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Wednesday, April 25, 2007

Self, Rush ready to chat about future

Draft analyst cites source who says KU sophomore has decided to enter his name in NBA Draft

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Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self plans on meeting with Brandon Rush this afternoon to discuss the player's future.

"Whatever he wants to talk about," Self said of the sophomore guard, who has until midnight Eastern time Sunday to decide whether to enter the NBA Draft.

"We can talk about where people (NBA officials) see him and he'll express himself," Self added.

Self said he did not necessarily expect any final word from Rush today regarding his draft status.

Yet a final decision from Rush is possible, especially in the wake of a report on draftexpress.com.

Citing a "source with knowledge of the situation," NBA Draft analyst Jonathan Givony reported on his Web site late Tuesday night Rush had decided to enter his name in the draft, yet not sign with an agent.

Draftexpress.com's Givony said Rush would withdraw his name from the draft by the June 18 deadline if he wasn't assured of being a top-20 first-round pick.

Currently, Rush is not regarded as a top-20 pick.

Givony indicated Rush would have a news conference Friday. It is unlikely an announcement would be delayed that long if Rush indeed today tells his coach his intentions are to enter the draft minus an agent.

Rush has told the media he would likely have something to report by Friday.

One source close to the situation indicated Rush wanted to meet with his brother, Kareem, on Friday before finalizing his plans and making known his intentions.

Coincidentally, NBAdraft.net moved Rush back into its 2007 draft on Tuesday after having had him in its 2008 draft for several weeks. NBAdraft.net predicts Rush will be taken as the fifth pick in the second round by Golden State. Draftexpress.com has Rush as the 21st overall pick in the first round by Philadelphia.

With each passing day, Rush's chances of being taken in the first round have appeared to take a hit with players entering their names in a deep draft.

On Tuesday, Texas A&M;'s Joseph Jones, VMI's Reggie Williams and Virginia's Sean Singletary declared for the draft but indicated they would not sign with agents.

As of Tuesday, 37 underclassmen had declared for the draft with just 30 first-round slots available.

¢Arthur update: Self, who earlier this week told the Journal-World that Darrell Arthur would definitely be returning for his sophomore season, on Tuesday again was willing to respond to rumors Arthur was pondering putting his name in the draft.

A Kansas City television station reported Arthur, like Rush, was considering heading to the pros but not hiring an agent.

"Nothing has changed," Self said. "He is not contemplating leaving. He will definitely be back."

Arthur told the media at the team's year-end basketball banquet he definitely would be back for year No. 2.

Comments

Andy Hess 14 years, 7 months ago

either way, this will be great for our program. If Rush leaves, thats another KU player (and Coach Self player) in the NBA, which is good for recruiting. If he stays, that makes us a better team. No true loss here.

hawkitup 14 years, 7 months ago

I think Rush is trying to buy more time, by declaring and not signing with an agent, in hopes that somebody in the top 20 will decide they want him. Right now, I just don't see that happening. In the end, I think he'll be back.

fansincewilt 14 years, 7 months ago

I believe Rush will end up back as a Jayhawk and have an outstanding year next year. I think we need to hold his scholarship.

kltbadboyz 14 years, 7 months ago

Seems like Rush will most likely enter the draft and not hire an agent. I bet when he realizes that hes not a top 20 pick he will end up back in lawrence for another year. would be interesting to see how the backcourt would be without Rush next year. Though the team would be fast, we would have three small guards meaning one of them will have to guard the 3 for the other team. Jones will probably end up back at texas am too, he could go undrafted.

filmhawk 14 years, 7 months ago

wow. i'm shocked and will be surprised if b-rush can get close to a top 20 pick. i guess there's no penalty for testing the waters. obviously, if he bolts, our team will be devestated. next year will be a dud. as for shady - i think he's got a higher upside than b-rush in the association. i can't imagine that he'll see his junior year either. this is depressing.

kc_wildfire 14 years, 7 months ago

This is all to be expected. Signing top notch talent means seeing that top notch talent leave after one or two years. Unfortunately that is what the college game has turned into.

justanotherfan 14 years, 7 months ago

The three guys that declared for the draft yesterday (Jones, Singletary and Williams) are no better than Rush. I see all of them returning to school, as well as several of the other guys that declared (Josh McRoberts among that group). The draft is so deep this year just with collegiate talent, not to mention the foreign influx, that a lot of players that would have been top 10 and top 15 picks last year(in a much shallower draft class) won't hear their names called for a while. This could mean that the next two (or even three) NBA drafts could be very deep. This class is deeper than the 2003 draft (James, Milicic, Anthony, Bosh, Wade top 5), with a potential top 5 of Oden, Durant, Brewer, Horford, Brandan Wright, plus JuJu, Jeff Green, Acie Law, Roy Hibbert, Mike Conley, Arron Afflalo, Spencer Hawes, Adam Graves. That's a lottery of all college underclassmen (except for Law) who will all probably be solid career pros. My point is that this draft is so deep, few shaky players will go early. The guys with iffy basketball skills (Graves, Hawes, Hibbert) are all over 7 feet. How rare is that. 4 seven footers in one draft.

Drew Alan 14 years, 7 months ago

McRoberts won't be returning to school. When he announced he was putting his name in the hat, he also announced that he had signed an agent... good move? No. He was not a premier post player, even in his own conference.

To prevent all this "stay or go" nonsense and uncertainty every year, NCAA basketball should go the route of NCAA baseball. The NBA should abolish it's age limit, and let high school guys who are good enough declare for the draft. Then the guys who do go to college stay there for at least 3 seasons before they are eligible to declare for the draft... Is another year or two of playing team basketball in a college atmosphere going to have a negative effect for some of these underclassmen? Probably not. Athletes get better by playing their sport, and who knows, maybe they'll have some fun being the big man on campus instead of the rookie on the bench!

ptub23 14 years, 7 months ago

fansincewilt, you think we should keep his scholarship? Brilliant, who else would we give it to...I don't want Legion, but there is no one coming here with the scholarship situation the way it is...there will be no Brandon or Arthur signed late this year

frompekka2sasha 14 years, 7 months ago

This is great news IMO. Rush is definitely not a Top 20 candidate but he is making a great decision to test the waters. If he averages 20 pts a year in '07-08 he could move up to lotto status.

Joe Ross 14 years, 7 months ago

I think when the smoke clears Rush will be in a Jayhawk uniform next season

JayCeph 14 years, 7 months ago

I think that Brandon probably will most definitely make a decision to go or stay... maybe.

Any news as to if Julian has hired an agent yet?

poshizzle 14 years, 7 months ago

37 underclassmen and only 30 first round spots? Add the foreign players to the mix, and some seniors, and there's no way Rush goes in the first round. Why leave, if you're not guaranteed a big contract with big money?

ku98 14 years, 7 months ago

Nothing wrong with testing the waters, but unless he has spectacular workouts, he will not be a Top 20 pick. He will be a Jayhawk next year!

Joe Ross 14 years, 7 months ago

Rush wants to solidify his place as a "Top 20" pick because the potential is that on draft day, any player ranked outside of the top 20 could really slip to the second round, where there's no guaranteed contract as you know. This would be an absolute disaster for Rush. His best bet is to return for a year, step up his game to become that "go-to" guy and improve his stock for the '08 draft. I fully expected that he'd test the waters at the end of this season though, and so I don't think this story has any new surprises in it. I think Rush will declare but return.

JayhawkPhil 14 years, 7 months ago

I need a refresher on the rules for applying for the draft but not signing with an agent. I thought it just allowed you to go to workouts and audition but that you still had to make up your mind before draft day. I am probably wrong but does anyone know?

justanotherfan 14 years, 7 months ago

Basically, declaring for the draft means that you can work out, meet with teams, etc. If you don't have an agent you can return to college. The problem is, if you don't have an agent you have to pay for all of your travel to workouts (teams can't pay or you lose your eligibility). This makes it pretty difficult for an underclassman to leave.

Joe Ross 14 years, 7 months ago

justanotherfan is absolutely right. In the case of a Brandon Rush, though, there is enough money in the family to assume those expenses and so he is not hurt by testing the waters absent representation by an agent. With this in mind, you can probably understand why Julian's decision was a lot more complicated. If an unrepresented college athlete pulls out of the draft, he must do it one week prior to draft day. By doing so, he will retain his NCAA eligibility.

truefan 14 years, 7 months ago

I think Rush is every bit as good as the other players that are projected in the top twenty I just don't think that he has gotten the hype around him like they have. He is good enough right now, but if he stays and creates that hype then there is nothing stopping him from being a lotto pick.

milehighhawker 14 years, 7 months ago

JayhawkPhil, you are correct, I was going to comment on the previous assumption that Rush could see where he was drafted. He would have to take himself out of the draft before it happened in order to come back to KU. The other thing about guys entering their name without an agent is it should scare that person. All that they are hearing is from teams that are trying to fool each other with who they are going to pick, they don't want to show their cards, and friends will tell him what he wants to hear. An agent who is working for his best interests, because lets be honest, if he does he will make more money himself, is the only one that can give an accurate depiction of where he would go. He will be back, too much talent ahead of him, and his age is working against him, teams don't want to invest money into someone his age, especially if he goes to a good team in the later rounds. They want more raw talent, like Julian.

JayCeph 14 years, 7 months ago

Has Julian hired anyone yet? If so, what agency are they with?

hawkitup 14 years, 7 months ago

Yes, Julian Wright hired an agent but I'm not sure with which one.

kcmostwanted 14 years, 7 months ago

It's good for him to enter this year...Yes there is plenty of talent but the most important part of this is that he can still pull his name. It never hurts to be at the pre-draft camps just to get the GM, and staff's opinions. They can give him some pointers and hopefully that'll motivate him to work on those certain areas for next years draft...I agree with you guys when you say that he is as good as anyone in the top 20..I think for him he has confidence issues..

When he plays, he tends to be too afraid that Coach Self is going to yell at him or he's afraid he might not be as quick as the person gaurding him..(he can dominate slower defenders but dissapears against faster guys) i don't know.. seems to have everything you would want in NBA player..Has the size, length, athleticism, good IQ (shot selection, and a team player..etc)..

Here's what I propose to him and if you guys can pass this along to him i think it would help him tremedously... Go to one of those NFL (yeah not NBA..i said NFL) combine trainers so he can work on his footwork, speed, agility, vertical... I mean it would just be sick if he was just physically dominant.. Get stronger, faster, quicker off his feet..i think this will improve all aspects of his game..Then spend lots of time over the summer and fall working on his handles and slashing skills....maybe Sherron can help him on this :-)

Here's what i propose to Bill self: When the jayhawks are beating a team by 30... leave rush in there and put in 4 other reserves.. let them make him the go to guy..let him distribute, drive, shoot/create his own shot, and train him how to dominate... I think this will vastly improve his confidence...

My 4 cents :)

Joe Ross 14 years, 7 months ago

Everyone realizes he might not be. You are simply hearing expressions of hope that he returns, which is not out-of-line with adoring fans. I simply hope he does not endure a backlash if he decides to go.

For all of you who are going to say negative stuff about B-Rush if he turns pro, please go on the record and say it now. That way, we KNOW what your opinion of him is before his decision.

emeryhawk 14 years, 7 months ago

I think if Rush needs to improve on anything it's his left hand and his midrange/driving game. His athleticism is pretty top notch. I mean, maybe he can get faster, but he's not slow by any means, and I haven't heard athleticism come up as a concern from pro scouts. I think if Rush goes late first round, whether this year or next, he has the potential to be a real sleeper. His talent and potential have been undervalued, in my estimation.

rockchalkjayhawk4ku11 14 years, 7 months ago

I HATE to say this but i don't think rush will be back. Sorry

kc_wildfire 14 years, 7 months ago

I've got a good feeling he will be back.

Most mock draft boards I have checked out have him going no higher than 20 and a lot have him going in the mid to late 20s. There are a few underclassmen who just declared (the Georgia Tech duo) that probably push him down a few more spots.

frompekka2sasha 14 years, 7 months ago

hawkitup- When did Julian hire an agent? He intends to do so but I haven't heard any reports of him actually hiring one.

Robin Smith 14 years, 7 months ago

yeah hawkitup provide the link, because I can't find anything which announces he has hired an agent yet other than that on espn.com they don't have an asterisk by his name on the list of who's in and who's out (the asterisk indicating a player who has not signed)

kcmostwanted 14 years, 7 months ago

here's the list to all those who have declared and signed w/ an agent.. i haven't heard of Julian signing w/ an agent either...

  • Take a look at Reggie Williams.. 6' 5'' and 295 lbs... i thought that was kinda funny but it was a misprint (I figured Jason Dunn decided to play college ball..j/k)

http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/10110641

filmhawk 14 years, 7 months ago

i declared for the draft in '93 and nobody drafted me. they told me i was too slow, had no nose for the rack, and that there wasn't a demand in the nba for guys who hadn't played organized basketball since junior high. sucked.

Chris McIlvain 14 years, 7 months ago

Hey JRoss...thanks for stating the VERY OBVIOUS in your first post...whew!

Joe Ross 14 years, 7 months ago

APD. I'm actually glad you're reading my posts. 1.) It proves you've managed literacy, and 2.) you are bound to learn something.

Keep up the good work!

Chris McIlvain 14 years, 7 months ago

And what I've learned is you are a master of stating the obvious, but TRYING to do it in a way that makes you appear intelligent. Your mundane posts may impress the likes of Notabandwagon or Jaybate but not the educated...

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