Rave recruiting

NFL Draft success should attract even more recruits

Posted Tuesday, April 29, 2008

So few high school football players, even those recruited by Div. I programs, ever make it to the NFL. Given that, in the ideal world, factors such as academic and social opportunities should take precedence when student-athletes make their college decisions.

Often, that isn’t the case. Regardless of whether it should have any influence in the minds of recruits, the fact Kansas University had four players chosen in the weekend’s NFL Draft ought to make for more fruitful recruiting.

“A lot of times, high school kids, they’re shopping around to find out what programs put a lot of guys in the NFL and that type of thing,” KU coach Mark Mangino said. “I believe that’s a mistake. I don’t care where you’re at, you have to want to put time and effort into making yourself a better player. Being around good quality coaches, strength coaches who know how to develop players, certainly helps, but what you put into it is what you get out of it.”

Just for fun, assign a point value to each draft choice, based on the round in which the player was chosen. Eight points for a first-round selection, six for a second, five for a third, four for a fourth, three for a fifth, two for a sixth and one for a seventh.

Based on that point system for the just-completed draft, Texas ranks first among Big 12 schools with 23 points. Kansas and Oklahoma are tied for second with 18 points, Texas A&M ranks fourth with 17 points, Colorado fifth with 12 points, followed by Missouri and Nebraska (eight points each), Kansas State (seven) and Iowa State (five). No players from Baylor, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech were selected.

“I don’t know how much of an impact it will have (on recruiting),” Mangino said. “I think it will have some. A lot of kids have aspirations of playing in the NFL. It goes with the complete package. I’ve always said we offer a great education. We’re in a great community. We’re close to Kansas City. You can get in and out of the airport fast. And we’ve always said we’re going to be a winning program. We’re moving in that direction. The next step is, kids want to know how many NFL players we have, so it helps.”

None of the four Kansas draft selections — Aqib Talib, Anthony Collins, Derek Fine and Marcus Henry — came to Kansas as a recruit rated highly by services. During recruiting visits, Kansas coaches now can show off how much those players developed and convince more highly recruited players that the ceiling can be even higher for them.

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Posted by plasticJHawk (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 6:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I liked how the first round got 8 and then after that it went 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. That puts us above Texas A&M who actually had 1 more player drafted than we did.

But really, that these guys were drafted speaks volumes about Mark Mangino's coaching staff. Kids should look at that number.

Posted by mvjayhawk (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

the last paragraph in the story tells it all. Not highly recruited players (for Talib it came down to Wyoming or us) and they all developed and got into this position. What does that say for the kind of coaching that Mangino emphasizes? Player development....it's really where it's at, for a program like Kansas. And just think if he ever starts to get consistent 4* level talent....good grief, the sky's the limit! Great job by MM and his staff.....let's just keep 'er goin.

Posted by tomike (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 8:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MR Keegan, I have to say that you are very stubborn by keeping using "Kansas University" instead of "The University of Kansas", no matter how many people have pointed it out. Have you ever heard "Missouri University" (MU), "Texas University", "California University", "Tennessee University", .... It seems you are not only uneducated, but also stubborn. You do not really respect KU IMO.

Posted by kylecisnum1 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

why does it freakin matter tomike. does crap like that really matter in an article about FOOTBALL? you've gotta be joking picking something as stupid as that to complain about.

Posted by fihsch (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 10:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, the initial KU goes better with "Kansas University." Who wants to be UoK?! nip pick.

Posted by peter56321 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fihsch, The initials follow the proper name, not the other way around. KU is AN abbreviation for The University of Kansas (furthermore, "university" should only be capitalized if it is part of a PROPER noun--which Kansas University is not--thus it is grammatically incorrect also). I've seen this disgusting disrespect in other World of Journal articles so I suspect this decision comes from higher up than Mr. Keegan. But it still fills me with rage that the city where KU sits can't (or won't) use its proper name.

Posted by rockchalk_dpu (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tomike, The reason that Keegan as well as every other journalist on this site uses the phrase "Kansas University" rather than "The University of Kansas" is because of the space it saves when put into print. This obviously does not affect space when we are reading the article online, but when it comes out in the LJW in print, it is obviously a crunch for space. While it seems minute, the 8 characters and spaces that are saved by typing Kansas University are huge in a journalistic sense where space matters. Hope you understand now.

Posted by wcormode (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

These comment sections seem to have gotten very negative. If people do not like the LJW writers then maybe you should read the news on a different website.

http://goallineblitz...

Posted by peter56321 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rockchalk_dpu,
That argument is absurd--whether it is legitimate or not. The savings amounts to 1 space and 2 letters. This is insignificant over the course of an entire article. Furthermore, my limited research could find NO examples of this at other schools. For example, you won't find the Lexington Herald-Leader refer to its school as "Kentucky University" and The University of the Pacific is never "Pacific University." Also, The University Daily Kansan, the Kansas City Star, and even the New York Times always refer to us as the "University of Kansas." Nope. ONLY the World of Journal gets this wrong.

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on April 29, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what a peculiar thing to quibble over!

for those of you who use your comments only to find fault with the use of "Kansas University", you leave yourselves open to the criticism of giving NO consideration to the substance of the article, and therefore fault can be found with you as well.

Furthermore, acceptable language evolves over time. Like it or not, even words like "ain't" which are clearly substandard English, become part of the lexicon because of prevalence of usage. If "Kansas University" does as well, so be it. I don't care how it started. If you haven't observed from the use of the Trajan font lately, things are bound to change. "Kansas University." "The University of Kansas." "TO-MA-TO." "TO-MAH-TO."

Keegs, good article! The prevalent reality is what it is with regard to kids being lured by successful placement of players in the NFL. If they come to Kansas for that reason, they will receive a good education you can be sure...because Mangino emphasizes it. Ending up here, for whatever reason they do, will certainly benefit their futures.

Posted by peter56321 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

1972rossj,
1. The article (aside from getting the name of my school wrong) was adequate. Happy?
2. Last time I checked, criticizing the article for getting the name of the school wrong is commenting on the substance. What if the World of Journal always referred to our head coach (or coach head) as Mangino of Mark? Or Self Bill? I assure you, proper names are part of the WHO, what, WHERE, when, why, and how of journalism. And the University of Kansas is a proper name. Check your diploma. Or, if you don't have one, you can go to the Kansas Board of Regents website for the proper names of all Kansas Board of Regents schools.
3. Tomato, Tomato is a matter of pronunciation. And I've never seen the world "ain't" in a legitimate newspaper outside of a direct quote. There are still some standards.

Posted by kackley (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 12:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU not Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, U of K.

Posted by peter56321 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kackley,
It's not Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, Kansas University, either. Go to any official Board of Regents or University of Kansas website and find the phrase "Kansas University." You will fail. You will, however, find "the University of Kansas" and "KU"--the abbreviation for the University of Kansas.

Posted by wcormode (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How in the world is KU the abbreviation for The University of Kansas? Can I write an article about the Social Security Administration and call it A@@, no it is abbreviated SSA.

Whomever first abbreviated The University of Kansas as KU opened up this can of worms not Keegan.

Posted by calwanbaker (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While not a graduate of KU, but a life-long Jayhawk fan, and therefore perhaps not qualified to comment on the correct name of the university, never-the-less, I'll jump in. The University of Kentucky is initialed UK, and is therefore distinct from KU. I've long heard tv and radio announcers refer to 'Kansas University'. It may not be correct, but it is common usage, and people recognize who it is referring to, and frankly, as JRoss said earlier, I don't care as long as they do well.

Posted by jross1972 (Johann Ross) on April 29, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shakespeare is on my side...

"...a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

Peter: Quibbling over how "KU" is used is NOT substantive. Not in any way, shape or form. An interesting discussion, perhaps; but one that is not germane to any of Keegan's points. Oh, and your cynicism is noted but as it does not add any thrust to your point-of-view, it's dismissed.

Posted by okjhok (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Speaking of the draft, check this out. Quite interesting, and surprising. Who would have thought Bowman wouldn't get drafted after he torched KU a couple years ago.

http://collegefootba...

Posted by JBurtin (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy crap you people are nerds.

Football, remember, football.

Isn't that the reason you came to read the article?

Posted by wcormode (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only reason to look at these comments is to argue with the idiots.

Posted by JJHawq (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"fills me with rage"

You have a flocked up perspective on life if that actually is enough to fill you with rage...

holy moly!

Posted by kranny (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the debates on this site are funny as hell.

Posted by kranny (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 9:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of the debates on this site are ridiculously humorous.

Posted by kranny (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry about the repeat. I didn't think my first post went through.

Posted by TaCityHawkFan (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Holy hell!!!

The University of Kansas = Kansas University

It doesn't matter! They are the same thing. If you insist on arguing that It is properly "The University of Kansas" then you must also insist that it is UK... go to Kentucky, we do not want you here. You can see how absurd my arguement is. Grow up and go to class... you might learn somethin'!

Posted by jhawkdan42 (anonymous) on April 29, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I came on here to get fired up for football season and see this nonsense! Some of you REALLY need to get a life.

Posted by jaybirdy68 (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Here is a little nostalgia about Talib coming to KU.

http://www2.kusports...

Posted by Jacobpaul81 (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That's cause the Lawrence Journal World & Topeka Capital Journal have awful Sports Writers. Period. They deserve everyounce of flak that they get.

I'm with several of the people being torched. Yes, it's fine in modern english to use a word like "ain't. However, when using proper nouns, using the correct noun is important. In this case, Kansas University is not a school. It doesn't exist. There is no Kansas University anywhere in the united states. You won't find it. If I was doing an information search at a library, and I chose to search for Kansas University, I would not find any information.

That's why it's important to call it by it's name. Information is already screwed up enough. We don't need journalists walking around, mucking it up more. The University of Kansas is a school, and a fine one, that I'm proud to have graduated from. The University of Kansas. Not Kansas University.

Posted by ohioburg (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Rockchalk_dpu, if it were about space then writers can just use “Kansas”. Don’t worry, in the context it is written, readers will know the writer means the school and not the state. Also, since it’s an online article, space is not an issue.

Posted by jhawkclassof02 (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree. On TV and Radio what you'll hear most often is neither University of Kansas nor is it Kansas University. Personally I graduated from The University of Kansas, and I don't like this whole Kansas University BS that the World Company (my former employer) uses. If I had any say in it, I would prefer simply that in the context of athletics that if necessary it simply be shortened to "Kansas". Lets try it, just like they do on TV. "Kansas with the ball at their own 20". "Touchdown, Kansas", or "Kansas wins the NCAA Mens Basketball National Championship". If its on the sports page, and it says "Kansas" we'll know what you're talking about.

Posted by JBurtin (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, this debate actually kept going.

If winning an argument this retarded is actually important to you, then you should probably consider switching to decaf.

The LJW sportswriters are fine. It wouldn't matter who was writing the stories, you could dig up William Allen White, reanimate his body, and have him write stories, and you knuckleheads would still be quibbling over minutia.

Quit being so gay and talk about football for once.

Posted by FlaHawk (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kegs,

Like the sytem, but would like you to compare conferences to see where the real talent is coming from. I don't think it is the Big XII. Perhaps Big XII is 3rd or 4th of the BCS conferences!

Posted by fabio (anonymous) on April 30, 2008 at 10:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

FlaHawk-did anybody ask you? Please dont speak again. Last I checked 4 out of the Top 10 in the final rankings were in the Big 12. I read your comment and my eyes got big, then I saw it was you that wrote it and went, "oh, its just that idiot flahawk"

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