it is, and since perception is nine-tenths reality, it's worth using. Having a 2-3 zone, such as the one Nebraska used against Kansas State's Michael Beasley last week, would come in handy as well.

It's more difficult to generate intensity out of a zone than a man-to-man, and it's also more difficult to rebound out of it and force turnovers, but there are advantages, as well. For one, many teams don't like to face one. For another, in theory at least, it could help Arthur stay out of foul trouble.

Bill Self is a man-to-man coach and considered among the best in the nation at teaching it. Obviously, man-to-man will remain the defense Kansas plays the vast majority of the time, but it's nice to have options for long stretches of games not going well.

Step III

Here's where luck comes into play. If Sherron Collins' legs return to full strength, Kansas immediately becomes more difficult to guard. He breaks down defenses in a way nobody else on the roster does, which leads to easier shots for everyone. He finishes better than any of KU's other guards, and he picks up the tempo in a way nobody else can. Collins' quickness, when healthy, suggests he should be a better on-ball defender. Meeting that expectation, if healthy, rests squarely on his shoulders.

If Steps I and III can be achieved, KU wouldn't become less reliant on three-point accuracy. In its 24 victories, Kansas shot .385, and shot .267 in its three losses.

Step IV

Final Four, reachable if the first three steps are scaled.

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Comments

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

I agree quite a bit with the points put forth in this article (decent work today Keegs), to the largest extent because it mentioned zone (both 3-2 and 2-3) as backup options to stop exceptional play and not in place of man to man. I'm a strong believer in man to man being the paramount defense when played aggressively and smart; however, that clearly involves our guards stepping up, moving their feet, and removing the penetration. If that cannot be corrected, I'm all for moving to an alternative to, if nothing else, change what's being dictated to us. If 3-2 can stop penetration from a guard heavy team, then give it a shot. Clearly, though, Russ, Chalmers, Collins need to step it up defensively.

I also understand the points made in respect to Collins and, therefore, the lack of need for the 3 point shot, but I simply believe that, regardless, we need to execute better as a a three point threat. That, seemingly, opens up the whole game (and Arthur can contribute to a far greater degree). There are some very good shooters on this team; why the shots aren't falling, I cannot say. But if we want to contend on the national level, simply put, those shots need to fall.

February 25, 2008 at 3:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

cincyHawk79 (anonymous) says...

Our #1 seed is gone so rest Collins and play Reed and Tehan for more outside shooting. These two can help us from the outside and help open things up for Arthur and Kaun.

Stewart is no offensive threat either.

Self - Create a more creative offensive.

February 25, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Brock (anonymous) says...

An important step to consider: Install an offense. It's late February, for crying out loud!

February 25, 2008 at 6:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

slantrox (anonymous) says...

Our guards in all three losses forgot how to stop and pop from 12 feet in the lane rather then take it all the way to the basket...just to miss or get it blocked! Short jumpers fellas! The world isn't all about 3's and spectacular driving layups!

Also, learn to shut somebody down! Why does somebody ALWAYS have a "carreer day" against ku.

take some pride and shut them down!

February 25, 2008 at 6:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

Step 4, which should be STEP 1!!!!!!!!!!! Dictate Tempo Coach Self!! Quit allowing other teams to control the possessions and the shot clock. 60 Freaking points against Okie St. Give me a break! Obviously our team is struggling offensiviely, but quit trying to walk the ball up the court, running offensive sets every possiession and expect them to get out to of this funk. Bill Self, I have a question for you. Why is it everytime KU is in a ball game where we are shooting poorly, playing poorly, and down double digits somewhere in the middle of the second half do we then decide to put in this full court press to speed up the other team (Not that stupid full court man to man token crap). Everytime we do that full court blitz press we always make a come back, but then come up short. Bill Self did not institute anything like that until about the 7:00 minute mark in the second half. Bill, why not start out the game with it, the second half, 16 minutes in the second half, etc, etc.? You know, I hope this is a positive for this team because right now I know there is a lot of adversity going on with this team that the rest of the country doesn't understand. Every great Jayhawk team in the past has always found a way to overcome adversity and make it to the Final Four. This team needs a spark and needs to play with some fire!!!!! Come on guys, for a lot you this is your last go around. You have 4 conference and hopefully 3 tournament games left before the big dance. 7 games can get you out of this funk. Play like it's your last shot to ever play. dictate tempo coach self!!!!!!

February 25, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

There has been posters who keep blaming our defense on our awful record the last seven games and that's just not the case. I mean, we spotted Okie St 61 points. That's pretty impressive to me. As I mentioned above our offense is struggling hardcore, but in order for us to snap out of this funk we are going to have to speed the game up and play "Fun Basketball". KU can not win the the NCAA tournament playing in the 50's and 60's. KU and Coach Self need speed up the possessions and speed up the other team. As of right now, the last seven games, the other teams guards are sitting on the beach drinking fu fu drinks because they are so relaxed. I've said it a million times that we do have great defensive pressure extended just beyond the 3 point line, but what about the other 72 feet. Our defense is not our problem right now. It's our team and Coach Self allowing our team to play to the other team's tempo and shot clock management. If we could speed up the other team (Full Court Man to Man token press doesn't cut it) maybe we could some stupid turnovers that would lead to easy points. KU has had many easy possessions or easy points in the last 7 Games, excluding Colorado, but they don't count. Our Defense is fine, it's the management of the game and it's possessions that are our biggest weakness right now, and that all falls onto the shoulders of our so called fearless leader. Anyone else agree with this assessment or am I missing something here?

February 25, 2008 at 7:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

re-establish the lock-down defense of our guards!!!!!

i'm sick and tired of watching the abuse opposing guards put on us with their dribble-penetration.

February 25, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

nicka (anonymous) says...

anyone remember florida losing 3 of their last 5 going into the postseason last year? everyone was writing them off, but the truth of the matter was that there just wasn't any motivation. conference games on the road are always tough, no matter who you are playing. kansas on a neutral court is still a good bet. you can sell if you want, but i'm buying.

February 25, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

cscher (anonymous) says...

Step IV: Brandon Rush should be playing like a guard who is supposed to be in the NBA this year. He has more turnovers than assists. If I were an NBA scout, I wouldn't think 12 points a game is very impressive. Maybe Self needs to bring back the treadmill. Or maybe he needs to recruit a sports psychologist from across campus.

February 25, 2008 at 8:33 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

Nicka: I understand what you're saying about Florida losing 3 of 5 entering the SEC tournament last year, but comparing Florida and KU is pretty hard to do. At this point last year Florida was the defending champion and was on the verge of trying to repeat. They won their last game of the season and then won 3 straight in the SEC tournament to lock up the overall number 1 seed (I still disagree they deserved that seed in the MIdwest). Florida had a right to be lazy, lack motivation, take plays off, because they had already won a championship. KU has done nothing and has earned nobody's respect. The only reason Florida miracously jumped everybody and got the overall number seed last year is because their RPI was so good last year. I hate how everybody focuses on RPI down the stretch of the season, but KU's non-conference schedule and rpi ranking should be of a concern come tournament time. You need a little luck when it comes to pairings in the tournament and don't expect any of the committee members to do KU any favors like they did for Florida last year. KU needs to look impressive these last 4 regular games and the 3 Big 12 tournament games to lock up the Midwest Region. However, for some reason this team is looking like the 2004-2005 Jayhawks. You guys remember that team jumping out to 20-0 and the faltering down the stretch. You remember all the injuries? Sherron not healthy is really concerning me. Second year in a row at this time of the year he is not healthy. I don't know, I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not getting good vibes.

February 25, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

I think there is a BIG talent-level difference between this year's team and last year's Gators.

February 25, 2008 at 8:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

pitthawker (anonymous) says...

Im sure coach Self will thank all of you for your contributions and I look forward to watching him implement all of these amazing strategies that Im sure he has never thought about....idiots

How about a little more blame on the refs. That is why the game was at a sluggish pace...plus with the deaths, I think thjis team is just fine

February 25, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

pitthawker: Why don't you read all the "Posts" before you comment. There actually was mention of "Adversity" that the team was currently dealing with so I guess that would translate over to the "Deaths" that you are talking about. I guess things have to spelled out for you.
You can't blame refs for anything. It's unfortuante there were some ill-timed calls that did not go in KU's favor, but you can't blame that on the loss. Anyone who blames refs for losses is just making execuses. Yes, you can compare the stat sheets for example when KU played UT...... KU-11-14 FT line and 24 fouls
UT-20-28 FT Line and 15 fouls

Yes, there is a significant disparity there, but you have to overcome that on the road. You have to have mental toughness and when things aren't going well, ie Texas and Okie St, you have to dig down that much deeper to get it done.

Finally, Strategies do need to be talked about because obviously the strategies that are currently being employed and executed are not working. We all know that Bill is not a great X's and O's coach. At some point you would think he would be able to make an in game adjustment that didn't take him 33 minutes and being 9 points for him to realize. Anyone who has played competitive basketball can see that a mile away.

February 25, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jackhawk (anonymous) says...

Keegan and others: we are so fortunate to have you guys to figure out what to do with this "failing" (24-3 is it?) team. Our coaches and players need only read your articles and comments to take care of all their problems. Hey, Keegan, the coaching job at Indiana will soon be open. With all that knowledge I'm sure you will be a strong candidate. That would be great for Indiana in that if they lose a football game or two or . . . they will have you there to double up and tell those coaches what they need to do also.

February 25, 2008 at 9 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

You know, I just looked up the box score to the Okie state game and this was the stat sheet for the game.

KU-24 fouls 16-19 from the FT line
Okie St-23 Fouls 23-27 from the FT line.

Obviously there is a consistent theme here. In our losses our opponent is going to the line significantly more than us. That would lead me to believe that our opponent is working their tail off and being quite aggressive against us. Yes, there might be some ill-advised calls as there always are on a road game, but KU has got to get to the line more. I mean, we are shooting an amazing rate from the FT line this year (The best I've seen in many years) and we are getting anwhere from a 1/3 to 1/2 as many FT attempts per game in our losses. When things aren't going well we need to find a way to get more aggressive and take it to the rack.

February 25, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

fljayhawk (anonymous) says...

61 pts, wow, to me thats great defense. It was the offense that stunk - 21 turnovers. It seems to me many times when the Hawks run they run out-of-control. Case in point, the fantastic 2 on 1 with Chalmers controlling the dribble, Mario dribbled dribbled right to the basket and getting fouled, never looking to pass the ball at the last second when the defender came to him. And how about the beautiful pick and roll early in the game with Arthur taking the pass for what should have been an easy put in BUT 'Shady' opted for a NBA type slam dunk which took a couple of extra tenths of a second and it was a block + foul and an easy 2 pts were lost. Its nice to run and its our style of play but run under control.

February 25, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

superdave (anonymous) says...

I am probably not alone in a painful vision I had in wathcing the OSU game. We are in the second round of the NCAA's against a team with a good guard - we are missing our three's (or not taking any at all) and trailing by 4-7 points throughout, expecting a late game spurt to push us over the top. The "spurt" never comes and B-B-??? happens again. Farfetched?? I don't know - it just seems that I have seen this play before.

February 25, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

smitty33 (anonymous) says...

I called it earlier this season, KSU is a key game for us this weekend to start our run. We need to start playing smarter NOW. No turnovers, No dumb shots, No Brandon Airballs, and use and occasional Zone defense to stop penetration.

February 25, 2008 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

86finalfour (anonymous) says...

you can't compare florida to kansas simply because those players were better than KUs. Look at the NBA this year. Al Horford is the second best rookie of the year and Noah is having a very productive year while Julian is riding the pine all year.

February 25, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

I hear what you're sayin', superdave. I've watched way too many KU games where we're trailing the entire game and the 'hawks are playing like they have all day to make their move...only to realize that they needed another minute or two. Sure wish we had that "step-on-their-throats-and-not-let-up" mentality...like the '97 crew.

February 25, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jpstrayer (anonymous) says...

KUShaw...I don't think KU limited OSU to 61 points...I believe, OSU milking the shot clock on every possession limited their overall scoring more than anything KU did on defense.

One common thread in the 3 road losses...a lack of passion...at some point you have to reach down inside yourself and make a determined effort to beat the other man.

February 25, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

For some odd reason, I keep perusing the mid-majors that begin with a "B".

February 25, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KUMatt2001 (anonymous) says...

The last 5 NCAA Champs averaged 78.8 pts in the tournament.

Is this team capable of that?

February 25, 2008 at 9:25 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

All our naysaying and panic can be put to rest if KU shakes off the past several weeks, goes to ISU, pounds the Cylcones into submission with a 15 point win, then hammers KSU in Lawarence on Saturday by 25, before wrapping up the conference season by winning out, and then taking the Big 12 tourney championship trophy by steamrolling over three conference teams in three days in KC. Doable? Yea, I think so. This team has terrific talent: they need to rive up the intenisty, show some fire and attitude, play through the injuries, and reclaim their swagger. The past is the past, guys; forget all the media pundits now claiming Kansas is on the ropes and slipping off the NC radar.

In simple terms,the season starts anew Wednesday night in Ames. By winning out the balance of our conference games and showing national championship-caliber play in the Big 12 tourney, no one will be talking or whining about what happened in Stillwater, Manhattan or Austin over the past several weeks. And, more importantly, I will be able to write blogs praising the Jayhawks for their inspired play and their dominating, impressive victories....including their two signature wins in San Antonio!

February 25, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Timmay97 (anonymous) says...

Someone needs to explain to me why Rush simply hugs the 3-point line throughout the game. Just like our guards, he needs to penetrate more. He's taller than most guys who will guard him......he's a mismatch for any team. He also needs to show up early, not wait until late to get aggressive. Same with Chalmers.

As for the fouling/refs. I do think we get screwed sometimes, but again, you can't blame the refs for not moving your feet or slapping down at the ball. Having said that, I DO NOT think it was a foul by Sasha Kaun with 10 seconds (or so) left when Eaton drove the lane. You're talking about 5;11" against 6'11". I honestly thought that was a bad call.

And as great a defensive player Chalmers is.....stop trying to poke the freakin' ball out of opponents hands! Just play sound defense. Stupid fouls hurt the team.

February 25, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

Well said, Timmay97!!!!

February 25, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

I look at the New Orleans Hornets box score every game they play, and rarely see Julian Wright's name. Seems to me he is just another ill-advised "come-out" who will fade into NBA oblivion.

Who's advising these kids re NBA-readiness? And who can jump into the manic fray of "the promise of NBA riches trump all common sense" to bring these kids back to reality? We've lost our way.

February 25, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jhawk7782 (anonymous) says...

This season is starting to look a lot like the 2004-05 season. Great start, uninspired conference play then a first round loss to Bucknell.

As far as any player from this team being ready for the NBA, I hope they rethink that strategy. I couldn't justify anyone being drafted in the first round with the possible exception of Jackson.

February 25, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bbeachy (anonymous) says...

Best case scenario... KU gets the top #2 seed in the tourney and is put in the same bracket as Tennessee. Sure they beat Memphis in an impressive victory, but the Vols have no chance at the final four. The SEC is weak. Let us not forget that the Big XII is a great league this year. Don't be fooled! (5-7) Nebraska waxed Arizona State and topped Oregon, (4-8) Iowa St. beat Purdue, and (5-7) OSU beat Washington and LSU. Minus Colorado, that is our bottom of the barrel! Road games are tough, and kenpom.com has the Big XII as the toughest conference in the nation. Not trying to justify our loss, but be patient with the Hawks. If we lose two more or fizzle in the conference tourney, then is your time to panic. Self is a better coach than most are giving him credit for.

February 25, 2008 at 10:13 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

chuckberry32 (anonymous) says...

espn is picking KSU over KU for their saturday upset...

My hopes for this season are tumbling lower and lower as is our offensive output. Way I see it, no scoring --> no winning. Where have all the scorers gone?

February 25, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

All I have to say about Julian Wright is this:
2008: $1,739,160

2009: $1,666,700

2010: $2,381,710

2011: $3,293,910

4 Years = $9,081,480

So what if he is sitting the bench. Yeah, it would have been nice to have him on the KU court helping us win a Championship, but I would rather have D-Block playing for me. If Julian would have stayed then we wouldn't have seen the progress of D-Block. Julian made the right decision because his stock really wasn't going to get in higher (Most likeley). As long as Julian has a good financial adviser that allows him to invest and save the money like he should do, then it was a smart decision. If we here stories about him on the streets in 15 years then we know he was too immature to have all that responsibility. Time will only tell, but I would have taken the 9 million and run for the hills.

February 25, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

I wonder if the National media will acknowledge that there were two murders this week for two KU Players family members. They probably won't acknowledge it. All in all, with only 2 games in 12 days, I was hoping for some good rest and renewed vigor, but sometimes life wants to test your character with adversity. After thinking about this team and everything that has gone on this year and with the KU family, I think this team is probably destined for late March success. I've probably been a little too hard on them this week especially with the other things that are going on with D-Block and Rod. Some things are more important and a 1 point loss as another poster stated probably won't be too bad on the resume come March. I just hope the National Media and some tournament officials take note on the amount of things that happened to KU basketball this week. Keep your heads up and it's a new week to bounce back and a get a good win at the concrete palace of Hilton.

February 25, 2008 at 10:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

billsboy (anonymous) says...

I completely agree with step 2. If something continues to not work it is time to make a change.

February 25, 2008 at 10:44 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

pjdeanwag (anonymous) says...

kushaw--

Do you have a job? Are you lobbying to get one on the KU staff?

"Strategies do need to be talked about because obviously the strategies that are currently being employed are not working..."

What cracks me up the most, in your infinite desire to inform us all of your basketball expertise, is that you actually think any one with a true link to the KU staff is reading this. You would have a better chance going to coach Self's house, I'm sure you probably know where it is, get a bull horn, and shout all of your thoughts over his back yard fence. Or maybe a big sign. Yeah...that would work. You could map out your "X's and O's" on a big sign, and stand next to his driveway. I'm sure he'd bring you a cup of coffee and invite you into his breakfast nook for a chat. No, I've got it. You should go to Jayhawk Towers, set up a secret meeting with the players, and just go over coach Self's head. He really doesn't know what he's doing. I for one think your the man for the job.

Seriously, all nay-saying turds: Support your team. (They're kids and make mistakes. They had a lot on their plate this week.) Ride out the highs and lows. (It's the best sport in the world because of the quick variation between the two.) Stop putting down people that have a little faith in this team. (Otherwise you are fair weather.)

this team will be fine. They stunk it up these past few days. Big deal. If they want to win, (and you can't argue that they don't,) they will bounce. Mark my words: This team, when running on all cylinders, will peak in March.

February 25, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

It's inexcusable for your starting wing player to have played in 25 games yet only shot 52 free throws.

Rush's only value to this team is 3 point shooting and rebounding.

The lack of A (one, not 5) go-to guy will be the undoing of this team.

February 25, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

flipborder02 (anonymous) says...

Rush you remind me so much of Giddens. "A failure"

February 25, 2008 at 11:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

pjdeanwag: Yes, I do have a job, but today happens to be Monday and I take Monday's off. Monday's happen to be "MY Day" to exercise my right and my opinion and also to use my "Expertise" on basketball to voice that knowledge. Why do you come to blog's site pjdeanwag? What are your theories and opinions? Until as you would say "Stand behind Coach Self's fence and shout my thoughts with a bull horn"; maybe I should. At least I'm choosing a side of the fence to stand on. I at least take a side and give points to back up my thoughts. If you would have taken time to read my last post, I even acknowledged that my timing might be a little off with all the things that have happened the last week. The great thing about this forum is that like so many other Jayhawk fans, they get to come to forums like these and voice their thoughts and opinions (I would need a very loud bull horn since I'm in Charlotte). It's not my fault that I love college basketball and I have a vast knowledge that surpasses that of the average fan. If you want, you can try to keep up or if you need a basketball related question answered then you can certainly ask, but don't get on someone's back for stating opinion. Take a side and voice reasoning to support your thoughts. I will continue to enjoy the rest of "MY DAY".

February 25, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kackley (anonymous) says...

The problem is the switching man-to-man defense between the bigs and the guards. Opponents are penetrating on our post players due to the switch.

February 25, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jross1972 (Joe Ross) says...

1. Perimeter defense
2. Rebounding
3. Come out enthusiastic and ready to play
4. Perimeter defense

February 25, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kackley (anonymous) says...

I always had a cardinal rule that on a post/guard screen the guard had to fight through the screen or over it but get there. KU doesn't do that.

February 25, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

KU: Good Point! Good to see you again.

February 25, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

kackley......

You pointed out an interesting fact. KU has started (I think in the last 4 or 5 games) switching the high ball screens.

Fighting over or having the screener's defender let you through a screen are the tried and true ways to avoid mismatches that switching cause.

The other problem we have is that we hedge the ball screen by having our Big jump in the path of the guard with the ball. This causes our Big to be way out at the top of the key where he's in no-man's-land. (This led to all kinds of double-teams and turnovers and easy baskets against our weak non-con schedule, but doesn't benefit much against better guards in conference.) We lose all post defense presence in the lane and then our Bigs try to crash into the lane to defend the guard that has a clear path to the hoop.

KUShaw--Hope the weather is better in Charlotte than it has been in KC!

February 25, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

Still, with all the complaints we make about our defense, it's our offense that isn't consistent enough to win a championship.

I can't believe I'm complaining about defense after holding an opponent to 61 points.......and losing!

Somebody made a good point about pushing the tempo. If we are truly endowed with such depth on the perimeter, we need to force teams that want to slow the game down with a full-court press.

Our half-court offense is not good enough to win close, physical, slow games against top-notch competition. We have to play at a high-possession, open-court tempo to exploit our athleticism and avoid getting bogged down in our very average half-court offensive "sets" where we have no go-to guy.

February 25, 2008 at 12:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

Their has been some very good points made in today's comments. It is to bad that Coach Self and the players don't read them. 2 points to keep in mind:

1. The # 1 team in the NCAA polls, for what that is worth, will be Tennessee this afternoon. Tennessee, which is 25-2, 11-1 in the SEC, lost to Texas, 97-78.

2. Death affects the whole team, and it did right from the start.

We will see what we have this Saturday against KSU. Can Beasley and Walker be stopped?

I rather be seated lower in the NCAA tournament than seated high and get knocked out early. Maybe our heads will not be as big?

February 25, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

I don't really care about the number by the seeding, but rather the pairings and the matchups that go with the seedings. Seriously, who really gave it much thought that Wisconsin was goning to do anything last year as 2 seed. They didn't and flamed out in the second round and basically gave Florida an easy path to the Final Four.

February 25, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

bhann......Interesting point about Texas-Tennessee. The only problem is that was ages ago.....late November.

Pearl has obviously gotten his team to play better as the season has played out. They were very weak defensively early in the year.

If you matched those teams up today, you would probably have the 2 teams that are playing the best in the country right now.

A more telling stat about KU's team is that they have zero wins against Big 12 Conference teams with winning conference records.

February 25, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

wats211 (anonymous) says...

I disagree with keegans' analysis..as always...he misses the main point..its called desire...How badly do these guys want it???....thats the issue!...KU has enough talent to win it all without Arthur and Collins....the question is...When are these guys going to start playing with the passion necessary to win it all.That passion has to be displayed on the road...its easy to conjure it up in allen field house...julian wright had the passion..these jayhawks to begin playing like julian did....with heart...with passion!!!!!

February 25, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

wats211......Do we REALLY have enough talent to win it all? It seems to me that one aspect of a "talented player" is his innate DESIRE to play hard and win.

Who do we have that is sooooo talented compared to the top players in the country?

Brandon? He can shoot an open--not guarded--3 point shot unless it's in a closely contested game. He can't penetrate. He can't get to the line. His defense isn't as good as last year. He certainly doesn't have an internal drive.

Darrell? Plays too immature. Plays defense with his hands instead of his feet. Doesn't do a great job of sealing for post position. Poor rebounder for his jumping ability and size. Relies too much on a jumper/fadeaway that tends to fall off the rim in a tight game. I see no signs of internal drive in him.

Those are the two that are regularly pencilled in for an early departure, thus, most people think they are the most talented.

We really don't have great talent on this team. We don't have guys with that internal drive like a DJ Augustin, Tyler Hansbrough, Michael Beasley, Bill Walker, etc.

I would rather have 5 Kevin Prichards and 5 Rex Walters on my team anyday than the supposedly great players we have. Mind over matter.........

February 25, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

I'm surprised we only dropped to 7th.

February 25, 2008 at 12:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

jayhawkinatl......That just means there's plenty of room to fall after KSU comes into Allen and slaps us around and we lose an uninspired game at aTm. These boys play like they did Saturday at ISU and they could easily lose that game, too.

February 25, 2008 at 1:01 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

Tennessee lost AT Kentuchy, 72-66-Jan. 22, however, they won 2 close games on the road, at LSU-47-45-FEB. 5t, and at Georgia 74-71, FEB. 16.

Bottom line, great teams win on the road, and GREAT players, want and come thru when the game is on the line.

We have key players that don't show until the 2nd half. Look at the last 4 game box scores.

We will see what kind of DESIRE or HEART as a team we have when we play KSU at home.

February 25, 2008 at 1:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

bhann, "Can Beasley and Walker be stopped?" I understand you asking that question, but those two combined for 75 points (44 and 31 respectively) against Baylor and lost. 75 of the 86 KSU points (seriously, that's ridiculous). Those two will score, we just need to play solid ball and dictate our own game.

February 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayloco (anonymous) says...

Bottom line, it is our guards and DA that are killin' us. I think RR and Mario are too busy trying to create steals and not worried about playing solid defense. I put my head in my hands when I saw OSU get a wide open look at a 3 when they were down I believe 1 with about 2 minutes to go. I know our guard tripped, but giving them a completely open look at the end of a game is completely inexcusable. Teams are simply getting too many good looks from the perimeter.

I am really disappointed in DA's lack of maturity when it comes to foul trouble. He knew his issue from last year was picking up cheap fouls on defense and getting fouls down low for being overly aggressive in establishing position on the blocks. If this guy could find a way to be a 30+ minute a game player, he could be a monster. He simply takes himself out of the game by not being focused during the game.

Lastly, I am a big Hawks fan and would love to see this team win it all, but I just don't see it happening. Somebody is going to play a slow-it-down, grind it out type game and we will fall. That is just my opinion.

February 25, 2008 at 1:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

But we have the road test of ISU first......

February 25, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

truehawkfan (anonymous) says...

kushaw, I am glad you stuck up for yourself. You made some very good points. I hope hope you do enjoy "ME DAY". I enjoy these message boards because it does give the average fan a chance to have his voice heard, as well as get into educated discussions with people that have the same passion. We could care less if Bill himself reads these or the players. This is for fans to discuss their favorite team. The fans are the reason those players are so highly recognized anyway. If it weren't for fans that truly love the game, they would be playing in front of no one except two coaches and a few parents. Feel free to give your opinions KU fans about these players and coaches that represent the team we love so much.

I completely agree that Rush does not make our team better right now. He has the potential to make this team great with his ability, but what good does that do if he does not use it. he is soft and is afraid of contact. Everyone said it was amazing how fast he came back from the injury, and from a physical standpoint, it is amazing. But from a mental standpoint, he has not gotten any better since the day he stepped foot on KU campus. He has the ability to create his own shot, get to the rim, draw fouls, mismatches, ect. but he doesn't do it. He is timid, and does not have the mentality to be the "go to guy" that KU needs. I really think if scouts have him going first round, he better take it, because the longer he plays in college, the more his weaknesses are exposed and the lower he will drop. I do not think he will last very long in the league, so he better hire a very good financial analyst to help him save his money and invest wisely. Just my opinion.

February 25, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

Dear LAJayhawk-

Look up KSU loses-- Both Walker & Beasley CAN be stopped--Know the facts before u write- 2 examples:

1. home game ksu vs. Orgen- KSU loses- WALKER has 4 points.

2. at Axiver-lost--103-77--beasley--5 points

Maybe we can watch game film and show our players that it has been PROVEN that these 2 players CAN be held under 10 points each!!

I love KU basketball and am tired of excuses, i, like many other fans want results!!

February 25, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kushaw (anonymous) says...

Jayhawkinatl: Depends on what poll you look at. 6th in AP poll and 7th in ESPN/Coaches Poll. I'm not a big guy on Polls, but I'm always sick and tired of seeing Duke getting beneit of the doubt. Duke loses twice in one week and still only drops to 6th ahead of KU who had a 1 point loss. The AP poll usually gets it right. Tennesee has a tough schedule coming up in SEC Play. At Vanderbilt, home against Kentucky, and at Florida, and then home with South Carolina before SEC Play. UNC and Duke both play each other so one of those teams is going to lose again, and K-State and Texas play tonight, which we really need a K-State win to make our Matchup on Saturday that more exciting. UCLA still plays at Arizona, at ASU, home against Stanford, and against California. Memphis won't lose again this season so no reason to bring them up. There is still a lot of room for a good seed and we just need some teams to slip up starting with Texas against K-State tonight.

February 25, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

Beasley and Walker are not the X-factors...it's assumed that the duo will get their points. Look at the Baylor game...Beasley and Walker combined for 75 of the 85...with absolutely no other help, they lost. The X-factor last time we play the Cats was obviously Pullen. The key will be, and, hopefully, Bill figures it out, to make sure no one else turns out to be the X-factor. Quit worrying so much about Beasley and expending so much energy and resources (i.e., doubling AND trippling down on him and leaving Pullen open for 3s) to defend him.

February 25, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

bhann......I don't think teams really "stop" Beasley and Walker. They are freshmen and they are subject to the mental ups and downs of being freshmen. They stop themselves on a given night more than they are stopped.

One thing you can bet: They WILL be in the game mentally and emotionally against KU in Lawrence and it WILL be a game of WILLS.

Unfortunately, even with 5 seniors, we don't seem capable of imposing our will on a team that has comparable or better talent, even when the bulk of the opposing talent is of the freshman variety.

February 25, 2008 at 1:48 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

jayhawkinatl.......You're right. We gave Beasley too much credit the first game. Just play the guy straight up man-to-man and make somebody else beat you. We know they have Walker that can beat us, too, so you have to hope we can cover Pullen and the other perimeter players better than the first round.

February 25, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

Dear KU

Beasley just set a NCAA record for double-double points. He is a man among boys.

I do agree with with the rest of your statements.

February 25, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

bhann.......I'm confused. Which side of the argument are you on? First it seemed like you were arguing that Beasley CAN be held in check. Then you say that he just set a record for freshmen scoring double-doubles like nobody could stop him.

I'm saying give the guy 30 or 40 points by playing him man-to-man so we don't have a Pullen or Stewart or Young go off on us as the X-factor.

February 25, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

truehawkfan (anonymous) says...

I agree Beasley is a man among boys, but Walker, to me, is a head case, and can be taken out of his game. I think we need to let Beasley get his 30 points and shut everyone else down. This is where Stewert can play his role on this team. When he gets in, put him on Walker and tell Rod to piss him off. I don't think Brandon has enough Webos to piss someone off.

February 25, 2008 at 2 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

I was simply showing 2 games where they both were held to 5 & 4 points-

When we played they at KSU, Beasley had 25 and Walker had 20--yes the X factor is Pullen, which had 22 points in game 1..

Yes, Beasley is a man among boys, BUT he can, like Walker, be STOP, which has been show and this is the FACT that I was trying to prove.

February 25, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jayhawkinatl (anonymous) says...

I think KU and I agree on this...that the teams that beat KSU recently (Tech, NU, and Baylor) really made it a point to NOT over-compensate for Beasley.

February 25, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

Xavier didn't take Beasley out of the game. He started with a charge and a turnover and only took 6 shots in 32 minutes. Like I said, he's a freshman and that day--after having about 10 or 12 double-doubles in a row--he played like a freshman.

He won't come out flat against KU because it's a rivalry game.

February 25, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

truehawkfan-

Very good point in regards of Walker, he is a hot head and picks up fouls easy. We need to take it inside and get him in foul trouble in the 1st half.

I still believe we need to see what Orgen did to hold Beasley to 4 points.

Beasley does pick up a lot of his points on the inside, even though he can shot outside, we need to block him off the boards!!

February 25, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

truehawkfan (anonymous) says...

Good point. The sad fact is that KSU has two national championship games this year. Both times they play us. Their fans and players get so fired up to play KU, it is almost sad. I had said after they beat us at AF west, they would fall on their faces, and they did against MU. They seem to be putting so much effort into beating us, you wonder if they even think about winning the real NC. Even if they do beat us in Lawrence, I don not think they have the mental capacity to hold it together in the National Tournament. I may be wrong, but if they beat us again (doubtful), look for them to fall apart in March.

February 25, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

truehawkfan......Well, at least KSU can say they won their national championship, can't they?

What can we claim this year? Not much. A whole lot of wins over a whole lot of mediocre teams.

We CAN claim that we cannot seem to get up to an emotional peak (kudos to KSU for doing it) against the toughest teams on our schedule and on the road.

February 25, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

truehawkfan (anonymous) says...

Very true KU. I agree. To me, Bill needs to buckle down and not worry about babying these kids anymore. I know even with high school kids, a good butt chewing, and some time on the bench does any player good, no matter what the age. He needs to set an example. If you are not going to play with emotion, then I know some guys sitting that bench that will. We may lose, but I (coach Self) will win. You WILL play the way I want you to, or you will sit and watch players that work hard all the time, that aren't afraid of a little contact, that make "hustle plays." That is one thing KSU has, is guys that will make hustle plays. We said at the beginning of the year, that we out hustled other teams. I really think once we got into conference play, we tightened up and started worrying. I think coach Self is a good coach, but as with every coach at any level, he has some deficiencies. I just hope he is humble enough to listen to his assistants, and take the team by the Webos ( l like that word) and lead his team.

February 25, 2008 at 2:25 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

MusicHawk (anonymous) says...

I have not read all of the posts on all the articles relating to the deaths of Darnell and Rodrick's family members, so I apologize in advance if this does not entirely relate to those of you that take the time to read this.

I do believe the reason for this comment section is to create an atmosphere for constructive discussion by passionate fans of the Hawks. I would suggest that we not forget that games won and lost will never impact our lives as greatly as the loss of those two individuals to their respective families.

I think that every one of these young men, to the person, are to be congratulated for being great representatives of the Jayhawk Nation both on the floor and off and in the way they support each other.

Let's not forget to do the same for them; W or L.

February 25, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

KU (anonymous) says...

We're all aware of the value of life, MusicHawk. The condolences have been said; the bouquets have been sent.

We're complaining not about one bad game that was supposedly the fault of two deaths in the family but about year-long issues that have plagued KU in losses AND wins.

February 25, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

truehawkfan (anonymous) says...

MusicHawk,
I appreciate the comment. I think KU fans are very, very competitive people. We do appreciate the way DJ and Rod came out and played, but we get so upset with losses, that we need to vent. KU is the most scrutinized basketball team (besides Kentucky) in the nation. Our fans have very high expectations, which is not a bad thing. KU fans have been very supportive throughout all the posts I have read, we have just been discussing some of the things that could make our team better. Again, just opinions. All hawk fans will support the team in a win or a loss, we just really like to win a lot.

February 25, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

bhann, I'm glad you got to point out that Beasley and Walker can have off nights, but that clearly wasn't what I was talking about, and, therefore, not much reason to "call me out," so to speak. Those "facts" you spoke of didn't relate to the point I was making. Let me reiterate:

It is very possible with Beasley and Walker having career nights -- as they both did against Baylor -- to still win the ballgame. KSU scoring that game: 44, 31, 5,4,1,1. Obviously we would like them both to not score 40 (or even thirty), but we don't need to focus all our energy on stopping those two. A sound defensive game with those two still putting up some points and we can very easily win.

That was my point, so perhaps you should pay attention to what's posted before YOU write.....

February 25, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

Once again, though, we first have a tough road test with ISU, let us not forget....

February 25, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

call reesig and mangino for some butt kicking

ok, ok, all; we're No. 7 in today's national poll -- not as bad as I thought we might be.

Listen, the past is the past. From this day (or this Wednesday, actually) forth, KU's basketball team has it within their SOLE power and control to get their heads screwed on right, jack up the energy level to gargantuan levels, and declare war on the balance of their opponents, winning out the remainder of the season, including two games in San Antonio. If they need someone to jack them up, call Todd Reesing and Joe Mortensen over to Allen and let them do some butt kicking, and then bring in Mark Mangino and have him diplicate a Raimond Pendleton butt chewing on the team, challenging their manhood and national title hunger. It's time, guys!

Seems to me Bill could have on more than one occassion during the past four games emulated the "Mark- Raimond sideline chat" on the court sidelines -- in full view of all, including a national TV audience. We need some fire, guys! This is YOUR Kansas team; make it happen -- like we all know you can!

February 25, 2008 at 3:21 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Mr_Sandman (anonymous) says...

I agree that we need to run zone when it makes sense. Being a man to man coach is ok, being stubborn is another. If our guards simply cannot check a point guard don't let him control the entire game with penetration. try a freakin change of pace!!! Throw in a 3-2 or 2-3 every now and then to see what happens. Several benefits of a zone are possible but we never even get to see them because we never even try it. The offense also needs to tweak a few things, but mainly it is about not turning the ball over! This is on the players more than the coach. Self needs to motivate these guys to bring some intensity and play up to their potential that is where I am critical of him.

February 25, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

LAJayhawk-

When KSU beat us at their place, Beasley had 25 & Walkey had 20--Pullen killed our gaurds with 22.

Simply look at the games KSU box scores, and it shows one of them has to be shut down. ( Walker or Beasley )

I like the odds of getting Walker getting in foul trouble, therfore, if we can do that, we can beat them at home.

Unlike KSU, that is NOT our championship game, but it is a key game. When is the last time we beat a rank time at home or on the road? december 2nd! WOW!

I will give you the facts. We are 1-2 vs ranked teams this year.
1. At # 22 USC--Dec. 2nd Won- 59-55

2. AT KSU Jan. 30th--LOST--84-75

3. At # 12 Texas-LOST--72-69

Our schedule is weak and we are paying for it. IF, we are going to beat KSU, either Walker or Beasley will need to be shut down, which has been shown that BOTH can be held under 10 points.

Who cares when it was done, it shows it can be done, so quit making excuses and let us get it done!!

February 25, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

LAJayhawk...

You must not have watched the KSU / Baylor game the other night.

Beasley had 44, going 14-25 from the field and 15-15 from the line

Walker had 31, going 13-21 from the field and 3-4 from the line

Together that equals 75 points, shooting 58.6% from the floor and 94.7% from the line.

Certainly doesn't sound like either one of them were shut down one bit.

However, the rest of the team combined for only 11 points!!! They went 3-18 from the floor and 4-8 from the line.

So saying that one of them has to be shut down in order for them to lose is wrong. It is shutting down the other players and not allowing them to help Beasley and Walker out.

If KU could have kept Pullen contained the game in Manhattan would have turned out different.

February 25, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kc_wildfire (anonymous) says...

Sorry.

That last post should have been directed at bhann and not LAJayhawk.

My bad.

February 25, 2008 at 3:59 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jhwkfan162515 (anonymous) says...

The offense is predictable and the guys are half-a$$ing it on defense. When it has gone on for this long, how can poor coaching NOT be a part of this. One more first- or second-round NCAA loss and it will be next to impossible for me to stay on the Bill Self bandwagon.

February 25, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jrbill67 (anonymous) says...

I love the current team & I think Self is a very good coach, but this team is not going to do anything unless someone steps up, takes charge, and becomes a leader on the floor. No one has assumed this role. If Rush & Arthur are ready for the NBA, they better get after it because Rush disappears & Arthur can't stay on the floor, & without them producing at a high level, this is a very average team, dropping seeds & going out early in the tournament. In addition, it would be nice to see Self change defenses when a player, like Eaton, is making you look silly.

February 25, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Woodberry (anonymous) says...

All post bring up good points...bottom line is we need to show up and play. We have the talent, we have the depth, now lets go out and put it to good use. I think Self needs to COACH during the game and he needs to take over this team if noone playing is going to. Somehow he needs to send a message to the players, who seem to just be "going through the motions". These next couple of games are really crucial and if there's a time that we need to make a statement it is now. Earlier in the post someone compared us to Florida...get real, we have the potential but are nowhere near their level. They played nasty and they played with intensity, something we don't do. This season is far from over, but it could end immaturely if we don't rise to the challenge. Last thing, Pitthawk don't ever come on the blog blaming the refs. That's ridiculous 4th grade talk. You must've been the kid whose parents got mad because everyone didn't get a trophy, or the kid who thought he could make the rules because it was his basketball everyone was playing with. Get real.

February 25, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bhann (anonymous) says...

Again--Look at the 2 games to where we can learn something on how to beat KSU, a RANKED team.

1. At home vs. # 17 Orgen--Beasley 24 points, Walker 4 points, they lost 80-77

2. At Xavier-- Walker 31 points, Beasley 4 points!! Oh, by the way, KSU Lost that game to, 103-77.

Simple, one of the 2 has to be shut down. It has been PROVEN in these 2 games that each one can be shut down.

We have NOT beaten a ranked team since Dec. 2nd. So, IF we are going to doing anything, this Saturday would be a good start!!

Yes, they both did very well against Baylor and lost a close one, but so many people believe that these 2 can't be stop and I was showing they can be.

February 25, 2008 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

Ok, Ok, I get it: either Beasely or Walker need to be shut down. Fine. But the only question that remains is: who on this timid KU team is going to show he's man enough and has the necessary pride and confidence in his ability to do it? Arthur? Rush? Kaun? D-Block?

ISU must be the KU warm-up for KSU: KU must destroy ISU by 20, and Self needs to throw a raging, kanitsen fit on the sidelines in his team's face at the first timeout prompted by poor and/or uninspired play. If he needs to practice a tirade, he should check out Mangino's sheer butt-ripping of KU's Raimond Pendleton on YouTube.

February 25, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

cobweb (anonymous) says...

A good defensive team can slow KU down and get them out of sync. Throw in some zone and have a night where you're hot from the 3 - point line and presto, you beat em.

February 25, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

LAJayhawk (anonymous) says...

bhann, I'm not going to keep arguing with you because you clearly are not listening. The last thing I will say is that NO ONE, none of the several who have disagreed with you, say those two CAN'T be shut down. They are human beings. All of us are saying it would be great if they were shut down, but we shouldn't triple team Beasley on every touch like in Manhattan. Because IF they score, we CAN still win by not allowing a Pullen, for example, to score 22. Obviously, it would be fantastic if both were kept under 10 and we won by 50. Yes, clearly that is a way to achieve a victory.

But continue on with your pointless banter, if it makes you feel better.

Also, K-State is no longer ranked.

February 25, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jhawkerman (anonymous) says...

I would like to add a couple more steps ... we are faster and certainly more talented handling the ball. Let's stop walking the ball up the court and get back to push it push it push it to get better quick offensive opertunities then we are getting with our lazy halfcourt offense. And lastly lets do some more trapping defense full and half court. We have the bench to wear down the opponents lets use it..

February 25, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

melrank (anonymous) says...

Boy, it took a long time to read all of these posts. LA - Your persistent, man. I admire that :)

February 25, 2008 at 7:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

crimsoninracine (anonymous) says...

Amen to everyone who keeps insisting that our beloved Jayhawks will be just fine! They will. Borrowing from above, the three steps to our success:

1. Lose on the road at Iowa State (they did take Texas to OT). That will open eyes for a couple of players, but only a couple.
2. Lose at home, preferably to KState (Tech just isn't that good, and they have no special incentive to want to beat us in Lawrence). A season sweep by Beasley and Co. would be hard to take, but he likes to talk and he'd have a field day with that one!
3. A opening loss in the Big 12 Tourney! Perhaps, if there were a way, to Baylor or OSU. That would be tough, but would do wonders for us!

Sounds crazy, I know. But, we need something to wake us up. Coach Self isn't going to get it done, as we know. And, if we win out we have no edge, no fire, no desire. We just figure we're fine and we'll roll over teams in the tourney. No, a few more losses would do us wonders. We might actually end up with a team full of highly talented former All-Americans who REALLY want to win and show people what they've got (we have the All-Americans already, but they play as if they expect opponents to cringe at the sight of us). We might become tough (see opposite of soft). We might finally feel like we have something to prove.

1988: Danny and the Miracles were 12-11 at one point. They hated it, especially Manning and Piper. They had something to prove. And, Danny finally decided to put the team on his back. The rest, we know, is Final Four history.

This team needs something like that. We just don't have tough, hungry players. Someone above said our players clearly want to win. I don't know how you can see that. I see players who expect the other team to lose just because they're playing Kansas. I like to see players who expect and WANT to win!

February 25, 2008 at 7:42 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

RCKCHKJHWK92 (anonymous) says...

2008 NCAA tourney second round Midwest region

(2) Kansas 67
(10) Butler 70

Hawks: make it not so! find a fire, light a fire! now is not a good time for excuses. step it up! from all of us fans, maybe you can hear a collective, don't let it happen!

February 25, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

A lot of stuff to comment on:

KUShaw and jhawk7782, you are right on the mark in saying this team is beginning to be eerily reminiscent of 2004-2005. Let's hope they get it together and start picking up the intensity before we see a repeat of the disaster.

Woodberry, you are right on the mark in calling out Pitt. I find it especially amusing that he calls everyone else idiots and then proceeds to rip the refs--the oldest, lamest excuse in the book.

In fact, I have a suggested new name for pitthawker, jackhawk, and people of their ilk: I suggest we refer to them as sunshine freaks, as in no one should ever be allowed to criticize the 'Hawks, it should be nothing but sunshine and positive, cheerful comments, no matter how much the team might be playing like crap. In fact, there really should be a law against criticizing the home team. People should be locked up ... oh wait, there's this thing called freedom of speech. Never mind.

Smitty (and others), you're right that KSU is a key game, but I think at this point the ISU and aTm games are more of a key. Even if KU plays well and beats KSU, that doesn't mean as much as it might have before KSU's recent road losses (especially to Nebraska!). And it also doesn't mean as much since KU will be at home. But to show they can win a road game, especially against a tough team like aTm, will be much more meaningful right now.

AS for PJdeanwalk, yet another sunshine freak. In fact not only is he an sf, but he's also an idiot who doesn't understand what the term "fairweather fan" means. A fairweather fan is someone who only cares about and follows a team when they're playing well. That is in fact the opposite of what most of us are--people who passionately care about the team no matter HOW they're playing and will always care about what they do. As evidence of that, I went to every game at Allen during KU's last two losing seasons. I believe I've earned the right to not be called a fairweather fan.

Wats211 also deserves to be called out. Julian always had passion and the team should follow his lead??? The man who once in a while said it was time to go into "beast mode???" Are you kidding me???

Finally, truehawkfan, when you say that "KU is the most scrutinized basketball team (besides Kentucky) in the nation," I think you might be just a little biased. We're obviously in the top 10, and maybe even in the top 5. But I think fans of North Carolina, Duke and Indiana may have a strong case that they're scrutinized more, especially since UNC and Duke are in the east.

February 25, 2008 at 7:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BCRavenJHawkfan (anonymous) says...

I don't know if anyone else is watching the KSU - Texas game, but how the hell is it that KSU has the game of their lifetime against KU and now are throwing up brick after brick in this game?

February 25, 2008 at 8:51 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

Makes me sick to root for the kitty kats, but it would be huge if they could knock off Tehas. It would make Saturday's game that much better as well--and yes, I am looking ahead to that game because as a fan I am allowed to do that! =)

February 25, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CherryCreekHawk (anonymous) says...

I love smelling the "Jayhawk Gas" that this website puts out on a regular basis. As far as I can tell, the J-W people who cover KU hoops are simply arms of the KU sports information department. That's why I find it hard to give much, if any, credibility to what is found on this website.

Bearing that in mind, this KU team simply doesn't have it. As one who would like to see them do well, I just can't see how this team gets much farther than the Sweet 16. The season needs to be considered pre-KSU, when KU had confidence and a swagger, and post-KSU, when KU has lacked focus, spirit, and courage.

This is a great bunch of kids -- don't get me wrong. But winning the Big Dance? About as much chance as the Chiefs have of making the AFC championship game next January. Time to make plans for the last weekends in March and the first one in April. Not going to happen this year or next insofar as I can tell.

February 25, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

dek9219 (anonymous) says...

I said it before, I'll say it again. No team has ever won a National Championship with out at least one player averaging 16 pts. a game.

February 25, 2008 at 10:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ku98 (anonymous) says...

dek9219, you are dead wrong, and I think you were called out on this when you said it the first time.
Taurean Green was Florida's top scorer last year, with 13.3ppg.
The year before, Joakim Noah was Florida's top scorer, with 14.2ppg.
In 1998, Jeff Sheppard was Kentucky's top scorer, with 13.7ppg.
So, it has happened 3 times in the last 10 years.
Please stop posting stuff you just made up.

February 25, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

njjayhawk (anonymous) says...

KSU is a loser; a terrible show they put on tonight vs. Texas tonight. Walker pulled a disappearing act, and spent most of the game sulking about it -- real class, Bill. Outside Beasely, the rest of the Mildcats looked like bottom feeder players on a last place high school team. And the raving Frank Martin? Does anyone know if he sold his quota of used cars this week in his second job at the local used car dealership in Manhattan? Let's hope we put the final dagger in the Mildcats come Saturday night in Lawrence. If we don't, we will deserve to the NIT.

February 25, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CaramelMacchMan (anonymous) says...

Looks like Big 12 chase is over...

Texas schedule looks way to easier than KU's...

Good bye Big 12 title.. and prolly #1 seed.

February 25, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

FlaHawk (anonymous) says...

KU needs to focus on desire. The pressure is off. They will not win the Big XII regular season title (UT locked it up tonight in a gutty game). Might have a chance for tourney title game, if they get lucky. Probably a 2 or 3 seed in NCAAs (does not make a difference as long as they saty above a 4).

They have time to get there asses in gear for the NCAA.

Go Hawks!

February 25, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

ku_phog (anonymous) says...

We still have a shot at a one seed if we can win out in the regular season and most likely play and beat texas in the big 12 tourney.

Self will get these boys back on track. He will not let us have a major melt down nor will he allow any first or second round disasters happen in the NCAA's.

Rock Chalk

February 26, 2008 at 3:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

I think the 1 seed is out. Even if KU wins the Big XII tourney it won't matter. As was talked about here last year, the championship game in the Big XII is pretty much meaningless, as the brackets are usually set by that point. That's part of the problem of having the title game on the same day the picks come out, and in fact ending just an hour before the picks come out.

Combine that with KU's weak schedule and the fact that they're playing their worst at the end of the year, and it would not seem possible to get a 1 seed at this point.

February 26, 2008 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

discgav (anonymous) says...

worst screenplay

Someone needs to work with Kansas particularly Mario Chalmers - on its game-tying and game-winning shot attempts. Seriously, did anyone else notice how bad and unorganized the Jayhawks looked on their final possession in losses against Texas (72-69) and Oklahoma State (61-60)? After each defeat, Bill Self said the plan was to set a screen to free up a shooter such as Brandon Rush. Yet each time Chalmers got a case of tunnel vision and ruined the play. Next time a timeout may be the best option

Straight from Yahoo sports...

February 27, 2008 at 3:36 p.m. ( | suggest removal )