Kansas at Oklahoma State | Post game discussion

bwag 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Time to dig in and work on installing our half court offense. We might need it from here on out.

Claire Williams 2 months, 4 weeks ago

The Bill Self Shuffle: http://bit.ly/Uptg2B

LittleRockJayhawker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

OSU played “All I Do Is Win” with 3:48 left in regulation, again with 28.7 seconds left in regulation, and again with 1:54 left in 2OT. Just to be clear OSU, winning is not all you do. Rock Chalk!

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Thank you, TRel!!!

KU62 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Someone tweeted, "Thank god I changed shirts!"

My reaction: :Thank god I didn't.

sarcastichawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I played Ruzzle the entire game to ensure the win

ahpersecoachingexperience 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That...just happend

VailHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Did we really win?

globaljaybird 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Glad Nadir was able to redeme himself cause he played like krap most of the game.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yep...2-11 FG, 0-6 3PT...ugh!

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That's overstating the case a bit. His two alley-oops to Withey were among the biggest plays of the first half.

johninkc1 2 months, 4 weeks ago

FINALLY, WE GET SOME GOOD FORTUNE! ROCK CHALK! I think the refs need to attend class.

KUOverEverything 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I think games like this teach teams alot about each other. Im starting to sense a new attitude and confidence with this team .

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

1-11 from 3-point range...how in the hell did we win???

jessejayhawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

cause we scored one more point than OSU. Works every time

phins13td 2 months, 4 weeks ago

And one clutch shot from Tharpe.

marchphog88 2 months, 4 weeks ago

70% of the time it works everytime. They've done studies.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

You could ask the same question about our wins vs. Purdue and NC State in last year's tourney.

thekuinthe512 2 months, 4 weeks ago

K-State, sorry you all watched this for 3 hours and now know, another Big XII's championship for KU! Such composure and confidence. Well Done!

phins13td 2 months, 4 weeks ago

EJ is playing on flat tires. He wasn't even close on those FT's when it mattered. Withey and Releford were huge tonight.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

He did play markedly better...5-9 FGs...a number of clutch driving layups.

phins13td 2 months, 4 weeks ago

All be it playing against a guy on one leg, so he gets half credit. Not the EJ of last season, not even close.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

True.

mouseclicker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

The EJ of last season was a shooting guard who had one of KU's best playmakers in years helping him out...

phins13td 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Taylor was no Aaron Miles or Jacque Vaughn but he was pretty decent.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Depends on your criteria. Tyshawn took a lot longer to find his groove than Miles or Vaughn and was not a "pure" PG as they were, but on the other hand, neither of those guys was the unquestioned leader of a Final Four team.

niemoth 2 months, 4 weeks ago

those free throws were the farthest shot he attempted all night. He still doesn't have confidence with his jump shot, hopefully he finds that against TCU where we won't be so scared to take a 3. Seemed like no one wanted to be the one to miss a 3

ralster 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Which shows that BMac and Tharpe have the rocks to pull the trigger. Releford attempted 1 also.

MimiHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Did you see Travis' last play... That was Travis walkin' off the court in STYLE !!!

STOOPS 2 months, 4 weeks ago

well said

kcmojayhawker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

No doubt the officiating was questionable, seemed like OSU got some breaks until the very end. This is just a thin KU team, 60 points from the starters and 8 from the bench.Ellis may need to red-shirt next year, especially if Randle comes here. The seniors won this one!

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Traylor was very good, though.

MimiHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

KY's shiver on Smart... what an awesome play

JayDogger 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I know he's not coming back but McLemore sure does have room for improvement. Great shooter, great on fast breaks, but clearly his weakness is creating shots for himself.

WindmillGIANT 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Smart had a bad shooting night too; he was only 2-14, the difference is though he was 11-14 from the FT line and BMAC was 0-0. BMac's potential is looking like a Ray Allen type spot shooter; but with his athleticism, he could be a more attacking 2-guard if he developed his ball-handling skills.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Bardo said the same thing. Also, passed up some shots...can be too unselfish.

ZIG 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Absolutely spot on JD

The best player on our team repeatedly passed up opps to take over but has no "take em" game.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

In fairness, Ben got fouled on drives into the lane at least twice early in the game with no call. If he had been able to get to the line a couple of times, he would have had another double-digit game, and maybe the boost in confidence would have helped him have a better second half than he did.

CaliHawk33 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Oh? Ya mean got the exact same calls on those hacks that Smart got?...(while he attempted 14 free throws)?????

mouseclicker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

How many shots outside of the paint did we make? One? Just the three from Ben?

JayDogger 2 months, 4 weeks ago

EJ sure does look better when he isn't jacking up missed threes. If only Tharpe could learn that lesson. Point guards need more assists and fewer shots. 5 assists in 50 minutes of game time???

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Only 3 assists versus 6 TOs at the point...pitiful ratio!

bwag 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I don't disagree at all really. Part of the problem is that Ben and Travis aren't moving well without the ball (especially Ben) or are reluctant and passing up shots.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Noticed that too...I kept screaming at the TV for them to move.

niemoth 2 months, 4 weeks ago

no kidding how many times did we look at someone else to go get a rebound

DCLawHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Good point about the prophet looking better when he is not jacking up too many threes. It was like a role reversal with Tharpe tonight.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Actually I think EJ's shot selection has been better than Tharpe's all year. EJ's 3-point attempts have usually been good, open shots in the flow of the offense. He just hasn't been able to get them to go down. Tharpe's the one who has had a tendency to jack up early-clock jumpers without running any offense; he did it once or twice at key moments tonight, and not for the first time.

Having said that, kudos to Tharpe for hitting some big shots in crunch time as well.

johninkc1 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Tough night shooting but it's a W! Enough said. Karma for the back-flip.

GortHawker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Wow, now thats what I'm talkin about, way to go hawks, Gorts happy!

texashawk10 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I got three words for this one: I'll take it!

pleiker 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Jeff Withey gets every call. It is absurd. That is why we won. He should have won it in regulation with an easy layup.

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

He just flails when he gets bumped, so it looks more legit.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That's nonsense. Some of the calls made against Withey were bogus, and Marcus Smart got a lot of phantom calls in his favor. Withey got fouled a lot, and he deserved to go to the line -- and he deserves all the credit in the world for making the big free throws.

crazyed 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That was just the type of win we needed!

TexasRockChalk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Turning point of the game: KY's HUGE "shiver" on that flippin' punk from OSU! ;)

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

...and TRel taking Smart's 5th foul.

jessejayhawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Smart almost did a back-flip, courtesy of Mr. Young. KY at 180 lbs knocking the 225 lb Smart on his ass was priceless

ralster 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Yep. KYo recent graduate of the Bill Self School of Toughness. Exact illustration of how toughness can make the 40lbs that Smart has over KYo not even matter. "Flipped Smart" to the deck! Loved it! Of course, ChokieState fans will yell that Self plays dirty. Look, we arent afraid to get down to the nitty gritty. I wonder if Travis Ford is feeling a bit "sawed off"? Perhaps just a "little"?

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Well, Self didn't seem too happy with that takedown. I'd prefer not to have our guys picking up unnecessary fouls early in a game so they can stay on the floor when it counts. And if they'd called it a flagrant (I don't think they should have, but it wouldn't have surprised me if they had), that could have really swung the momentum of the game against us.

TexasRockChalk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I think deep down Self loved it! I think he wanted to give the impression he didn't like it whilst on TV, but in the locker room he probably hi-fived KY! :) Just my take....

hawkmoon2020 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I posted on an earlier topic about our lack of 8-15 ft shots. 90% of our scoring seems to be in the paint, or outside the arc. No short pull-up jumpers, or 10-12 footers. KY should practice those 100/day. Indeed a great/ugly win, but again, turn overs and lack of consistent shooting does us in. I'm still waiting to see us really play "TO WIN," and "not to lose."

jayhawkinATL 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Agreed...KY is wide open at elbow all the time!

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

We just beat one of the hottest teams in the country on their home floor. I think we absolutely played TO WIN, and -- newsflash -- WE WON.

There's nothing wrong with scoring only in the paint and from beyond the arc -- in fact, the stats gurus will tell you that's the most efficient approach. Sure, I wish we had shot better from outside, but that's the way it goes in a place like Gallagher-Iba. You can't depend on the jumpers to fall -- you have to be 5-8 points tougher to win.

VailHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Over/under on margin of victory sat TCU?

d_bradley27 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Poor shooting game but we somehow kept our wits, competed, and won on the road. This will pay dividends in March. I'm not one to blame refs but good god they were terrible tonight. I actually thought it was 8 on 3 at several points. I'd love for HCBS to get a technical to send a message. I'm sick of how games are called against us.

Anyway, I'm worn out. Great game. Rock Chalk!!

jessejayhawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Amazing stat: KU=21 fouls, OSU=22 fouls. Refs let the game really get out of control

d_bradley27 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Timing of the calls makes all the difference especially if in the bonus. Pretty amazing. Nice try though.

Chris1955 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I haven't watched the game yet. However, I did read the box score. I see that Higgins was one of the referees. I'm amazed we won with him calling the game.

We may have to settle for just winning a 9th consectutive Big 12 championship. I'm good with that.

RockChalkCaliHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I can't do that. If I am unable to watch the game live, I stay away from all friends and media outlets. I HAVE to be the first person to see who won. No Facebook, Twitter, KUSports.com, and I turn my cell phone on silent.

jcbaseball30 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Still worked up from the game!

CaliHawk33 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That's why I call him Naad's of steel. Remember "No Fear"? That brand that corny 8th graders wore in 94' (one of my first 1st grade memories). Well I think Nads shd bring it back. He don't give a .... He just does his own thing, and knows his one bad play is about to even out. I wonder what would have happened w ej tonite... And despite his great game id be scared... We need randle to dominate again next year.

Cansas 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Hey, I was in 8th grade in '94. Even had a shirt.. I'm sure there have been dumber shirts people have worn since then. :)

CaliHawk33 2 months, 4 weeks ago

It's ok, a lot of the bad kids wore those shirts, so I respect it...I think Naadir has that mentality (at least plays like does) and we need someone to take over like that.

DCLawHawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Nominees for worst call of the game? I nominate the failure to call goaltending on EJ's shot at the end of regulation.

daneiorg85 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Agree. Not sure how they didn't see that, an easier call than block/charge, etc.

DanR 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That one or the two missed goal tending calls prior... or EJ's fifth foul, or WIthey's 4th (on the clean block)... or any of the shoulder bump no-calls on Smart. And, if you have to check the replay tape 25 times per game to get the clock right, you shouldn't be a ref.

jessejayhawk 2 months, 4 weeks ago

You got my vote. Definitely goal tending, but refs would have been run out of tow if they had called it. Self preservation might have influence the non call

JayHawkFanToo 2 months, 4 weeks ago

That was a blatantly bad call but the charge call on Tharpe that took two points of the board and a potential 3rd point was worse. At best that was a no call and more likely a blocking foul, but definitely not a charge.l

marchphog88 2 months, 4 weeks ago

KU won the game in regulation, 61-57. There were three absolutely terrible missed goaltending calls. On the first, there was also a foul in which Withey made both free throws, so at most we lost a point from a potential "and one" situation.

The second was probably a missed shot, but the OSU defender put his hand on the rim while the ball was still above the cylinder, which is an automatic call. The last one was obviously the one you mentioned, which I agree was the most egregious, because not only was it the right call, but the shot looked like it was going in.

Of course, there are plenty of bad ones to choose from. In the first overtime, there was Markel Brown's four free throw possession, where he drew a foul on McLemore by kicking his leg out (which is actually a full-on offensive foul in the NBA, for comparison). Then after basketball karma intervenes and Brown misses both free throws, he gets to go back to the line on the garbage call that fouled EJ out of the game.

All that being said, there were some pretty bad ones against OSU as well. The officials were just bad in general, but some of their worst calls happened to go against KU.

CalBBaller 2 months, 4 weeks ago

But where was BMac? He played a good decoy, but for KU to be successful in the tournament, he has to be the star. Unfortunately he is not built that way. He defers too much to other lesser talented players. Without BMAC being a star, KU will not get past the second round in the tournament. Sorry, role players don't win championships.

daneiorg85 2 months, 4 weeks ago

This is the problem - we call someone a star and then set impossible standards. Isn't it more impossible to expect him to have a great game every single game. Anyway, Chalmers wasn't a star. He fared okay.

konkeyDong 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Perfectly stated daneiorg85. It's not like BMac hasn't already got our bacon out of the grease fire a few times this season. He's allowed a couple of off nights. Everyone else owes it to him to step up when those nights come.

ralster 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Opponents are also scouting and gameplanning BMac, just like conf. opponents did to "No Left" Brandon Rush.

riverdrifter 2 months, 4 weeks ago

"Without BMAC being a star, KU will not get past the second round in the tournament. Sorry, role players don't win championships" Therein hangs the tale and well stated. Stars wing their way to championships and take their teammates with them. 7 points and a stand-around performance from McLemore doesn't cut it. Not for this team.

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Well, we just beat a team that's on track for a 4-5 seed, on their home floor, despite BMac's struggles. So I'd say that bodes well for our ability to get out of the 2nd round. And certainly Withey has become much more than just a "role player."

ralster 2 months, 4 weeks ago

E-l-i-j-a-h J-o-h-n-s-o-n with the ankle breaker killer crossover on Marcus Smart. Wow! Earlier he served up a "facial" type of dunk, although a whistle was blown prior, so it didnt count. ChokieState crowd hated that. Good confidence game for EJ. Frogs for dinner on Saturday...

marchphog88 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Totally agree on EJ's ankle-breaker. That's why it was all the more worse that the refs wiped it out by not making the goaltending call on his shot.

CaliHawk33 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Btw that still set a statement, marchphog. I am truly convinced. He showed dominance on that play... And ok st. is used to Playing the submissive role...particularly when Ay...! (I.E...when OU is in town...). It brings to memory when self talked after the TCU loss about teams not being afraid...As far as I'm concerned I saw EJ be an "enforcer type" like every hockey team needs. EJ had a good game, but even moreso I saw him stick up for what Kansas itself stood for on that play. I admit, I was on ejs (ljw expletive), but what he did there made up for it all (particularly if we win conference). Despite Naad's play (and he still has Naads of steel) EJ proved himself as a leader, and carried on the very meaningful Jayhawk legend of dominance with a play that didn't even count on the scoreboard.

ralster 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Beautifully said, callihawk. Agree 100%

lucky777 2 months, 4 weeks ago

I just want congratulate Naadir on his toughness in double overtime. If my calculations are right, I believe a small box of popcorn runs for about $3.75 a box. Are so called 1st round top 5 NBA Draft pick, Ben McLamore and 5 year Senior Travis Releford left Naadir hanging out in Gallagher Iba Arena all by himself last night in double overtime. Those 2 would have been better off setting up in the stands eating that $3.75 box of popcorn. We would of had better luck with that then those 2 star athletes out on the floor. They did not stand up to the challenege at all. They were scared to death they kept giving the ball right back to Naadir because they didn't want to end up being the goat. The broadcasters need to shut there trap about how good Ben McLamore is. If he was anykind of a first round draft choice he would have tried to take over that game in overtime. He and Releford ran like 2 wooped puppies!!!! Great job NAADIR I don't care what people say about your game. Way to step up and get some balls to take that last shot!!

hawk_of_ages 2 months, 4 weeks ago

Uh, Releford had a great game.

colreader 2 months, 4 weeks ago

New NCAA category-----both teams play so bad, they BOTH get an "L". Whithey leaps up an incredible 10 inches under the basket, then streaks down the court at 3 or 3.5 miles per hour. During in-bounds plays, everybody stands around waiting for someone else to MOVE and receive the ball. There's not going to be a conference championship, a Big12 tourney championship, or a NCAA tourney victory. Bad lazy basketball comes home to roost!

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