Originally published December 3, 2008 at 05:57p.m., updated December 4, 2008 at 12:51a.m.

Final: Taylor’s 23 points lead KU to 100-79 win

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pumps his fist after a bucket against New Mexico State during the second half Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor pumps his fist after a bucket against New Mexico State during the second half Wednesday, Dec. 3, 2008 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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Postgame: New Mexico State

The guys (Dugan Arnett, Jesse Newell) wrap up KU's 100-79 victory over New Mexico State. The two give their offensive and defensive grades, name their most valuable and least valuable players and talk about what they liked and didn't like from the Jayhawks in their 21-point win.

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Which team would win if they played each other?

  • KU's 2005 team (6 games in) 32% 173 votes
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Tyshawn Taylor scored a career-high 23 points, leading the Kansas Jayhawks to an 100-79 victory over the New Mexico State Aggies on Wednesday at Allen Fieldhouse.

Taylor went 8-for-14 from the floor, which included three dunks.

“Every single one of my teammates and the coaches said something to me about missing that dunk (on Monday), so I felt I just had to,” Taylor said.

Fellow guard Sherron Collins finished with 15 points and 11 assists. Cole Aldrich added 13 points and 13 rebounds.

KU struggled some in the first half, committing 11 turnovers while allowing the Aggies to make 50 percent of their shots (11 of 22) from the floor.

The Jayhawks also had foul troubles, as Aldrich, Markieff Morris and Marcus Morris all picked up two first-half whistles.

Despite having a smaller lineup, KU ended the half on an 11-4 run to take a 42-31 lead into the break.

The Jayhawks led by as many as 26 in the second half, and Matt Kleinmann hit a left-handed hook shot with 4 seconds left to push KU to 100 points. It was the 100th time KU had hit 100 points in its history and the seventh time it had happened in the Bill Self era.

KU scored 40 bench points, led by Tyrel Reed and Quintrell Thomas. Reed had 12 points, making 4 of 6 three-point attempts, while Thomas posted 10 points on 5-for-5 shooting. He also added seven rebounds in 17 minutes.

The Jayhawks made 24 of 37 shots in the second half (65 percent). The 24 second-half field goals were the most in a half for KU since the team made 24 in the first half of its Final Four victory against Marquette on April 5, 2003.

New Mexico State (2-2) was led by Jahmar Young, who had 17 points and four assists.

KU (5-1) will take on Jackson State at 1 p.m. Saturday at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas scoring

Tyshawn Taylor 23, Sherron Collins 15, Cole Aldrich 13, Tyrel Reed 12, Quintrell Thomas 10, Markieff Morris 8, Marcus Morris 6, Tyrone Appleton 4, Brady Morningstar 3, Conner Teahan 2, Travis Releford 2, Matt Kleinmann 2.

Collins also had 11 assists.

KU 100/NMSU 79 — FINAL

Taylor’s dunking everything now. On a cut to the basket, he finished with a one-hand, tomahawk slam, much to the delight of the KU fans. Looks like he’s got his “bounce” back to me.

The slam even inspired Markieff Morris, who in transition got up high enough to dunk it home.

Reed drained another three — his fourth of the game — and for the second straight contest, KU is pulling away late.

Off a missed airball by Aldrich, instant-offense Releford catches it in mid-air and puts it in for two.

Tyrone Appleton drive to the rim for two, and KU empties its bench with 1:18 left.

Appleton, on dribble penetration, puts another two off the glass and in.

Matt Kleinmann puts in a lefty hook off the glass in the final seconds, giving KU 100 and sending the fans home happy. The Jayhawks win convincingly, 100-79.

KU 83/NMSU 63 — 3:44 left in game

Markieff Morris shows he can throw an oop, lofting the ball from the top of the key to Aldrich inside for a slam.

Taylor follows with his own dunk, driving down the middle of the lane before throwing it down. He looked to the KU bench afterwards. Maybe someone told him he couldn’t do it.

Collins makes a nice pass inside, and Markieff Morris finishes with a layup.

That’s two good passes inside in a row for Collins, as a lob into Aldrich gets the big man two free throws. Aldrich hits both.

Taylor gets in on the rush of assists, throwing inside to Aldrich, who pivots a few times before rattling in a short shot.

KU 73/NMSU 57 — 7:55 left in game

Reed is left alone in the corner again, and he hits another trey. Best of all, he didn’t hesitate and shot with confidence. A few more of those should boost his playing time.

After a Reed rebound, Morningstar gets the ball to Thomas inside. Thomas gathered himself in the lane before putting in a baby hook for two.

Reed gets called for a cheap foul. Collins takes his mouthpiece out to settle him down: “You all right. You all right.”

Aldrich shows an NBA move against a double-team, reversing to his back shoulder before putting in an 8-foot fadeaway off the glass and in.

KU 66/NMSU 51 — 10:55 left in game

Taylor misses a three from the wing, but Aldrich is working hard inside and pulls down the offensive board before sticking it in for two.

Gordo Castillo drains a three from the corner, and KU’s lead is back down to eight. The Jayhawks haven’t defended the outside well tonight, and the Aggies are 7-for-16 from deep (44 percent).

After a Collins layup, Castillo is left alone in the corner again, and he hits another three. A displeased Self calls timeout with KU’s lead down to 58-51. The Aggies are 4-for-5 from three-point range in the second half.

A nice feed inside from Collins to Taylor, who finishes with a dunk.

Collins hits a three from the left wing, and after a Markieff Morris block, Reed swishes a three from the side against the zone.

KU 54/NMSU 43 — 15:28 left in game

Taylor spins a shot in on KU’s first possession. He couldn’t get any short shots to rattle in Monday, but tonight, everything seems to be falling.

Marcus Morris misses a 4-footer, but as is his style, he gets the points later on the same possession by tipping in an Aldrich miss.

Taylor goes way up to pull down a rebound on the defensive end, and he’s not letting go of it, ripping it away from a pair of NMSU defenders. Taylor took the rebound all the way to the other end, where he was fouled going up for a shot. He made one of two free throws.

Taylor is starting to take over offensively, as he drives baseline, leaps, brings the ball down to his waist before pushing it back up off the glass for a lay-in.

Gillenwater hits a three for NMSU, which won’t seem to go away. Aldrich gets an easy lay-in after receiving a lob pass inside.

Kansas scoring

Tyshawn Taylor 14, Sherron Collins 8, Quintrell Thomas 6, Marcus Morris 4, Brady Morningstar 3, Tyrel Reed 3, Conner Teahan 2, Markieff Morris 2.

KU was 15-for-34 in the first half (44 percent), while NMSU was 11-for-22 (50 percent). KU out-rebounded NMSU, 22-9.

The Aggies had 12 first-half turnovers, but the Jayhawks had 11 of their own.

KU should be in good shape for the second half by getting Aldrich and the Morrises all back on the floor after battling foul trouble. In all honesty, the Jayhawks were in survival mode late in the half with a small lineup, and they were still able to extend their lead from four to 11 in the final three minutes.

KU 42/NMSU 31 — Halftime

Big foul for NMSU, as Gillenwater picks up his third whistle on an offensive foul. The Aggies are already getting out-rebounded, 19-8, and the loss of their 6-foot-8 freshman won’t help.

KU hasn’t scored since the 6:47 mark, and another Jayhawks’ turnover gives NMSU an easy two.

Collins breaks the drought at the 2:34 mark, floating in a shot from the baseline before completing the three-point play with a free throw.

NMSU goes back to the zone and pays for it. Morningstar gets it inside, then delivers a bounce pass to Thomas for a dunk. The fans go wild, as they haven’t seen many dunks from big men other than Aldrich this year.

Gibson also picks up his third foul for NMSU, and he comes out. Taylor makes a pair of free throws, and KU’s up nine at 38-29.

NMSU forces another pass for a turnover, and on the break, Collins dances around a defender inside before putting in a layup.

Hamidu Rahman gets a driving layup and foul with 4 seconds left before missing the free throw. That proves costly for NMSU, which commits an over-the-back foul on the rebound.

Teahan makes both freebies, and KU takes 42-31 lead into the break.

KU 31/NMSU 25 — 3:53 left in 1st half

Taylor hits a pair of free throws. He’s up to 10 points just 12 1/2 minutes in.

Taylor follows with another two, arcing it high off the glass, but Troy Gillenwater hits a two and Jonathan Gibson gets a three in transition to cut KU’s lead to 31-25. Timeout KU.

The Jayhawks have gone with an extremely small lineup, with Morningstar at the four and Thomas at the five. It’s been tough to find scorers, even with Collins out there.

KU 27/NMSU 20 — 7:45 left in 1st half

Markieff Morris gets a layup off some fancy passing inside by the Jayhawks. The assist goes to his brother, Marcus.

Markieff Morris breaks open on a pick-and-roll, but his layup attempt is blocked from behind. The next possession, Markieff wraps a nice pass inside to his brother, who lays it in for two.

Releford checks in, but he immediately turns it over while trying to dribble in traffic. Markieff Morris is whistled for an intentional foul on Jahmar Young, but Young makes only one free throw and NMSU follows with an airball.

Conner Teahan has checked in. Self’s gone much deeper to his bench tonight as compared to the last few games. I don't think he’s happy with his team’s defense. Also, both Morris twins have two fouls.

KU 21/NMSU 12 — 11:19 left in 1st half

Quintrell Thomas gets some early minutes, and he immediately makes his presence known. He puts in a 14-foot jumper, and on the next possession, he follows a Collins three-point miss with an offensive rebound and lay-in.

Aldrich picks up his second foul at the 13:20 mark, and Self sends in a Morris twin to replace him.

NMSU hasn’t looked fazed so far. Most impressive is that the Aggies have made 4 of 7 shots (57 percent) in the earlygoing.

The Aggies go to a zone, and Collins penetrates to the middle before finding an open three from the side. This KU team attacks zones about as well as any team I can remember under Self.

After an NMSU turnover, Taylor finds Collins with a nice bounce pass in transition, and Collins drains the open three. Quick 6-0 run KU, which forces an Aggie timeout.

One of NMSU’s strengths coming in was its low turnover total, as the Aggies turned it over just 13 times per game. Eight minutes in, and the Aggies already have seven turnovers tonight.

KU 11/NMSU 5 — 15:32 left in 1st half

Taylor grabs the tip and immediately races to the basket, going up to slam it before softly dropping it in.

Collins gets a steal on the next possession, and his fast-break layup misses before Marcus Morris tips it in.

KU starts up full-court pressure, and Aldrich gets a steal in the back-court. Marcus Morris gets a nice pass inside, but instead of going up strong, he fades away from contact and misses an easy shot.

Taylor beats the shot clock with a finger-roll in the lane, and this time, his short shot bounces off the rim and in.

Taylor skies for a two over an NMSU defender, and on the other end, he bounces the ball off an Aggie out of bounds for a steal.

Morningstar, behind a screen, steps confidently into a three-pointer from the left wing and drains it. He’s now shooting better than 50 percent from beyond the arc.

7:04 p.m.

As expected, no changes in the starting lineup: Collins, Aldrich, Marcus Morris, Morningstar, Taylor.

6:55 p.m.

A few more fans in the northwest corner tonight, but still plenty of seats available. We'll see if that fills in before the night is over.

2005 vs. 2008

Record: 3-3 (2005) / 5-1 (2008)

Scoring: 76.8 ppg / 80.3 ppg

Points allowed: 62.5/ 59.5

Field-goal percentage: 46.6 %/ 47.1 %

Opposition FG percentage: 34.7 % / 34.4 %

Three-point percentage: 30.2 % / 34.1 %

Free-throw percentage: 71.8% / 71.4%

Rebounds per game:41.5/ 42.5

Assists per game: 17.0 / 16.7

Turnovers per game: 15.8 / 13.7

Blocks per game: 7.2/ 6.0

5:58 p.m.

Welcome back to The Newell Post Live, coming to you from Allen Fieldhouse where the Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the New Mexico State Aggies.

On Tuesday, KU coach Bill Self was asked to assess this year’s team compared to where he thought it would be at this point.

“We’re nowhere close to where we need to be,” Self said. “Certainly, we’re further along than what that team was three years ago at this same stage, I don’t think there’s any doubt about that. But that team had great room for growth. It remains to be seen if this team can play to that level at the end of the season (like) that team did.”

That made me think: What if this year’s team, six games into the season, played the 2005 team, six games in. Who would win?

Let’s look at the team stats from both teams through six games (the better team is bolded in the chart on the left; special thanks to KU men’s basketball sports information director Chris Theisen for the stats). Keep in mind, the 2005 team’s first six games were against Idaho State, Arizona, Arkansas, Chaminade, Nevada and Western Illinois. This year’s team has played UMKC, Florida Gulf Coast, Washington, Syracuse, Coppin State and Kent State.

A few quick observations.

• The 2008 team wins, 8-3, in the categories listed above.

• This year’s team, somewhat surprisingly, is much better offensively than the 2005 team through six games.

• I’m surprised that, even at 3-3, the 2005 team held opponents to 34.7-percent shooting. That’s lower than I would have guessed. The 2008 team has been playing great defense this year (KU was sixth nationally in field-goal percentage defense in the last Division-I rankings), yet the team is only percentage points lower than the 2005 squad.

Let’s look at the individual matchups:


Point guard

Russell Robinson (2005) vs. Sherron Collins (2008)

Robinson was a role player as a sophomore, averaging 6.5 points and 2.0 assists per game. Collins, meanwhile, is KU’s go-to guy this year, leading the team in scoring in five of six games. The junior is averaging 18.3 points and 3.8 assists per contest. Collins wins this battle easily. Advantage: 2008

Shooting guard

Jeff Hawkins (2005) vs. Tyshawn Taylor (2008)

Hawkins, like Robinson, was a good role player for KU. Though he didn’t score much (3.3 points per game), he led the team in assists through six games with 4.5 per contest. Taylor, meanwhile, is the quickest 2008 Jayhawk, and he seems to be improving each game. Taylor is third on the team with 10.2 points per game while also chipping in 2.7 assists and 1.5 steals per game. I’ll take Taylor in this one. Advantage: 2008

Small forward

Brandon Rush (2005) vs. Brady Morningstar (2008)

This isn’t as much of a mismatch as many fans would have thought a few weeks ago. Rush, still developing his game as a freshman, was second on the team with 13.7 points per game. He also had made 6 of his14 three-pointers (43 percent) and posted 5.3 rebounds per game. Morningstar has come on strong as of late, as he’s up to 8 points per game (fifth on the team), making 8 of 16 three-pointers (50 percent) to go with 2.7 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1.8 steals per contest. I still have to go with a raw Rush. Advantage: 2005

Power forward

C.J. Giles (2005) vs. Marcus Morris (2008)

Through six games in 2005, C.J. Giles looked to have star potential. He had a career-high 21 points against Chaminade (on 9-for-9 shooting) and was third on the team in scoring through six games, averaging 9.7 points to go with 7.5 rebounds. He also had made 27 of his 49 field-goal attempts (55 percent). Morris, meanwhile, looks to be blossoming into the inside presence that the Jayhawks need him to be. He’s fourth on the team in scoring, averaging 8.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game. His field-goal percentage (43 percent) and free-throw percentage (54 percent) have room for improvement, though, giving a slight six-game edge to Giles. Advantage: 2005


Sasha Kaun (2005) vs. Cole Aldrich (2008)

This is one of the toughest to call. Through six games in 2005, Kaun led the team in scoring with 14.5 points, though that total was a bit inflated by a career effort against Idaho State (25 points, 16 rebounds). He also was averaging 8.5 rebounds and was shooting 57 percent from the floor. Aldrich, meanwhile, might be the Division-I’s most improved player, taking over a leadership role for this year’s team. He’s averaged 14.8 points (second behind Collins), 10.0 rebounds (first on the team) and 2.8 blocks per contest. He also has made 58 percent of his shots and an impressive 89 percent of his free throws. Aldrich takes down Kaun in this battle of the big men. Advantage: 2008


Micah Downs, Mario Chalmers, Julian Wright, Christian Moody (2005) vs. Tyrel Reed, Travis Releford, Markieff Morris, Quintrell Thomas, Conner Teahan, Tyrone Appleton (2008)

Well, no one can say that Self didn’t have options off the bench in 2005. Two future NBA players (Chalmers, Wright) to go along with a talented Downs and a nice role player in Moody. Downs (7.2 ppg), Chalmers (7.2 ppg) and Wright (6.5 ppg) weren’t scoring much yet, but fans could start to see their potential. The 2008 KU squad has yet to develop that kind of depth, as Reed (5.8 ppg), Markieff Morris (5.2 ppg), Releford (5.2 ppg) and Thomas (1.8 ppg) still seem to be finding their roles on this team. Advantage: 2005

How would the game turn out? The 2005 team takes the early lead behind the hot shooting of Brandon Rush, and the 2008 squad looks to be in trouble after two early fouls from Cole Aldrich forces him to the bench. Sasha Kaun takes advantage with 10 first-half points, and the 2005 squad takes a 32-29 lead into halftime in a defensive struggle. Sherron Collins, however, starts to take over in the second half, and the 2005 squad struggles to find an answer defensively. Collins scores 18 of his game-high 23 points in the second half, and Aldrich hits 7 of 8 free throws down the stretch to lead the 2008 team to a six-point victory.

Prediction: 2008ers 71, 2005ers 65.


KUGreenMachine 11 years, 11 months ago

haha, this story is awesome. it's one that only interests one of us true diehard dorky ku fans...i'd have to agree with all points made in this assessment. good work mr. newell.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

ohhh Come on!! this is easy....2005 hands down!!

Tuskin 11 years, 11 months ago

I like this story, too - except that I pretty much disagree with the results of the statistical comparisons. It seems to me that the stats are very comparable, except I believe the 2005 team played a harder schedule. That suggests that, if they played this year's schedule, the 2005 team would have the better statistics.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

Then again Cole shows ups in his "Tenacious" avatar and say 2005 team .. Good bye!!! Good night.

jaybate 11 years, 11 months ago

After 42 OT periods, the 2005 squad wins as BRush drains from 30 feet with .0000025 seconds left.Actually, this 2008 team is better. I don't think people even begin to understand how good this years team is yet.

Jesse Newell 11 years, 11 months ago

In 2005, Arizona was No. 10 when KU played it and Nevada was No. 20, just for reference.KU played Syracuse this year, which is now No. 16 in one poll and No. 20 in the other.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

jaybateYeah i saw some good highlights during Syracuse game... but i'm still not convinced yet... I dont know who is our go to guy from 3 point line except Collins..I think we need another one.. Reed needs to be consistent...

Eurekahwk 11 years, 11 months ago

We are not talking the end of the year when Julian Wright 360 dunked on Tejas. We are talking six games into the season. We were 2-4, and Stephen Vinson was starting. We were getting owned by an ok Cal team to start the game. Rush hadn't done that much, so I'd say Morningstar is more comparable than you think. And I take both Morris guys over Giles at that point. This team is ahead of that one at this point.

justanotherfan 11 years, 11 months ago

The 2008 team wins, no contest. Let's look at the reality here. The 2005 team ended up having five guys drafted in the NBA. But only Rush was anticipated to be a lottery pick this early. No one could have envisioned Wright, Chalmers, Jackson, or Kaun playing in the League after that season. None of those guys was anywhere close to being League ready.This team has two legitimate NBA players on its roster - Collins and Aldrich. That makes all the difference in the world. Also, the 2008 team is deeper. The 2005 team had only 3 decent players off the bench. That was basically it for them, and Moody was a former walk-on with limited abilities. This team would beat the 05's because they have more star power and they have more depth. I had a friend that asked me in 2005 if that was the worst KU team in the last 15 years. I told him it wasn't, but the fact that someone would even think that is telling. While this team isn't like last years, no one can possibly believe this is the worst team of the last 15 years (I'd put the 2005-2006 team, the 2000-01 and 1999-2000 teams behind them). Just my thoughts.

Ben Kane 11 years, 11 months ago

love the story! nothing will shut up your naysayers like a KU vs KU dream matchup talk. I have to agree with jaybate though, except i'd say everyone falls to the floor by the 23rd overtime and the walk-ons decide the seriously, jaybate is right, this team is much better right now than I thought they'd be. Sky's the limit come February.

Robert Ramp 11 years, 11 months ago

Does anyone know if this game is being streamed? And if so, where?

zazy 11 years, 11 months ago

tony, i checked on a few web-sites and none that I found were streaming the game and no one on those message boards had any suggestions. All I could find was a radio feed from the lazer

kutodd 11 years, 11 months ago

yes, is there a way to watch this online like Monday night?

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

what!! we got a biased voting going on here!!!! 2005 team not even close on votes?

zazy 11 years, 11 months ago

I've been traveling for work and family since the week before thanksgiving and the sites that stream games have been saving me, but no one seemed to have this one for some reason

ARohrsAHawk 11 years, 11 months ago

The guy that streams the games on the U for us lives in Kentucky and doesn't get the regional KU games.. We need to find someone in Lawrence or KC that can figure out how to stream it for us jokers, I'm screwed in Chicago always have to watch Big 10 crap or turn on ESPN and get anything and everything UNC

yellowjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Are they doing the noise-o-meter tonight or whatever they call that thing?

Joe Joseph 11 years, 11 months ago

Man, I forgot that Jeff Hawkins started through 6 games. Also, has there ever been a bigger waste of potential than that of CJ Giles? That kid could have been the next Wayne Simien at Kansas. He was athletic and had range. Unfortunately, he also liked to abuse women.

yellowjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Do the Morris twins have a dunking phobia?

Jesse Newell 11 years, 11 months ago

The noise-o-meter was here, but only on the tipoff. It only hit a disappointing 90.

jayhawknoah 11 years, 11 months ago

does anyone know how i can see this game on the computer i dont have ESPN full court.

yellowjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Teahan needs to do good things from here on out.

Joe Joseph 11 years, 11 months ago

KU is allowing NMSU to stay in this game. Too many missed lay ups -once again- and some pretty sketchy defense.

rtjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Just got to watching the game, has Teahan been playing a lot this game?

milehighhawker 11 years, 11 months ago

can anyone please give me a link to a radio station that is playing the game. I always try but it always tells me that the media is full and I can never access it. Anyone listening elsewhere online?

NH_JHawk 11 years, 11 months ago

ugly, just plain ugly half of hoops. Taylor gets a pass as the sole bright spot with 14pts. the good news is that somehow we managed to stretch the lead back to 11 pts.

jayhawkgl 11 years, 11 months ago

late spurt encouraging, but i still feel like Sherron isn't playing as well as he should while the youngins are playing better than expected. Makes for a confusing feeling about these guys right now...

Jesse Newell 11 years, 11 months ago

Shows 9 minutes for Teahan. Honestly, it didn't seem like he was in there that long.

milehighhawker 11 years, 11 months ago

I always get the same thing. Says server is to busy. Anyone else have that problem?

NH_JHawk 11 years, 11 months ago

milehigh -yes it's happened to me. you gotta get in earlier or you get shut out.

Joe Joseph 11 years, 11 months ago

Jeezuz, NMSU can't miss in the second half. Play some defense please.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

Dave Amstrong goes "What is he doing ?" hahaha

rtjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Wow....Cole acting like a man this half.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

I'll take back whatever i said earlier on this article.......

rtjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

"Hey Cole, what did you do tonight?""Oh, you know, just got another double double. Puttin in work like Coach wants me too."

theno1kufan 11 years, 11 months ago

self needs to take the starters out and get them some rest

Joe Joseph 11 years, 11 months ago

I'm not sure I can remember a KU team that could give away so many points in a hurry, and then get them all back just as quick.

yellowjayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Does anyone else think the tv announcers are having the weirdest conversation? Can you really talk about Stop Day for 5 minutes?

Dirk Medema 11 years, 11 months ago cbb2k link was posted a few games ago, but they had another game tonight. They have a ton of streaming channels.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 11 months ago

NH_jHawkI agree with you there about ShamWOW but i'm officially starting a "Panormous" campaign.... hahaha

mlubyRN 11 years, 11 months ago

WOo hoo! GO KU! I loved that comparison. Its funny how the little nuances of that 05 team kinda slip away. I forgot that Hawkins started and CJ too. I agree, this team could be deeper than the 05 team later this year. They are off to a great start. I dont know about the difficulty of schedules between them after 6 games...seems pretty even to me at this point. Maybe the 05 team did have a slight edge there but over all this team now has it. Im thinkin another national title by 2010. Whose with me!!??

jaybate 11 years, 11 months ago

Could not get game feed.Sherronatron--bein' a particle, I guess, gettin' 15 the easy way, addin' 11 assists, accountin' for 37pts, bein' a manly particle.Quantum makin' like a photon packet again, scorin' 23 with efficiency, firin' for effect, but suckin' ;the hind teat on the triceratop sow, are ya happy now ya didn't follow Crean to Indy? What? Did our bigs learn how to block out? 42-17! Do they play without backboards down in road runner country or somethin'? Marvin, Marvin, tell me what's going on?Tyrell--Trinitizing, 4 for 6, Firin' em in from downtown Burlingame!!!Cole--dealin' with adversity, bouncin' back big on the second half of the clip.Quintrell--shakin' the ball'o'confusion, comin' out like a man, scoring efficiency, glassvac effciency, see his minutes start risin' again.Morris Twins--14 pts and 8 reebs, not quite where we need to be out of the 4, got to keep the reebs in double figures.Brady--kinda quiet, puttin' on the glue, lettin' the kids have some fun, old man checkin' his cholesterol till he's really needed.Conner T--gettin' 11 minutos, not takin' any threes, showin' the coach the floppy haired one can do the glue thing, good for Conner, he may have gotten himself off dead man walkin' duty, may live to trey again some day soon.Free Throws--likin' the 88 percent, thinkin' this team is gonna win 3-5 games because of good charitizin', dreamin' big dreams for this bunch...hopin' the next game is on the tube.

Eurekahwk 11 years, 11 months ago

People have amnesia if they say the 05 team is better at this point. Everyone already wanted our beloved coach put on the chopping block after what had just transpired against Bucknell eight months earlier. The 3-4 start had all the loyal fans ready to form a lynch mob.

rockchalkin54 11 years, 11 months ago

jaybate are you trying to make a comment about Tyrel's hometown? 'Cause it's Burlington, not Burlingame.

Dr. Robert s. Mosser 11 years, 11 months ago

I must have missed something but the "Kansas Victory over Syracuse in the 2003NCAA" didn't get into the record book that way. I seemed to remember a last shot attempt by Hinrich for 3 points being blocked by Syracuse and KU lost. Believe the writer of tonight's lead story should be more up on facts from the past.

Dale Kroening 11 years, 11 months ago

Against Syracuse in 2003 Mike Lee was the one who took the three and was blocked by Hakeem Warrick.

Jesse Newell 11 years, 11 months ago

Good catch. It's Marquette. I saw it right and typed it wrong.And cap10d is correct.

kvskubball 11 years, 11 months ago

The comparison to the 05-06 club is a good one. In 05 Simien, Miles, Langford, and Giddens had all left. Leaving the only leadership to come from Moody, Vinson, and Hawkins. Kaun, Jackson, and Robinson had been non-factors to this point, and the new kids were very out of sync.I think the big difference between the two is in leadership, the 05 leaders were talent-limited and so they had a difficult time "leading" the newcomers. Whereas the 08 leaders (Cole and Sheron) are much more talented and are doing a much better job of leading the younguns, even with their growing pains.I also think that the 08 group of youngsters is way ahead of the 05 group. Perhaps the Canada trip helped more than it seemed. This year's group is way better offensively at this point, foibles and all.The question is, as Coach said, whether this group has the kind of upside the 05 group showed by yearend? Where do I see the most improvement coming from if there is upside? The twins are a good place to start. They are talented but act like they have AD (Attention Deficit) on the basketball court, sometimes. Mario Little we haven't even seen yet, so he may (Or may not) be a source of positive growth. Personally, I think, if he is as talented as his hype says he is, then it is a good bet he will be a big plus. Note that his game (We are told) is different than Brady's, more physical, less of an outside gun!? Travis Releford? I'm puzzled on him. obviously he's currently odd-man out. I think he has the talent, but seems to need to improve his game (Or prove it to Coach) to break through to some meaningful PT. I think he just needs to keep working and believe that his time will come (I think he is in a position like Jax was, too many bodies at his position). I think Coach expects him to step up or he would have been asked to redshirt. I hope he doesn't get overly discouraged at Coach's high expectations, and limited first-year PT like Alex Galindo and Micah Downs did. It seemed obvious from the start that there were too many guards, it was only a question of who would get shutout. So far, the experience of Brady and Tyrel has trumped any talent and "Potential" advantage that Travis and Tyrone may have.

kvskubball 11 years, 11 months ago

Most importantly, for this team to exceed the 05 group over the entire season, Cole and Sheron must continue to grow in their leadership roles and polish the rough spots in their own games. Cole needs to stay out of foul trouble and learn to score from awkward positions down low, as he will often feel like he is suffocating. Sheron needs to work on being steady. He's great when he is in control and focused. I think they will both improve. So, WOW!Oh, you might say, well what about Tyshawn? What can I say? He is improving each game. He's got a little Mike in him, yes that Mike... you know Air Something ;-) He seems to be the only one that has the upside that Julian had. And I won't forget QT either, he is showing a steadiness lacking in the other younkers (Man I really think somehow we cloned Jax, or at least his karma). But at the same time the 05 group didn't have a Cole or a Sheron on it!! Good, good , and more good, diamonds in the rough!!!!I think Coach is probably sleeping like a babe in swaddling clothe this year, with visions of sugar plums dancing in his head, to the tune of the Little Drummer Boy...

Sparko 11 years, 11 months ago

I think the missing intangible is Little. And really, Giles and Downs did nothing but hurt the '05 team. They were very erratic. I don't see that kind of downside on the Kansas bench this year. Chalmers was an extraordinarily fast and talented defensive player. Releford could be a Rush with patience and work. This is a fine team--I like having a Morningstar and a Reed out there hustling too. By year's end, talent will be on the floor spelled by hustle. Right now, it is the Vinson time--leadership, grit, and floor burns. The kids of 2005 benefited GREATLY from Vinson and Hawkins' leadership and hustle. Sherron is that type of player as well. Fun to watch the development.

Drew Bender 11 years, 11 months ago

In 2003, Mike Lee's shot was blocked by Hakeem Warrick but the ball went out of bounds with a little bit of time left... Kirk Hinrich was the one who took the very last heave... People remember Mike Lee's shot because Hakeem Warrick seemed to come out of nowhere to get the block to save the game

jaybate 11 years, 11 months ago

rockchalkin54,be makin' a mistake there, mistakin' Burlingame for Burlington, not meanin' to do it, thankin' the rockchalk54 for the correction, maybe should have said, "Firin' 'em from a boat on John Redmon!

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