Saturday, February 3, 2007

The Law wins late as A&M leaves Allen as a 69-66 winner


Update #10: Final, Texas A&M; wins 69-66

Sasha Kaun missed the front end of a one-and-one out of the break, and Acie Law hit another clutch jumper off the glass to make it a four-point game, giving him 15 points and seven assists on the night.

Chalmers missed an arc of a three, but Antanas Kavilauskas was called for his fourth foul with 2:53 left while Russell Robinson was going for the board. Robinson hit both free throws in the bonus, and Collins checked right back into the game after the second one went down.

KU was able to force Kavilauskas into a bad turnover in traffic almost immediately, but KU returned the favor with the clock right at two minutes, KU leading 64-58.

Acie Law wound up putting in a tough, leaning two while getting fouled with 1:38 to go. The free throw made it a 64-61 game with KU still holding the lead.

After a timeout, Texas A&M; had a great strategy of fouling Sasha Kaun to put him on the line where, true to form, he struggled and missed his first attempt, giving the ball back to A&M.; Jones missed a three, but Kavilauskas canned the put back while being fouled, pulling A&M; within one point with exactly one minute left. The bucket was also the first second-chance field goal A&M; has hit yet. Kavilauskas hit the free throw to tie it at 64-64.

Julian Wright took a back door pass from Russell Robinson to give himself a double-double at 11 points and 10 rebounds, leading A&M; to call a timeout with :44.3 left.

Acie Law had the ball poked from his grasp by Brandon Rush and out of bounds. The ball stayed with A&M;, and Law hit a three to put the Aggies up 67-66 with :23.9 to go. KU called a timeout with :20.5 to go. Law now has a game-high 21 points.

Chalmers missed a floater with :05.2 to go, and a Pompey rebound resulted in an outlet pass to Acie Law, who was fouled immediately.

Law hit the free throws to put A&M; up 69-66 and a Mario Chalmers three missed off just the glass. Law finished with 23 points and seven assists, and gave Texas A&M; sole possession of first place in the Big 12 at 7-1, 19-3 overall. KU is now 19-4 overall and 6-2 in conference play. The Jayhawks will be back in Allen Fieldhouse Wednesday to take on Kansas State at 7 p.m.

Update #9: 3:52, second half, KU leads 62-56

Josh Carter tried to take another huge chunk out of the deficit, but missed a three from the corner, and Sherron Collins came right back with yet another three, giving him 18 points on the night. Jones tried to answer with a three of his own, but clanked it away.

Sasha Kaun then scored his first points of the night on a turnaround off the glass, quickly making it a 10-point game with 6:27 left to play.

Donald Sloan scored his first points of the second half, slashing down the right side of the defense for two off the glass, and then KU turned it right back over, only to see Texas A&M; miss another long shot. And again, A&M; had no shot at an offensive board, as KU is winning the rebounding battle, 37-21.

Mario Chalmers missed a two off the glass, as both teams are shooting a paltry 44 percent from the floor to this point. Joseph Jones came back to hit a mid-range jumper, keeping the Jayhawks within range, trailing 62-56.

KU let the ball slip away on its next possession out of another called timeout, giving the Aggies a chance to cut a little closer. Dominique Kirk missed a two, and Acie Law missed a runner on the rebound, but the ball went out of bounds, keeping the ball with the Aggies. Carter missed a two, keeping it an empty possession for A&M.;

Update #8: 5:37, second half, KU leads 57-52

Acie Law hit one of two free throws out of the break, and a Darnell Jackson dunk on the other end slipping behind the A&M; defense one-upped it, putting KU up by nine again. Texas A&M; was again blanketed defensively and forced into a bad shot, but Brandon Rush's step-back three attempt aired at the midway point of the second half.

Darnell Jackson came down to throw a Kavilauskas shot, and sprinting to the other end, after a Sherron Collins miss, he flipped the ball at full speed off of a Texas A&M; player to keep the ball in KU's possession. Russell Robinson then hit a two to make it a double-digit lead at 57-46.

Acie Law missed a three, and on the other end, Joseph Jones was called for his fourth foul after pushing Sasha Kaun from behind at the 9:14 mark. Darrell Arthur slipped and fell over, giving the ball back to A&M;, and Jones came right down to hit a three at the top of the key, pulling the Aggies back within eight points.

A&M; called a quick timeout after the hoop to get Jones out of the game.

Jones and Kavilauskas, though, came right back into the game at the 8:29 game after a KU turnover. Josh Carter quickly proceeded to roll in his third three of the game, this one from the corner. That made it again a five-point game, with KU leading 57-52.

KU called a quick 30-second timeout, and Brandon Rush missed a mid-range jumper immediately afterwards, giving A&M; the ball again with some momentum. Sherron Collins was whistled for a foul, bringing the game to a break at the 7:36 mark.

Update #7: 11:37, second half, KU leads 53-45

Acie Law again made it a five-point game, but KU's lead ballooned right back up as Brandon Rush was goaltended after slashing down the heart of the A&M; defense towards the rim. A missed Aggie three-pointer then turned into a Russell Robinson long offensive rebound. On the other end, Darrell Arthur scored on a third-chance bank from up close, putting the Jayhawks up by nine.

Josh Carter quickly sliced into the game's biggest point spread with his second three of the game, and Sasha Kaun was then blocked on the other end, only to have Texas A&M; put the ball right back into KU's possession.

Sherron Collins didn't score right away, but did something just as valuable for KU - drew the third foul of the game on Kavilauskas. Collins hit both free throws to put KU up 48-40, as A&M;'s three leading scorers now each have three fouls.

Dominique Kirk came right back to hit his second three of the half, as A&M; continues to linger, down just five. Darrell Arthur was blocked on the other end by Kavilauskas, but Texas A&M; again couldn't capitalize on consecutive possessions, this time thanks to a three-second call against Joseph Jones.

Sherron Collins again made them pay, hitting a driving layup across the lane, giving him a game-high 12 points. Kirk answered yet again for A&M;, with a slashing two on the baseline.

Collins' big night kept going, as he hit a three at the top of the key, but he was called for a foul on the defensive end, bringing the game to a halt at the 11:37 mark.

Update #6: 15:53, second half, KU leads 42-35

Brandon Rush was again aggressive on KU's first possession out of the half, and got to the line to hit one of two free throws. After KU took the ball back, he missed a running bank shot, followed by a Sasha Kaun missed dunk and another missed Rush jumper, finally sending the ball into A&M;'s possession.

Joseph Jones missed inside, and Russell Robinson came right back with his second field goal of the game, putting KU up 38-30, finally giving the Jayhawks a little bit of breathing room.

Acie Law missed a runner down the lane, which turned into a blown offensive opportunity for KU. On the flip side, Dominique Kirk hit a three for A&M;'s first field goal of the second half. Julian Wright came back with a free-throw line jumper, giving him nine points. Acie Law answered back with two of his own, making him the first player for either side to get into double digits in the scoring column.

Rush followed it up by missing again from close range, but A&M; handed it right back with an Antanas Kavilauskas traveling call.

Mario Chalmers scored for the first time in awhile with a floater in the lane after Russell Robinson nearly lost the ball off of his foot, putting KU up by seven at 42-35. KU was called for a travel as Russell Robinson and Mario Chalmers collided on an offensive rebound, sending the second half into its first break.

Update #5: Halftime, KU leads 35-30

Sherron Collins made a highlight reel-worthy layup on a beautiful feed from Julian Wright out of the timeout, as he windmilled it in traffic from the left wing off the glass, and then KU forced a turnover as the clock wound under three minutes.

KU, though, gave the ball right back in a loose ball scramble on the outside.

After a heated trip, though, when Russell Robinson tried to draw an offensive foul from Acie Law that went uncalled, Bill Self was called for a technical foul, and Josh Carter hit two free throws to pull Texas A&M; within one point. Dominique Kirk then missed a jumper which went out of bounds, but the ball stayed in the Aggies' possession. Though a five-second call was whistled while A&M; was trying to inbound the ball with 2:06 to go.

Julian Wright drove hard against Marlon Pompey and got his first crack at the free throw line of the first half. He hit one of two, putting KU up 30-28.

Acie Law tied the game by flying to the rack down the right side away from a set up double screen. Law has a game-high eight points. Law eluded Wright on the layup, but Wright came right back down and hit two free throws, keeping the edge in KU's favor.

KU forced an easy turnover quickly, and after Julian Wright missed a turnaround jumper on the left side, Darnell Jackson was fouled going for an inside putback. Jackson hit one of two, but Brandon Rush snagged the offensive rebound with KU up 33-30.

KU called a quick timeout, and Sherron Collins again provided quick offense after it, scoring his seventh and eighth points of the game on a slashing layin. KU forced a turnover to take the ball for the half's last shot. Brandon Rush slammed a three-point attempt between the rim and the glass, keeping it a 35-30 game at the half. Sherron Collins and Acie Law have eight points apiece for the Jayhawks and Aggies, respectively. Brandon Rush has seven for KU.

Update #4: 3:20, first half, KU leads 27-26

Joseph Jones continued his noisy re-entry into the game, htiting a deep three, only to be answered by Darrell Arthur's first points coming in the form of a 15-foot jumper, tying the game, 20-20.

Kavilauskas took himself into the paint in response, and got himself to the free-throw line. He made one of two to put A&M; back on top. Acie Law extended it when A&M; got the ball back, pulling back for a smooth 18-foot jumper with the shot clock dwindling in Sherron Collins' face, putting the Aggies up by three.

Brandon Rush scored his first basket of the game on a third-chance bucket inside as the game cracked under the six-minute mark in the first half, and Kavilauskas came back down hard again in the paint, once again getting to the free throw line. He hit one of two before getting back on the bench with two fouls.

Rush then got to the free throw line for KU's third trip there on the evening. He hit both of his, tying the game, 24-24. KU put some defensive pressure on when A&M; brought the ball back up court, and Mario Chalmers forced a turnover and then got to the line for KU's first bonus trip. He missed the front end of the one-and-one, though, making it moot.

Moments later Texas A&M; took advantage of the bonus, and Donald Sloan hit both of his, putting A&M; back on top. Brandon Rush came right back to use a screen atop the key to hit his first three of the game, giving him a team-high seven points and KU a one-point lead. Bryan Davis was forced into a shot-clock violation on the other end, bringing the game to its final standstill before halftime.

Update #3: 7:33, first half, KU leads 18-17

A&M; missed two shots badly off of the side of the glass after another break in the action, giving the ball back to KU. The Jayhawks tried to get fancy, and a Russel Robinson-to-Darnell Jackson lob attempt failed, turning the ball back over.

Jackson was then whistled for a foul away from the ball under the hoop, as fouls are piling up, and A&M;'s Joseph Jones went right back after him on the inbounds, keeping the ball in the Aggies' possession after it flipped out of bounds. The Aggies came away empty-handed, as Kavilauskas missed another three.

Kavilauskas blocked Wright's spinning jumper on the other end of the floor, sending it out of bounds with the shot clock at 14 seconds. But on the inbounds pass, Russell Robinson hit a long two on the wing to give KU back the lead at 13-11.

After A&M; again had trouble setting up on offense, Sherron Collins came down to get himself to the free throw line for the first time on the night. He made one of two, giving KU a three-point lead. Acie Law came right back down with a floater on the left side. Julian Wright's response was a mid-range jumper, keeping the lead at three.

Bryan Davis had a spinning deuce on the offensive for Texas A&M;, and Darnell Jackson came hard right back down on the other end to get himself to the free throw line. Jackson hit both free throws, keeping KU's lead at three, 18-15.

After the second free throw, A&M; coach Billy Gillespie re-entered Joseph Jones into the game with two fouls, making him and Kavilauskas play with eight minutes to go in the half with two fouls apiece. Jones immediately hit a mid-range jumper, and a Darrell Arthur travel call put the game at another stop at the 7:33 mark.

Update #2: 11:46, first half, game tied 11-11

Out of the timeout, Sasha Kaun lost the ball in the paint in a scrum, and he got back down on the floor to force a tie-up, giving the ball back to KU. Dominique Kirk came back down to make himself open in the paint for an easy layup, giving A&M; a three-point lead on a sweet feed from Acie Law.

A KU turnover gave the ball back to the Aggies, but the opportunity was squandered. After KU turned it right back over, Acie Law called a desperate timeout while falling out of bounds.

After the brief break, both teams blew opportunities on offense, and then Kavilauskas missed his first three-point attempt for the Aggies. Sherron Collins came back and hit his first trey of the game to tie it up, 11-11.

Kavilauskas' answer was a fading bank shot in the paint while being fouled. The basket was waived off, though, as the teams headed to a timeout at the 11:46 mark.

Update #1: 13:52, first half, Texas A&M; leads 9-8

Dominique Kirk missed a three long off the back iron after Texas A&M; won the opening tip, and a tip out of bounds gave the ball to KU. And after KU couldn't score on its first possession, the Jayhawks got the game's first points on a Mario Chalmers layin on the second go-around.

Texas A&M;'s Josh Carter came back with a three-pointer, having entered the game as a 51-percent shooter from deep.

A couple of blown possession on each side put the ball in A&M;'s hands with 17:30 to go, but the Aggies were called for an offensive foul, with offense still coming at a premium. Chalmers scored again for KU to put the Jayhawks up 4-3, as he's responsible for KU's first two field goals. He was called for a foul against Acie Law, though, on the other end. After the Aggies couldn't score on the second opportunity, Sasha Kaun was called for a charge in the paint on the other end.

KU squelched a golden opportunity to extend its lead when Brandon Rush double-clutched a layup attempt and lost it off the iron in the open court. But after the Jayhawks forced a steal, Julian Wright threw down a two-handed dunk to put KU up 6-3. Antanas Kavilauskas came back with a layup, and an Acie Law short-range jumper put A&M; up 7-6.

Mario Chalmers scored his fifth and sixth points on a layup after Darrell Arthur corralled an offensive board off of a Julian Wright missed jumper. Bryan Davis put in a jumper off the glass for A&M;, putting the Aggies up 9-8 with 13:52 to go in the half.


As if tonight's showdown between No. 6 Texas A&M; and No. 8 Kansas at Allen Fieldhouse didn't have enough build-up, what with ESPN Gameday on hand, T-shirts on every seat and the raucous atmosphere and all, six Top-25 teams having already lost today adds that much more.

Two of those six ranked teams to slip on a thrilling Saturday afternoon are from the Big 12 - No. 23 Texas falling to Kansas State down in Austin, 73-72, and Colorado pulling off a huge home upset in the form of an 89-77 win over No. 12 Oklahoma State. The game tonight in Lawrence guarantees that a third ranked Big 12 team will join them.

The Jayhawks enter tonight as slight favorites, and a good portion of that comes from a homecourt advantage. On paper, the two teams are pretty similar, and both can defend with the best of them, presenting the likelihood of a low-scoring contest.

Just as was the case two years ago when the Aggies came to town, in which they fell just short, 65-60, senior guard Acie Law IV and junior forward Joseph Jones will be their top one-two punch. Law averages 16.4 points and 5.0 assists per game, and Jones, who had 16 points and seven rebounds in Allen Fieldhouse as a freshman, is posting 13.7 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. The Aggies, 18-3 overall, are 6-1 in the conference and tied at the top with KU, who aside from being 6-1 in Big 12 play is 19-3 overall. The winner tonight will have sole possession of first place in the Big 12.


HotCarl9 11 years, 5 months ago

some things i was thinking during the game:

  1. If I made a sign for the game it would have Vitale's head inside a christmas package and it would read, "Dick in a Box"

  2. If i had ovaries and a womb, i'd gladly carry 10,000 of Sherron Collins' babies like the Queen from Aliens

  3. Sasha should watch the Apollo Creed/Ivan Drago match from Rocky IV before games to get pumped and before the jump ball go up to the opposing center and say, "i must break you"

  4. Self should hire another smokin' hot team manager like the calendar girl under Roy

  5. Transparent warmups like in the Heavy D video for Now That We've Found Love

I think after that every thing is gravy. Go hawks.

estaboy 11 years, 5 months ago

Remember the good ole days when no one beat KU in Allen and teams feared to play here, I long for those... oh well. Rock Chalk anyways...

KyleXY 11 years, 5 months ago

Another blown opportunity to impress recruits. Nothing like being the featured nationally televised game and losing at home.

Nothing like losing to ORU after being on Sports Illustrated.

Nothing like being bounced 1st round from the NCAA tournament two consecutive years.

18 years was a nice streak to have had in Bramlage too.

Win at Mizzou this year?

Ahhhh, the Bill Self years.

brooksmd 11 years, 5 months ago

Hmmmm, I seem to recall Collison, a good ft shooter, threw up a bunch of bricks against Syracuse in New Orleans. So, should Roy have taken him out late in the game? Just wondering?

seattlehawk_78 11 years, 5 months ago

It's the law of inverse success. KU's improved football program is diminishing their basketball program. With the exception of a few schools with Exxon-Mobil size athletic endowments like Florida and Texas, most schools can not field a competitive football and basketball program simultaneously. K-State was a basketball school up until the time Bill Snyder arrived in Manhattan. As their gridiron prowess improved each year their basketball team became increasingly more laughable. In recent years their football team has slipped while their basketball team has become respectable. Works for mediocre teams as well like Missouri. They have attained the perfect balance of mediocrity in both football and basketball. They rarely arise above this standard in either sport but if either team should for some inexplicable reason improve from their consistent state of predictability, expect the other program to deteriorate accordingly.

SpeedRacer 11 years, 5 months ago

"Build-up adds before KU's biggest..."

What the heck does that mean?

bethnbob 11 years, 5 months ago

Am I wrong? It doesn't look like they are playing like they want to win.

Geekinout 11 years, 5 months ago

Wow, big shock! Self getting out coached again in the late minutes. Disgusting!!!

Theutus 11 years, 5 months ago

Better yet, Self needs to use his head and take Kaun out with under 5 to go.... Self just got out-coached....

And i'm not even a Self hater....

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

hmmmmmmmmmmmm, Let's see, another out-coached game by Self! Unbelievable! This better light someone's ass on fire. Unacceptable! 17-4 run to end the game. Great! What the "F" is Sasha doing in at the end of the game. Gillespie is a freakin good coach.

Maurice Wooten 11 years, 5 months ago

it was a great game between two good teams.....this was a good game to learn from....just need to put it behind us and get back work......and I know some of you people are gonna yell about the officating....but it wasn't what last us the game....(IT DIDN'T HELP)......but it didn't lose us the game...although it was poorlly officated.

kc_wildfire 11 years, 5 months ago

So much for Rush being a shut down guy. Up by three points he plays off of Law giving him a wide open three pointer which he swishes. He should have been up in his face making him drive and if he scores we still lead by a point. Major miscue by Rush.

Theutus 11 years, 5 months ago

It wasn't a "swish" it was a lucky shot off the front side of the rim... You rarely see shots like that fall....

Regardless, I still think this loss falls on Selfs shoulders...

A highschool coach knows to take out a 50% free throw shooter at that point in the game....

voygr1 11 years, 5 months ago

Bill Self blew this one along with the one and only Paul Jansen!!!!!!!!!!!

He still makes bad calls but then again no one will tell it like it is!! Jones and their other big man should have fouled out. along with Law at least Bill got a technical on that one

Big 12 officials suck big time!!!!!!

Tired of seeing bad refs on big games

bethnbob 11 years, 5 months ago

What do they mean Texas earned the win, we had a ten point lead and f----- blew it. I'm not against Bill Self but our players seem like they are not ready for games like this. Ok, I hope I'm wrong but here we go. All together now,....... THERE'S ALWAYS NEXT YEAR!!!!!!!

Maurice Wooten 11 years, 5 months ago

Law gave rush a little shoulder fake to the goal..and rush had to honor it cause law had been taking it to the whole.....but rush still got a hand in his face, law just made a play

kc_wildfire 11 years, 5 months ago

Or maybe it would have been tied. Whatever the case, he should have been on him tighter.

I agree with Kaun not having been in the game late as he is a poor free throw shooter.

Also, Self getting a T in the first half didn't help matters. It was going to be a close game and every point and scoring opportunity would be crucial. To give them "free" points wasn't smart. Even if it was over a bad call.

charlestonhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Why Why Why do you take collins out of the game in the second half?

trngchiefgary 11 years, 5 months ago

CHOKE CHOKE CHOKE. I didn't see this coming.

A visiting team goes on a 17-4 run to end the game. Self has Kaun in the end of the game and they foul him. Imagine that? Self learned nothing from MU and Moody last year. KU plays the end of the game thinking they have enough points to win instead of trying to stretch the lead.

More important, this team continues to not put people away. They had the game in control and let it get away. They have underachieved all year and I don't think they can put two months of good basketball together without some more melt downs.

Huggins is smiling right now because he knew he could out coach Self but didn't think he had the talent to compete. They have competed better than anyone expected and his team is mentally tougher than KU.

KU could be looking at a 3 game losing streak because even with the loss today to Nebraska MU will also be licking its chops next Saturday.....where KU has yet to beat MU in their new arena.

Hopefully we won't pull an OSU and lose to Colorado.

Huskerhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Kaun missed the front end of two 1 and 1 chances late in the game. He scored two pints in the last two games. With A&M's bigs in foul trouble the idea was to go to Kaun but he's got to deliver. Not a good week for Kaun.

charlestonhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

At least the tar heels lost today against an unranked team!

William James 11 years, 5 months ago

The blame for this loss goes to A&M. Those guys are real good, theyve got lots of guts and confidence and man are they clutch. Youve got to give credit were its due. So we are a game down, its not the end of the world. There is still eight conference games to go, and a red hot K-State team is coming to town, not much time to sulk.

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago


The Hawks Outrebound one of the best defensive rebounding teams. The Hawks Field Goal Percentage was above what AM was giving up. The Hawks were above by 11 points The Hawks were above by 11 points at home The Hawks were above by 11 points at home late in the second half.

The Reasons why the Hawks lost:

FREETHROWS!!!...We can blame Kaun for his lack of Freethrow shooting ability...but then had it been someone else it would have had the same result.

The Aggies NEVER GAVE UP!...something the hawks have been quite fond of doing this season.

Our lack of defense on the Perimeter has been a PROBLEM ALL YEAR...see Sammy Mejia, Veachy, D. Dora, and Acie Law.


Overall it was a good game...too bad it didn't end the way we wanted it to .

Bone777 11 years, 5 months ago


Why did Chalmers take the last two shots. Especially down by one, why do you throw up a chit shot in the lane, instead of dishing down low. Very, very, very disappointing. I was excited all day to watch this game.

What a downer......

kuchicago 11 years, 5 months ago

Difficult to watch. Players should take some responsibility for the latest fiasco on national television, but Self gets the majority of the blame. Again, he was the second best coach on the floor.

kujayhawk7476 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey, even though the Great and Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Bill Self, got outcoached again, we can look forward to the Border War football game being played in Arrowhead Stadium.

Pray we exit the Big Dance in the first round again and that the football team goes no better than 5-7 so we can make the head coaching changes that are long overdue.

trngchiefgary 11 years, 5 months ago

Not a good week for Kaun? We need to see if Arthur can play? I still think the jury is out on him, but he can't seem to manage enough minutes because of Kaun. Kaun at best is a bull in a china closet. I think I'd rather have Chenaworthless playing instead of Kaun. He can't compete against the big time D-1 players. Someone should tell Bill that.

argentinehawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey jross, do you think we got aTm's best shot!!!??? I think so too. Oh well, I had to get that in there and rub it in your face. Self just got out coached. Bottom line. He should have saw it when that guy tried to tackle Kaun,and nothing was called. He should have called a time out, and put either Arthur or Jackson in the game!! I'm no coach, but ANYONE could have saw that!!! Come on Self, how could you not see that coming!? Up 11, and you let a team go on a 17-4 Run?? I'm not a Self hater, I like the guy, but come on. Learn how to coach, you are at KANSAS!!

cearle23 11 years, 5 months ago

I would like to hear what all of the Self defenders have to say about his excellent in-game strategy down the stretch of that game?!?!? Completely outcoached AGAIN. I don't see how any of the decisions he made down the stretch of that game can be considered good coaching by any stretch of the phrase.

Lin Rahardja 11 years, 5 months ago

Everyone could hear Gillespie was signalling 24 (to foul #24), and they did foul Kaun (without being called intentional). But it took 2 missed front-end of 4 free throws by Kaun before our own coach realize what was going on.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago

Now comes the voice of reason...


As a 2 or 3 seed in the NCAA tournament Kansas still has an excellent shot of going deep into it. There are only about 16 teams in the tournament that are legitimate threats to Kansas. Those 16 teams will be spread out over 4 brackets, so there will be about 4 power teams in each regional. As a 2 or a 3 you won't face the number one seed anyway so let's keep this in perspective: A and M is one of those power teams and we know that another day could produce a different result.

We're still in the Big XII race. A and M plays Texas yet and our schedule for the rest of conference play remains favorable.

And there's this...

A loss is good in the sense that it makes you buckle down, refocus, and come back playing like you have something the prove. I personally think Kansas plays better with a chip on their shoulder anyway, and that's not just whistling past the graveyard.

Having said that, what concerns me was our lack of scoring in the paint by the big men. I really thought that that would be the story at the end of the game one way or the other. We have to play more aggressively inside and get those guys going. It is a MAJOR concern, although it's not time to panic at this point because there are still 5 weeks to get it worked out. I do wonder, yet again, if the stretch of games leading into this one did not prepare us well to face the Aggies. Either way, whatever problems we have are still fixable.

Does anyone disagree?

Duane Peschka 11 years, 5 months ago

As usual another game lost because of poor coaching moves. S. Kaun should never be in a close the last 5 minutes. He only bricks free-throws. Only a dumb- ass would leave him in the game. He bricked free throws twice as A&M foul him on purpose. Also Collins should have been in the game. Take Rush out he didn't do anything. KU will lose more games due to poor coaching.

Niraj Shah 11 years, 5 months ago

I am sick this game is like so many games in the BS era. The boys just flat out choked. Losing an 11 point lead at home when is unacceptable. This game only makes me feel sicker than I already was. Love the Jayhawks, but better come ready to play Wednesday otherwise we can be in third place.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


Your post is simply ridiculous.

First of all, Self knows how to coach. Other than having Sasha in late, there wasn't much wrong with the game plan. It gave us a lead for most of the game and yet youre finding fault. Congrats to you fairweather fan.

And yes, we got A and Ms best game. I didnt say we NEVER got it. I said we dont ALWAYS. Tonight we did, and so you have succeeded in proving nothing.

But then again, Im coming to expect that from you...

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Why do you know you have to take a 50% FT shooter out? Remember when Haase (80% FT shooter) missed two against Temple and the game went to OT and we lost? 1 and 1 means if you miss the first you don't get a second chance. Any player could have missed the first one. Your assuming alot.

What about Chalmers missing a 1 and 1 in the first? What about Rush's missed layup? What about alot of things. Give A&M credit. When KU falls behind like we did to Oklahoma last year and we come back all the praise goes to the players, but when KU blows a lead it is all the coaches fault. No credit for A&M? No one on this board seems to have any respect for the opposing team and what they are capable of. Putting a game away is not as easy as typing it on this computer.

A.C Law is a great player. How many bounces on the rim did he get? KU didn't shoot well from outside and A&M did. Not the refs fault. KU just lost a close game to a really good team. It would have been close at A&M to. A&M is one of 5 teams in the country in the top 10 defensively and offensively. Congrats to A&M

Blame Self for a FEW things, but don't take credit away from A&M. That is disrespectful.

argentinehawk 11 years, 5 months ago

jross, just shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the only thing that we can expect from you are posts that are as long a 1000 page novel. Nobody cares what you have to say. Just make a simple post, even though many here know it's going to be wrong, and keep it short and sweet.

bethnbob 11 years, 5 months ago

it was a great game between two good teams.....this was a good game to learn from....just need to put it behind us and get back work......and I know some of you people are gonna yell about the officating....but it wasn't what last us the game....(IT DIDN'T HELP)......but it didn't lose us the game...although it was poorlly officated.


trngchiefgary 11 years, 5 months ago

jross: The #6 team in the country has lost to great teams such as ORU at home, DePaul and Texas Tech. Now they lose to their first ranked opponent at home and you think this teams plays better with a chip on its shoulder? Having loss to ORU or DePaul should have put them in a violent rage.

Your seeding must have come from what Vitale said tonight. What if KU loses 3 or 4 more games this year ( which is very possible)? Then there is the first round jinx.

Where has this team showed you or any of us they have any toughness or ability to not take teams for granted. This team is mental. Then need a psychologist instead of a basketball coach during the week

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

The Question is this:

Who will be Hungrier come Wednesday, the Hawks or the Wildcats?

I'm scared that the answer is the pussycats...

The Hawks really need to put the foot on their throats early and never stop giving it to them and let them hang around...

If not, then this stretch of games could get ugly...


feefifofum 11 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone really think we will go far in March. I don't. And I am beginning to not care. I guess it is alright. We have to face the facts that we don't really have a big time post player - would someone tell Coach Self. That way maybe we can just try to penetrate with guards and forwards and if guarded kick it out to someone for a 3 pointer. We did that a few times. Of course, good teams do it to us all the time.

Oh, what's the use.... hey Eddie, give me that bottle....

tjsarahriley 11 years, 5 months ago

Kaun in at the end of the game and Robinson out is absolutely moronic. Gillispie is a genius for fouling Kaun, the hack-a-Shaq strategy. And Self is a numbskull for having Kaun in the game. And our floor leader, Robinson, has to be in the game at the end.

I'm not a Self hater but in this game he was so clearly outcoached, it's incredible. The guy can recruit all the talent in the world but if he can't teach them to put their throat on someone when they're down, if he can't have the right players in the game at crunch time, then we will continue to get beat and we will continue to have very early exits in March.

Also, if we had one player with the killer instinct of Acie Law, that would make up for many of the deficiencies our team has.

firebill 11 years, 5 months ago

to whoom this trngchiefgary person is ku not only beat mu to close out the herns center but also open the new "wal-mart" mizzou arena with a win i do believe and maybe a another after that. well on that note there is really only two more records for our beloved coach self to lose and that is to eat a lose at bramlage coliseum after 23 or 24 straight wins and sit out of the big dance after 17 straight apperances which we might as well it would be better than losing another first round game. it all falls on self's shoulders he is the head coach and is the leader of this lost bunch. are we ever going to get the monkey off our backs?? he is dry humping us to death. why can't the team espically the coaches figure out how to motivate the players?? here is an idea run thier a**** at practice and run them some more at least look like we are in shape cause it gets out being out hustled. IT IS EMBARRASSING AND HUMILIATING TOO BAD OUR COACHES DO NOT SEE IT THIS WAY!!!!!!!

Lin Rahardja 11 years, 5 months ago

JRoss, that's how you loose a game, when two teams are so closed in strategy and execution, it's the little adjustments late in the game that would determine the outcome (besides luck, of course). Self did not reach fast enough, it was a good strategy from ATM to foul #24.

Not sure if we get their best game, they had lots of turn over, out rebounded, etc. No guarantee we learned anything out of this.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago

Im sorry argentine, but I wont shut up. If thats a source of frustration and/or anxiety for you then Im sorry. However, this is not a Nazi fascist regime that is under your control. I expect negative reactions in the face of a loss, even from you. Channel your aggressions into something positive. It really would do you a lot better.

Finally, the length of my posts are also something which is neither under your control nor your influence. If thats a problem I would suggest you get over it. Youre the one coming in here with a negative attitude, not me. This is not the Titanic going down. And as for your trash talking on Self, well...I trust his expertise a far sight more than yours.

Just relax Argentine...the Hawks are not down for the count even if you think they are.

FlaHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

A&M wanted the game and Coach Self got outcoached. Plain and simple. The KU team was too excited in first half and was very sloppy. The first 12-13 minutes of second half they settled down and minimized the TOs.

The last 6 minutes were a typical KU meltdown. Coach Self had no answer or clue on how to change the pace and break Aggies momentum.

Law is the real deal. The KU guards could not stop him and Rush did not have a decent game in any aspect. The KU guards made 10 TOs!

Kaun should not be in the game at the end. The guards were sloppy in getting him the ball and if you don't make a crisp pass then he gets mobbed and is all thumbs.

I don;t think Chalmers had a point after it was 11-11 early in game. Where did he go? Robinson had a bad game and Collins was the only offense, but his defense game up as many points as he scored.

Wright was invisiable on both ends. Jackson did not play much and Arthur played very little. Not sure why but his playing time. Jackson played welll in his time on floor. It seemed that Kaun was on the floor a long time, stats show only 19 minutes!

KU was totally lifeless other than last minute of first half and first 14 minutes of second half. Coach Self used poor clock managemnt and did not change momentem down the stretch. No Killer Instinct strikes again!

Niraj Shah 11 years, 5 months ago


Not dissing A&M but they were doing all the things you said and KU was up by 11. The problem is how do you give up a run to an opponent in your own building after playing 36 minutes to get the lead. The kids and HCBS choked this one. They better get their collective heads on straight otherwise K-State might make us feel even worse on Wednesday.

killjoy 11 years, 5 months ago

Billy E Self has a home appraised at $1,018,400 because he's such a great coach!

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


I agree. It was a brilliant manipulation on Gillespie's part to foul Kaun. He shouldn't have been in there. You're totally right and there's no arguing that.

More to the point though, the lead had been being chipped away at BEFORE that play, hadnt it? It was a fatal mistake leaving Kaun in. However, this was a great A and M team, and no "ONE" incident is responsible for the loss. I do understand your frustration. I thought Kaun should have been out as well.

argentinehawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey trngchiefgary, if you hang out here a little longer, you'll soon learn that jross THINKS his OPINIONS are always FACTS. He'll write a deep thought instead of a regular post. Get used to it. And then if you ever disagree with him, like you just did now, he'll think you're an idiot and criticize every post you make on here from here on out. But you are right!! I agree with your post 1000%

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Self can't coach a team in a close game? Florida this year? OK st at KU two years ago. Oklahoma last year just to name a few. Proves my point that when KU gets is done in a game nothing for coaching and all for the players, but blame only the coach when we lose a close one to a good team.

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

There goes JROSS with the NAZI stuff again...

Don't compare "Posting" with a Totalitarian gov't...Last time I checked it was YOU who wants everyone to think like yourself.

Cool, JROSS?

Sorry...Mein FUHRER!!

Dan Harris 11 years, 5 months ago


methawk84 11 years, 5 months ago

A horrendous loss!

Chalmers disappeared after the first five minutes of the game. Kaun was awful the entire game. Do you ever feel comfortable watching him catch the ball in the post --when he actually CATCHES the ball in the traffic? We refer to him as Sasha Scissors-Hands around these parts here in Florida. Both of Jones's threes were shot over Kaun. He is not a good rebounder. We threw at least two passes away down the stretch trying to force feed Kaun inside. Enough of trying to jam the ball into the paint, just to make a point. I realize Self left Kaun in the game because of A&M's foul trouble inside, but Jackson might have been the man to leave in the game.

When KU loses, they often lose from the line. Though we were not outscored from the stripe tonight, shoddy free-throw shooting hurt us. Chalmers missed the front end of a one and one in the first half, and, of course, Kaun's two misses were glaring. Yes, I'd feel a whole lot better with Moody at the line!

The other area that concerns me is our poor defending of the three-point line. When we lose, we are invariably outscored from threeland -- tonight 24 - 12. With KU up by 11 and with the ball, Arthur stumbles, A&M hits a three and then comes back with a stop and hits another three. The game slid into the abyss from there. I read where Billy Donovan makes it part of every practice to work on defending the three. The three is the great equalizer and most upsets, especially on the road, partly evolve through torrid three-point shooting.

Hope we come back with a vengeance against KSU. This loss hurts a lot, but as I tell my son, it's not the worst feeling. The worst day of the year is the day the 'Hawks get knocked out of the playoffs. (My son stomped out of the room with 5.2 seconds left when Chalmers missed the runner; we'll talk tomorrow!)

You knew this one would be close, just by the way that A&M kept the 'Hawks from jumping to an early lead before a jacked-up KU crowd. I hope the fans bring the same intensity on Wednesday, and that KU will be able to finish the deal!

Calm_in_the_Realm_of_Insanity 11 years, 5 months ago

This team has the greatest case of attention deficit disorder ever...

They can play unbelieveable but when it comes down to playing 40 minutes, they can't close. This is on the players. They have to make plays. You can't blame Coach Self all the time. That's a cop out. That's easy. Coach Self wasn't tight. Maybe Sasha shouldn't have been in the game. But that was one play in the game. This is typical of this team. And it comes down to these players.

Listen, we don't have a leader. We are relying on hope. And that's not enough. We don't have anyone to take over a game. We just don't. Collins looks like he may become that leader but he's not there yet. That's what happens when you don't have a senior or a even a junior that can step up. It's an obstacle that they have to overcome.

This is still a good team that CAN get real hot and go on a run. But to sustain that run to championship heights is unrealistic.

And by the way, this wasn't a pushover of a team. This is a team capable of getting to the Four. We just had them on the ropes and didn't put them away. And if you look back we didn't really put away Florida either. We let them take it to overtime and they were depleted. I remember the Jayhawk Nation being so pumped about that.

Everyone just needs to chill. This isn't a team that is elite. Our fans are just as guilty at believing the hype as our players.

Hype is hope with a different vowel. Championships are earned. Hype is given.

stujayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago












Self has prooven to us loss to richmond, loss to nova, loss to bucknell, bradly, ORU, etc. over, and over, AND OVER again that he can't coach!!!!




firebill 11 years, 5 months ago

i can't remember the last time self didn't get out coached you have 6 new coaches in the big 12 and a couple that have been there less than 3 years.yet, we still find ways to lose. d*** we suck or is it our coaching staff that sucks?? i am begining to lose faith in our bs coach oh wait that happened a long time ago. i hope he reads these comments and post them for motivation. Jesus Christ we host gameday and still yet no drive to win up by ten with under 5 to go. 17-4 run to close out the game great defense. i thought we quit running the ball to focus on half-court offense and defense???

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago



"jross: The #6 team in the country has lost to great teams such as ORU at home, DePaul and Texas Tech. Now they lose to their first ranked opponent at home and you think this teams plays better with a chip on its shoulder? Having loss to ORU or DePaul should have put them in a violent rage."

Yes, it SHOULD have put them in a rage.

I dont think it did.

I think they brushed it off thinking, "We are still the better team, and we are going to endure some losses." Brandon Rush has been saying all along more or less that they focus on the "big games". Now, I think he (and others) will reevaluate this position. Still, it wasn't like this was a loss on the order of ORU and Depaul. This one was understandable: it was to the number 8 team in the country. If you cant lose to a team of that caliber, then who CAN you lose to?

Patience, people. This is ONE GAME! It's not as if our Hawks have been disqualified from the tournament!

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Last year everyone complained that Moody was in at the end of the game. But Moody at that time was a better FT shooter than Kaun and Julian.

Turgeon? Yeah he is having quite a bad year with a majority of his players back. Did he forget how to coach all of a sudden or are his players not executing?

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


I like your posts too! They always make me laugh. :)

I suppose coming in here telling people to "shut up" is more on the order of what you prefer. I dont do censorship. If thats your bag, go for it.

All your unprovoked negativity really makes me question your motives, and whether or not youre really a genuinely unhappy person.

My advice again: keep the loss in perspective. KU is going to be alright!

michael anway 11 years, 5 months ago

The mediocrity of our Big Men came shining through again. We have no solid option to go to under the basket. We will go nowhere in March with this frontline.

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

Oh, Oh...

Now Dr. Phil is on the line...never mind its just JROSS

feefifofum 11 years, 5 months ago

A & M is a very good team - they are not great. It should have been a 8-12 point win for KU with that crowd and I think we had the foul advantage as usual. This team needs to go into a total media shutdown. I don't want to hear anything more about them other than what they do or don't do on the court. Let SELF explain it all - if he can.

Totally off the subject - why are we subjected to the pretty female sidelines reporter blabber. I know she is just doing her job - but who the hell cares about anything that she talked about. And it looked like they actually held up the beginning of the game so she could finish up her spot on .. I can't remember what.

Hey Eddie .. stay away from my bottle..

firebill 11 years, 5 months ago

jross1972 are you freaking joking about the tourment idea of only x amount of teams to beat us? if i rember right there we about 34+ teams last year oh wait the last two years better than us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know why because we have THE WORST COACH IN THE NATION !!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only reason that his first year at ku Bill Self's team went to the elite eight was a miles, dub, lankford, lee, moody do i see a trend team players who were coached how to win!! DON"T FOOL YOURSELF IT WASN"T BILL

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


NOW youre coming around! See how humor makes things go better? Good job...

jenaj21 11 years, 5 months ago

Its funny, I was comming on here to talk about how bad I hate being a jayhawks fan sometimes and how sad it was to see Bill get outcoached by his long time friend, but it seems its already been said! Well, obviously I can't agree more. WHY please tell me would we leave Kaun in the game when it became such a close game?? Gillepsie practically peed in his pants with excitement when he saw the mistake Bill did leaving Kaun in. I called it before it even happened. I know all you know this, as I see by your comments. So tell me one thing...How is it the fans can call it better than Bill when it comes down the stretch? Please help our jayhawks...or my hometown (ATL) will not be seeing our beloved jayhawks at the final four

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Hey "firebill" you have a short memory or your just angry and refuse to remember.

Go to and check it out. KU only had a 6 point lead with 5 minutes to go not 10. That is two possesions.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

Our performance tonight was decent, but A&M is simply a better team. We are what we are - the second or third best team in a mediocre conference. I would be surprised if any Big XII team made the Final 4 this year.

Note to Lew Perkins - I'm still waiting for the "swagger" to return to KU athletics.

fansincewilt 11 years, 5 months ago

I really thought we would win this one tonight. I hope we don't have to face anymore of Bill Self's former assistants or teams the rest of the way. I think St. John's is still on probation. Illinois might make it. Let's stay clear of those guys.

trngchiefgary 11 years, 5 months ago



05-06 lost to MU in OT 89-86 04-05 lost to MU 72-68 03-04 beat MU 84-82 to close out the Hearnes Center.

Also, we'd would love to have someone has wealthy as the Kroneke's and Laurie's in our back yard to sponge money from.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

You simply cannot lose that game. Why was Kaun in when we knew they would be trying to get him on the line? Why was #4 out? What the f***?

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


No, Im not joking.

No I dont think that only 15 other teams can beat us (especially because of whats happened in recent years).

Yes, I do think only about that number of teams are a "threat" to.

No, we dont have the worst coach in the nation. Far from it.

With a name like "firebill", I think that says something.

Bill Self has a better winning percentage right now than Williams did for the equal number of games coached at Kansas. Theres some perspective.

Really! All of those who are ready to jump ship in the face of a loss, I really have to question how devoted you are as fans if this applies to you!

If we had this discussion yesterday, most of you would have said it would not be unreasonable if Kansas didnt go undefeated the rest of the season. So why the panic NOW???


Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

It is starting to be harder to be a KU fan and it has more to do with the fans then how the team is playing. People in my family are Fire Self and Mangioni people as well. Mangioni has turned football around and we already want to fire him. My brother hates Self so much he stopped watching games. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Very hard to be a KU fan right now.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

jross - what is your definition of GREAT? Using your definition then there are 3 other "great" teams in the Big XII and I don't think there is one. Check out how this conference did against outside competition.

fansincewilt 11 years, 5 months ago

This is our team. We have to take the down times with the good times. I think we have many more good times coming our way. Boy, does this hurt.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

kickazzkurtz - you must be a latecomer. Try living through the 81-82 and 82-83 seasons. You don't know what "hard" is :)

stujayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Self needs to learn how to let his players play.

He's got more young talent than EVER before, yet he's restraining their talents.


BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

I miss the days of Simien, Collison, and LaFrentz, AKA the days of a TRUE post Player (Rebounding and Scoring).

Yeah, that "Hack a Shaq" was a pretty good move by Gillespie...

Sasquatch is SELF and get who? Last time I checked Turgeon's early season "camp fire" has been reduced to charred wood.

Self is the man for the'll be his job to get a TRUE Post Player in the coming years.

Kaun : DECENT Screen Man and Defender Arthur: OK scorer (but young) Wright: Man of MANY talents...Master of None Jackson: Good Rebounder and FREETHROW SHOOTER!!

If one of these guys, especially Arthur can stay out of Foul Trouble, Learn to Rebound, and Score Consistently...then I say he is the Answer to our woes in the in Post.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


I agree and disagree.

On the one hand, it IS disappointing to see the mass exodus of faith in the Jayhawks. I agree that there should be more persistant faith.

On the other hand, I have never found it difficult to be a KU fan. I dont care if Im the last one in the world bellowing out "Rock Chalk Jayhawk...Kaaay Yoooo" to an empty canyon with only the echoes to keep me company. Im born and bred Crimson and Blue.

But yes...very disappointing. I'll give you that.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

Not panicking, JRoss. Just pisses me off to lose like that, at home, on national TV, with America watching when we were up by 11. Not clutch at all.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

One theroy I have as to why Collins was on the bench. Late in the game he dove and lost the ball. Then a few plays later he dropped a pass on the floor for a jump ball that went back to A&M. Maybe that is why.

It's possible if Self would have left him in he would have gone for 20pts in the last 2 mins. It's also possible he would have kept turning it over and then everyone would be on Self for not benching him.

janeyb 11 years, 5 months ago

I love the hawks and usually don't complain about Coach Self, but he lost the game tonight. My brother started complaining at about the 4 minute mark that it was time to pull Sasha. It was supposed to be an evenly matched/close game, but that one mistake made a huge difference.

For Roy Williams lovers--My brother said it reminded him of a game where Roy forgot to pull Greg Ostertag and got us bounced from the NCAA tournment. Did see the last couple of minutes of the North Carolina game today, with Williams standing on the sideline acting like he was about to cry. On a positive note, he didn't run out on the court during play and shake any players, nor slam any chairs down today.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

I know what are record was those years. But I would still root for the team. I definetly am not a idiot who would fire a coach with a 77% winning percentage.

Did anyone see before the game that since the Self arrived we have the best conference record? Better than Duke, Kentucky, Arizona, Illinois and UCONN?

It is hard to be a fan because KU fans are starting to become A$%holes. That is a bigger shame than having a bad team.

Niraj Shah 11 years, 5 months ago

I still am sick to my stomach both literally and figuratively. A&M took the gift that was KU's collapse and went all the way to the top. Sometimes things do not work out, but that does not make me feel any better. It really ticks me off to see A&M dance on the floor at AF and I am glad our fans booed. I hope this loss fires up the boys, its one thing to get outplayed its another to give away a game. Let's lace them up and get ready for Thuggins and the rejuvenated Purple Kitties

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

janeyb - your brother is on the pipe.

91-92 - lost to UTEP but Ostertag played very well. 92-93 - UNC beat us handily in the Final 4 93-94 - Purdue beat us in the sweet sixteen. Glenn Robinson ate O alive, but there was no backup option that I remember. 94-95 - Virginia dominated us in Kemper.

William James 11 years, 5 months ago

kickazzkurtz-your last comment makes sense however the name of our football coach is Mangino.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

I figured I was spelling it wrong. Spelling is not my strong suit and I'm not Italian.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


I dont know the math you used to arrive at the number "3" from ANYTHING I said. Even I--yes I-- don't know what magic could have been conjured up to arrive at a certain number IN THIS CONFERENCE.

But regardless, Ill humor you.

Let me make a case that, since you want me to respond evidently, that Texas, OSU, A and M, and "maybe"..."maybe"...Kansas State might do some damage in the NCAA tournament. At least THREE of those are a "threat" to go deep into it (depending on how the brackets turn out of course). I could see Texas, OSU, and A/M really doing some damage.

What would be my standards for "greatness"? Good coaching and players with intelligence, athleticism, and hunger. Three teams above fit that billing, and even if I am wrong and they are not "great", you can't argue that they are certainly "really, really GOOD", and even those types of teams can wreak havoc in a tournament (consider George Mason, for example).

Ball's in your court...

jenaj21 11 years, 5 months ago

I made a comment about bill being out coached, but I in no way want him fired. Someone else said how hard it was to be a KU fan right now because of the lack of faith by the KU fans. Well this is how the fans vent. We have no control over the game and this is how we get some, is by venting to eachother.

We all love our jayhawks or we wouldn't be on here right now. I think about it like being a parent. The true fans can get angry and mad, but we still love them anyways. We see their potential (and I am including Bill) and we just want to see them reach it. I can tell everyone on here is a true fan of KU basketball and that is why we can get mad and angry and then tomorrow love them all over again.

We will see better days, I just hope they come soon. And as the cliche goes, lets hope this game helps us. Please let me see our team in ATL this year!

voygr1 11 years, 5 months ago

Guys this is unbelievable!!! Bill Self got out coached plain and simple and its not the first time...I have been a big supporter until tonight. When you see a player tackled that can not shoot freethrows you take him out. Jackson is 80% freethrow shooter. Could he miss YES but not as likely as Kaun. Making decisions is the job of the coach and he blew it again!!! Its getting old!! And again the Big 12 needs to step up ands start dealing with poor officiating...Its too bad coaches cant comment somene needs to address the real problems and I dont see Coach making good late game decisions!!! Plain and simple Bill BLEW IT

Bone777 11 years, 5 months ago

Kinda sad that Gillespie knows Sasha shouldn't be on the floor, because of his hideous free-throw shooting, but Bill can't figure that out.

Sasha should have acted like he was hurt after that tackle and let a good free throw shooter come in and make the shots. The only big man that can get away with that kind of free throw shooting is Shaq and Kaun is no Shaq.

What a huge disappointment......

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


Yes, I agree with you!

It is not time to panic, but DISAPPOINTMENT is an appropriate emotional response coming out of this game. ESPECIALLY because we appeared to have it in hand late.

Youre right!

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

The first foul against Kaun was on a rebound and A&M was not doing it on purpose. Self didn't take Kaun out because he was shooting the free throw. Then A&M went down and made a shot. Self would have to call a timeout and I don't know if we had one. After Kaun missed the next free throw and he found a break in the game he took Kaun out.

KU still had the lead but Law hit a good shot.

Geekinout 11 years, 5 months ago

Pulling the leading scorer of the team out pretty much the second half, keeping worst free throw shooter on the team in the game when you know they're looking to foul, and letting the coldest player of the game take the last two shots of the game...That is horrible coaching no matter how you want to look at it. I'm not one to fire the guy, but seriously, it's inexcusable! Also, D. Arthur is sadly starting to play like the late C.J. Giles. Out of rhythm and inconsistent. Granted he is young, but quick shots and looking to get his own just show's how far behind the curve he really is.

feefifofum 11 years, 5 months ago

The last time I checked , that gym over there in Lawrence had been sold out for many years. So, I don't think the fans can be blamed for bitching about these losses. KU owes the fans a little bit too. They should try to pull their heads out and the coaches should try a little harder to help them do that. And let us just keep all of them away from the media - as in the ESPN bowling segment. That was stupid.

I can't find anything else to bitch about. Good night.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


with regard to your post:

"Guys this is unbelievable...I have been a big supporter until tonight."

Some people might point out that this appears to be the definition of a fairweather fan. Support them anyway. I have no beef with you. Hell, I dont know you. However, this is the team we have. This is the coach we have. And we are the fans that support them.

Honestly, Ive seen comments from you and others (who like you are unhappy with tonights loss) who express such heartbreak with this loss that it appears to affect THEIR SUPPORT!!!

"I have been a big supporter until tonight"????

Respectfully, how does dropping your support help to positively impact this team?

dbgjayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

if nobody had noticed, bill self has had the best conference record out of any of the major conferences since he came to kansas. y'all just need to get a life and leave the guy alone. he obviously does a good job. gosh, you people are just frustrating the crap out of me.

Bone777 11 years, 5 months ago

Geekinout - word!

Chalmers should never have taken the last two shots. Get Collins a freakin' shot. He is the new go to guy, so go to him. I was disgusted by the shot selection. Mario - not good.

I think D. Arthur will impress in the tourney. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling...

dbgjayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

good point jross. fairweather fans have no place here.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

jross - I just checked the standings (A&M is 7-1 and three including us at 6-2). Granted this is simplistic, but it's more objective than the media hyping our "upside."

I will definitely agree that many teams can be threats in the tournament, and that is what makes it a tremendous event. There are so many good players out there right now that the era of dominant teams is over. KU COULD go to the Final 4. Lots of things are possible. However our alarming lack of consistency is unlikely to take a holiday all of a sudden in March. Hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see any evidence to suggest otherwise.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Let the coldest player shoot the last two shots? Does it occur to you that you draw up plays and then players go out and TRY to execute them. Maybe A&M defended somebody and the person who was suppose to shoot couldn't.

Players have to adjust and someone has to make a play. I don't think Darryl Dora was the player of choice two years ago to shoot a 3 pointer when he hit it and beat KU.

William James 11 years, 5 months ago

Someone said that Mizzou is licking thier chops to play us. We lost to A&M tonight while Mizzou lost to NEBRASKA. Thats right, the same team we almost kept to single digits in the first half. I dont think anyone in the country is licking thier chops to play KU. After losing to Nebraska I dont think Mizzou is licking thier chops to play anybody.

Bone777 11 years, 5 months ago

Two words about parity in college basketball...

George Mason

nough said...

Niraj Shah 11 years, 5 months ago

HCBS had a horrible day at work, how many of us can say we have not had a bad day at work. Problem is most of us do not get paid like HCBS and our work is not subject to national scrutiny. I would like to hear coach's explanation for some of the late game decisions. I just really hope the boys come out Wednesday and play 40 minutes of top notch basketball. It is sucks having to wait for Wednesday, I am sure the boys want to wipe away the feeling from this game.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

Hope we turn this into a 'good' loss and play pissed off down the stretch. Playing at MU/KSU (games we need to win in hostile environments - not so much MU in front of their 5,032 fans) will be good for the younger guys. Hope they learn from this and play balls out for the remainder of the season.

Also, can someone please send me some Gates? No BBQ in Los Angeles. Thanks.

Geekinout 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, back to my original point...out coached!

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

LAJayhawk...What about Arthur Bryants instead?

getserious 11 years, 5 months ago

I blame this game on C.J. Giles(knucklehead) Better defender, athlete, free throw shooter than Sascha. Sascha has no inside moves, at least C.J. had a little.

Joe Ross 11 years, 5 months ago


I don't know that this was a question of least THIS time.

If we'd have lost this game to a no-name like Canisius I could agree with you that we would have been "inconsistent". I don't think a win or a loss defines consistency in other words. I think if you lose and you played like dookie, THEN your consistency is in question.

I can understand your sentiment though. I think it comes from the SAME disappointment that I feel myself with the loss. Again, just a matter of perspective.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Nergie....said perfectly. We have won close games and lost close games. I still believe Self's biggest mistake was leaving Illinois. He loved KU so much from his coaching time here that he did though. To bad. He deserves better.

Obsession over coaching is becoming to much. I used to always complain that Roy sucked and chocked etc. Of course when Roy started coaching I was 8 years old and didn't know any better. Most people on here can't identify being a player and doing what a player does. So, they complain about the coach because everyone can identify with sitting on the sidelines and yealling out instructions. People like to think, yeah I can do that coaching thing. They break down plays after the fact and think they are brilliant.

You can't break down a 40 minute game to some decison in the last 5 minutes. Decison or not we wouldn't be saying this if Kaun made a free throw or Law misses his three pointers. Two plays made by players as the coaches sat and watched.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

jross - agreed. As I stated earlier I thought we played ok tonight. A&M played tough and deserves credit for keeping their poise. This is probably just payback for sliming out that win in Ames. Here's hoping we find some positive vibes through the rest of Feb/Mar/Apr.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

Sandwich from Bryant's, fries from OK Joe's and sauce from Gates (and OK Joe's). Would give my soul.

Throwing this out there. 'IF' this team under performs again in March, anything happen to the staff? Don't think we will but I certainly didn't think we'd lose to the Idiotly Braves last year either.

CMKUbLu304 11 years, 5 months ago

seems we're never ever supposed to lose. Not to the bad teams, mediocre teams, and now we aren't even supposed to lose to the really good teams either or the fans think we're terrible...I don't know about the rest of you, but...A&M is a GOOD team, Law is a GREAT player, and well, B.Rush messed up by letting him have that three. You don't see Brandon making a defensive mistake at the end of a game very often, but things happen. Yeah...maybe Jackson shoulda been in instead of Kaun...but maybe he just needs to learn how to make free throws. Everything can't be Coach's fault. HE'S NOT THE ONE ON THE FLOOR PLAYING.

We lost to a good team. Yeah we gave up 11 and 10 point leads, but A&M caught fire from deep, even with guys in their face. Who knew J.Jones could bust treys?? It broke my heart to see us lose, but come on, stop jumping on the fire self bandwagon. Who else you gonna get for the job? Yeah, that's what I thought. Coach Self is a good coach. Our boys aren't perfect every night. I'm sorry to dissappoint those of you who thought they were super-humans. They're not. deal with it. I love those guys, and I love Coach Self. Keep your heads up!

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago

LAHawk...BBQ is on its way

A loss wouldn't cause a shake up on the staff.

But, a first round loss (heaven forbid) MAY make the Powers that be at the AD's office question Self and the staff and make their leash that much smaller.

But hopefully that is a BIG what if...and like you don't forsee that happening.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

I've never said that we shouldn't lose. We're going to lose. Rarely going to be 'ok' with a loss, however. Loss today was worse b/c we were up by 11 and, seeminly, a few strategic moves could've made the difference. Take Kaun out, keep Collins in...

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone know for sure what KU finished on 3 point shooting? At the end of the game they showed KU 31%, which is 10% below our average and A&M hit 8 three pointers. I just looked at and it shows different stats now?

Anyhow, it seems like KU lives and dies by the outside shooting. 2 for 10 against ORU, 6-18 against Depaul. We were 40% against Tech, but I think there were to many missed layups.

KU is the first team to outscore A&M in the paint and we shot the highest FG% against them too. Outrebounded them as well. A&M hit to many 3's though and got the drives at the end. Two tradition 3 point plays to make a 6 point lead a tied game. Hard to believe we lost.

When we lose it seems to be 3 point shooting that does us in.

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago


What is an acceptable result/end result for the Hawks this year in the Tourney?

First Round Exit: could be considered a Disaster... Second Round Exit: A let down Sweet 16: A taste of the Regionals is a step in the right direction... Elite 8: I think that would be a realistic expecation and outcome for this team. Final Four: An appearance in the F4 would be satisfying outcome and many from JHawk nation would consider it a sucessful season Championship: ??????

What do you guys think?

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Sweet 16 at least. Anything less is disappointing. But you can catch a hot team in the second round anytime. Hard to tell. KU should be able to make the Final 4 though. Alot of times it comes down to how the brackets fall though.

Alex Staley 11 years, 5 months ago

Guys I wish you would come to the games and show as much intensity and passion there as you do here. I am a student at KU and the student section was unacceptably quiet today. I dont care if we are playing like crap, when our team needs us, we need to be there to help them. As for the final shot, The shot was clearly supposed to go to Sherron but he got trapped on the sideline and dished it to Mario.

I keep thinking we are going to be the team we are supposed to be. I cant place the blame on Self's shoulders. Our players need to get it together. Brandon Rush needed to become the leader of this team but he refuses to do so. Julian, even though he is my absolute favorite player on the team, has become more of a liability than an asset. Sasha needs to start hitting free throws and Arthur needs to start living up to his hype.

Look at it this way. Are the Jayhawks ever going to win a National Title again? No question about it. We will absolutely win another national championship at some point. But between those amazing seasons, we have to have seasons like this. But if you think about it, we really are not having a bad season at all. We have only lost 4 games! In the 02-03 season with Hinrich and Collison, at this point in the season we had lost 5. There is still time!!

Oh, and stop arguing with eachother!! We are all KU fans! You're attacking your own brothers/sisters!

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

After the last two years, just winning the 1st game will be nice (never thought I'd say that). This team has a sick amount of potential... Elite 8 and hopefully a lot more.

On a related note, going to punch a hole in my wall when Darnell thunder dunks on one of Roy Williams little clowns in this year's title game.

National Title Game Preview:

Kansas 87 UNC 78

Alex Staley 11 years, 5 months ago

I think another first round loss would absolutely be a disaster for the KU basketball program. Im talking about an absolute catastrophe (sp?) Three years in a row seems to me like it would be where big time recruits wouldnt want to play for us anymore and we would be dismissed as a has been. A second round loss would be an extreme disappointment. Sweet Sixteen would be sad yet acceptable. For me though, anything less than a final four for a team this talented is disappointing. I still believe that it should be us and UNC in the National Title game based on talent. How sweet would that be!? If only talent alone would win us games!

BigTamale 11 years, 5 months ago


Punxatawney Phil Told me the same thing!!!!

kufankam 11 years, 5 months ago

A SENIOR for a good A & M team took over the game and beat a bunch of very talented, well coached UNDERCLASSMAN!! No one ever seems to remember that these are YOUNG KIDS. Acie Law has played through several tough situations and was not rattled. Credit goes to him... he is a great player who has matured over the last 4 years.

Youth struggles from time to time... all of you who harbor bitterness toward Roy, yet seemed to want him back like a junior high sweethart obviously missed his UNDERCLASSMAN clad bunch lose to a subpar NC State team!!

34 of our last 40? Pretty nice run we went on with our "Incompent Coach". You people are rediculous!! Self is GREAT. The conference is still in reach and we might get another crack at A & M in the tourney. Sometimes it is better to win the second game as opposed to the glory of the instant gratification of the first (In 2003, Arizona comes back from down 20 to beat us in Allen but we bettered them later that year in the Elite 8).

I hope that all you haters go back to your XBOX 360's and stay the hell away from our hawks. In case you didnt know... in reality, you can't just restart the XBOX without saving and try again. Undefeated is rare, maybe even impossible this day in age and losses are going to happen, especially with a YOUNG team.

Lets get back on track Wednesday, Go Hawks!!!

janeyb 11 years, 5 months ago

Truthhurts. -- Had to research a bit, but KU lost to UTEP March 22, 1992 66-60. UTEP Coach Don Haskins spread the floor and ran a four corners the whole game and Williams had no answer for it. (Williams own admission).

Ostertag played well, but near end of the game Williams set up a play, and intended to pull Greg and run faster line-up. He forgot -- Greg blew the play--and the rest is history. Williams cried for days that he forgot to substitute in for Greg and his coaching cost them the game.

Seth Peattie 11 years, 5 months ago

I hope we beat KSU/MU by 20+ this week. A heartfelt "SUCK IT" in advance to both.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

I can't quote chapter/verse, but there are several examples of top teams that struggled in the tournament for a few years. Arizona, UConn, Syracuse (and of course Kansas) all had tough stretches as high seeds where they lost early. Now that they (sans Kansas) have won championships all of a sudden Lute Olson, Jim Calhoun, and Jim Boeheim have "cred." For the most part it's a crapshoot and things tend to even out over time. If you're good enough for long enough things tend to even out.

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

Wow janeyb - props to your research. I kinda remember the end of that game. Roy can blame himself, but once they had the lead and spread the floor we were lost. I do remember UTEP had some forward who played lights out.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago have a better memory than the Self haters. They are like Global Warming fanatics. You have to be selective with your memory to believe he sucks.

They like to forget that even a coach who has won a national championship can blow 20 points leads at home. Yeah it was to a very good team just like tonight.

Chris Kurtz 11 years, 5 months ago

Lute Olse lost in the first round twice as a 2 seed. He was known as the coach that chokes until he beat KU in the sweet 16 in 1997 and won it all. S*(% happens. KU's best teams never even made it to a Final 4. 1995-1998

Patrick Wilbur 11 years, 5 months ago

Just looked it up - his name was Marlon Maxey. OK - enough bad memories.

youngitized 11 years, 5 months ago

See what happens when you play not to lose instead of playing to win.

Theutus 11 years, 5 months ago

Yeah even the greatest coach can blow a 20 point lead at home... But who does it on a regular basis? Self.

It's embarrassing to keep losing to teams that shouldn't even be in the game with us..... And with as much talent as we have in our players, it then becomes the COACH's job to develop it... And to get the most out of them.

If we relied soley on 1 player (see TX A&M) then sure, we could say the player had a rough night and we lost.. But to have a team of players that are great like we have, and to still lose.... Thats a coaching problem.

I've always loved the hawks and I always will, but it's becoming much less enjoyable to watch KU basketball when you know at any time against any crap team we are going to fall apart again...

William James 11 years, 5 months ago

As hot as the Cats are right now I dont care if we win by one or twenty. I will be happy with a win. I bet when Texas fans woke up this morning a lot of them thought they would beat K-State by twenty. A little advice for Self. Stay away from the zone. The announcers couldnt keep up with how many treys the Cats were hitting.

olmsted78 11 years, 5 months ago

a&m chipped away, never went away, and eventually it paid off for them. that can happen.

must shake it off & learn from it; this team might be better off losing one like this, as early as it is yet. we still are lacking identity.

We are searching...

Self's still giving different people opportunities, trying to get a better sense of what this team is made of. And we aint going ANYWHERE until this stuff is figured out. We are a puzzle. This is what it's gonna take-- some tough losses, some awkward's not always pretty and perfect. A young , talented team is molding takes time, ups and downs. I think people have to lower their expectations here a bit, and just try and watch this process unfold how it may. Then, it'll all payoff for us.

...and now if you don't mind, i believe there is a football game being played this afternoon.

Niraj Shah 11 years, 5 months ago

We lost, and lost at home which is painful. Just a reminder to all of you who say we got beat by an experienced team, what is so different than last year when we beat them at their place. They were still the more experienced team.

This loss should be pinned on our players and coaches. Those 5 turnovers a lot of them were carelessness on our part. The aggies did not make Kaun miss the FT's. The aggies deserve credit for hanging around but if I recall last year's game they did the same thing and our young lads still won in a hostile arena.

Nothing can be done about the game, so lets us hope the guys are primed and ready for Thuggins's bunch otherwise wer are going to feel the same way Weds night.

BTW- For all of you wanting a tougher Big 12 that is fine. But if KSU and MOO are never good that is perfectly fine by me. I can't stand MOO and Thuggins should not have been allowed back into the game.

seattlehawk_78 11 years, 5 months ago

Just kidding couranna. But you have to admit, their are a lot of examples of schools who experienced success in one program only to see the other program decline. Just a thought.

kufankam 11 years, 5 months ago


How is 4 losses a regular basis?

There is a very similar thread in ALL (4) of our losses this year-the opponent had a senior leader, whether a premier player or not, on the floor for them.

ORU-Caleb Green (Player of the Year candidate for the Mid Con)

DePaul-Sammy Mejia (Player of the Year candidate for the Big East)

Tech-Jarius Jackson (Player of the Year candidate for the Big 12)

A&M-Acie Law IV (Player of the Year candidate for the Big 12)

Seniors who have been there and KNOW HOW TO WIN will beat a team occasionally. To all you who seem to think that we were invincible in Allen before self got here are demented. Roy lost in Allen too.


You bring up a very valid point... however, that is the problem. We do beat people handily and then lose the to them when it seems as though we shouldnt. Thus is the nature of a young team. That will happen. I am just enjoying the ride. They are a fun team to watch!!! Rockchalk!!

William James 11 years, 5 months ago

nergie- Last year KU won the Big 12 and the tournament and only got a 4 seed. Its because the Big 12 was a joke last year. Since then I have been cheering for K-State to get better but I still cant get myself to root for Mizzou. I was just reading a book about the old rivalry that KU and K-State had in basketball and how exciting those games were. When the old players go to KU/KSU games now they talk about how dull it is. No more exciting than a non-conference game. I would like to see at least some of that rivalry come back though. I think it would be fun.

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