Friday, September 28, 2007

Mayer

Mayer: K-Staters aren’t so bad

By Bill Mayer

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My favorite aspect about the Kansas-Kansas State athletic rivalry? There are enough flip-flop alumni and friends, dual loyalists, in the two camps that seldom does this linkup produce the ugliness and bitterness we've seen too often in the KU-Missouri alignment.

KU and K-State people generally have a lot more fun with their athletic gambols than people in most rivalries. That tends to lessen unacceptable muckerism. Sure, there were the touchy times when Phog Allen of Kansas and Jack Gardner of KSU squared off beyond the court. KU's Pepper Rodgers and State's Vince Gibson spawned some bad blood when Vince turned in KU because he found that Pepper's daddy had been involved in recruiting a kid. Vince really rankled Pepper when he swooped in one morning in 1967 and signed three Lawrence High football stars right under the beak of the head Jayhawk - Ken White, Dave Oberzan and Ron Mann.

There have been campus raids, mascot snatches, vandalism, official edicts about expulsion if such continued. Some Internet stuff is vile, demented. But generally behavior has been pretty sane, though intense.

My theory: Things are more enjoyable because so many KSU grads live and contribute so much in the Lawrence area while innumerable KU people do likewise in Manhattan. Neighbors like that tend to create respect and lessen the chances for boorish behavior.

I have no data on Jayhawks in Wildcat country, but I've been blessed to know countless K-Staters here who have done so much for so long. We all boast and bicker, but we understand it's "just a game" and get along pretty damned well.

Cynthia and Andy Galyardt quickly come to mind as longtime positive input folks about KU and K-State. Like many, they cheer for KU except when it's going against their Purple Pride. Andy can show up at one event wearing KU stuff and then another featuring KSU regalia. "The guy's a damned cross-dresser!" one observer bemused. We see a lot of that around here.

The late Warren and Beverly Hornsby were K-State royalty with KU loyalty. And how can anyone top the "immigrant" contributions of the Bradley family?

Bill and Beverly Bradley got the Bradley veterinary clinic going here 50 years ago this summer. Bill was a tremendous school board member; Bev had a fine career as a county commissioner. Sons John (now the vet king), Phil, Roger and Kent have been outstanding kids and adults in these parts.

What about Ross Beach and wife? Unlimited vital input all over the area and state. KSU Extension people such as Trudy Rice, Bill Wood and the inimitable Earl Van Meter are 'Cats who also love Jayhawks. Stan Larson and Roy Cropp who taught so many of our kids for so long and so well lean toward Purple sunsets.

I'm embarrassed that I just offhand don't recall more such names, like dentist Les Miller and architect David Livingood, on and on to productive, contributive infinity.

KSU alumni officials say there are some 2,300 of their faithful dwelling in our parts. It's at least that, and we're so blessed to have them, same as Manhattanites will tell you all Jayhawks aren't bad (even though I might have trouble convincing veterinarian Don Musil and daughters Erin and Katie).

Rodney King asked, "Can't we all just get along?" even if he couldn't. KU and K-State people will respond with "Hell, yes, and darned well!" to the benefit of two key communities of Kansas.

Comments

okjhok (anonymous) says...

I don't completely disagree with the lighthearted muses of Mayer in this piece, but it certainly challenges my own feelings concerning this rivalry. Yeah, I probably dislike Mizzou a little more than K-State...but not by much. I had friends that went to Manhattan while I was at KU, and when it was game week, it was on, period. And I liked it that way. I get sick of hearing "...it's only a game." That has very little meaning to me. Yes, it's only a game, and that week the game takes place, it's the only thing that matters! And that's the fun of it. For me, that's what it's all about. No, I don't hate anyone. "Can't we all just get along?" Not during game week.

September 28, 2007 at 8:53 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

okjhok (anonymous) says...

Oh yeah, when I see cross-dressers of this variety, it makes want to throw up! That's pathetic, and in the worst taste.

September 28, 2007 at 8:56 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

well, let's look at it from this standpoint ...

both schools are in-state, increasing the likelihood of family members have attended both, I can think of a couple examples in my closest circle of friend where one sibling went to one, one sibling to the other ...

Missouri is out-of-state, so this is less likely ...

Also, when you figure in the historical nature of the Kansas/Missouri rivalry, Quantril, John Brown, etc. a lot of that bubbles just under the surface, thus making it more intense. I for example refuse to drink Budweiser because it is made in Missouri.

/my wife and I met at KU, I cannot imagine being married to a K-State or Mizzou grad, it just boggles my mind!

September 28, 2007 at 9:15 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

klong (anonymous) says...

I hate 'em both, but Mizzou much more as well. I have a lot of family that went to K-State and have had to hear all about their football for the last ten years at holidays. So its been great for last couple years. If KU wins this year they probably won't even want to talk to me! lol

Tear those goal posts down! Remember 1994!

September 28, 2007 at 9:28 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

ohioburg (anonymous) says...

I'm a KU grad, most of my brothers and sisters went to K-State. One has degrees from both schools. It's more than "just a game" but it is a game.

Leave the goal posts up - expect to win.

September 28, 2007 at 10:04 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

reed449 (anonymous) says...

ARE YOU KIDDING. KU LIKES TO LEAVE THE KSU MARCHING BAND AT THEIR STADIUM FOR 3 HOURS AFTER GAMES. REVENGE WILL BE BROUGHT ON SATURDAY OCTOBER 6TH. KU BUSSES ARE GOING TO BE PARKED IN FREAKING GOODLAND!!!!!!!

September 28, 2007 at 10:08 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jaminrawk (anonymous) says...

HI I'M REED449. I'M SO ANGRY THAT I WENT TO K-STATE THAT I HAVE TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!

September 28, 2007 at 10:12 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

jman18562 (anonymous) says...

Oh... no... the poor KSU marching band! Don't worry reed449! As soon as I get done clipping my toenails and creating my own homemade greeting cards I'll write Lew Perkins and tell him of your griefs! I would hate for some nerdy zit faced fat wildcat student, let alone the "marching band," sit on the steps of the best University in the state. That would be just "oh so terrible!" You're right, they don't deserve the honor of those 3 hours... It's probably the best of their college experience!

September 28, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jimmy_Dean (Alan Halvorsen) says...

ohioburg- I DO EXPECT to tear those goal posts down! I only tear down after we win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iHKgl...

September 28, 2007 at 10:52 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

yes ... remember 1994!!

What's up with the KSU marching band being on campus for three hours, wha?

September 28, 2007 at 11:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

leikness (anonymous) says...

Dual Loyalist should be burnt at the stake.....

September 28, 2007 at 11:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

leikness (anonymous) says...

Oh wait, my mom's a dual loyalist....sorry mom.

September 28, 2007 at 11:29 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

leikness (anonymous) says...

klong - where are you from? I tend to think that people from Lawrence or KC tend to dislike MIZZOU more, and those of us from Central/Western KS tend to dislike KSU more. I didn't even really know about the missouri rivalry until I went to school at KU.

September 28, 2007 at 11:39 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

fabio (anonymous) says...

I think it depends on where in the state you live. The Lawrence/KC area is Mizzou. West of that, its K-State. I grew up in central and western Kansas so K-State is a bigger rival to me. Watching them teardown our goalpost in 94 really sealed the deal.
ohioburg-Im not tearing those goalposts down to show my suprise at our win. Im avenging one of the worst days of my childhood. I guess you might call me a vigilante of sorts.
Most K-Staters that Ive known are nice people, but extremely arrogant about their football team. If I ever saw a Mizzou fan mixing it up with a K-State fan, I wouldnt hesitate to crush the tiger fan.

September 28, 2007 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

actorman (anonymous) says...

All I can say is that I've been to three games in Manhattan and nearly got into a fight (through no (okay, mostly no)) fault of my own at all three of them. There may be some dual loyalists and cross-dressers out there, but I still think the majority of KSUck fans are desperately jealous of KU and can't stand the fact that they're inferior in virtually every category.

That being said, Mizzou will always hold a "special" place in my .......

September 28, 2007 at 12:17 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

oldalum (anonymous) says...

What are you thinking--tearing down the goalposts at an opponent's field is really dumb. Guaranteed to cause a terrible brawl and make KU look VERY bad. How many comments have I heard on the board from people who say "classless KSU" because they tore down our goal post in 1994. Oh, I see. You don't want them to win the classless title.

September 28, 2007 at 1:06 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

I had a shot at the best punking of the K-State crowd and totally wiffed on it!

once upon a time ... *your monitor ripples*

You all remember how K-State used to have a cannon they fired off when they scored a touchdown, in the early to mid-'90s ...

The fraternity that supervised that was the counterparts to MY fraternity at KU. Anyway, I went to grade school with one of the guys on the "cannon crew" and he took me into the game with them in 1995.

So the lone KU score was too fast after K-State had scored, believe me ... if they hadn't been in the middle of reloading the cannon, I TOTALLY would have fired it off after the KU touchdown!!!! (a push button ignition)

I probably would have gotten my @$$ beat, but it sure as heck would have been worth it!!!

/funny story as to how they obtained that cannon if anyone wants to know ...

September 28, 2007 at 1:13 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

I have a feeling you are going to tell us anyway, sevenyear, so fire away :)

September 28, 2007 at 1:19 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

Hands down, Mizzou is our chief rival and is a school of little or no redeeming qualities. The football rivarly is actually a rivarly. And even though we are far superior in basketball they always seem to play their best against us. If Mizzou could play a whole season with the same intensity they play against us they might actually make it to the dance. I grew up in the KC area following the Chiefs and Royals. The suburbs of KC on the Kansas side are just as much a part of metropolitan Kansas City as the rest of the area. I can't go so far as to be so anti-Missouri that I won't drink Budweiser (I don't drink Budweiser because it is foul tasting beer, not because it's brewed in Missouri). I am only anti-Mizzou. I'm okay with the rest of the state.

K-State is more like that annoying kid who befriended your little brother. During most of the Snyder era it wasn't much of a contest and for most of the history prior to Snyder it also wasn't much of a contest. If it's an actual rivarly it's only been a good one for the last few seasons. And of course in basketball we own them so it's hard to dislike a team that rarely beats you. They may hate us but I don't really dislike them much more than any of our other conference opponents. I could share bar space with someone from K-State but to do that with a Mizzou person would just feel dirty.

September 28, 2007 at 1:44 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

haha ...

they "obtained" it from a local farmer in the late '70s/early '80s, he used it to summon his cows in from the fields, not sure exactly how that worked ...

so he comes to a game one weekend, and says: uh, boys ... that's MY cannon! He was actually real cool about it, he took his cannon back, but had a mold made so they could produce a replica.

They were briefly suspended from campus after someone put the cannon on a rival fraternity's front porch, loaded it with nails, and blew the front door to smithereens!

Alcohol, firearms and frat boys is never a good mix! :D

September 28, 2007 at 1:49 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

"If I ever saw a Mizzou fan mixing it up with a K-State fan, I wouldnt hesitate to crush the tiger fan."

I would just clunk both their heads together 3 stooges style, but that's just me...

And seattlehawk, are you serious--Budweiser a foul tasting beer!!!????
Surely, you jest. In my opinion, Bud heavy is one of the only things that the state of Misery has done right in it's existence. I don't really care too much for Bud Light, but Bud original is fantastic!

September 28, 2007 at 2:05 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

That's a great story, sevenyear! Do you know why they don't fire it anymore after scores?

p.s. I was at that game you almost pulled your stunt. Had you been able to, we could still be laughing about it today, and it would have taken some of the sting out of the woodshed beating we received.

September 28, 2007 at 2:16 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

fabio (anonymous) says...

sevenyear-If you would of done that you would of gone down in history. Halarious.

September 28, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

you know, some of you probably think I make this stuff up ... I'm like Forrest Gump, I just happen to be in the right place at the right time!! :D

Could you begin to IMAGINE the fans' reaction to the cannon being fired after a KU touchdown?!?!?!?

That truly would have been a story for the ages -
and I'd probably only now be learning to walk again!! ;)

***

They don't fire it anymore because that chapter of my fraternity left campus in the late '90s, low membership ... we actually approached them about transferring it to KU to use at OUR games ...

I think it has since been turned into a statue (meaning filled with cement) and sits outside of the stadium somewhere ... you all keep an eye open for it. Look for a fraternity crest on the back part of the handle ...

September 28, 2007 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

Sevenyear, I am beginning to think now I noticed you in pictures of every major historical event that has taken place in the US in the last couple of decades, displaying your Beak 'Em hand gesture ;)

September 28, 2007 at 3:23 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

hahahahaha!

Tex, you're too much!

actually, here IS a pic of me with someone near and dear to us all: http://www.myspace.com/sevenyearhawk

September 28, 2007 at 3:40 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jayhawktriplegrad (anonymous) says...

Of course lots of K-State grads moved to Lawrence. Isn't it everyone's goal to better themselves in life? And by the way, K-State provides more transfer students to KU than any other KS institution except JOCO Comm Coll.

September 28, 2007 at 4:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

Too bad the internet nazis here at work have blocked out MySpace and YouTube. I still haven't had a chance to check out Jimmy Dean's YouTube link.

September 28, 2007 at 4:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jimmy_Dean (Alan Halvorsen) says...

Old- I've not seen one person say that, and I've been using this site for quite a while. The goal post is going down!

http://www.youtube.c...

September 28, 2007 at 4:15 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

phooey Tex ...

September 28, 2007 at 4:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jimmy_Dean (Alan Halvorsen) says...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iHKgl...
That last one didn't work.

"Tex.....well I don't remember where Tex from"- Forrest Gump.

Picture this scene, we are about to win the game....All the KU faithful are gathering close to the field to take the goal post! Also the K-State fans are gathering too to try and stop us from tearing down their post. As soon as the game ends, its gonna be a big brawl. Us trying to take it, and them trying to stop us.
"We'll see you at the goal post"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFQIuF...

September 28, 2007 at 4:39 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

I know, sevenyear.

J_D, we are going to be so far ahead by the end of the game, most of the KSU fans will already be drowning their sorrows at Last (fat)Chance or (un)Lucky Brew Grill. The KU fans will outnumber them at that point.

September 28, 2007 at 4:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

I LOVE IT, Tex!

September 28, 2007 at 4:55 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

I don't want to start a beer thread bmcmich1, but I find Budweiser, Coors, Miller, et al only slightly better than water. If you're ever in Seattle ask for a Mac & Jac, Redhook, or Hales. You'll never go back to Bud.

Actually, maybe a beer thread is what we need since it is a bye week.

September 28, 2007 at 5:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

Seattle, if you haven't already done so, try one of the Boulevard offerings the next time you are back in the KC area. Their Unfiltered Wheat is one of the best. Sadly for me, it only makes it as far south as Oklahoma.

September 28, 2007 at 5:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

kupopp (anonymous) says...

In spite of my username (dates me a little), I merely dislike KSU because of the family issues, but absolutely hate MU. Can't say a single good thing about the school or the state.

My feelings on KSU did take two steps down after the Thursday night ESPN game in Manhatten in the early '90s, if I remember the timing correctly. The night the "fans" mugged the KU Band, causing several thousand dollars damage to instruments and uniforms and caused several of the band kids to go to the hospital for stitches because they were hit with thrown liquor bottles. I don't feel a bit sorry for the whine and whimper about the KSU band treatment above.

September 28, 2007 at 6:38 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

txrockchalk, I have had Boulevard Ale on several occasions and I think it is a good beer. I've had micro-brews in other parts of the country but since I've been in Seattle I've become quite the beer snob. I think the brews in the northwest are the best I've ever had, including the ones I've tried in Europe.

I'd like to try some other brews the next time I'm in the area but Boulevard is the only one I ever see on a restaurant menu. I'm sure I could find more if I visited some local taverns but I can't convince my wife to go barhopping.

September 28, 2007 at 6:41 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

Teapot9 (anonymous) says...

Well, I sing a different tune when it comes to K-State fans. I lived at Berkeley Flats my sophomore year (2004) and I was walking back to take a shower after the game when a 4 or 5 year old girl waved to me and said "hi" I responded "hi how are you?" (I may or may not have slurred those words but regardless, her mom came up and started swearing telling me to bugger off (sic) among a litany of swear words. Truth be told, my response was less than chivalrous.

September 28, 2007 at 7:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

klong (anonymous) says...

Liekness I am from Wamego, which is just east of Manhattan. I moved to KC about 5 years ago. I agree that there is a lot more KU up here than there is Mizzou, but you always run into a few.

September 28, 2007 at 9:14 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

mmmmmmmm beer!

September 28, 2007 at 9:50 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

scootja32 (anonymous) says...

Boulevard Pale ale is pretty good

But you haven't had beer til you've had Boulevard IRISH ALE. Hands down (not a biased opinion in the least, just overwhelmingly great taste) the BEST BEER I HAVE EVER HAD.

Onle available January through April (too bad)

September 28, 2007 at 10:08 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

scootja32 (anonymous) says...

By the way. HEY BOULEVARD!!! DROP THE LUNAR ALE ALREADY. ADMIT YOUR MISTAKES AND MOVE ON

September 28, 2007 at 10:11 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jawk1 (anonymous) says...

Posted by jman18562 (anonymous) on September 28, 2007 at 10:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh... no... the poor KSU marching band! Don't worry reed449! As soon as I get done clipping my toenails and creating my own homemade greeting cards I'll write Lew Perkins and tell him of your griefs! I would hate for some nerdy zit faced fat wildcat student, let alone the "marching band," sit on the steps of the best University in the state. That would be just "oh so terrible!" You're right, they don't deserve the honor of those 3 hours... It's probably the best of their college experience!

"jman18562"-- whats up with KSU idiot jackin my ID then addin a few numbers.

Let me F somebody UP. somebody!!

September 28, 2007 at 11:57 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

jawk1 (anonymous) says...

PS--I am jman1.

September 29, 2007 at 12:01 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

bdsnook (anonymous) says...

Everyone has an opinion. I agree that on game week, there are no pleasantries between KU & KSU. But I still have respect for the school, and I would cheer for them if they were playing anyone else (especially non Big XII). I grew up in Dallas and my parents (KU alums and from Western Kansas) taught me at an early age that KSU was a friendly rivalry; Mizzou was not. We have Quantrill to thank for that.

When I was a student at KU, I always had a fun time going to Manhattan for games and weekend parties. The one time I went to Columbia for a game weekend, I felt my life was in danger.

That is why I will always respect KSU, and why I will disown my child (if I ever have any) if he/she ever decides to go to Mizzou.

September 29, 2007 at 1:32 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

Jimmy_Dean (Alan Halvorsen) says...

You guys have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to beer, this is what I drink!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUDHZq...

September 29, 2007 at 5:24 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

hawkman1031 (anonymous) says...

KSU male students stood and yelled the most vile words at the opposing team as it prepared to take the field. Then they actually chanted obscenitiesthis in unison. No class...not even a chance. This was a few weeks ago. The team was San Diego State. San Diego State?
If you want to see the proof, just stand in the lower north edge of the east stands at the Bill. You will oberve it in its entirety.

If you want to be different, be the opposite of that and uphold KU's tradition of dignity and decorum...no profanity on your shirt or from your mouth. Not even Muck F...

We are to have the class... they can partake in the trash.

September 29, 2007 at 8 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

txrockchalk (anonymous) says...

J_D, were you up late studying the finer points of mass-produced domestic light beers? ;)

Scootja, I concur the Boulevard Irish Ale is awesome. It is unfortunate it is a seasonal beer. Thanks for the heads up on the time frame availability, though.

Seattle, there aren't a lot of breweries in the KC area, but if you like stouts and brew pubs, the Muddy Mo at 75th Street Brewery is pretty darn tasty. Their food is quite good as well. Also, I agree with you on Red Hook. Shiner Bock is a good Texas representative, especially if you can get it on tap.

Sevenyear, I figured you might be a Simpsons fan!

"Does whiskey count?"

September 29, 2007 at 8:26 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

sevenyearhawk (anonymous) says...

"we have tequila, it's like beer!"

September 29, 2007 at 8:48 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

leikness (anonymous) says...

hawkman....I'm torn about which side of the North End Zone to sit on next weekend. I have GA tickets. Usually we sit on the East side close to the students so that we can high five the hawks as they come out of the locker room, but I don't think I can resist begging Freeman and Prince to sign my power towel.

September 29, 2007 at 8:49 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

oregonjhawk (anonymous) says...

I'm originally from Junction City, and I agree that until you get to experience the KU-Mizzou rivalry and you're from west of Topeka, you probably don't really know what a rivalry is. All K-State has going for them is an intense hatred of KU, but I don't think the feeling is mutual because the rivalry between KU and MU has so much more history and tradition (not to mention, usually so much more at stake).

September 29, 2007 at 3:07 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

I grew up east of Topeka so I can't speak much about the geography issue but I sense that K-State dislikes us a lot more than we dislike them and it is probably because of our indifference towards them.

September 29, 2007 at 3:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

BPSkelly (anonymous) says...

It's definitely based on where your from I would say.

Im an alum from St. Louis, so without question beating the hell outta Mizzou is on the top of my list.

One thing Mizzou fans dont understand though is that Mizzou IS NOT the do-all-end-all for KU that it is for Mizzou. Its just not. Im sure that goes the same way with KSU.

When you consider the KSU/Mizzou split, the fact that KU's dominance in the conference for years dilutes that as well a little bit.

I can certainly recall plenty of years where beating Oklahoma was just as big of deal. Texas and A&M now even.

Of course everyone is gunning for us... were KU!!!

September 29, 2007 at 3:31 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

albraun (anonymous) says...

I dislike K-state but I CAN'T STAND Mizzou. I guess I lived too many years in Jefferson City, which is to Columbia as Kansas City is to Lawrence distance-wise and is a hotbed of malignant KU-phobia. Not to mention the fact that MU fans have no class at all. I doubt if the KSU crowd has ever pulled a stunt that ranks with the way the MU crowd taunted Nick Collison about his grandfather a week after grandpa died, or holding up Ryan Robertson's girlfriend's correct phone number on a sign with the message "for a good time call 123-4567". KSU types aren't quite as bad as that, or if they are I haven't seen it. My opinion might change if the rivalry became more competitive - for most of the last 20 years everyone knew who would win the FB (KSU) and BB (KU) games. Rivalries are fun, though. I can even enjoy the Iowa Hawkeye - ISU Cyclone rivalry, perhaps because I have no vested interest in it beyond living in Iowa.

September 29, 2007 at 11:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

elkwc36 (anonymous) says...

I will just add my opinion from a Cat's view which many of you might not care to hear. I'm in extreme SW KS so probably different yet from those in west central KS. Here we have the ardent OU, Texas and CU fans. And they are all worse than the KU fans. In fact for many of us we pull for KU except when they are playing KState. I would never pull for Texas because of their fans. Here even though we are in KS we are outnumbered by out of state universities. Yes during this week we will banter and maybe even wager and pull some funny pranks but all in good fun and taste. I've seen many Texas and OU fans that if you beat them you didn't go around them for a while afterwards and it is that way today. Only if you have business with them that you have to do. KU people here don't let it run their lives like so many OU and Texas fans do. Just my observations from over 40 years of co-existnence with all factions.

September 30, 2007 at 10:18 a.m. ( | suggest removal )

coloradojayhawk (anonymous) says...

Grew up in the same school as Mark Galyardt - we always gave him lots of grief when KU beat KSU (whatever sport). Poor guy was forced to wear purple to school.

Here in Colorado, having a degree from Colorado State, I see things from the opposite point of view. I hate CU for their smug attitudes, their assumed pre-eminence over CSU and just the nature of their fans.

I will root for KSU every time they don't play KU because they're from my home state. I will root against CU every time they play anyone (and I love KU's dominance over them). I also will root against Mizzou against everyone.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, KU!

Go Kansas!

September 30, 2007 at 12:09 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

Seattle,

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I have in fact had Redhook IPA and it is very tasty. I am an unapologetic HEAVY beer drinker, and I am not at the point in my life where my budget allows me to drink the types of beer you mentioned in the quantity I require on a regular basis, though...so, for now Budweiser is the best tasting beer I can afford at the volume I go through it. I will be sure to try the other brews you mentioned when in the Seattle area or I'll look for them at exotic beer providers around KC. I respect that some people have finer tastes for beer, but it's going to be hard for me to change my knee-jerk order of Bud on a daily basis. Thanks for the info on Seattle brews, and cheers!

On the topic of K-suck, I think it all matters how you grew up. Myself, I was infused with an extreme dislike for them at a young age, even moreso than Mizzou. I guess it just really gets to me when they act like they have some kind of football dynasty out there. Give me a freakin' break! I really believe that some people west of Topeka actually don't know that the game of football was invented prior to 1990. For some reason, K-suck people REALLY get on my nerves. I am well aware that the fact that I dislike KsU slightly more than Mizzou is not as common as the other way around, but that's just how I feel.

September 30, 2007 at 1:30 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mushhawk (anonymous) says...

if you like KSUck'ers so much, go join em.
yes they ARE so bad.

September 30, 2007 at 2:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

mushhawk (anonymous) says...

they're a bunch of ignorant, inbreed, racist hicks that call us gay-u. yes......they really ARE that bad!!

September 30, 2007 at 2:26 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

So Mayer writes this column based solely upon some people he knows that are K-suck people and also happen to be decent human beings. According to him, that makes all K-suck people 'not so bad.' I am calling BS on that--there is an element of truth to all stereotypes, and the majority of K-suck cretins fit the bill of being classless, low-rent idiots who think that they have a storied football program. Every time I see them driving around in their ancient Cousin Eddie RVs painted purple with something moronic like 'Catbus' scrawled on them with whitewash, my blood boils. I wasn't near a TV for most of their game yesterday, so I was forced to listen to their broadcast on radio. It was almost laughable how their homer announcers were referring to their program and fanbase like it was legendary or something. WHAT FREAKING PLANET DO THEY LIVE ON??? I agree 100% with mushhawk; THEY ARE THAT BAD.

This article should have been titled "The Few K-Staters I happen to know are not so bad." Lord...

September 30, 2007 at 2:58 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

StirrrThePot (anonymous) says...

Eh. I guarantee you'll find more tolerable KSU fans than Mizzou fans. Those people are pathetic. I have never seen a more self-loathing fanbase. They really don't seem to root for their own painfully mediocre teams unless they play Kansas. Honestly, I think they actually hate Kansas more than they like Missouri. I will take Wildcat fans any day over Mizzou fans.

October 3, 2007 at 1:24 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

CatsRoll (anonymous) says...

Ha ha. The Cats hate KU because of your indifference to us? I attended both schools, and the 'indifference' KU shows to K-State is far more calculated than real. Oh boy, that was a good one.

K-State hates you because you are arrogant, stuck-up hypocrites. Your town lynched three black men off the 6th Street bridge in 1882. Please stop bringing up Quantrill as if he covers those sins and the sins of Dolph Simons and his media monopoly of all TV and news in your contrived little pastry shop of a town.

Lawrence and KU are Potemkin facades- scratch the surface and the ugly truth comes out. Mt. Oread? How about its real name- Hogback Ridge. Crimson and Blue? If being Harvard and Yale wannabees isn't enough evidence of your pathetic egomania, you must have been on OJ's jury. Read KU history professor Griffin's great expose of your town and school. You'll find what posers and conformers you really are.

See you Saturday aristocrats. This is class war, nothing less. The peasants are coming, and are they pissed. Lock up the wine and cheese (I loved that one, ROY WILLIAMS), put the Porsche in the garage, and pull up the drawbridge. It's clobberin' time!

By the way, how many of you have actually even seen real wheat, you know, the stuff you keep waving?

October 3, 2007 at 7:03 p.m. ( | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

Wow! Someone has some issues.

October 4, 2007 at 6:34 p.m. ( | suggest removal )