wcormode (William Cormode) says...

I want the Cotton Bowl. There is no way I will root for Mizzery just so we can play in the Fiesta Bowl.

November 26, 2007 at 8 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

justanotherfan (anonymous) says...

Regardless of where our bowl destination is, we have to win to avoid being viewed as a fluke or a product of a soft schedule in the eyes of most of the nation. I'd prefer the Fiesta because its in prime time, whereas the Cotton starts so early in the morning most of the western part of the country is still asleep when it kicks off. Either game would provide good exposure, but the Fiesta offers both more money and better exposure.

November 26, 2007 at 8:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Jhawklarkin101 (anonymous) says...

"I want the Cotton Bowl. There is no way I will root for Mizzery just so we can play in the Fiesta Bowl."

-wcormode

The day KU fans get this attitude is the day we become like K-State fans. K-state fans would rather live to see us lose than their team win. That is pathetic. I hate mizzou as much as anyone, but we need them to win to get to the best bowl possible. A chance at a BCS bowl, are you kidding??!! Think if someone would've said that at the beginning of the season! I'm gonna cheer to get KU the best possible outcome, not just to see mizzou lose. Rock Chalk, always.

November 26, 2007 at 10:19 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

I always want our team to win and I dont think rooting for mizzery to lose is "becoming like a K-State fan". Nothing pisses me off more than teams sitting and waiting for someone to lose so they can make the playoffs, or get a good bowl game. Kansas put their destiny in their own hands this year. If they won out they would win the National Championship. I hate all of these Georgia, LSU, Ohio St. fans who are sitting hoping for a loss so they can make the championship.

If Mizzery wins, more power to them and some people may think that that will make the Big XII look good, but it wont. Everyone will cry foul and complain that the Big XII has no competition. Mizzery is one of our rivals and we shouldnt ever root for them. If we need them to win to determine our fate then maybe we dont deserve it. I would love for KU to be in a BCS bowl, but we have already been on National TV more times than ever and the million dollars from last weekends game is more than before and will be added to any money made through a bowl.

KU is in great shape for next year. They need to keep building off of strong recruiting classes and become a perenial force in the North, then the XII, and then nationally. I would rather have a good team that competes for a championship every year then a "flash in the pan", as SEC fans want to call us.

I am happy that K-State lost to Fresno and isnt eligible. I heard enough negative comments during their 10 years to last me a lifetime. It is our turn and I dont feel sorry for our rivals and yes I always want them to lose.

November 26, 2007 at 10:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KUAlum2000 (anonymous) says...

I'm not rooting for Mizzou to win, just for OU to lose. There is a distinct difference, although the outcomes both would likely result in KU going to Fiesta Bowl.

We need to get a BCS bid any which way it occurs to give some validity to the season and finish with a strong win. We are setup well for next year, but this year isn't over yet.

November 26, 2007 at 11:01 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Jayhawk86 (anonymous) says...

Hmm.. Cotton Bowl Pays 3 million and is played early on Fox, and has to compete with three other games for viewers, so not too much exposure. BCS bowl pays 17 million and gets played in primetime for the whole country to see.

I'm thinking I would rather be in the BCS game.
Thats whats best for the program. Maybe more people should think of whats best for the program.

November 26, 2007 at 11:03 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

Isn't it great that we can have this discussion?

Rooting for OU to lose is the same as rooting for mizzery to win. I have no problem rooting for OU to win because they arent our rival, yet.

On the other hand, if the 17 million makes it so we can get out of Arrowhead after this next year and return to Memorial for all of our "home" games then I guess I will hope for that.

I have full confidence that we will win any bowl that we go to but what happens if we go to the Fiesta and lose, with everybody watching. Then we become KSU and have good regular seasons with great bowl games attached to a loss. After a while people get tired of it and recruits stop seeing all of the wins and just the fact that you lost your bowl game.

I am a proponent of easing into things. Last year we fought to become bowl eligible and didnt even make a bowl. Shouldnt we get used to playing in bowl games before we play in one of the 6 biggest games?

November 26, 2007 at 11:17 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ohioburg (anonymous) says...

I'm going to hold my nose and look the other way during the B12 championship game.

If Mizzou should play in the NC game I hope they lose in a most excrutiating way.

A couple of scenarios, it's a tough close game but all Misery has to do is take a knee to win. Instead, Chase Daniel runs around until the clock ticks off then, thinking the game is over, hands the ball to a WV defender who shakes his hand then runs for the winning touchdown.

Or down by five with time for one last play, Mizzou runs a trick play, Chase races untouched down the sideline, then trips and falls on the three yard line.

November 26, 2007 at 11:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Jayhawk86 (anonymous) says...

I think that if this were any other year. I would be happy for a lesser bowl game. However, I think that this team has the talent to beat just about anyone in the country. So, the bigger the bowl the better. No need to ease into it.

I also think that playing the game at Arrowhead may have prepared the team for a bigger stage. Now maybe they won't be awestruck and take 2+ quarters to to get going.

November 26, 2007 at 11:24 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

That is true Jayhawk86. If we play the Fiesta Bowl we will more than likely play Arizona State and that will be more of a neutral-road game than Arrowhead was.

Will the Fiesta Bowl be at the Pink Taco?

November 26, 2007 at 11:28 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

ohioburg (anonymous) says...

Many of these players were probably here for the 2003 Tangerine Bowl. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a bigger state.

November 26, 2007 at 11:31 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KUAlum2000 (anonymous) says...

If we play ASU in the Fiesta Bowl that's a home game for ASU. Literally on the other side of PHX from Tempe.

Living in PHX and seeing both teams, I think we could win that game, but I would hope for someone else.

November 26, 2007 at 11:34 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

fihsch (anonymous) says...

the day we are afraid of tough games and wanting an easy way out is when we lose die hard fans. Aim high. Let's go to the BCS and play whomever coming our way in front of the national audience.

November 26, 2007 at 11:35 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

I dont want an easy way out. It is kind of like those commercials from Liberty Mutual I think, they ask the question on whether you want a portfolio that does great now but can die out fast or do you want something that keeps a steady pace and outperforms over time. Anyone can shoot for the moon and try to get it all in one year but the market could fall (IE losing in a big game) that would be devastating for the programs if it is a big loss (which I dont think it would be).

There was an interview with one of the players and I can not think of who it was but he was asked about his decision to come to Kansas and he said "KANSAS, who wants to come to kansas. DO they even win any games? Why would anyone want to come to kansas?" This attitude is out there almost everywhere even as we sit at #5. One of the stats flashed on the screen every year is bowl records. I would rather recruits see a good record and mid range bowls than to see bad records and huge bowl games.

November 26, 2007 at 11:45 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Deke13 (anonymous) says...

Regardless of whether we make the BCS as one of two Big 12 or if Missouri and Oklahoman make it, the money will be the same. I understood all bowl money is split evenly among the conference teams. I want as big a stage as possible for the 'Hawks but I can't bear to see Missouri (or K-State for that matter) win a national championship. I'll be in Cali for the USC basketball game and I will do my best to ignore this game and take whichever outcome happens. As far as I'm concerned, I'll be happy and disgusted by either outcome. Sucks to have to end the regular season this way, but it is what it is. Next year can't get hear soon enough.

November 26, 2007 at 11:51 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

This is unchartered territory for KU fans. For the first time ever the Tigers are playing for something. We as KU fans have an obligation to root for their failure. Trust me, when the situation is reversed they reciprocate. In fact, for a Mizzou fan the success of their "basketball" season is predicated on only two games. The first being the game we play in Columbia and the second is any game in the tournament in which we lose. When that happens they are happy. They have difficulty making it to the dance and have never been close to a final four which leaves them nothing else to root for. Besides, it really doesn't matter who we root for. It's not like it will make a difference.

Is it unrealistic to think that a 1 loss KU will get a BCS bid over a 2 loss OU & 2 loss MU?

November 26, 2007 at 12:03 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

killabees (anonymous) says...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the money that all Big XII teams make from bowls split amongst the conference? So a bigger payday for OU in a BCS bowl, give KU as much money as if it were KU there instead.

Is that correct? I hear all this talk of bigger payouts, but I don't know if that actually helps us.

November 26, 2007 at 12:21 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

That all sounds right. So someone will get the 17 million from the Fiesta and someone will get the 3 from the Cotton and we will all share it. The only difference is exposure. KU fans will be able to buy the tickets to fill the Cotton bowl and make it a semi home game. The Fiesta Bowl will be packed to the brim with ASU fans and we can only hope to silence them.

November 26, 2007 at 12:29 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

Those of you arguing that you'd rather have the hawks play in non-BCS bowls are sounding like those bowls would be automatic wins or something. I would like to think that we as fans would like for the 'Hawks to make the best bowl possible, and right now that looks like the Fiesta Bowl. Besides, if you wanted Mizzou to fall on their face, wouldn't you want it to be in the National Championship Game when everybody's watching? I don't know, I just think that us winning our last game in a BCS Bowl and them falling flat on their faces to end the year sounds good. Of course, the flaw in my thinking is that there would be the chance that Mizzou actually wins the NC, in which case I would vomit all over myself.

November 26, 2007 at 12:35 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bmcmich1 (anonymous) says...

What I'm trying to say is that there is no guarantee that we lose a BCS Bowl and no guarantee that we win a non-BCS Bowl. Knowing that, wouldn't you rather end up in the best one possible? I think Fiesta Bowl sounds a helluva lot better than Cotton Bowl.

November 26, 2007 at 12:38 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

I dont think it would be automatic but more likely than the BCS game. I think we could win the BCS game but it has more risk. There is the possiblity however that Mizzery loses to OU by so many points that the fall below KU and KU still gets to go to the Fiesta. Just having Mizzery make the NC would make me vomit all over myself. They would be even more insufferable for years to come.

They may have had the sign that said "KU a tradition since september" but a sign about them would say "Mizzery a tradition because they suck at everything else"

November 26, 2007 at 12:42 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

seattlehawk_78 (anonymous) says...

I absolutely want the best possible scenario for KU but I believe the best possible scenario for KU football is for their most hated rival to lose. Ask Michigan fans if its in their best interest for Ohio State to win. Or, Alabama-Auburn, Duke-North Carolina, etc. It is not in anyones best interest for their chief rival to win. While your at it, ask Mizzou fans if they want KU to win a national title in basketball this season.

November 26, 2007 at 12:45 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

oldalum (anonymous) says...

Maybe we should hope for whatever is the best prize for the team since they are the ones that earned it.

November 26, 2007 at 1:08 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

wcormode (William Cormode) says...

If the players want Mizzery to win so they can go to the Fiesta bowl that is fine with me. I just dont think anyone who calls them self a Jawhawk and means it could every cheer for mizzery no matter what the circumstance. I am sure the players want more than anything else to go to the BCS game and I hope they get their wish. If you want to cheer them on do it in your head and take what we get.

November 26, 2007 at 1:17 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

KFoz (anonymous) says...

Jayhawk 86, I am in the same boat you are in. A BCS bowl is better for the program. I won't repeat what I posted on the basketball notes page, but I will cheer for an OU loss (I was at KU in '88 when we lost to them three times but beat them in the fourth game so yea, they too are a rival). And our strength of schedule increases with an OU loss, just as it did with an A&M win over TX. I might not be able to cheer for MU, but I will always cheer for what's best at KU.

As far as the arguments posted for others cheering for losses to increase their own programs standings, that is the way the system is set up. Perhaps the nation will look at KU as a fluke (and Hawaii) and finally move in the direction for a football playoff. But until then, I will cheer for anything that improves KU's standing.

November 26, 2007 at 1:19 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Jayhawk86 (anonymous) says...

One of the reasons I would like to see us in a BCS bowl is for the exposure. It took us sooo long to get into the rankings this year because nobody thought we were any good to begin with. If we win a big game on a big stage, I think that will help set us up better for next year. We could start the season ranked and be respected.

Nobody questioned Ohio State's strength of schedule even though ooc they played Akron, Youngstown State, Kent and Washington. The reason for this is because OSU started out ranked and people expected them to be good regardless of how weak their schedule was.

We are going to have a very strong schedule next year, and it would be nice to start out ranked.

November 26, 2007 at 3:58 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

pmohr13 (anonymous) says...

If missouri lost then it would be up to the bcs bowls to give etheir us or missouri an at-large bid, seeing that the bowl officials came to or pep rally instead of missouri's gives me a hint that they would more then likely pick us and not them.

November 26, 2007 at 4:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jsmith725 (anonymous) says...

"On the other hand, if the 17 million makes it so we can get out of Arrowhead after this next year and return to Memorial for all of our "home" games then I guess I will hope for that."

Don't count on it....... Lew and the heavy-hitter boosters were sitting comfortably in the Hunt's suite, where they didn't have to endure beer sprayed on them by drunk Mizzou fans or listen to f-bombs and "mf'er" every sentence. Perkins and friends probably thought the Arrowhead experience was wonderful.

November 26, 2007 at 4:41 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

bobsarobot (anonymous) says...

there is only one way to root when it comes to KU and missouri.....we want to get a BCS bowl bid and win. we also want missouri to win the national championship. it is the best thing for both the big XII conference and the status of both teams on a national scale. the big XII needs to keep up with big seasons and putting teams in the title game. don't get so hung up on hating missouri, it's that simple.

November 26, 2007 at 4:52 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

jayhawk909603 (anonymous) says...

725, you can't write Lew'$ name without a dollar sign! He's made some tough decisions to keep us in this arms race, but this one sucked.

November 26, 2007 at 4:53 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

chazzychef (anonymous) says...

I will NEVER root for MU to win the National Championship, much less the Big XII title. We're up high enough in the BCS Standings that we'll probably get into a BCS game regardless. Screw what's best for the Big XII, if MU wins the national title we will NEVER hear the end of it, and those people are rude and loud and stupid. As far as say, Fiesta or Cotton Bowl, Fiesta all the way!!! I would much rather play ASU in Phoenix than some SEC team in the Cotton Bowl. We will beat ASU in national spotlight prime-time. Have you seen them play?!? I would MUCH rather have that game than take the risk of losing in the Cotton Bowl to some bad M.F.'er from the SEC.

November 26, 2007 at 5:43 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

summers (anonymous) says...

Root for whomever you want, it doesn't impact who actually wins. That will be decided on the field. I will be rooting for OU knowing full-well that a MU win is better for KU. We, as fans, have no impact on who will win, right. We all know that don't we? That game will happen with or without us. If some of you want to root for MU, be my guest. I won't hold it against any of you... bottom line, a Mizzwho win is better for KU this time around, and we need the bigger spotlight of a BCS bowl game to continue to prove this year was NOT a fluke! But I have to root for OU over MU.

November 26, 2007 at 6:12 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

beakemhawks (anonymous) says...

boomer

sooner

November 26, 2007 at 7:32 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

Ross (anonymous) says...

If OU wins they get the Fiesta Bowl as Big XII champs. That means MU gets the BCS at-large. KU might get one also (seems there may not be enough qualified teams to limit each BCS conf to just 2 teams per the rules) but unlikely.

I want the best bowl for KU for the exposure and recruiting boost. I like the idea of MU getting pounded by WVU in prime time, but that hurts KU by vindicating the press's "ain't played nobody" theme. So, I hope MU wins it all (man, did THAT hurt to type).

As for the Fiesta bowl...not sure they'd pick ASU. One reason the bowls were created was to bring tourists to town. Locals may buy tickets but they don't fill hotel rooms. That said, yes, the Orange Bowl picked Miami on more than one occasion, but I think that was to set up a NC matchup more so than anything else.

November 26, 2007 at 8:46 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

troutsee (anonymous) says...

The number one priority of the bowls is to fill their stadium. That and their sponsors are where they make their money. The benefit to the community is not their concern.

November 26, 2007 at 10:07 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

matt95 (anonymous) says...

If MU loses, KU will go BCS and MU will not. Reason, MU will have the most recent loss and two of them to boot. Throw in a WVU loss and KU might get just enough votes to jump two loss Georgia who also didn't win it's side of the conf division and play in the NC game. It could happen. Sound too weird okay, then how is 3 loss Fla ahead of undefeated Hawaii ?

November 26, 2007 at 11:10 p.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

summers (anonymous) says...

Matt95- I see your reasoning but the reason "A" Ohio State Univ and Georgia are ranked as they are is because of the conferences to which they belong. Based upon history, the voters want Big East, SEC of Big 10, or another Big Name school; KU is none of those things. The voters have even put USC into the mix as best they could considering their record.

November 27, 2007 at 12:42 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

JBurtin (anonymous) says...

summers nailed it, it really doesn't matter at this point who you want to win or lose. If Mangino has taught his team anything, it is that you control the things that you can control. If you take care of your business, the rest will all come with it.

At this point, the part that we can control as fans is to buy as many tickets to whichever bowl game selects us, and pack the stands with screaming Jayhawk fans.

I've said before that I will never root for Missouri, and I hold to that. I will never be happy for them to succeed in anything and I feel perfectly comfortable saying that because I know that my opinion really doesn't effect the outcome of any of MU's remaining games.

If they win, I will be happy for KU going to a BCS game, and I will still know that they are proud to have fought for slavery.

If they lose, I will be happy that they lost and yell my butt off at whatever bowl selects us.

From this perspective, it's a win/win.

November 27, 2007 at 1:21 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )

nycjayhawk (anonymous) says...

Matt95, I don't think that we can leap Georgia, but there is history for a Big 12 back in. 2001, Nebraska lost its last game to Colorado and thus did not win its division or the Big 12, yet still played for the title when Colorado beat Texas in the Big 12 championship game. But I think Nebraska went from 4 to 2 that year, not 5 to 2, and there was no idle Georgia to leap. I just don't see how we get over Georgia unless a thousand zany things happen our way (i.e., a miracle).

November 27, 2007 at 9:11 a.m. ( permalink | suggest removal )