Wednesday, November 15, 2006

Extra Minutes: Oral Roberts 78, Kansas 71


What this means...from press row

Gary Bedore, Journal-World KU men's basketball beat writer

"What can you say when you lose to Oral Roberts by seven points? At home, nonetheless.

I guess if you are a KU fan you scream. Horrors.

Bad free throwing, bad defense against the three, sloppy ballhandling - especially in the first half. Did I say bad free throwing?

No positives tonight, folks.

The only thing the team can do is show some heart and regroup and forget about all the hype and accolades and come out and play some ball.

Guess the S.I. jinx lives after all."

Tom Keegan, Journal-World sports editor

"You wear a giant target on your back and you better be at your best when facing a good team with a great player.

Kansas was far from its best and Oral Roberts' fancy-passing big man, Caleb Green, made the Jayhawks pay. Green had told his coach, Scott Sutton, he really wanted to play at Allen Fieldhouse. Sutton called his buddy Bill Self and made it happen. Then he made the very most of it and beat a team that couldn't make its foul shots and its layups.

Green made his teammates so much better that they were better than Sports Illustrated's choice as the best team in the nation."

Ryan Greene, editor

"One thing that stood out tonight was the freshmen.'

Darrell Arthur tied for a game-high with 22 points, but never really had an offensive rhythm. All of it was scrappy putbacks and open layins. He really only truly created his offense a couple of times.

As for Sherron Collins, he didn't score. After hitting double figures against Northern Arizona, he was absent. He drew a big first-half charge which could have gone either way, sat the rest of the half and never found any kind of life after that on the floor.

This loss in the grand scheme doesn't mean a ton. It could be another situation where it's a laughable experience come March. But one thing is for sure - the freshmen still have a ways to go."

Inside the numbers

0: That's how many points Sherron Collins scored, following up a double-digit regular season debut less than a week ago. He was only 0-for-1 from the field, but that can be attributed to sitting much of the first half in foul trouble. He never found a rhythm of any kind.

1: That's how many three-pointers ORU's Marchello Vealy had hit in his 13 career attempts behind the arc before Wednesday. He hit his first seven attempts in the Fieldhouse, and finished 7-of-8.

42: That's how many of KU's 71 points came in the paint. That wouldn't be a bad number, but Self could only recount five shots outside of three feet that KU made the entire game. The surplus of points in the paint mostly came on second and third chances off of missed shots and layups.

10: That's how many free throws KU missed. Only one fewer than how many they made in an 11-for-21 performance from the stripe.

Just in case you missed it...

Bill Self was quick to point out in the post game press session that neither Brandon Rush nor Julian Wright ever got 'in the game.'

It took Rush seemingly to forever to crack the scoring column, and that was mostly because of how stand-offish he was on that end of the floor for much of the first half. It wasn't until Green began running his mouth a bit that Rush woke up.

Wright, typically the guy who does a bit of everything, didn't do much of anything. His 12 rebounds came mostly off of missed layups, and he scored just six points on a 3-for-10 performance from the floor. He also had six turnovers, and standing out the furthest was an attempt to go through his legs with his dribble in traffic in the second half, a move which backfired and earned ORU easy points.

Hopefully you didn't miss it...

Even though he was a visiting player who drew the ire of the home crowd, Caleb Green was a joy to watch play. He constantly had a smile on his face, and both his verbal and body language sent the message that he was soaking up the experience for all it was worth.

He made it worth quite a bit with 20 points, 11 rebounds and eight assists. What was most impressive about his game aside from his confidence was the ability to pass out of the post-up position. Few big men at any level have that type of ability. He showed he's one of the lucky few.

Yep, they really said it...

Russell Robinson on Marchello Vealy's performance from three-point range: "If you told us before the game he would go 7-for-8, we probably would have laughed, and he did."

Russell Robinson on the team's inconsistent intensity and focus: "I think we got to the point where we thought we could turn it on and off, and that definitely wasn't the case today."

Brandon Rush on the Sports Illustrated jinx: "Yeah, I think I believe in the jinx now. As soon as the cover comes out, we lose. That's one of those things I don't believe until it happens (to me)."

Bill Self on his team's inconsistent intensity and focus: "We've been bad since before the Northern Arizona game game. But then the switch came on that day. When the swtich comes on, everything looks good."

Bill Self on accolades such as the Sports Illustrated cover: "We didn't deserve that. What'd we do to deserve that?...SI didn't have anything to do with us losing tonight. ORU had a lot to do with us losing tonight."

Bill Self on ORU's Caleb Green, who nearly had a triple-double: "Caleb Green was the best player in the game. Any NBA scout would tell you Caleb Green was the best player in the game."


cobweb 13 years, 2 months ago

I'll take Caleb Green over Rush any day.

yates666 13 years, 2 months ago

Not again Lord.......................

What are they drinking at KU?

Mike Gammill 13 years, 2 months ago

It's time for Self to have a visit with the AD. Two one and outs in the NCAA's and then a loss like this at home. Both instances are inexcusable for a team and program of this caliber.

I'd tell him so, if it were me in the AD's chair.

National championship teams don't do things like this. It just tells me that the Jayhawks are/have been way, way overranked.

William James 13 years, 2 months ago

Dont worry. In 5 months nobody is going to remember this game. In fact by Saturday night nobody will remember this game after we clown KSU.

vmyers 13 years, 2 months ago

Part of me wants to agree with that. North Carolina lost their first game of the year two years ago to Santa Clara or somebody goofy like that and went on to win the national championship. This game won't keep us from beating Florida, or from winning the Big 12, or from winning (a game in) the NCAA Tournament.

But the other part of me is depressed that we can't even beat Oral Roberts at home, that Julian Wright and Brandon Rush aren't that much more mature as players than they were last year, that our defense really isn't any good, and that we lost to ORAL ROBERTS (same conference as UMKC) at HOME.

bboland1 13 years, 2 months ago

I am not as dissapointed with the loss as the way that we lost. Not rotating on defense, not getting in the shirt of a player who could not miss from 3 point range. A complete lack of execution on the offensive end. Even when KU pulled within 3 it was on a weak fade away by Arthur and then another fading put back on an ill advised Robinson drive. Down the stretch there were incredibly few passes followed by a drive to the bucket. No passing, no motion, no creating without the ball. 5 individuals instead of 1 team.

That said ORU is not a bad team, they made the tourney last year and were in the hunt for an upset up to the last few minutes.

It is early, KU will re-group and get it together and come March, I will be ready to put down ORU as a bracket buster.

Christopher Johnson 13 years, 2 months ago

"National Championship teams don't do things like this"

That's why North Carolina did it early the season they won it all? Uh huh? Right . . .

Don't be like every other stupid person out there and throw the hat in already. Try rooting for the wildcats, I'm sure in some of your pessimistic views, somewhere you're probably also kidding yourself that KU sucks so bad that K-State looks better this year. Get a life.

Mike Gammill 13 years, 2 months ago

I'm not suggesting that the hat needs to be thrown in. But Self needs to understand full well what we expect from him, and what this program expects from him.

KU coaches have been coddled way too long and for way too many years.

True, we are the third winningest program in the history of college basketball. But, how many national championship banners do we have hanging on the wall versus those of say, Kentucky, NC, UCLA, and others who's programs are not as storied as those of KU?

think about it before you tell others to get a life.

justinryman 13 years, 2 months ago

Bill Self did this at Illinois too, bring in great talent and under achieve. He is a great recruitor and a great person. But even if you have all the talent in the world on the court, if they can't play together then it dosent matter. Just ask Kirk about USA basketball.
They have 7 scorers on this team, they don't have anybody to do the little things, no floor burn types, or high assist guys, its score first then show off then look good. Bill needs to fix it before Lou fixes him, this is year 4 its all on Coach now.

JayCeph 13 years, 2 months ago

No excuses...

This shouldn't happen.

It did.

ORU... jeez! I want to respect them but I can't. I can only drop my eyes in shame at how poorly the 'good guys' played.

Oral Roberts. Give me a break! (UTEP, Ball State, Richmond... make it stop!)

DerekR25 13 years, 2 months ago

I agree about how agonizing it is to watch such a great team struggle the way they did. It made me sick at my stomach to know that there was really nothing we could do to stop the bleeding last night. Sure, we pulled back withing 3, but how we were going last night, 3 points is more like 10. But, that being said, how can those of you who posted similar comments about Coach Self say that it's all on his shoulders and that he's the one who caused us to lose (in a round about way)? Can you actually have the coach on the floor each time holding their hand while they shoot free throws, or while they're trying to set up offense? Can he actually jump in into their bodies and some how miraculously cause them to start making their field goals and making better decisions on both ends? I highly doubt it. I mean, after all, who was the coach who kicked the guys out of a friday practice 40min. early and made them do an entire Sat. a.m. practice on gameday? I just don't get it. I guess what I see is a coach pushing and prodding and doing everything he can to motivate his players, but when you're having a night like last night, there's not a whole lot you can do to stop the floodgates. Especially when one of your best passers/ball handlers has 6 turnovers of his own. How would've you guys coached the team last night? And then ask yourself, "Don't you think coach might have said something like that in the huddles or at half?" I mean, that was just a bad night all around. The best thing the boys can do is get the perverbial "wake-up call" from this and realize they are going to have to scrap for and earn all of their accomplishments and awards. They don't just get them from the name across the front of thier jersey or from turning down the pros for one more year. I'm not trying to rip on the players at all, I'm just trying to show that you can't always put the blame solely on the coaches.

JayCeph 13 years, 2 months ago

Well, there is certainly plenty of blame to go around but that really isn't going to get us anywhere is it?

Wak-up call or no, this team should (needs to) learn from this but put it behind them and move forward. They should identify the areas that they came up short and take measures to correct them.

Great teams do this. Will our KU squad be great? Time will tell.

No more back-biting and finger pointing... it only makes the whole ORU debacle sting that much more.

Mature and move on. (this better not happen again...)

DerekR25 13 years, 2 months ago

Exactly JayCeph! Great way of putting it. The more we try "passing the blame" the more nothing gets done about it. I'm sure Coach will be making corrections for the next few days or so in the form of long, hard, and extensive practices. One thing I did definitely notice is that it just seems like we still don't have strong enough conditioning. It seems like everyone is still laboring quite a bit to play defense and push the ball. I definitely hope we are the type of team that can and will make all the nessessary corrections, I mean after all I do think we have a great team. Now they just need to go out and prove it.

justinryman 13 years, 2 months ago

Free-throws, turn overs and getting into the Offense...those are all on the coach, those are the things you need to practice, along with deffense and how to play as a team. Like I posted earlier you can put all the talent on one team it dosent mean anything if you can't coach them to play together. There is no glue like a Christian Moody or a Jared Hasse to do the little things and take a back seat, its a tema of headliners, and if coach Self loses control of them early in the season, its going to be a long one.

CasperCorps 13 years, 2 months ago

Self is a good coach and will have this team rolling by Big Twelve time... The only thing wrong with this team is they are young and are looking to the wrong person for their "go to guy" ..... oh and they do seem out of shape...

mr_lawrence 13 years, 2 months ago

This is not the end of the world. In fact, it's probably the beginning of a much better, much hungrier team.

For those of you who fly off the handle every time KU doesn't win the National Championship, maybe you should find another way to measure yourself, your happiness. I don't know - maybe volunteer or read or exercise instead of just posting all day on a KU sports website and fighting with other Jayhawk fans. Not that I mind a little debate, but seriously... we are talking about one loss here. Did you think KU was going to go 40-0, downing Carolina in the title game by 10,000 points and then burning Roy in effigy? Wake up! Go do something productive with your lives. Stop debasing 18-20 year old kids because they can't win every single game for you. GET SOME PERSPECTIVE. BE REASONABLE.

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