Thursday, November 29, 2007

KU in contact with BCS bowls


Harris named Big 12 Defensive Newcomer Of the Year

Last spring, junior college transfer Kendrick Harper won the starting job at CB opposite Aqib Talib. An injury kept him from playing most of the season, and in his place a true freshman stepped in.

Briscoe applies for diversion

A leading receiver on the KU football team applied for a diversion today to charges of stealing less than $1000 worth of merchandise from Walmart in June.


Kansas cornerback Chris Harris (16) celebrates with his fellow Jayhawk defenders after intercepting a Baylor Bears pass. Wednesday, Harris was named Big 12 defensive newcomer of the year.

The University of Georgia recently sent a marketing package to the Rose, Orange and Fiesta bowls showing just how the school is going to sell a boat-load of tickets to whichever game the Bulldogs are invited.

This is what the at-large BCS bowl candidates do in the days leading up to Selection Sunday.

"I believe it's my job and our job to put our best foot forward why Georgia would be a good choice," Georgia athletic director Damon Evans told the Athens Banner-Herald. "I'm going to tell each of those bowls why I think we're the best."

Georgia is trying to flaunt itself in what amounts to a competition of sorts with other schools such as Kansas University, Illinois, Arizona State and perhaps the loser of Saturday's Big 12 championship game between Missouri and Oklahoma.

The at-large candidates for BCS bowl games - like the Jayhawks - are being forced to wait it out. And, in the meantime, come up with some good pickup lines just in case it matters.

"We've been in close contact with members of the BCS bowls for almost the entire season," KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said. "In the case of the Fiesta Bowl, before the entire season."

Kansas is considered a strong candidate for the Fiesta Bowl and a near-lock for the Glendale, Ariz., game if Missouri beats Oklahoma on Saturday to advance to the BCS National Championship Game.

But even if Oklahoma beats Missouri and the Sooners get an automatic invitation to the Fiesta Bowl, analysts and various media reports suggest Kansas would be considered as OU's opponent anyway. It's a matchup Fiesta Bowl president John Junker doesn't rule out.

"Kansas is a great story," Junker said. "It's been a great year for them in a lot of ways."

The hole in that speculation, however, is that it's partly out of the Fiesta Bowl's hands.

The BCS rules state that whichever BCS bowl loses its host to the National Championship Game will get first pick among at-large teams. The Big East doesn't play host to any BCS game, so it's not a factor if No. 2 West Virginia plays for the title. But if Missouri qualifies, the Fiesta Bowl then would get first crack at choosing a replacement. Kansas expects to be that choice.

If Oklahoma wins, it's likely that Ohio State out of the Big Ten moves into the BCS National Championship Game to play West Virginia, provided the Mountaineers beat 28-point underdog Pittsburgh.

In that case, the process plays out as follows:

¢ The Rose Bowl would start by choosing a replacement for Ohio State. Reports indicate it would be either Georgia or Illinois, depending on if it wants to keep the Big Ten/Pac-10 tradition or go for the most appealing opponent.

¢ The Orange Bowl would then choose an at-large team to play the ACC champion.

¢ The Fiesta Bowl would then choose an opponent for Oklahoma.

¢ The Sugar Bowl would get last pick, believed to be Hawaii if the Warriors are in the top 12 of the BCS standings.

With the Fiesta Bowl picking third assuming an Oklahoma victory, it can't guarantee anything. If the Rose Bowl picks Georgia, for example, Kansas or Missouri could be the most appealing choices for the Orange Bowl to scoop up.

Dizzy yet? Join the club.

The Fiesta, Orange and Sugar bowls all have been to multiple Kansas games this season, with the Fiesta coming to a majority of them. That established relationships that built by the week.

The finish line is Sunday. The position-jockeying continues until then.

"We're still in discussions and just watching the process go forward," Marchiony said. "We're in contact with all of them. No one more than the other."


Nutflush21 12 years, 7 months ago

JB- I wouldnt exactly say BCS bowls are jockeying to pick KU but it sure seems like the Fiesta likes us. I just cant see the other BCS bowls selecting us.

Obviously I hope we get invited to a BCS Bowl... But if we dont and the Cotton ends up taking the Longhorns and their 3 conference losses, it will be nothing short of a freaking travesty.

The Cotton Bowl needs to realize that KU has a large alumni base in Dallas and our fans will travel well seeing as how we havent been to a New Year's Bowl in decades.

JBurtin 12 years, 7 months ago

Wow, this is surreal. BCS bowls jockeying for position on who gets to take Kansas.

I have to admit, every year there is at least one school that shocks the nation by performing beyond anybody's wildest dreams. Utah a couple of years ago, Rutgers last year, and this year it's Kansas.

From our perspective it's easy to get hung up on a loss to our chief rival (no pun intended). But the rest of the nation doesn't really know about the Missouri/Kansas rivalry and doesn't really care who won the matchup. Kansas is the more interesting story and they are the team that more people in America are likely to tune in and watch in a bowl game.

Here's hoping for a Missouri loss and an all Big Twelve matchup in the Fiesta Bowl to complete the round robin tournament.

Nothing would make my year better than seeing Kansas still receive the better bowl invite.

okjhok 12 years, 7 months ago

I don't think the Fiesta is any more interested in KU than anyone else. They're affiliated with the Big XII, so of course they'd be in contact with KU more than non-Big XII affiliated bowls. is really hyping up the Fiesta as the likely locale for KU. I'm not predicting KU won't be there. I just hope that a lot of the viewers of this site aren't too shocked and dissapointed if KU goes elsewhere. Right now I'm putting it at about a 50% chance KU's in Tempe. I'm looking forward to Selection Sunday, Dec version.

jayhawkinATL 12 years, 7 months ago

According to the alumni association, there is a relatively large contingent of KU fans in AZ too.

dbegert 12 years, 7 months ago

I think they're "hyping" the Fiesta because they have the third pick of the bowls, and KU is the third most appealing at-large team (after Georgia and Illinois/Mizzou). If KU goes to a BCS game, it will almost certainly be the Fiesta.

If Mizzou wins, we're in as the B12's representative. If they lose, we have a chance at the Fiesta Bowl, depending on whether the Rose takes Illinois. If they do, then Orange will take Georgia, and we'll play OU in the Fiesta. If the Rose takes Georgia, the Orange could take KU, but they would probably take Mizzou, and the Fiesta would be forced to take ASU or Illinois.

Since Mizzou has about a 50/50 shot a beating OU this weekend, and KU will definitely go if they win and possibly go if they lose, I'll put KU's chances at the Fiesta at 75% as of right now.

sss4ever82 12 years, 7 months ago

Don't get too caught up in all this hype. KU has to prove to the Fiesta that they are better than possibly five other at-large bids...

areyouserious 12 years, 7 months ago

Maybe Lew could start a NEW Bowl Game in Arrowhead for Mr. Hunt!!!

Jim Pendleton 12 years, 7 months ago

FYI, the Fiesta Bowl is no longer at Sun Devil Stadium in Tempe. It is now at the new Cardinals Stadium in Glendale, which would be even better to play in a relatively new place. Super Bowl is there this year also.

grantmvb 12 years, 7 months ago

It's not like the LJWorld is the only site hyping a BCS bid. There are several sources that have the same opinion in regards to Kansas and the Fiesta Bowl

sevenyearhawk 12 years, 7 months ago

Wow ... who knew that before this season started, KANSAS would be such a sexy pick?!

*** I LOVE IT ***

okjhok 12 years, 7 months ago

Good point, Jim. I had forgotten that. If OU beats MU this weekend, how can anyone justify KU getting the second conference BCS bid over MU? I know history has told us that the loser of a conference chamionship generally doesn't get picked up, but how often has that team been ranked #1 in the BCS?

jayhawkinATL 12 years, 7 months ago

I don't think KU will have any problem with selling out of its allotted tix to a BCS bowl game. I think they only have to guarantee the sale of like 17,000.

seattlehawk_78 12 years, 7 months ago

As the Fiesta president said, KU is a great story, maybe the best story in college football this season. But the committees are interested in revenue and will probably look at things like potential TV ratings and how well our fan base travels. For my money I've always liked the Orange Bowl, probably because of the traditional ties to the conference. In any event my heart is recuperating nicely and I'm enjoying the week off. It sure is fun speculating on our bowl prospects. Who would have thunk it way back in August when we were discussing the possibility of any bowl let alone a BCS.

troutsee 12 years, 7 months ago

Hope for MU decisive victory over OU. Then we are in for sure. If OU wins, we might be in the Holiday Bowl, heaven forbid.

okjhok 12 years, 7 months ago

I'm not rooting for the Holiday Bowl, but I can't think of a better place to travel to than San Diego.

KURiggins 12 years, 7 months ago

I will never cheer for Misery. Not now, not ever. They embody everything that is evil. Its stupid we even need this discussion. A lot of teams(even Oklahoma) would be glad to be 11-1. Its because we are KU and not Florida, LSU or one of those supposedly tough SEC teams. Its the idiots in charge. We have the same record as Misery, its just because of WHEN we lost. They lost early, we lost late to them. Lets have a do over on the Misery game. Come get some wee tigers, we want to do it again. There will be next year, we have learned you have to be 12-0 to be even considered BCS good. That is of course unless you are Florida, LSU or Ohio State. Put KU up against any one of them. I still take KU to win. We had one loss and I for one want to do that one again. I want a re-match. See ya next year wee tigers.

John Stowell 12 years, 7 months ago

So, our biggest worry is that the Orange or Rose bowls would choose a two loss MU over Kansas, Gerogia, Boston College, Arizona State, and Illinois. I can see the Rose bowl taking Georgia or Illinois, then the Orange taking Georgia, Kansas, or even ASU before MU.

nycjayhawk 12 years, 7 months ago

I can see the Orange taking Missouri. Then no Fiesta for KU because of the 2-team max. That is why I will be pulling for Missouri on Saturday. Then root for W Va to beat Missouri and KU to beat whoever in the Fiesta. We will end up ranked higher than Missouri and having won a BCS bowl.

seattlehawk_78 12 years, 7 months ago

I'd be interested in knowing how much revenue is a stake between the various bowls. Is a BCS bowl really going to result in a substantially greater windfall? If we don't go to a BCS bowl that means that two other conference teams will go and given the revenue sharing agreement we will still see some BCS dollars. I'm not convinced that the greatest amount of money is necessarily in our best interest. Who we play and hopefully beat is more important than where we play. A win over a good opponent will help in promoting the team and ultimately help recruiting. Even though the Cotton Bowl is not BCS it is a traditional big time bowl and in the heart of our primary recruiting base.

speedy 12 years, 7 months ago

thank you kuriggans! i,m not alone in your opinion but too many just don,t get it. we get no respect no matter what. me i,d rather go play hawaii in hawaii. that would be better anyway.

12 years, 7 months ago

Thanks for the link, grant. Very interesting story.

Good point, seattle. I think a season-ending victory over a good team does more for us in the long run than what bowl game we play in. Now, if we were to play in a BCS bowl game AND win, that would be HUGE.

KUAlum2000 12 years, 7 months ago

Being a relocated Jayhawk to AZ, I'm strongly pulling for the Fiesta Bowl. Junker is keen on Kansas because of K-State's travel history here (Fiesta and then Insight Bowls). I went to the championship game last year when FL/OSU played (wearing KU gear, of course) and it was great atmosphere.

okjhok, PHX is much better in January than S.D., it'll be warmer, great golfing weather and not burnt to a crisp (bring shorts!). Head down to ASU's version of Mass St. or take in some other sites. Go to S.D. in the summer. :)

smitty33 12 years, 7 months ago

Interesting comment above... Does the BCS system allow only 2 teams from a league?? If so, it looks like we're screwed if Mizzou loses to OU. Man, it's gonna be TOUGH to root for them this weekend.

JayViking 12 years, 7 months ago

Of course I hope we get a BCS bid, but is anyone else hoping that the bid is ALSO against a non Big 12 team?

I'm tired of hearing people talk about how much the big 12 sucks. How cool would it be to get paired up against a Georgia, a VT, or an Oregon and have the opportunity to shut everyone the f* up?

JBurtin 12 years, 7 months ago

If Missouri loses, they would not be picked over us. I know that their two losses were both to the same team, and they have a tie breaker win over us, but us losing late is what hurt us and the same could be said for Missouri. They fall hard in the polls if they lose because out of the two loss teams that you could give an at-large, they are not the best pick. LSU, Virginia Tech, OKlahoma, and Georgia are all sexier 2 loss picks with much more tradition than MU.

A 1 loss Kansas team would have a much better shot because they are the better story and they are an extra week removed from their 1 loss. Nobody would want to tune in to see a Missouri team that has already shown that they can't compete at the highest level twice in one season. Kansas has only had one shot at playing at that level and I think America would want to see if the 1 loss was a fluke or if Kansas was a fluke.

GridironHawk 12 years, 7 months ago

It isn't going to matter. East/West coast bias is always going to exist. If we beat VT they will just talk about how LSU killed them. If it is against Oregon then it would be without Dixon.... The only one they might not be able to argue is the Georgia game.

Ed Fox 12 years, 7 months ago

The risks of those Missery people being declared national champions, not to mention Big XII champs, are far to great to cheer for them this weekend.

KU has had a great season and will build from this. The BCS/non-BCS distinction is less important because KU doesn't get all of the money, it's split in the conference. A high-profile Jan. 1 bowl would have a similar effect as a BCS bowl. Possibly the worst thing for KU would be an MU national championship - in terms of recruiting and in terms of pure ridiculousness.

bmcmich1 12 years, 7 months ago

The argument "LSU killed them" when talking about VT is complete garbage because they (VT) might just be the most improved team in the nation from the first couple weeks to now. They are playing great football, and to group the way they got throttled by LSU in with the way they are playing ball now would be like comparing apples and oranges.

A quick, and argument ending, comeback to someone talking about how LSU throttled them is to say "but that clearly was not the same Virginia Tech team." Anyone continues to argue beyond that is a moron.

smitty33 12 years, 7 months ago

Which is worse? I'm not sure of my answer.

  1. Mizzou beating OU and playing in the title game and possibly winning it.
  2. KU not getting a BCS bowl.

Man, I'd love to see neigher come true. Mizzou would actually have a reason to be cocky then.

seattlehawk_78 12 years, 7 months ago


No disrespect to OU but I'm hoping we can play and defeat a non-con team because I believe that is what will earn us the greatest amount of respect. Even with our one loss we proved that we are a contender. There will always be people like Corso who believe in their tiny little brains that they are right when the law of averages finally catches up with them.

As for all the above arguments about who beat who, I'm not sure any of it really matters. Everyone has beaten everyone this season so one could speculate until the cows come home. We won 11 games this year and the one loss was a close game to what is now the number 1 team. Anyone who doesn't believe we are legit is just plain stupid, stubborn, or both. It will take more than one season to change the perception of KU football.

Jeffery Barrett 12 years, 7 months ago

Riggins said it all. Have not, will not, EVER root for the tiggers!!!

Bob Zielinski 12 years, 7 months ago

virginia tech has two losses. a loss to an overrated BC team which they could avenge this weekend. not that great of a game for KU, limited interest nationwide. who said we should play hawaii in hawaii? that is just goofy. the aloha bowl? hawaii? KU deserves a much better game than playing that gimmicky squad.

Brad Watson 12 years, 7 months ago

An OU win on saturday opens up an opportunity to go to Pasadena,...the rose bowl game is the game that will elevate the program...its the most watched game almost every year...and a victory over southern cal would be an incredible recruiting tool..not to mention a great way to end the year and springboard into to next year...which has excitement written all over it...with texas coming to lawrence and oklahoma and texas will be fun...get those season tickets going to...i love this team..i love the style of play...but back to my point...we need roses...i need need them..and thats all i want for christmas.!!!!


nycjayhawk 12 years, 7 months ago

Rose is a pipe dream. If Ohio St is in the BCS NC game, the Rose will take either Illinois or Georgia over KU. KU is probably the Rose's last pick. The only bowl that did not see a KU game this year is the Rose. So it won't happen (at least not this year). (The Rose chairman is saying in the papers that it will be a touch choice between Georgia and Illinois if the Illini qualify.)

Brad Watson 12 years, 7 months ago

nyc...i wasnt aware of that...i thought they saw the nebraska game...maybe i'm wrong...but i still think we will be looked at.

Ted Adams 12 years, 7 months ago

No shot in heck we even get a sniff from the Rose Bowl. It's Orange, Fiesta, or no BCS. Orange is a stretch. Fiesta wants us. If OU loses, KU is the host team against ASU. If OU wins, it will be a toss up between KU and ASU. However, ASU is local and WILL NOT bring any tourism money which is what this is all about. People coming to the game and spending money all over the town not just at the game. ASU people aren't going to be there for 3-7 days and spend money on food, lodging, other shopping, etc. That is what makes KU a good choice for them. If OU wins, I think the Fiesta will be holding their breath that the Rose takes Illinois. If the Rose does its thing, then the Orange will take Georgia, and the Fiesta gets its OU vs. KU matchup.

nycjayhawk 12 years, 7 months ago

I agree kuhwks. If Missouri wins, KU gets the Fiesta. If OU wins, then it depends on what the Rose does with its first pick (because they would lose Ohio St to the title game). If the Rose takes Illinois, then the Orange would take Georgia, leaving KU to play OU in the Fiesta. If the Rose takes Georgia, then the Orange can pick KU or MU. If the Orange takes MU, then KU is shut out of the BCS because of the two-team limit. I do not see us in the Rose or the Sugar under any scenario. See link for a similar analysis.

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