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Virginia Commonwealth defeats Kansas, 71-61

  • 1:20 p.m., March 27, 2011
  • Alamodome, San Antonio, TX

FINAL: VCU stuns Kansas, 71-61, to advance to Final Four

Kansas made just 2 of 21 three-pointers (9.5 percent), falling 71-61 to 11th-seeded VCU on Sunday afternoon at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas.

VCU, meanwhile, made 12 of its 25 threes (48 percent).

"It's a disappointing day, obviously. We're crushed," KU coach Bill Self said. "But also, I think at the end of the day, we tried real hard and just came up empty against a team that was better than us today."

Marcus Morris led KU with 20 points on 8-for-19 shooting with 16 rebounds. Tyshawn Taylor added 14 points, while Markieff Morris had 13 points and 12 rebounds.

KU fell behind 39-21 in the first half before closing to within two with 13:13 left in the game. The Jayhawks didn't get any closer.

"Probably one of the poorest shooting nights we've had as a team," KU guard Tyrel Reed said. "But credit to VCU. Our shots weren't falling."

The Jayhawks made just 22 of 62 shots for 35.5 percent, their lowest field-goal percentage in the last two seasons. The team's 9.5 percent three-point shooting also was its worst outing in the last two years.

KU ends its season with a 35-3 record.

Comments

HawkfromHays 9 years, 8 months ago

See you next year...when we choke again.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Here is an idea.... Why don't you just choke yourself... or meet me at Toby Jugs and I will do it for you, Ya negative piece of S#!T!!!!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

You don't tell the truth... You don't back the program... You only have negative things to say. You hate Coach Self, You Hate Coach Gill, You hated Lew Perkins. Try to find some center in your own life, and a little less hating.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Oh by the way I hope your corner gas sation will soon be de-molished, and something relevant could be built there.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

So what is your point???? We lose sometimes??? Wow its a GAME!!!! You have probably never played anything except cheating your kids at monopoly. FBI investigation turned up nothing and yet you are still stewing on it. Sounds like you are a mizzou troll or a ksuck fan, or maybe you are just so old you are living in the PAST!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

So you sucked at football and are a bitter person. You then take it out on the basketball team and its fans and coaches. Ya... you are special...

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Nope you little troll... I played Football, Basketball, Golf, and Tennis for a class 6A school. Why don't you just go look in the mirror and say the word HATER!, because that is what you are, and that is what you always will be.

gusceo 9 years, 8 months ago

KU has a football team? Please don't make me laugh....I just ate.

Darrel Stice 9 years, 8 months ago

+10000

Or maybe go root for Mizzou or KSUck! It's only a game and these guys worked their tails off all year behold are we to criticize when they don't have a good game. Have you ever played a sport? Sometimes things don't go your way. Don't forget that VCU put 5 guys out there, too, and they had nothing to lose! But I'm sure with your narrow-minded thinking you probably expected the opposition to just lay down and accept defeat without even trying.

Blessed4x 9 years, 8 months ago

You pretend to be this wonderfully good sport and tout the hard work these athletes put in and then you pull out "KSUck"? Um kettle, this is the pot, you're black.

Ozarkace68 9 years, 8 months ago

If in fact you are a Hawk from Hayes, one thing you did not learn from your time on the Hill is the difference between the "truth" and the "facts". Sorry for your unhappy college experience. Are you really a Phoenix alum by chance?

gusceo 9 years, 8 months ago

Self is a clown....the worst big game coach in America. He makes Marty Schottenheimer look clutch. A complete choker.

gusceo 9 years, 8 months ago

Self is the worst big game coach in America. He makes Schottenheimer look competent. A complete buffoon and choker.

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

youve gotta be kidding me just imagine where we would be without HCBS let me remind you that Roy NEVER won a title

gusceo 9 years, 8 months ago

He's a clown. A buffoon. To be so woefully unprepared for a clearly inferior team is inexcusable. Even a joke like you could've gotten further.

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

Let me guess you've never stepped foot on the hardwood, you just started watching KU, and cannot even begin to remember the Roy Williams era?

gusceo 9 years, 8 months ago

Let me guess....you've never left a 20 mile radius of Lawrence, KS, and think Bud is a quality brew.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

Hays. What a sad place to live. I forgive you for your bitterness. I live 2 blocks from the Fieldhouse and would rather live here than a Mandalay Bay suite in Vegas.

I see lists of teams that beat us. What I don't see is 1998, 2008 lists of teams we beat to be NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. You see there 346 D1 basketball schools. If we won twice in 23 years, that seems to be quite above average, no?

mispay4ku 9 years, 8 months ago

:) Obviously the moron is not a true fan.

Kendall Simmons 9 years, 8 months ago

Come on lance...we did choke. Didn't you watch the game? It was heartbreaking, but we did not play to our abilities.

We didn't defend the way we're capable of. I mean, this is a team that lives and dies by the 3, and we spend practically the entire game ignoring the outside?

Poor decision-making? We threw up desperation 3-point shots even in the first half! Sloppy passes, rather than crisp passes or well-placed bounce passes.

Stupid, stupid fouls...as if Marcus needed to lower his shoulder into the defender in front of the ref when he could have gone straight up for the shot?

And are we supposed to assume they were "tired"? Such as when our supposedly best players couldn't even jump high enough or push the ball high enough to even make the rim? 3 times on the same play? When we really, really needed those 2 points?

We had a great season...but this game? We choked.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

How can you not say we choked? It may be negative but it's true and there's no denying it.

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

i hate how when a loss comes around all the negative fair weather KU fans come out

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 Just a bunch of negative nellies and wanna be trolls! Great season Hawks but you punched me in the gut again dammit!

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

No because if you were a legitimate fan you wouldnt be so freaking negative you would realize that we are lucky to be fans of such a successful program

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

yeah i pay money too supporting KU but that doesnt mean i take the negative approach when they lose dont get me wrong im upset but im not gonna go out and blame people and make outlandish comments

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Sorry - how is making it to the Elite Eight synonymous with "laying an egg"? This is ridiculous. Just...seriously...go curl up with a dictionary. Anything to improve your IQ.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

We didn't have to play anyone so making it to the Elite 8 this year isn't anything to brag about. We got tested today and Reed and Morningstar choked big time.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

You are a TROLL!!!!! Back under the bridge!!!

Bryan Swan 9 years, 8 months ago

I hear ya JHawksfan 23...GEEZE! It's just a game people...I bleed crimson and blue and yeah it hurts...but in my lifetime I have celebrated two National Championships and a ton of final fours...We are a class program....Keep it classy everyone!

100 9 years, 8 months ago

Keep in mind their posting history. Most of these "fans" are just trolls. Their happiest day is when KU loses because their team lost weeks before or perhaps didn't even make the tournament, or perhaps only won one game or none in the Big 12 tournament.

As for the facts, today is not a happy day for Jayhawk nation. However all bigtime programs lose at least a couple heartbreakers every year. The only outlier to that rule recently is Indiana's 76 team, or from awhile back, Phog & Naismith's 1923 team, both undefeated over the course of a season.

Duke has these midmajors losses, in fact they've lost to VCU. UNC has these embarrassing "name" losses he's referring to, in fact multiple times last year to the point of going NIT. UCLA since '76 has had these types of losses year after year, and had them year after year before 1960.

And Kansas?

We have more wins than any program in the NCAA tournament in the last 25 years. And we're 3rd all time in NCAA tourney wins. And 2nd in all-time wins @ 2000+. And, like Duke & UNC....

We also have a title in the last five years.

And like us.... They also have a loss, or possibly many more....

That really hurt a fanbase who loves their University....

That said....

Congratulations to VCU today.

intheknow 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed! Proud of the Hawks! Disgusted at the one-sided calls thru the entire game. Too bad NCAA pays the refs. NCAA's reputation has much to gain by the much-disputed play-in team going all the way. I just hope the twins see fit to give us their final year next year!

Gregor Southard 9 years, 8 months ago

It's not that we lost... it's how we lost. No emotion until it was too late

selfishhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

At this point, the Self apologists aren't going to pull their heads out until it's way too late. On the court, there are some problems - nothing out of control, though. Off the court, we went from Roy's choir boys to a revolving door of thugs and mental head cases. As much as those on here want to throw stones at Brady and Reed, at least Reed never got in trouble and did well in class.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 8 months ago

Self can't make the shots, make the FTs, or play D for them!!!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

jayhawkinATL is right... Self is a great coach and a great recruiter. He can not play the game for them. I just hope we can have the same kind of success next year. I love winning confrence titles and being a #1 seed. Everything after that is just extra.

Brian Conrad 9 years, 8 months ago

Brady played like he wished he was a thug and guess you forgot about the DUI. Reed was smart but was real liability on defense. I do not mind toughness and think Bill could have done a little more to get smart play out of these guys. fact was EJ had the perfect chance to show smartness and defense.. he gets technical for crowing into camera.. Brady played good much of the time , but made very stupid plays as well. Bill needs to shut down the trash talking. game suspensions whatever it takes , but players like Brady should never be allowed to chirp as he gets his arrrs whipped. mouths were running and they kept pumping in threes .. defense or SHUTUP

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

You're a disgrace, frankly. Take your beer-fueled, half-baked thoughts elsewhere. Nothing about this game or this season is a choke. You're just showing how little you deserve to have the word Hawk in your ID, and how little you actually know about basketball.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Oh, I'm sure your coaching would have been much better. I'm sure you're so wise in the ways of the hardwood, you're the next-in-line to sit on the selection committee. Oh, trust me, I've been to Hays. I know why you're mad at life, and it isn't KU losing in the Elite Eight. It's the fact that that 47-year old fake blonde rejected you last night. It was your best option...and you blew it when you puked down her shirt. Again - sleep it off, Hays.

GreyHawker 9 years, 8 months ago

HawkfromHays........not a good day for the truth......

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Pardon, but it's not the truth. We'll go ahead and put you in the hater, fairweather, closet-MU fan category if you like.

this_guy 9 years, 8 months ago

it's not choking when the refs have family in Vegas ... you can't get anything going without a bullsh@t foul .... it will all come out soon ...

Mike Gammill 9 years, 8 months ago

We choked again. But, it was a fun ride. See ya next year!

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

I'll say it to every single person who makes a post to this effect. Nothing about this season or this game was a choke. Using that word is a cop-out meant only to show your inefficacy as a fan, a verbalist, and a person. This was a great season, and if the seedings as they carried through the tourney are any indication, VCU is a team that obviously learned from each of their 11 losses and didn't take this game for granted, and our second half shows we didn't either. Said it before - keep your "choke" to yourself.

2003hawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't want to say it was a choke either, but what do you call it when your two starting guards (in possibly their last game) can't find the bottom of the net, and shoot 2-21 from the arc. The loss falls on Self, he's the coach. He should've recognized that Brady and Tyrel were off, and put in Elijah and Mario. But I'm no coach. I'm proud of the Hawks' accomplishments this year. Rock Chalk!!

haydenhawkco 9 years, 8 months ago

Good season - lousy last game. Free throws almost seemed like turnovers. The Morris twins were fun to watch develop over the years. I'd be surprised if they came back. Good luck in the NBA!

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

As usual, KU beat KU.

I haven't seen free-throw shooting that atrocious since the 08 title game.

Eric Williams 9 years, 8 months ago

Or, 2003, didn't Nick Collison miss 13 on his own?

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Well, then pick a different team if you're so tired of it. Quit saying you're proud of this team, and then making comments completely to the contrary.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

Searching hard for inconsistencies? There you go making assumptions about my feelings on the whole season based on a small comment like this. You are expanding quite a lot.

Are you expecting a group of passionate fans to come out here and rattle off a bunch of positives about a season when our team just shot the ball from the line like a mediocre high school team in the most important game of the year?

How does a negative comment about a negative stat suggest I should find a new team? If your friends criticize you do you tell them to go get a new friend? You are being illogical because you don't like me being negative. Let people be critical of their team's performance, especially in a game like this. You are hiding behind some "always be positive," "true Jayhawk fan" martyr facade and its annoying. Its not like I am attacking them as people, but you are defending them like I am insulting their family.

Eric Williams 9 years, 8 months ago

In 2003, didn't Nick Collison miss 13 FT on his own?

Hail_To_Thee 9 years, 8 months ago

Phuck all you haters. WTF gives you all the right to say Reed was a liability and that we'll CHOKE again.

Why dont you phucks go cheer for KSUCK or MPEW if you wanna rag on teams.

We made it to the damn elite 8. Things didnt go our way in more ways then one. THIS IS THE GOSH DAMN TOURNAMENT. EVERYONE knows its a one and done deal. Today just wasnt our day.

So to all you bandwagon fags you cheer when we're winning and bag on us when we're losing, heres to you,

GET THE PHUCK OUT.

ku_jayhawk09 9 years, 8 months ago

I love it!! No body was bashing Brady when went for 18 the other night, those two had a bad game, just happened at a bad time.

Currahee 9 years, 8 months ago

No. KU fans have the right to be POed. What good is having an awesome season record when you can't win games when it counts the most? KU dumps SO much money into this program ... If we're ranked 2nd in the nation we better damn well play like it. You might make an argument for OSU losing but they played a better ranked team. VCU? No name team. No name teams should give us NO TROUBLE. If we're gonna lose like this I'd rather have a team that sucks. A team that can't win won't ever disappoint. A team that wins will end up disappointing the most. And that's what hurts the most- this team was so incredulous. That shoving match with Richmond (I don't care who started it- it should have NEVER happened), Marcus going on about how Richmond "better be ready" and playing mind games. What's this elitest attitude? Talk is cheap. Karma hit us in the ballsack and rightfully so.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

You're a complete moron. You must know nothing about b-ball.

Currahee 9 years, 8 months ago

Have fun living in your dreamworld. How's that koolaid tasting?

Craig Colgin 9 years, 8 months ago

Might get your wish next year. If the Morris Twins leave we could honestly struggle to make the NIT.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

Nah, we're still gonna win the Big 12 Conference.

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

This board should be full of angry fans right now so don't peg everyone as haters. Elite 8 does not make this a successful season, a championship team just got beat

Bashing players is another bag of worms though this one goes on the whole team

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm starting to think Phog sold his soul to the devil or something. No way we continue to do this, year after year after year.

selfishhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Roy went to 4 final fours in 15 years! Self will need three decades to do that.

Eric Williams 9 years, 8 months ago

Roy won 0 National Championships for KU, Bill Self needed less than 1 decade to do that.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

If I could, I would personally ban you from commenting. Sleep it off, Hays. It's not our fault you're stuck in bumpkin hell, and that KU basketball is literally your only source of entertainment.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Right. Like I said, bumpkin hell. Sleep it off, Hays. And pick the wheat out of your teeth, kid.

selfishhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

As long as Self is on the bench, you better believe it. He lets them get away with garbage (e.g., missed free throws!) throughout the year while navigating a pathetic schedule. When we object, Self and the Apologists remind us we are winning - please ignore that we beat Nebraska by just 3 points at home. We won!

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm sorry, did I miss the point of the game when Bill Self went to the line? Is this an episode of Heroes or Fringe where Bill Self has the ability to telekinetically guide a free throw in the bucket? Leave Self out of the equation - it's up to a player to practice free throws. There's no "letting them get away with garbage". If you're the coach, are you yanking the rug out from under your players, undermining their confidence, by pulling them out of the game each time they miss a free throw? Come on. You and Hays are obviously in each other's booth at the same run-down, country bar. Get over it, this was a great season, and you're lucky KU has room for fans of little intelligence like you.

horseyhannah101 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree that Self should drill free throws more but he doesn't let them get away with much when you listen to the post game comments he says!! He is very hard on them if you take the time to look at his face during the games when they're not playing the best, normally he is red faced from yelling at them and if you can read lips it's not pretty.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

Thank goodness Reed and Morningstar are gone. No more puff pieces about them in the LJW. No more man-crushes on them on this board, eg "Reed might get a shot at the NBA" - What a joke. I don't care if they're nice white boys from Kansas, they were never that good. And shame on Self for grabbing them like a security blanket. Once again upset while Travis and EJ look on from the bench b/c they're not prepared. Who thinks their speed and athleticism would've helped today?

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

how can you possibly blame this on Reed and Morningstar what did they do?

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

Good question. What did they do? Hint - Not step up and hit 3s.

JHawksfan23 9 years, 8 months ago

Okay but they got outshot by the other team everyone goes cold so theres no way to blame the whole game on them

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

What did brady do - 2 points 4 fouls. That really contributed.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

That is just stupid. Reed and Brady played great all year. They are the reason we got as far as we did. You must not know much about basketball.

gregory 9 years, 8 months ago

MGJayhawk, I loved watching Reed and Morningstar all year, but you have to admit, they gagged in this tournament, especially today. It doesn't make them bad people. Stating the obvious is no reason to tell someone they don't know anything about basketball.

Cmill1221 9 years, 8 months ago

Dude you are out of your mind. Yes they missed shots today but look at the defence they played in the 2nd half. They were a mojor part of that run we had and played great all season. Quit being bitter.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Disagree-Morningstar and Reed both choked.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

This is ridiculous! Is everyone with the word "Hawk" in their screen name trying to point fingers? I don't know about you, Ox, but I had about four beers at the bar, and I have no intention of idiotically slandering anyone who got us to the Elite Eight. Listen - if you want Mizzou's program so bad, they need a coach like you who is narrow-minded, has no idea what talent would look like if it kicked him in the junk, and spends as much time as possible drinking cheap whiskey and making stupid comments on the internet. Congrats to you for figuring out how to use a keyboard.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

Whatever Homer. I and others have been predicting this exact doomsday scenario all year on this board.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Well, that makes you a fine, upstanding citizen in the mental asylum. You should know that what makes a fan is not predicting doomsday as you're openly admitting, but believing in the very best of which your team is capable. I had my doubts about a national championship, but I didn't take one single possession of a KU basketball game for granted. I wear my colors with pride - you're just looking for excuses to "pontificate". Fail.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

I wasn't posting those things earlier in the year b/c I wanted it to happen. Just the opposite. I wanted them to win the NC. But it was obvious to all no-homers that Brady and Tyrel had topped out and it was a matter of time before they were exposed.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

I agree with you to an extent. I'm not necessarily of a "thank goodness they're gone" mentality, but they had their time and I am ready to see what other guys can do. Self did extend his bench as far as one could reasonably expect him to. EJ had seen some significant minutes and had a confidence building period, but he looked equally as awful (and far more timid) during his time in there. I'm also not of the opinion that if a player has speed and athleticism they are better (the Al Davis view of things). Again, I point to EJ. Maybe the most athletic guy on the team, he doesn't know yet how to translate that onto the court.

What I do think is on Self is he should have acknowledged that Reed's foot was causing him problems. He had seen him fading throughout the tournament and to not have a contingency in place for if he came out cold again (particularly when he couldn't keep up on defense) is a pretty egregious coaching mistake.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

I am significantly calmer now, having heard a voice of actual reason. Thank you, ICT.

loyal2thaphog 9 years, 8 months ago

I have to agree. Some news outlet reported that b/c of his foot injury, Tyrel shoots around two days before the game and only practices the day before games. Don't get me wrong, I like Tyrel, I think he was a great player for KU, but there's no denying that his injury began to take on toll on his ability to produce toward the end of the season. I don't think any player in the country, regardless of ability, would be able to put up even decent #'s off one day of shoot arounds and one day of practice before games.

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

self had plenty of time all season to get other guys significant experernce but he decided to stick with his kansas boys especially his neighbor brady. Name one team we played all year that brady would be starting at guard on. He's a bench player. he didn't start averaging more than 3 pts a game until late in the season. That should tell anyone something 15 games ago. Makes a lot of sense to recuit top players and then sit them on the bench. The 7 footer is a good example.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

I probably should have said "Thank goodness Brady and Tyrel are gone b/c Self can't use them as a security blanket anymore." I've always said that the two seem like good kids and play their hearts out, but the talent just isn't there.

We don't whether EJ and/or Travis could've done better b/ac they were never given the leeway and time to develop their talents like Brayd and Tyrel. And that's the problem.

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

was a team loss. granted I agree Reed shouldn't have fired so many blanks today (we needed to get it inside much more, since the 3s were obv. not working), but lots of people missed FTs, turned it over, missed assignments on D.

Kief had 8 or 9 turnovers himself, if you want to single people out. But don't.

I agree EJ and Trav should get some more PT, but Self is stuck in the 'give the seniority the time because it's their last year' mindset, regardless of what kind of talent we have. Too frequent on the subbing too... no rhythm on O when we need it.

Ahh I'm just ranting off topic now :P

kubball4life 9 years, 8 months ago

Blaming Reed and Morningstar is ridiculous, HCBS went with what had worked all year and that was those two.

mr_right_wing 9 years, 8 months ago

All those officers with the Lawrence Police Dept. that were going to have to be on duty for the Final Four can now make alternate plans with their families.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

They won't be, but they are as close to "owing" it to us as a player can be

Craig Colgin 9 years, 8 months ago

They owe us nothing! They played great and did all they could do to win this game.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

You are right they owe us nothing... never said they did

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Ahem: "They are as close to 'owing' it to us as a player can be". So - short memory and a crappy 'Hawks fan. That's two-for-two today, Mr. Dave-on-high. Hey, what college sport did you play?

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

You gotta be kidding me... Do you read what you post on these boards?... and you call me Dave-on-high. You accuse people of being terrible fans and try to cut them down because they say things you don't like.

There is a difference between what I said and saying "They owe it to us."

You call people trolls and you come out here and make negative comments... calling them half-baked, drunk, mentally handicapped losers. Then you call ME ignorant. Does it make you feel smarter and better to do that? People come here to vent about losses and you take it to the level of insulting their intelligence and person-hood for it. Maybe we should be less critical of college players' performances. But this is a college sports message board... and comments like yours are lower than you think.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Congrats DaveHawks, I've just read another stupid comment.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Tell you what, Dave, how about you get out there and play like they did? Feel like getting up for 40 minutes of wall-to-wall basketball? How about for 6 months straight? Oh, your knees are bad? Okay, how about coaching, recruiting, and holding your team together from the sideline to once again establish your team as one of the premier programs? Oh, you didn't graduate high school? Got it. Stuff a sock in it then. These guys gave their heart and soul. If they want to be millionaires, that's their prerogative. They earned it.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

What a joke. You actually think athletes deserve what they get paid...?

Don't give me this personal attack crap. I know damn well what its like to push yourself as a college athlete.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

That's not the question. The question is - do you personally have what it takes to walk a mile in their shoes? Neither you nor I set that standard, Dave, because we weren't a part of it. But you sure are claiming some fictitious right to criticize it. I highly doubt you ever, ever had any idea of what it took to achieve what they did this season, so step off of it. All you're being is ignorant, picky, and whiny. It was a great season, and you should be thankful.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

All you are doing is attacking people you know nothing about on the message boards. I am not going to sit here and tout my personal sporting accomplishments on the internet to some guy I don't know... But it is ignorant of YOU to suggest that I don't know what its like to achieve something great.

I don't think any athlete owes something to a fanbase. I never said they did. Its true they owe us nothing, their life is their own.

But, stop projecting other people's comments onto me. I am very disappointed with this game and I think that is justified. I am thankful for a great regular season and Big XII tourney. I never said I wasn't.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 8 months ago

Nope...solid 1st round picks..they're history!!!

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

I had them going for sure but this could change things

AirCapJay 9 years, 8 months ago

A lot of hacking under the basket not called when we had the ball.

I don't understand why Self did not run full court pressure until the VCU team puked. They were tired at the point we got within 2. Self should have put the hammer down. We let up at that point. Marcus falling out of bounds with the ball in his hands when we were within 2 was the turning point of our great comeback.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

With the way they were shooting the 3 they would have torch us even worse plus Self doesn't play zone(very often)

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

OK, finally some decent analysis. Yes, I think we all wanted to see a good press, but I think Self's intent was to try to keep his guys from any sort of fatigue. Unfortunately, it didn't play out. You've got some good points, but there's no good way to overcome a +50% 3-point first half from any team. They were gunning and making. Let's face it - VCU just showed up to play. At least through this game, they're a giant-slayer.

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

Let's go find some more 25 year olds with a dad that sits behind the bench.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Why dont you go root for Mizzu, troll!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Why dont you go root for Mizzu, troll!

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey Gump - we understand, special ed was rough for you. But hey - stupid is as stupid does, and you should stick to what you're good at.

ljmhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

the better team did NOT win today, KU is the better team but for some stupid reason we can never beat these po dunk mid major teams. we need players who can drain 3s and drive and dunk on people. oh...and btw I think SHAQ shoots a better FT percentage than KU.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 8 months ago

The poor FT shooting was bound to catch up with us.

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

those players are there. SELF shows favortism and has designated green light for certain players. EJ and Releford are the real deal but they didn't have the green light. Plus they are great dribble-drivers but they were relegated to role playing. All of the teams that are or will be in the final 4 has guards that drive inside and dish. SELF got that whip it around and hope to make a 3. Shooting 3's are like a dice game.

dchon 9 years, 8 months ago

Through all the ups and downs of this season, we're proud of you guys! Don't lose the swagger and keep your chins up! Thanks for the great year!

FOE!

RCJH!!

dana2k 9 years, 8 months ago

Poor defense first half, poor free throws, and poor outside shooting. Markief had another mediocre game. That being said, we had a great season considering we weren't expected to win the Big 12 by most people. Everyone moaning about chokes should remember 2008 and what the expectations were for this team going into this season. Hawkfromhays and you other fair-weather fans should just zip it. People who blame Brady and Tyrel for this have clearly not watched the Jayhawks all season long, where either or both of them have given us victories we would not otherwise have. Brady had 18 last game. Open your eyes and pay attention!

John White 9 years, 8 months ago

Why does everyone think Selby not getting enough playing time is the problem? Besides his first game, he was terrible all season and just as terrible today in the little playing time he did get. Reed and Morningstar had poor games today, but Selby was no better and at least the first two have a history of producing this season. Selby was just an overrated one and done. I will be shocked if he has success in the NBA.

Mickster 9 years, 8 months ago

I have said it all year...there was no way we were gonna get to the final four with Reed and Morningstar...and in fact...we didn't!

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed Moringstar should have played at a mid major but of course Daddy made sure that did not happen.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Sorry but it is the complete truth. This is not made up.

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 8 months ago

So looking ahead to next year, where will the front line come from if the twins leave? I like Releford's defensive presence, but who is going to score! This may have been our best chance for a few years. This totally sucks!!! But I still love my 'Hawks...Rock Chalk Jayhawk!!!

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Selby, Tyshawn, Releford, EJ and maybe Wooldridge will get a lot of minutes. Selby will be the go to.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Selby will not be back and I do not blame him.

Mickster 9 years, 8 months ago

I'll tell ya what KU needs...a Mookie Blaylock!!!!!

Mickster 9 years, 8 months ago

I'll tell you what KU needs...a Mookie Blaylock!!!

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Looks like you and I are on the same page about Releford again, rockchalk. I do think it will be a difficult season, but man - I love how KU's fates can change over the years. I'd love to see what we can do when we're the underdog, instead of the pseudo-underdog the media likes to make us out to be.

utahjayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

no blame, we got beat by a better team today, but that still makes you a gutless troll

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey - if you can read, you can see how the national media played it up like KU had this gravy train with biscuit wheels geared up to ferry them to the national championship. What you'll see if you read some actual local analysis and talk to some real basketball fans is that the team did not overlook VCU for one second. Every single person I talked to about officiating today said the same thing: "If it comes down to officiating, we didn't play well enough." And each one of them was wearing my beloved Crimson and Blue today. If you've got your limit, there's a couple of teams, one in 'Hattan, one in Columbia, that just love fans like you. And they can have ya as far as I'm concerned.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

Well not much to say except VCU can shoot the 3 like no other team. FT's hurt this team, Self is still a good coach no matter what people say. See what happens next year.

Currahee 9 years, 8 months ago

I always knew that the free throws would get us in the end.... maybe Self didn't remind the players how Memphis lost to us in 2008.

trinity 9 years, 8 months ago

anyone have any info yet on about when the boys will be arriving back at home? i for one would love to welcome them back and thank 'em for another great season.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

"Great" season?

How about "great" regular season; "great" conference tournament; horrific NCAA tournament.

It's not the players fault here. It is coach Self. Poorly constructed team, with better options on the bench. The players played their guts out.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Well said well said. Yes we are fusterated for good reason. I wanted to watch basketball this year not hockey and our best talent did not get their PT which would have helped in this tournment.

Hail_To_Thee 9 years, 8 months ago

Criticism and out right phucking disrespect are two totally different things. People out right disrespect KU when they lose a game. Regular season or tournament. I'm sick of it. If people cant take losing in sports, then go watch phucking soap operas. ITS A REALITY. People lose.

People who bag about how much we sucked or who did what is simply looking for some way to east their sadness by looking for someone to blame it on. Theres no one to blame. It happens. Is VCU the better team, absolutely not. WAS VCU the better team today, absolutely.

You people who have to find someone to blame to make you and your petty little world feel better make me phuckin sick. I still would like to know, WTF gives you the right to lay the blame on someone? Unless you were out on that court and could have changed the outcome of the game, just STFU and be supportive of our team. I'm sure the first thing they want to hear after a loss is, "OH YOU GUYS PHUCKIN CHOKED" "OH, WAY TO NOT SHOW UP TYREL." Seriously, go screw yourselves. Tyrel gave this community 4 AWESOME years, and people are going to lay the blame on him??????

Thats the only problem with sports. As a nation, everyone judges a teams season by the way the leave the tournament. Nevermind the fact that we won the regular season title, + the Big 12 tournament title, when we wasnt even expected to win either one. But hey, we lost in the Elite 8 of the NCAA tournament so the season was a drag. Its ok to bag.

Give me a break.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyrel just cost the great KU a Final 4, so don't give me that BS about him giving us four great years. He never had a big moment when it counted for us. Today wasn't a matter of him not stepping up, it was about him making crucial mistakes over and over again that killed us and gave the game away.

Hail_To_Thee 9 years, 8 months ago

You're a moron. Take your a$$ across the border and cheer for piss poor missery. I dont understand how you consider shots not falling a "mistake". Please do explain. If thats the case, hell, the entire KU team was a mistake today, cause noones shot was falling.

Reeds Season Stats:

MIN - 1089 PTS - 369 FGA - 267 FGM - 109 3PT - 72 FT - 79 OFF R - 23 DEF R - 95 TOT - 118 AST - 66 STL - 56 BLK - 7 TO - 35 PF - 52

You look at those stats and tell all of KUSports where you see Tyrel has made crucial mistakes over and over again. Show me one game that we lost on the shoulders of Reed......

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

72 threes for a one dimensional player who can only shoot threes is not very good at all. Especially considering the minutes he got. Compare that to Boschee, Terry Brown, Billy Thomas or other primary three point shooters we've had who got his kind of minutes. Mediocre is all you can call it. And by the way, he cost us the Final 4 today.

Hail_To_Thee 9 years, 8 months ago

Reed averages 9.7 ppg, third highest on the team. He had 9 today so he got his average. TRob averages 7.6, today he had 0. Morningstar averages 7.1, today he had 2. I'de venture to say that Reed held up his end of the bargain.

Not pointing fingers at TRob and Morningstar, just proving a point to this a$$hat.

And he didn't cost you sh!t.

justinryman 9 years, 8 months ago

Ran into the hottest team in the turny and well got out hustled.

You win as a team lose as a team. This loss wasn't done by any one player. But lost by the collection of players. Misses for us are usually rebounds and they became fast breaks for VCU. All cause they were in better position than us.

Just remember when VCU is a below .500 team next year the only time they will get mentioned during the turny is when KU plays.

I am not ashamed of being a KU fan, never have and never will. Ice cold hurts, but they made a run never gave up, and when they got within 2 they were out of gas both physically and emotionally. Same thing that happened to UNC when we beat them back in '08.

KU was the only #1 seed left in the elite 8 and and there was only 1 2 seed as well. This turny was made for the upsets this year.

And to heck with the guy who picked Butler, VCU UConn and UK to be in the finlal 4 on espn.com!!!!

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

My take...

1) Why did coach stay man-to-man against this team? The matchup zone we use sometimes limits 3 point shooters. That's all VCU did to win. They had a few gimmes but those are expected. I put much of the blame on the defensive game plan. Why did we help on every drive to open up a 3 point look? Just stupid! 2) Reed was non-existent this tourney. He played awesome all year and left it in Kansas City. Tough kid. Great kid. We needed him though. 3) Morris' missed so many bunnies that they usually make. That cost us too. 4) Don't get me started on FT shooting....(i.e. we would have won had we made at least 70%) 5) 11% 3-point percentage. 'Nuff said.
6) Tyshawn was excellent again. Tough call in the first half that cost him some minutes. 7) Refs made many mistakes but we can't blame them for this loss.
8) We didn't have good enough guard play in this one. As I've said before, if Brady and Reed aren't part of the offensive flow then we are weak.
9) See #1. A matchup zone would have slowed down their pick and pop and we could have limited so many stupid fouls. 10) If the Morris' come back next year we should be the favorite to be in the Final Four again. If they leave for the NBA, we might not be #3 in the Big 12. 10a) If Selby sticks around he better work on a lot of things. He is going to be our go to next year (a la Brandon Rush).

P.S. - The worst thing about this loss is it was to a school that really had no business being in the tourney. They played great throughout so I'm not dogging their tourney presence. "Another mid-major upsets us" is getting real old. This season wasn't a Fail by any means, but very heart breaking to lose this way.

Thanks Brady, Tyrel and Mario for giving us all you had. We'll miss ya next year.

(lowering KU flag to half mast)

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Look idiot-Self cant make the guys hit shots. The blame is on Reed and Morningstar.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Ah, a Self is God member.

Yes, but coach Self can make substitutions .. or am I incorrect there?

utahjayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Good points. Personally, the boys defended the roll and replace in the half court -- VCU hit some tough 3s first half and we didn't respect Skeen's threat. That first half hole was just too much. I don't blame Tyrel and Brady - bad games happen. I believe Selby is gone, even though it's all potential and not based on performance.

tis4tim 9 years, 8 months ago

Thanks to the team, the LJW staff, and all of you for making this a great season. I've enjoyed chatting with everyone this year. I wish it would have ended differently, but I'm proud of the guys no less.

Rock Chalk!

bradyboy 9 years, 8 months ago

We love the twins! And you people are expected reed and morningstar to hit everything. C'mon we were a great team this year. We have acomplished so much in growing up our kids. Bill self is a great coach and so are his assistant coaches. We should be proud if the twins and t rob go. It means coach has done his job.

Dave Seefeldt 9 years, 8 months ago

Not everything... just anything. They are role players... that is their role and people expect a player to play their role. I don't understand all the sugar coating? Reed also missed as many FTs today as he should for an entire post season. There is no excuse for that. Ask him and he'll probably tell you the same thing. The attacks from fans are stupid, but its okay to be critical instead of saying 'well shucks the shots just didn't fall, great year boys.' No one buys that, especially the players.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

35-3, conference champs, tourney champs, last #1 standing. This is the kind of season every other team in the B12 makes a DVD about.

Sad game, good season. Still wouldn't trade my team for anyone.

Thanks for the memories, Brady, Tyrel, 'Rio. It was a tough final game for you guys, but no one can say you didn't play with heart. Shooting % does not equal drive.

Come back for another round, Morii and Josh. Let's make a deeper run next year.

RCJH for life.

loyal2thaphog 9 years, 8 months ago

Disagree...#1 seeds that don't make the final 4 don't glamorize their season by making a DVD and promoting the sh*t out of it like its the best thing since Redbox,

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

...And we won't.

That's kinda my point.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 8 months ago

No shame in losing in the elite 8, last number one seed. VCU first half was just to good. Cant believe all the hate for brady and tyrel, their defense was a huge part we even came back. I thought the refs were a reason we lost but not the reason. You cant shoot 2-22 from behind the arc. VCU is a great team that just realized what they can do. Still don't think they should have made the tourney but you make they best and they have. Last time we lost in the elite 8, we won it all. Morii, come back. With a year of maturity with selby, Taylor turned into a really good pg and maybe D. Daniels as a wing player, we can be really good. No shame.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Bradford Burgess! Another BB loss. The curse goes deeper than just team names. Will we ever win a tournament again if they don't change the name of the game???? BasketBall! BB, OH NO!

After losing 3 stars, nobody really expected them to get this far this year. A tribute to the commitment of both the coaching staff and the players.

Not hard to understand the pressure that develops when the #11 seed shoots lights out 3's.

Thought we had them when we got it to two. Gotta give VCU credit. They played looser because they had nothing to lose.

We knew what we would face if we lost the game. Sports announcers calling it one of the greatest upsets ever. Kinda shows where the sportsworld rates KU Basketball. Last #1 to fall.

Rock Chalk Jayhawks! Good year. Hope all that can do come back next year.

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

Not a great way to go out, and in the end, despite some questionable calls, we have no one to blame but ourselves. But it's hard to win the tournament.

Great season that we can still be proud of. If you have to hang your hat on a game that in the end only one team gets to win, you'll be miserable almost every year.

Like the haters, who are forced to feed off the defeat of their rivals, lacking any positive success of their own.

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 8 months ago

Is it KU choking or the CBS conspiricy theory? Kinda funny that we close within two and cant buy a call from that point on. It was the perfect storm of being horrible (this word does not do it justice) from the free throw line and shooting from behind the arc as bad as a high school girls game. The icing on the cake is the officiating and you have to win despite those gentelman. Never should have been in the position we were in, dug too deep of a hole. On the bright side for CBS, they get to pad their ratings with all Eastern teams in the Final $ so congratulations to them for their big payday.

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

Its the dribble-drive BABY. Coach Self needs to learn that you cannot have designated green light for certain players. Plus he needs to learn to teach the mid-range game 11-14. Then he needs to trust other players when they get in tight. If Caliperi of Kentucky had this team they would be off the top.

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

he wouldn't have gotten away with it here plus its Kansas he wouldn't have to

FTUCH3432 9 years, 8 months ago

thanks for a great year boys... disappointing to get out that way; this year.... finish the mission, marcus and markieff. come back next year and be the absolute best. FOE

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Seriously? What "great year?" Show me the "great year."

"Disappointing"???

Uh, yea.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

How many 4 or 5 star players on VCU squad?

Bee Bee 9 years, 8 months ago

ARE YOU KIDDING MEEEEE???????? MAKE A DAMN FREE THROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

The most unbalanced officiating I have ever seen, ever. We literally HAD the game back with about 15 left and the refs go back to their first half mode and give them the game for the second time

They post absolute freak shooting numbers

We hit nothing

Our bigs are thrown completely off their game by what the refs are calling

But a lot of guys got scared out there, nerves shown, and yes, they choked

Awful game on all accounts

We'll be back but come on, how could we not show up for a tourney game after what happened last year

Jesus

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 It is simply true that was the saddest crew of officials I saw in a long long time. The money invested in the sport deserves 3 competent humans. We did not receive that. And to think their coach got a technical for complaining.... WOW!

Selbyville 9 years, 8 months ago

I lost it when he got that call.

"That's not shooting??"

Chris1955 9 years, 8 months ago

Random March Madness thoughts.

Self outcoached again.
Morii intimidated once again. Weak at guard play once again. Can't make free throws once again. Can't make 3-pointers once again. Lose to a mid-major once again.

At least you tell early on when we're going to spit the bit. Disappointed and disgusted!

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

This is what happens with a Hockey rotation.

Eric Williams 9 years, 8 months ago

Self outcoached ... check. Morii intimidated ... disagree, I just think they didn't respect VCU Weak at guard play ... minus Tyshawn yes Can't make FT ... check Can't make 3 PT ... check Lose to mid-major ... check

I honestly think this was a game that the Jayhawks thought would be a cake-walk and didn't realize it wasn't until Halftime.

Also, it was an early game (relatively) and we play horrible in early games.

Skoomlaash 9 years, 8 months ago

What a Joke I can understand the loss to Texas and KSU, but to loss to VCU in a tourney is just weak. Hang your head, cry it out and punch holes in the wall, because your heart and pride was not on display today. Twins, taylor you guys played a good game, but great is what is needed to win in the tourney. You should not have to pick up the slack of your other teammates like REed and morningstar I mean if they can't guard then knock your shots down. If you cant hit your shoots than guard and they did neither. You know there going for the three you knew their games heck everybody in the nation did. I respect the twins but for them to come back and than loss next year, because their is no star guard like Chalmers, Robinson, Collins and so on. Yes you guys will always be judge from that 2008 team, until you win those games you should have won. that 2008 team guarded Curry and made big stops the guards did not do this and I don't want to cheer next year for those who have that cloud over their heads, I'm cool with new blood, but would love to have them back but please get better guards no more Reed and Morningstar. I said my words patching my wall and now have to fix my controller. Time to finish my Thesis and thanks for wasting my time and hope for something great. Self Build a better team. I give props to VCU, but it still makes me sick that we loss to these small schools the 2008 got past Davidson. and until we bring in big guards we will always loss to small schools. I am sick and hate this loss.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

You are a self-indulgent individual to say "thanks for wasting my time". Do you realize how many hours in the YEARS Reed and Morningstar dedicated to KU? They won a better percentage of games than 99% of college hoops players. They are great kids.
Show up at the Fieldhouse tonight and wear a giant Missouri shirt and I'll waste your time!

90sHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

This game came down to KU not showing up to play defense from the get-go. VCU wasn't shooting and making Jimmer like 35-footers all game. We played p*ss poor defense the first half, put ourselves in a huge hole we couldn't get out of. The 2nd half, we made our run, only to get within 4-6 and turnaround and abandoned the inside game to throw up more 3-pointers on a day we were stone cold from outside. That is what I don't get; the stupidity of abandoning what got you there. It's frustrating to see us get 2-3 stops in a row only to convert 1 out of 3 of our possessions; the other 2 being a stupid turnover and the other a bad shot from outside. These kids appear to have to get punched in the face before they figure out VCU came to play. Good season nonetheless.

Alan Mills 9 years, 8 months ago

All season long, our killer instinct has been missing. Our players foul and look shocked, even though they foul. Our players turn it over and looked shocked, as if they have never had a turnover in their lives. We stretch leads to 15-20, then allow lesser teams back in the game night after night after night. If you are a fan and have watched the games, you've been as frustrated all year as me. In light of all this, the outcome last season and this season is no surprise.

I'm sure all those hippy liberal KU love-fest fans out there will say "thanks for a great season, bummer ending like that". Real, life-long KU fans no better. This is a disaster ending to the KU season and equals a total failure. If you don't think that's true, you don't really want to win. In the end, there is one winner; everyone else is a LOSER. That's how the NCAA basketball tournament works. We all love it more than that stupid BCS thing. So, you either get on board or you vote to stop keeping score - and you think crying is OK is basketball!

This end was identical to last year and so many other games. When you don't take the opponent seriously, you lose. We opened 8-2, then played like it would be easy the rest of the half. Second half, we came out tough, then totally folded when the Morris twins had back-to-back fouls.

Our depth was suspect today, and all year. Robinson, who had more challenges off the court this year than anyone ever should, was a roller coaster. No touch, a total mental midget, but a gifted body. Didn't I see somewhere that he might go into the draft. What a fiasco that would be. The twins are poor excuses for Philly thugs. There's a reason they aren't in Philly anymore...they'd get theirs a$$es whooped on the streets of Philly! Way too soft. Mario...wait, didn't he beat up his girlfriend and her new boyfriend after she dumped him? Oh yeah! Selby...not much different than Xavier, except that he might actually be smart enough NOT to go to the draft. Beyond that, I'm lost. Why didn't Releford play ahead of all three? I can imagine local D-I and D-II teams that would love to have Releford. If he isn't going to play at KU...Withey: boy, he's been a great addition. Hope these other no-name transfers turn out as solid as he has been.

Finally, I saw that someone thought our tunnel brawl with Richmond was a bad thing. I disagree. Heck, a year ago we won a brawl with the football team (which might explain the struggles of our football team), then got scolded for it all year. Sorry, but that tunnel brawl with Richmond led to a 20-point win. We could have used something like that today. Instead, we came out and thought it would be easy.

I am totally disappointed with this team and our coaching today. The BETTER team and BETTER coach won today, without a doubt. That is really disappointing to any real KU fan.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

"I'm sure all those hippy liberal KU love-fest fans out there will say "thanks for a great season, bummer ending like that". Real, life-long KU fans no better."

Maybe that's because we have lives. Perhaps you should get one, too.

90sHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Pathetic post ! ... not sure where you get off calling Robinson a mental midget or the twins 'soft'. If bashing these guys makes you feel like a man go right ahead. I have a feeling these are words you wouldnt say to their face. Your a punk

Rudi Schmidt 9 years, 8 months ago

90sHawk: crimsonracine knows basketball, you must be a sociology student--no killer instinct, big problem; everyone must be thinking about their 'contracts'. It won't happen, but if I were Bill, I'd say to Josh, the twins: yes, go pro--we need your scholarships for players who are 'all in'... and they can sit on someone's bench next to Aldrich. It's time for a big reeval because these losses to lesser talented teams is inexplicable and creating a new chant, RockChokeJayhawk.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

Obviously easy to be negative. Our team was dominant all year. Play VCU 3 times and we win 2. Check the tape of Burgess making a 3 8 mins into game and he jaws right at Self 3 feet from him. AUTOMATIC TECHNICAL. 3 minutes left in first half and the ref actually counts 5 seconds of Tyshaun guarding the point and no call. The guys couldn't keep continuity because what was a foul on one end was no call on the other. We may have been able to overcome terrible 3 point shooting and 50% free throws, but it was the worst officiating I saw all year. I can accept our non-paid students not winning every game, but to have no fun whatsoever because of 3 PAID officials.... Travesty

Everyone flames on the internet, but those laughingstock refs cost us 10 points in the first half alone. I will be at Allen Fieldhouse to cheer the guys for their great effort all year. To blame them or to bad talk any of those guys and you should look at your own sad life. These guys didn't get technicals or lash out when 3 officials decided that Marcus fouled by touching the numbers on the guys jerzey, yet he got banged on entry pass, the ensuing shot, and the rebound attempt. In fourty minutes I think KU got 3 lucky calls and 30 against.

ESPN is full of "blank you entitled KU fans" well we have more pride than any program. We have one of the elite coaches, facilities, and any player would be lucky to come here. We act like our program is better because it is. But in fourty minutes, sometimes the best team isn't ahead at the end. I love the Hawks, and its hard to end here, but bad talk the guys or stand up for those officials and you and I got issues.

Rock Chalk!

DevilHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Agree entirely on the officiating...and I also follow the Pac-10. Absolutely miserable.

jayhawk15 9 years, 8 months ago

Reed and Morningstar gave a lot to this program. but you would have to be crazy not to realize we lost because of there poor play 1-11 from three and 2-16 from the field is just not going to cut it I'm sorry. Again we had a good season, but great seasons are made by getting to the final four. This was our year we had an easy path to the championship game and we were the favorite and we blew it. This is almost as bad as the uni loss maybe even worse if you consider how close we were to winning it all. They shot well, but it wasn't ridiculous, bad close outs on D and we played terrible on offense 15-28 free throws and 2-22 from three. Officals didn't help either, turning point of game we cut it to 2 and then a blown charge call by the offical that gave markieff his 3rd foul and then a terrible call on a foul on a three that there was no contact on. But it didnt come down to just that and we didn't respond

Calvin Mabry 9 years, 8 months ago

Second guessing won't change a thing. We came out too tight to play our game and got beat, simple as that.I don't think all the constant reminders about N. Iowa and the giant killer mid majors helped us.Whatever it was our heads were not in the game the first half. You can't spot ANY team 20 points in the Elite 8 and expect to win. I'm very proud of the Jayhawks and Coach Self for all they've accomplished. Maybe this sad ending will convince the Twins and Selby to come back and show the world next year. If not, I'm sure Coach Self will have more great players coming to play for the Jayhawks. Rock Chalk, you'll get 'em next time.

HondaFoo 9 years, 8 months ago

Worst part is now VCU is just going to lose by 30 to Butler, which is what always happens when a high seed beats KU

It's like...they exist only to beat Ku, then disappear into fairy dust

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

VCU won 5 games already. They beat better teams back to back to back to back to back. Don't tear them down. If they get the same ref crew they will beat Butler by 30. The odds were that they wouldn't make that many 3s, and that we wouldn't miss that many. We missed FT, and oh yea, we got Prison-quality-drop-the-soap-in-the-shower officials.

HondaFoo 9 years, 8 months ago

The officials sucked and KU couldn't hit their free throws and open shots, true, but...

I can't help but imagine that there's always some Mickey Mouse magic crap happening everytime KU plays a lower seed, it's like some stupid fairy tale that we're always on the wrong side of

utahjayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

That's hyperbole or just crazy. VCU has an excellent shot of beating Butler.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

A lot of fans aren't going to want to hear this. They're going to play the "you're a fair-weather fan" card. The bottom line is that Brady & Tyrel let us down. There's no way you can look at it any other way. Reed in particular - horrible shooting, played horrible defense all game long, never came up with any loose balls. Look, everybody loves Tyrel. Gritty, no quit, Kansas kid, academic all-american. He is everything good about college athletics. No doubt. But he had the worst game of his career (that I can remember). It reminded me a lot of Sherron's performance against UNI. Shot us right out of the game.

Coach Self definitely should have pulled him, but we've saw it last year with Sherron, he is going to ride the horses he rode in on. In his defense (or maybe a criticism of him, depending on your point of view), he didn't have a lot of options to turn to. Unlike last year Self had expanded his bench and several players should have been ready to perform. Little, EJ, Selby - none looked good in their time in there. Releford is the only player who was not a regular in the rotation that one could make the argument should have been developed.

And while we should have never let it get to the point that it mattered, the officiating was horrible. Tyshawn's 2 first half fouls were completely bogus. The blocking foul on Marcus. And many non-calls against the VCU players defending the Twins, never more obvious than towards the end of the game when even Kerr & Alberts said there could have been 2 fouls called on the play that ended up with a VCU player on the floor calling a timeout. Granted we shot horribly from the free throw line, so who knows how much of an impact an accurately officiated game would have made.

All year long I said that I didn't think our guard play was strong enough. Ironically I never envisioned Tyshawn playing at the high level he did, but it wasn't enough to offset the poor performances from the other guard spots. My only hope is that the Twins return for their Senior year, we bring in McLemore and/or Daniels, Selby is healthy all year and plays to his abilities, Releford becomes a star after waiting his turn and finally seeing significant playing time, and we get another look at it next year. RCJH!

utahjayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

ict, you raise interesting points but I'm looking at it a little different after multiple early exits (based on seeding). I'm thinking that Coach fosters a culture that's too heavy on the stick and not enough carrot. In the end, kids can't play loose if they're looking over their shoulders expecting to be yanked.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

Well you can look at it from a perspective of a collection of early exits, or you can look at it as each situation was unique. I would say that it is becoming evident that Self needs to do something different to get the team to just play freer and not so tight, but I can't look at this game as a scenario where anyone that underperformed did so for fear of getting yanked. The starters knew they would all get a ton of minutes barring foul trouble. That has been consistent all season. Brady & Tyrel played 32 & 34 minutes, respectively, so it's hard to fathom those two were not playing loose because they were afraid they'd be headed to the bench.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

Self couldn't get EJ and Travis out of the game quick enough when they made a mistake. It's no wonder they think they have to come in firing when they get in b/c they may not get another chance. EJ went from starter to non-factor over the course of the last ten games. You can't put someone on that type of yo-yo and not expect their confidence to be shaken,

hawkhoops 9 years, 8 months ago

All you Tyrel and Brady haters.....Coach played them because they have a brain in their head and play the game the right way, played for the TEAM. If he every had them both on the bench, the idiots ran amuck! ...... poor defense, dribble down put up a 25 footer without passing, 5 games of one-on-one, 5s trying to play the 1 because they're going to be a lottery pick ....

No one was shooting to miss. Why are their misses worse then everyone else's? How many did they hit throughout the year.

Thanks Brady and Tyrel.

Thanks to all the "Hawks. Most teams would be excited to have the season you did.

friendlyjhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Still proud to be a JAYHAWK! As spectator's we invest a great deal of personal pride and ego watching the team play and then are quick to become armchair coaches when our ego and pride is hurt. What happened to being a good sport? All that blasted commentary on TV to fill time and all that know it all writing by sports writers and anonymous know it alls on here. See you next year team!

Terry Sexton 9 years, 8 months ago

Dang it! Congrats to Bill & the Boys for a great year, though.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 8 months ago

VCU is a compelling story, and the refs in the game thought so, too. KU played very poorly, but they were also allowed to play their game. KU was not.

Still, KU blew it and went cold, from the stripe and from three, and they weren't getting the foul calls inside.

RockCaCO3 9 years, 8 months ago

gotmylimitofjhawks and HawkfromHays sittin in a tree....

you two make a cute couple.

ejlumus 9 years, 8 months ago

Being an ex football player you probably contributed to our football history.

From your comments the only thing you played was youself!

RCJH

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 8 months ago

On the bright side CBS will enjoy a good pay day with their all Eastern team Final $ complete with a cindy, just the way they like it.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

Let's see what I read on the board:

  1. Self sucks (I guess he should be fired)
  2. Twins are lazy (I guess we should hope they don't come back)
  3. Tyrel and Brady lost this game (I guess we should be glad they're gone)
  4. Worst team in the country to cheer for (So why are you here?)

yada yada yada

As for me. Thanks guys for another exciting but slightly too short season. Tyrel and Brady I'll miss you guys. Morii I hope this made you mad enough to try one more year. If not I'll understand and wish you both all the best. TRob I hope to see you again next year, but also if not I'll understand. You've had a season I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. Do what you need to do for your little sis. Josh, Ty, EJ, Travis, keep your heads up and see you all next year. Would be nice to see you all in New Orleans next year. RCJHKU!!! How long before Midnight Madness?

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

Then have it.

Hanging your entire hat on a game that, in the end, only two teams get to play in and only one team gets to win will only make you miserable, apparently 18 years out of 20.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Pretty much .. but no, different expectations with different teams. When we're a one seed, we should make the final four. Perhaps not every time. Recent history .. we should have made it either this season, or last. There is no excuse for this team not being in the final four either this past season, or this season.

This lays at Coach Self's doorstep.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

2008 was the first time in the history of the tournament that all 4 #1 seeds made it to the final four.

Doesn't sound like a number one seed is much of a free ride to the finals.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

You're a pathetic apologist. Great observation.

We get to play a 16 seed, a 9 seed, and an 11 .. that's about as free as it gets.

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

"When we're a one seed, we should make the final four."

And yet, in the last 2 years, only 1 of 8 have made it to the Final Four.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

I've been a Chicago Cub fan all my life. That helps. lol

4getabouit 9 years, 8 months ago

VCU played great tourney ball today. They came in fourth in the Colonial league and beat a slew of great teams to get to ku. My hat is off to them.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 Even KU fans should cheer for the opponent. Burgess in the first half did jaw right at self after one of his 3 point barrages, but they played classy and tough. Good for them.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

agreed but I still can't fnnnnnnnnn believe it! VCU Really? We lost to FNNNNNNNNN VCU?!?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

Another great season for KU. Too bad they lost this game, but winning this tourney is an exercise in finding which team gets hot for six games (or perhaps seven for VCU) in a row, not determining which is the best team.

Making it through a single-elimation format like this has as much to do with luck as it does talent. Just as with N. Iowa last year, if KU and VCU play ten times, KU probably wins eight of them, by an average of 15 or more points.

But every team has off days-- KU had three of them this year, one of them today.

Rudi Schmidt 9 years, 8 months ago

bozo you are the excuse King of the blog, which is why you are a bozo... we are talking Bradley, NI, VCU, not Arizona, Georgetown, Washington; the losses are inexplicable, given the talent level (and supposedly coaching resumes). Bad luck is an excuse for poor preparation, poor attitude, poor strategy...it is what it is, which leads anyone with a brain to suggest that to get to the final four, at least, for KU, requires something different: players?, coaches?, attitude?, schedule (pretty weak if you asked me)?...so KU wins 8 of the 10 games in your mini-tournament, bfd, no one cares--winning when it matters always matters. But if you want to give the team a 'participation award', go ahead.

DevilHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Nevermind how we (the fans) are doing, I feel miserable for every player, coach, and family member directly related to the team.

  • It wasn't supposed to end like this for Reed: 1-10 overall; 1-8 from beyond the arc.

  • It wasn't supposed to end like this for Brady: 1-6 overall; 0-3 from beyond the arc.

  • The season wasn't supposed to end like this for TRob: 0 pts; 0 FGAs; 2 rebs. Especially not after the hell that he went through this year.

Ultimately, this was perhaps KU's worst game in a very, very long time. I'm sure that Jesse will need to dig through the stats in order to find a truly similar game. Unfortunately, many of the shots from beyond the arc - which normally fall in - decided to pop out instead.

Steve Jacob 9 years, 8 months ago

Bill Self 1-6 in the Elite Eight with one final four in 8 seasons at KU. I know he made that one count, but still, the 2008 Championship t-shirts are fading.

brooksmd 9 years, 8 months ago

How many NCAA Championship t's do you have from the previous 15 seasons?

that_guy 9 years, 8 months ago

let's fire him and get shaka smart! are you kidding me? read your post...6 elite eight apperances in 8 years. your "picks" at the bottom dont even include KU...how the hell could you possibly be upset about this?

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

I am listening to the postgame and Brady absolutley accepted no responsibility for his shooting. My god we shot 2 for 21 from 3's. Accept some responsibility. Just to prove BM has no clue.

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

his dad probably didn't have time to tell him what to say.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

This is easy. 1. This one is on coach Self. We now have reached exactly one Final Four in 8 seasons. Not acceptable given our talent and seeding. 2. This team was obviously not prepared for this style of play. 3. Coach Self bet his season on Brady Morningstar. It was a huge point of discussion until Brady's play turned around. The point I made was that I did not believe he would step up in the crucial situation. That we needed to have better, more diverse offensive option. He played well in 2008-09, then choked vs. Michigan St. He did it again today. This debate is over. Game, set and match. The Brady debate was decided today. 4. But this falls on coach Self, not Brady. Brady played as hard as he could. Coach Self made the wrong choice. 5. Did anyone notice in the last two minutes, no one wanted to shoot the three ... not Brady, not Reed (I'm sure Taylor "wanted" to, but his prior airball cemented that decision). Scared to shoot. I was screaming for the guy not scared to shoot. Selby. But guess what Self did? He subbed Selby in to foul on defense, then subbed him out. And who else can shoot threes .. right, Elijah Johnson. No where to be seen. Horrible coaching. Horrific. Worse than that. 6. Hey, but all you guys that love conference titles and #1 seeds are happy, I'm sure. 7. And you girls, both figuratively and literally, who will get on here and say we had a great season simply do not live on my planet. I'd rather you go take off your skirt and drown yourself in your bathtub, to be honest. 8. Coach Self has once again choked away another terrific team. It is really hard to believe that since Roy left we've been to exactly one final four. One. Comprehend that. Butler has been to more. Roy has won two national titles in that time frame, three final fours. And for those who may forget, we were a last second three pointer against Davidson of that being zero. 9. I'm sure this will bring out the coach Self is God defenders. Newsflash .. he ain't God. But I am off that bandwagon for good. He might get me back on with a national title .. might. Easy way to suck the life out of a fiercly loyal fan. 10. And by the way, I'm never a big ref complainer .. but how coincidental was it that when we made our run, got it to like 4, we get three quick foul calls including the blocking call on Kieff that was a clear charge (lowering of the shoulder), and the phantom call vs. Marcus on the 3. The officiating was the kind that was done to keep the game within the spread. Everyone thinks these refs are completely objective .. but how much money do you think one could make betting on VCU +11? I don't trust anyone when it comes to money.

Who cares.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Question #1 Roy won how many championships at KU?

2 & #3 How exactly did you contribute anything to the Jayhawk's season this year? And what planet are you from where you can't appreciate a program being one of the best in the nation year after year?

4 Why do you think anyone cares whether you are on the bandwagon or not?

5 Are you wearing anything under that whiney a$$ skirt of yours?

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't wear a skirt, little girl.

I certainly don't blindly cheer and root for my team.

I can't blindly appreciate a top program that gets to the final four once in 8 seasons.

It is about championships. Unless you are .. well .. you know.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Keep pissing in your beer honey. Sooner or later you'll start liking the taste. Bitter, bitter, bitter! Ha, ha, ha!

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Wrong again Sonny. Boy, you just can't get nothing right can you?

You might want to drop the Elite, or change it to Ego! It seems you're on a Major High and think the world just exists to screw up your life! So sad!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

No, my observation was that you sounded like a woman. Women talk like that, not men.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Then you do a really poor job of stating your observations.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

Off the bandwagon, hm? Okay. Have fun rooting for another team, HEM. Let me know how many conference championships in a row they win.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Bandwagon and rooting are two different things.

Seriously, who gives a crap about conference championships right now? We are 68--5 in the past two seasons and what do we have to show for it? No final fours, nothing. Disappointment. Losses to inferior teams.

I really hope you enjoy looking at the conference title banners because they mean nothing.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

I do enjoy looking at them, actually. I think they're extremely impressive and exceptionally pretty. I like to compare them to other teams' and laugh about how many more we have.

Two national championships in a row? People go nuts. Seven conference titles in a row? No one bats an eye. And yet you have to win a whole lot more games to get that second one. Maybe not in a row, but it still has to happen.

And that's the media bein' ridiculous.

Did you honestly think this team would lose Sherron, Cole, and X -- and we'd still go 35-3, win the conference, the tourney, and make it to the Elite Eight? This team overachieved. It only hurts this much because this team played so dang hard that they got us to believe this is what we were supposed to do this year.

I get that you're upset, HEM. I'm upset too. But me? I prefer to see the glass as the winningest one out of any college basketball program in the last five years.

I'm not disappointed because we're not going to the F4. I'm disappointed because I don't get to watch the team play any more.

And if that means I need to take off my skirt and drown in my own bathtub (very rude, btw, and sexist too - there ARE hardcore female KU fans out there, you know, who take losses just as hard as you menfolk do), then fine.

I'm still gonna be at Late Night next year, screaming my head off for whoever's on my team.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

The skirt comment was meant to be rude. What a comment like that means is to be insulting to a man. Calling a man a "woman" is insulting because it implies he lacks toughness, much like most women.

A woman shouldn't be insulted because a woman is, well, a woman.

PYHAWK 9 years, 8 months ago

I totally agree. I think that we overachieved this year. At the beginning of the season we didn't even we suppose to win the B12.

Then again, we didn't have that great guard play... as we saw today. Hopefully next year we get newer and better players.... still an open question.

The only sad part is that we lost to a lesser team. Also we felt that we had a good shot at the championship after all the other no. 1 fell.

leenyong 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. Last year, when I commented "We failed ..", it drew some criticism from some people on this site. Some even suggested I was not real, or I was not a true fan just because I didn't contribute regularly on this site. Coaching is the key in tournament time. Players will play the the way they have been playing all yr long. It is up to the coach to identify the other team's strengths/weaknesses, and be able to make quick adjustment. Last but not least, coach is responsible for keeping the players motivated. VCU has lot more motivation (thanks to Jay Bilas) right from Round #1, and it just keeps snow-balling since. Why had we been losing to teams that we should have beaten ? We have to learn from our mistakes/failures. To do that, we must first question, analyze, and found out what went wrong, and then how to correct it.

FTUCH3432 9 years, 8 months ago

Is there any use in looking into Self's decision (I'm assuming) to have Tyrel and Brady represent the student-athletes at the post-game press conference? Any insight into what that might mean about the return of Marcus and Markieff, or is Self just giving Tyrel and Brady their much deserved last hurrah?

that_guy 9 years, 8 months ago

i'll be surprised if we can scrape together 5 wins

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

My thoughts exactly. He had all year to get other players ready and refused to do it so he could play his lawrence neighbor. Why do you bring in star athletes and sit them on the bench? Only coach in american that doesn't play his best players. How could you expect selby or anyone else to develop sitting on the bench?

KUlancer 9 years, 8 months ago

Many of you people on this thread disgust me. You simply cannot, and should not, consider yourselves KU fans. Yeah, we lost a game we should have won. But these callouts on Brady, Tyrel and HCBS - two seniors and a stud coach who have served us so wonderfully this year - are revolting. Stop giving KU fans a bad name. You all are spoiled, sore losers.

This is a heartbreaking loss that will sting for some time. But think before you write some of this disgraceful garbage.

Thanks to the seniors and to the coaching staff, who did a hell of a job until today. Rock chalk.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

The people tha are blaming HCBS are trolls.

Jan Rolls 9 years, 8 months ago

Look at the box score. 2 pts and 4 fouls. Great game.

wllmsmth1 9 years, 8 months ago

2 for 21 from 3pt range. barley 50% from the line. I admire the comeback but we got outplayed when it counted the most. This wasn't a choke by KU. The shots just didn't fall when we needed it the most. I hate mentioning it but there was a lot of contact in the post against our bigs while VCU got a bunch of touch fouls in todays game. Regardless i am devastated.

utahjayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

yea, I'd like to review all fouls because I felt we got jobbed on ticky tack first half, BUT give VCU credit, they were better today.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

All the haters don't care what kind of season KU has. If it's less than the National Championship then they feel screwed 'cause they can't brag about what great fans they are and how their team is the greatest ever.

I'll bet 99.9% of them couldn't make 2 freethrows out of 20 in a half full gym, let alone with half the world watching.

They think they wanted the win half a bad as the players did? The only pressure these fans feel is when the line to the restroom gets too long.

Thanks KU players & coaches. I wish I could watch this exact same team again next year. I wouldn't miss a game, and they might not get as far as they did this year.

People seem to forget that the reason we end up playing a high seed this late in the tourney is because they got by some pretty damn good teams.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

That, and a quarter, might get you a cup of coffee .. obviously you have no concept of competition. You're right, Boston U, Illinois, and Richmond were some "pretty damn good teams." Nice point.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

And you would have put 11 seed VCU right in with them if we had beaten them and then lost to Butler.

Obviously you have no concept of tournament play as you've always let someone else play the games for you.

Also I was taking about VCU beating some pretty good teams such as Georgetown and Purdue, not about who KU played. Reading is great, but comprehension takes a little effort.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

You're a pathetic apologist that obviously has no expectation of success .. you have to expect success to achieve it. You accept failure.

I'm sure that defines your life.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

At least I don't need to achieve my success on the backs of others.

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

guess I'm in the .001 percentile then :P woohooo

was at the gym last night until 12:30am and ended it with about 14 FTs in a row before I left, after playing 4 games.

Jay_lo 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow sounds good. I'd like to see that. How many TV cameras were on you? Did you say after playing the games and not during. Just trying to make the comparison.

yourworstnightmare 9 years, 8 months ago

I read somewhere that VCU's entire basketball budget is less than Self's salary, and that KU's budget was greater than those of the other three regional sweet 16 finalists combined.

You still have to make shots, I guess, and KU was not good today from the line of behind the arc.

TwistedFish31 9 years, 8 months ago

There are some really ignorant posters on the live thread. Thought we Jayhawk fans had a had a Higher Basketball IQ? For those of you out there crying about the Jayhawks "choking again"...every single team, except for the eventual National Champion could say the same thing. This KU team was not thought of as a Top 5 team at the beginning of the season, they werent even supposed to win the Big XII, for the 7th straight year. So give the kids a break and give the rest of us a break too. Bill Self loses more basketball knowledge when he takes a leak than you'll have your entire life.

RCJHGKU!!

ParisHawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Before I go into withdrawal, I just want to thank the team for a very good season that was close to being great. Coach Self is the best regular-season coach out there, even though he hasn't matched that consistent success in the postseason.

Tom McPhillips 9 years, 8 months ago

Better luck next year guys...

I dont like to give advise but if I did I would instruct them to stop looking at front of the other guys jersey or listening to all the bulls**t hype about themselves, and concentrate on bringing their "A" game every time, period!!

For us long time fans, this is just another disappointment. What really pisses some of us off so bad is the fact that Kansas teams have to keep learning the same lesson over and over and over again..... Its getting old.

Look at how the 2008 team did it.... They just went and played the game!!

ecvosky5 9 years, 8 months ago

Once again we all meet back here and talk crap on OUR team the KANSAS JAYHAWKS!! Quit with the negativity and support your team even through the rough times. Life goes on and the Kansas Jayhawks will be back, just like they are year after year. Good job to EVERYONE that is a part of that team and thank you for yet another year of fun and excitement. You can count on this LOYAL fan being there again next year supporting you. Thanks again!!! NEXT YEAR BABY!!!!

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

You guys should take a few weeks off from this site, enjoy watching the game for what it is. Young college student athletes playing their hearts out for their team. I guarantee no person on this Blog could stay on the court with any of KU's players, yet everyone on here seems 2 have all the answers and quickly flip flops from loving a player one week to saying they were the reason KU lost.

I used to get on this Blog for every game, then I started to realize that even when we won, I was kind of pissed off and was not enjoying the game. I decided to take a break from this site over the past month.. and let me tell ya.. I now know why. I love watching KU play their hearts out, and true.. today, they really stunk it up, but they played hard.

None of these kids deserve to take the kind of hate and criticism that this blog generates.. just unacceptable from true KU fans. Just my opinion which is just that, one opinion. Have a great time being miserable on this site.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

+1 little harsh, but I will be at the Fieldhouse because I LOVE that I have something I care for so much. If you want to be angry, go after the ticket scandal felons who robbed people. The guys are GREAT!

sloppyscience 9 years, 8 months ago

Absolutely perfect post. I don't think the criticism even bothers me as much as the number of posters who have to offer their constant 'analysis', followed by the other regulars giving that poster a healthy back-patting. I'd find it hilarious if it wasn't pathetic.

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

VCU played pretty well, but it would be more accurate to say that almost anybody would have beat KU today because of their atrocious shooting.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

You blame a coach when he is playing the wrong personnel to begin with (Brady over Releford). You blame a coach who tightens his rotation so tight that a guy who played great basketball for multiple games gets but a few minutes (EJ). You blame a coach when three point threats stay on the bench even though others are failing (EJ and Selby). You blame a coach who preaches defense but fails to realize that against a hot shooting team, you have to have an offensive answer. You blame a coach when the team isn't switching screens the whole first half. You blame a coach when your 3 point guys .. Brady and Reed are scared to shoot and you leave them in. You blame a coach when you don't sub in guys with fresh legs who aren't scared. You blame a coach when your team is unprepared for the press. You blame a coach when you don't anticipate the other coach's adjustments (for example, to our post entry passes). You blame a coach when a team goes near 50% from the free throw line. You blame a coach when your team is "tight" like they were vs. Boston, and today. You blame a coach when he has two number one seeds .. both in the top 2 overall, and he can't even reach the final four. You blame a coach when he has two number one seeds .. both in the top 2, and you lose each season to inferior teams.

Just some brief observations.

Jabberhawky 9 years, 8 months ago

You blame a coach when the coach doesn't do what "High Elite Major" thinks the coach should do.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

Only when I am ultimately proven correct.

Tell me what on my list is not the coach's fault.

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

Great assessment but i've been saying that all season. BILL SELF is a guard killer. He hurt Sean Sutton when he played with him and how in the heck he would have that 1950's Henry Iba offense when he played for a run and gun Eddie "Kansas Bred" Sutton? Xavier Henry played tenative as the the rest of the guards. His whole motivation was to win it with Reed and Brady period. Two role players at best and junk that high-low crap.

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Dude, he had less than 24 hours to prepare for the hottest team in the tourney. I disagreed with his defense throughout the game but overall his plan was good enough to win the game. Execution lacked and we couldn't hit a shot to save ourselves. You need to breathe...

rmt99e 9 years, 8 months ago

What an awesome game. VCU vs Butler as a final four game? Who picked that one.

tunahelper 9 years, 8 months ago

Bucknell Bradley Northern Iowa Virginia Commonwealth!

I LOVE IT!!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Never made the final 4! Love that Troll?

tunahelper 9 years, 8 months ago

wah, wah, wah. rock puke chicken hawk!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Tunahelper- I'm sorry for dissing your school for never making the final 4. I know that it must suck not having a team to get behind and root for, so I guess all you can do is come to our board and spew your pathetic comments.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

We need to shut up and take our medicine. Tunahelper is only pointing out the truth.

Alan Mills 9 years, 8 months ago

Let's not mistake criticism for a lack of support. I love the Jayhawks...have my entire life. I remember sitting in the rafters to watch KU beat a great Kentucky team when I was about 10. This board is not a place to express my love for KU. I wouldn't be here if I didn't love KU. In fact, everyone taking the time to post or read here loves KU...of that, I have no doubt.

That said, this is a poor loss. And, you cannot love the NCAA tournament if you are not willing to admit that tourney result matter. Great that KU won the league. But, I never had a doubt. Fran Fraschilla got it right back in November when everyone was talking about K-State and Texas. He said the Big 12 title "goes through Lawrence". And, it did. KU was the class of the league.

Still, this has become the KU mantra under HCBS: losing in the tournament to a lesser team which wants to win more than KU does. VCU wanted it more. They believed they COULD win. KU believe they WOULD win. There is a big difference. In 2008 we had players who believed they COULD win. The last two years, we've put our hopes on the shoulders of guys who thought they deserved to win because it says KANSAS on their jersey.

One last note. We don't have a team a thugs. We have a team of wanta-be thugs. Are you watching Kentucky right now? Thugs who know they are thugs. But, they play hard all the time.

drbloom 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't think we know what the kids thought. It is just as presumptuous as saying the officials were paid to be that horrific. It happened. It's perfectly obvious that the guys knew if they lost they were done. They put up 61 points which wins a lot of Big Ten games. It sucks. But you KNOW they care, so don't demean their efforts.

We lose to lesser teams because we are the best. Every team that played at KU lost for 69 straight games. That is AMAZING! We lost 3 NBA calibur players last year. We have a Lawrence High kid who played his heart out for 5 years. There is 99% reason to feel good. Let the good in, and one bummer game will be not such a big deal.

Alan Mills 9 years, 8 months ago

It's not about effort. I've seen few players who play as hard as Reed, Morningstar, Robinson, or even the Morris twins. The effort is always there. It's about mental toughness. When you are not hitting the 3 but you are dominating the paint, you stick with the paint. We got back in the game in the 2nd half without the 3. Then, we return to the 3 and didn't make any in the 2nd half!

Sad to hear those who think Self is a poor coach. He was outcoached today, but he's still the one we want. He puts it on the players to play...love that. But, sometimes, you have to put a little fear in the players. Especially when, as I am want to believe, the players are not mentally tough.

MikeMurrell 9 years, 8 months ago

I don't post often, but I do get a kick out of some of the posters. It is true when KU loses, all the haters come out. However out of that there is some truth. But for today, nothing went well for KU and VCU played nearly perfect which they had to. There is nothing wrong with Brady or Tyrel. They are good role players and every team needs those players and they played their role well all year long. Today, not so much. But that is how sports go.

The one puzzling point that needs to be figured out is why does KU lose to teams they shouldn't on a fairly consistent basis in big games. I think Self is one of the best coaches in the country and I probably would not want to trade him for anyone, however what (if anythng) is he or his staff doing to not have the team ready. It is true they can't play, shoot, rebound, pass, etc for them, but he should have they prepared. I wish I knew what it was.

For next year, the expectations will be down. But like this year, I bet KU has another very good year. An remember, do you want to be a KU rooter year after year or would you prefer to root for a year that makes the tournament and a pretty good run only once in a lifetime.

fareasthawk 9 years, 8 months ago

It was one of those nights. 9 times out of 10 we kill them. A game like this is going to happen when the other team shots lights out and we go 2 for 22 from 3. You can't fault one player. Everyone missed free throws and 3s. Once again, I can't really say they beat us as much as we lost the game. It's been that way with all our loses. I haven't been the biggest Taylor fan all year, but he turned it on at the end of the year when we needed him most. He WAS the point guard we needed and more than did his part to help win this game. I'd welcome him back. He just needs to be as consistent as he was through the tourney.
It's amazing to me all the comments about the character of the team. We ask them to be tough and then call them 'thugs' when they are. They're not thugs... they're college kids that can make questionable decisions at times. I'm sure there's things we could question about your character if you were in the spotlight all the time. I'd love to see everyone come back next year. Losing these seniors is going to have a huge impact. Reed, Mstar, Little did so much. Someone always steps up, but those are big shoes to fill. The Morii are ready to make the jump to the next level and it will be interesting to see if they will. Sure seems like it would be a mistake for Selby and Robinson to leave now... they can be so much better. It'll be exciting no matter who we have and I'll be right there to cheer them on. Overall, excellent season. I thought we had a legit chance to win it all this year. This loss stings, but it hurts way less than a first weekend exit. Good job, Hawks.

irvan moore 9 years, 8 months ago

basketball gods not with us today, we will be in their favor again. KU is basketball, has been, will continue to be. coach Self is great, not a lot of other teams made it this far, can't win 'em all. i'm still a Morningstar and Reed fan, we wouldnt have been there without them.

susiejhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm a Jayhawk fan today, tomorrow and next year! I'm proud of your accomplishments and thanks for a great year!

RockCaCO3 9 years, 8 months ago

Rock Chalk to that.

Get 'em next year boys.

hankdog 9 years, 8 months ago

35-3, Big-12 Champs, Big 12 Tournament Champs. Great season. Thanks to all the players and coaches, you are the greatest in my mind. We beat VCU 9 out 10 games. Today wasn't our day, period. Go Hawks!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed +1

But VCU? Really did that just happen again? Glenlivet not making the pain go away!

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

"Great" season? What planet are you on?

"Great" season is 2008.

You're right, the team was the "greatest in (your) mind."

68-5 in two seasons, and we lose to UNI and VCU. Great, great seasons, no doubt.

But you gotta love those conference title banners, don't ya? Impressive.

Shelbiluvshawks 9 years, 8 months ago

Did it ever occur to anyone that we just couldn't make our shots? What about the TERIBBLE calls? Anyone could see that we went out there in the first half playing like, well not playing at all. But we came out, played our butts off, and still got beat. Nothing would fall for us. Everything was falling for VCU. Nothing left to do but move on, and hope and pray that we can get the M. and Mk. Morris come back.

Luke Smith 9 years, 8 months ago

Bill Self is the worst coach ever in the history of basketball.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

I luv trolls. Please if you want to stir anything up at least place blame on the right people like our shooters. Trust me Bill if suited up would have shot better this game than Reed and Morningstar. So at least if your are going to troll like a little female dog you can at least get it right.

RockinChalkin1984 9 years, 8 months ago

Good year, great memories, enjoyed the ride! Rock Chalk Jayhawk! Can't wait til late night in the Phog!

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed cant wait because BM will not be in the house and if he is I say we all throw his A out.

GTheWinner 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe Next Year Kansas. Dam I hate that 3 point shot...All N E body does these days is chuck up that damn 3. It helps to equalize the most mediocre talent match up with the best talent in the country. Go back to the OLD SCHOOL...you know...every shot is two unless its an AND-1. Start making those behind the head, 6'9 - 7 footers, through the legs, then off the wall, falling down chukkin mofoz actually start playin some ball.

FLJHK 9 years, 8 months ago

It’s tough being a KU hoops fan. ALL teams know the heartbreak of tough losses, but clearly we’ve seen far more than our share. Just like some of the more infamous ones, we will be reminded of this one for years to come.

The truth is we choked. It’s happened before, it will happen again. And it will hurt. And we will win it all again, and the euphoria will be somehow bigger and more meaningful than anywhere else. 1988 and 2008 aren’t just two of my favorite sporting moments, they are two of the happiest occasions of my life. They were made all the more sweet because of the painful losses we have experienced. It’s part of the Kansas DNA.

We all put a tremendous amount of pressure on 19 and 20 year old kids, then we complain when they don’t perform to our standards. That’s unfair, and it’s utter nonsense.

We didn’t lose our homes or loved ones in an earthquake or tsunami today, we lost a college basketball game. And as badly as we hurt, the kids in the KU locker room are hurting a lot more.

I thank every member of this team for a wonderful season with many great memories and accomplishments. I thank Coach Self and Coach Manning and the rest of the staff. You are all simply the best, and will handle this loss with total class. I feel lucky beyond measure to have you at KU.

We’ll be back in the mix next year. RCJH!

Ethan Berger 9 years, 8 months ago

Can someone explain to me how Self got outcoaced? We missed about 15 wide open threes. The gameplan was actually ran well except we missed the shots. We got to the free throw line more, and we missed those. To say he should have took out our starters and play our bench. But wasnt it when he took them out to rest, the back ups gave the lead up again? Can we please stop comparing VCU to Bucknell, Bradley and UNI,I mean VCU is now going to the final four. How are they bad? Heck we even held them to 39 percent shooting. This in no way or no how is on Self. Players just missed, i honestly think the refs rattled our players when we would get hacked and a no call but then we looked at them and we got called for a fall. We got the game to one point, then three strait bad calls is where momentum switched. That was a 7 point swing. Went from 1 to 8. Congrats to VCU, no shame in losing in the Elite 8. Awful shooting, it happens.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 8 months ago

sorry for the spelling, just not in the mood to edit

Andrew Bary 9 years, 8 months ago

Frees and Threes guys, that's what this game came down to. Overall D was fairly strong, we haven't been a strong 3 point defending team all year, but VCU was having a dream day from beyond the arc. Had we shot even a little better from 3, we would have OT or a win on our hands. Free throws should have kept us tight the whole game.

It seems like in the puzzle for what it takes to win, a severe lack in one area can be made up in a few others. A severe lack in 2 areas, both of which are crucial point moments, is almost impossible to overcome. Let's remember that we lost 3 NBA players last year and still made the Elite 8 and were a big favorite to win the tournament.
For those haters out there: go cheer for another team. We'll see if they make the tournament next year. Because Kansas will be there AGAIN.

Sagecasey 9 years, 8 months ago

Congratulation to the Jayhawks and to VCU! We looked great very early, but from that point on we were out coached and out played. The word "tight" became part of our vocabulary again. Yet, a great season, 7 straight Big 12 titles and an Elite 8. Good luck next year Hawks!!!

Luke Smith 9 years, 8 months ago

Okay, I was being facetious. I just wanted to see what it was like to be one of the crazy posters for a few minutes.

Fact is, even while I am in the doldrums, there is no one I would rather be than a Jayhawk. I can't think of one school still in or currently out of the tournament I would rather be.

Great year, look forward to next!

kolliflowerkid 9 years, 8 months ago

This is unfair!!! Two years in a row U of Kansas must meet powerhouses!! Northern Iowa (do they play basketball iun IOWA?) and VCU. The J Hogs should have been named National Champs after beating Boston U., Illinois, and Richmond. What a tough schedule. Well, there is always next year. Maybe next year you will get to play in the N.I.T where the competition ain't so tough and you guys can stand a chance. Great season though of beating up on nobody's.

kolliflowerkid 9 years, 8 months ago

Wow, you did a great job of picking the final four!!! If I am a weedhead then marijuana is the truth serum, because that it what I posted, the truth. Championships are won on the court not on the blogs. Championships are won by putting the ball through the hoop, not by flapping your lips. KU got what they deserved.

Brian Conrad 9 years, 8 months ago

he was KSU fan already home watching because his team always out.. KSU will not even make NIT next year.... those cow cuddlers in hogcaller heaven today.. bad day for us but could be worse .. we could be a cowcuddler or Missery fan..

KU03MN 9 years, 8 months ago

That one really hurt! I have been coming to kusports.com for years now and have always enjoyed just reading the comments. I, like many of you are at a total loss. What just happened, for the majority of America, was what makes March Madness such a big draw and such an incredible event. For those of us that went to KU, or are fans it is yet another knife in our hearts. HOW does this seem to happen time and time again? How many talented teams can we have fall short in the tourney?! How, can a team with our talent, staff, and resources fall to a VCU or ----- (insert name of any other MM that we've lost to in the tourney)? I love this years team, and I fully trust in how Bill draws up his Xs and Os. We have had an interesting year in events. Some sad, some frustrating, but overall I think we all had a pretty good time watching this team play and witnessing Bill and staff groom these young men that we cheer for night in and night out. We didn't go as far as we should have...and that totally sucks, but I am still incredibly proud of our team, and the University of Kansas. 35-2...That is an incredible record. I'm sad that our seniors had to go out like that, but it's hard to beat a team shooting like VCU did tonight. That's about all I have to say. Now here I sit in my Mc Morris jersey (no sleeves) watching Housewives of Orange County in the cold north of Minnesota. Ohh depression! I will always be proud of KU and I look forward to another great season next year! We lost this game, but we will ALWAYS be Jayhawks!

Congrats to VCU and their fans. They came to play and they deserved this win. Best of luck in the tourney.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk GO KU!

selfgotoutcoached 9 years, 8 months ago

How does it feel to root for a team that constantly lets you down. One again Self choked in the big game. I bet you all wish he had gone to OK State a few years ago. Getting out coached by a 30 something upstart who was a no name before last year must hurt. I hope it is a long ride back to Lawrence.
I am sure you all will be picked to win the toruney again next year and will once again choke. Amazing and what a joke your team is. Keep gong VCU and continue to make the CAA proud. By the way the CAA appears to be a lot better conference than the Big loser 12.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

We must be doing something right for you to come on here.

jocohawk 9 years, 8 months ago

thanks for the insight now go away little tu*d

selfgotoutcoached 9 years, 8 months ago

How does it feel to root for a team that constantly lets you down. One again Self choked in the big game. I bet you all wish he had gone to OK State a few years ago. Getting out coached by a 30 something upstart who was a no name before last year must hurt. I hope it is a long ride back to Lawrence.
I am sure you all will be picked to win the toruney again next year and will once again choke. Amazing and what a joke your team is. Keep gong VCU and continue to make the CAA proud. By the way the CAA appears to be a lot better conference than the Big loser 12.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

And how many games and conference championships did your team win this year?

just_another_bozo_on_this_bus 9 years, 8 months ago

Chill dude, you won. You should enjoy it.

But I doubt that you enjoy much of anything.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

During the press conference BM took absolutley no responsibility for the shooting today. 2 for freaking 21. I mean come on. I would give you at least a little rspect if you would step up to the plate and accept some responsibility. I am not asking for all of the responsibility but at least some Reed can take the other share. I say we retire BM number so we never have to see that out on the court ever again.

bossman1962 9 years, 8 months ago

Tyrel Reed, Brady Morningstar and Mario Little- Thank you for everything you have done at KU. It is a tough way for it to end, but remember, you left that floor and gave it all. I am proud of all of you and the leadership you provided. We as KU fans are spoiled and we take losses hard. Byt i guarantee these losses are twice as hard for you guys. I know you all will be successful and look forward to seeing you coming back for visits. God Bless all of you and thank you for all the wonderful memories. Hold your heads up high as that is where they belong.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 8 months ago

Lose, and all the trolls and haters head back to the garage apartment behind their parent's house and get the hate rolling. Once again, Brady didn't deserve playing time, Tyrel can't shoot, free throws are the key, and Self can't coach. Get on any team's website, predict failure, and eventually you'll be right. I know this is Kansas and we expect a winner. I just hope, after today's agonizing subsides, we can appreciate a great season and the player's effort in adversity. Yes, they had a miserable shooting day and free throw shooting has been a consistent problem. Today's disappointing loss does not define a team, or a program, and certainly doesn't negate an entire season. If you love KU basketball, hurting today is inevitable. Agony is your choice if a NC is the only acceptable end to a season.

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

You make me proud to be a real Jayhawk fan. If I ever meet you, I've got a beer for you, friend.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm going to try to find some joy pounding on my 70s Ludwig Stainless set.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm going to try to find some joy on my 70s Ludwig Stainless set.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

You, like many, miss the point.

A national championship is the only acceptable end to a season when you're a number one seed .. number one overall in 2010, and number two overall this season.

We have piddled away two combined seasons of 68-5. Winning a title is very hard, so when it is right there for the taking, and some of the things that were predictable Achilles' heels cause the demise, I look to the coach.

It is the only acceptable end when you face an 11 seed, and would see an 8 seed in the final four.

If we're a 5 seed, a different "acceptance" of the end would be in order.

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

If you were the manager of the Yankees and walked into Steinbrenner's office and said such things after not winning the WS, he would've canned you in a New York minute. Steinbrenner's attitude kept the Yankees on top. Your attitude leads to mediocrity.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 8 months ago

KU isn't a pro team and can't buy up the available talent to ensure dominance. We're in Lawrence, not Lexington.

RAMdownURthroat 9 years, 8 months ago

Players crying is one thing, but fans literally crying is another.

Wtf is wrong with you people? I've never even been close to crying after a Mizzou game. Yes, I can get a little mad, but adults tearing up is sickening. That just shows you how much you idiots live vicariously through 5 college kids on a hardwood floor. It's the only thing in your crappy state that you can try to be proud of... It's South Dakota with a good college b-ball program.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years, 8 months ago

What a courageous post. Your season ended last week. Your coach takes his 40 minutes of mediocrity further South in the Ozarks. And you have to join another team's blog to try to find some joy in your pathetic existence. Thanks. You made me feel much better about my life.

jocohawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for taking the time to post, now go back to your cooking meth.

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

SELF shows favortism and has designated green light for certain players. EJ and Releford are the real deal but they didn't have the green light. Plus they are great dribble-drivers but they were relegated to role playing.

All of the teams that are or will be in the final 4 has guards that drive inside and dish. SELF got that whip it around and hope to make a 3. Shooting 3's are like a dice game. Its all about the lost art of the mid-range game 7-12 or 11-14.

All of you need to recall that Selby has out played Brandon Knight of Kentucky in High school. HCBS is a guard killer and a none developer. Danny is the the only one teaching. You don't find out who your best players are until the plays don't work. You can scheme you way out of a win.

Brian Powell 9 years, 8 months ago

this is actually a very key point that many of us have been saying all year. I'd rather have Self than Calipari,, but MAN do I wish he would give EJ and Selby more of a driving role in the offense. We don't need five guys spotting up for a 3!

SaulGood 9 years, 8 months ago

It's a snowy day in Lawrence.

I've officially grown tired of dignifying ridiculous comments about chokes, flops, and the like. 75% of the people making these comments are people who didn't bother following the team until now, and the other 25%, we've known for a while.

As to the game, there's nothing anyone can do when a team like VCU shows up in the first half, and starts shooting the lights out, except make the adjustment. Anyone got a line on how many VCU made, or even attempted, in the second half by comparison? My eyes saw us make the adjustment.

Credit goes to VCU for weathering the best we could throw at them. And sometimes, the best you can throw at them is not enough. I told my wife before the game "You have to do things right to win a game. But sometimes it's possible for the other team to do things right even better than you, and the team that does that is going to beat you."

No doubt, we should have "made the adjustment" during the first five minutes of the game. A lot of that duty should have fallen to the Morris twins, who could have done a lot more to keep Skeen out of the game in the first half.

I think of tournament games like a lot of UFC fights I've watched. I've seen some heavyweight trucks go barreling toward a smaller opponent, and yet it only takes a well-placed punch to send the truck off the road. It only takes one punch, and VCU has had it loaded for more teams than KU.

I'm saddened by the loss, and I am not looking forward to watching the draft cannibalize our talent. But I've been in this state watching KU basketball for almost 30 years now. Coaches have changed, and certainly players have changed, and year after year, this state continues to be able to sport the Jayhawk as a source of its nationwide identity.

Thank you, Coach Self, and our amazing team this year, for some amazing basketball. Some games you played like kids and had fun; some you played like kids and got beat. Some you gutted up and played like men, and you won more than just a game. One game, your heart was broken due to infinite tragedy, and the next - you came out and showed us what character is. There may be a number of people who are content to try to sound cool by calling you guys choke artists or losers, but I plan to stand by you next season whether you win or not. The season after that - I'll still be there for you, believing in the best you can be. I'll have my opinions, but no matter what, it's real d@mn good to be a Jayhawk, and I always will be. Rock. Chalk.

See you next season.

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 8 months ago

+Lots

Always enjoy your posts, SG. There's a bought beer waiting in your name somewhere in Lawrence.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

Dude, did you watch the game? Reed choked bigger than any player I've ever seen by a KU player in this tourney, and I've been watching for over 25 years. He blew it at so many crucial times during the game, and was so rattled he even airballed a two-pointer late in the game.

You're being too nice by not calling it what it is.

Funhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Well, before the season started, nobody outside of KU thought we would go this far. And, nobody outside of VCU thought they would go this far, especially after the ESPN staff slammed the tournament committee for selecting VCU as an at-large team. Regardless, our guys gave us another fun, exciting year. Our Hawks are the best! We will see Shaka next year, and over and over every year thereafter. Mizzou's fast paced brand of basketball will continue with Shaka as their coach..........you watch. Mizzou wants the coach who beat KU.

P.S. Thanks, too, to the LJW sports staff for a lot of fun articles. This website is the best for us Hawk addicts who need our daily fix. Matt Tait is fun.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

T-Rob is gone. After seeing the anonymous tip, then him saying he would do what was best for him and his family.. If the twins bounce too, it's not going to be so fun. We have no bigs left outside of Withey, who is going to be good, but he's too slow to be a huge impact player.

betred 9 years, 8 months ago

Self just needed to play tighter defense, and go inside on offense, when you can't make three's you don't coach them to keep shooting them you have to set up plays on the inside. He just looks bad when he gets beat by teams like UNI etc. He has to be able to change his game plan.

Alan Mills 9 years, 8 months ago

Watching Kentucky-North Carolina now. Good game. Wish KU was going to have a chance to play one of these teams. I think what is most disappointing today is that KU, once again, loses to a team it should beat. It's so disappointing to say, once again, KU would beat (insert team - VCU this year) 9 out of 10 times. When it matters, in the tourney, it should be one of the 9! How do you get kids to understand that these games really matter more than any others?

Someone explain why Kansas cannot bring in shooters like these other teams have? It's not just VCU - many of their shots in the first half were unguarded. Watching these other teams...they all have kids who can really shot it. Xavier couldn't. Selby hasn't. Morningstar has had games where he is red hot. But, Reed really hasn't...not this year. He's hurt. Maybe that is the problem with his shooting. You'd think Kansas could recruit some of these fantastic shooters. Just wondering aloud...and wishing.

kolliflowerkid 9 years, 8 months ago

This why we need a collegiate football tourney. It can de done, Division II & Division III football has a playoff system with about 20 teams involved. But its about money and our precious bowls (the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl?).

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

tough tough day to be a jayhawk!!!! i thot we were final four bound and absolutely nothing went right for us today. i had said that nothing but a bad shooting day and tons of 3s for VCU could beat us and that's exactly what happened. i was shocked and SICK...... i thought it was our year to win!!! on paper it looked inevitable...... looked like an easy ride and a walk in the park to the championship game. shows you why we play i guess. we couldn't hit anything at all and vcu shot lights out to bury us too deeply in the first half. i was LIVID with the refs...... i thought there were multiple calls that KILLED us and then left us in foul trouble. did they make a difference? definitely!! did they lose the game for us? no...... we lost it ourselves by missing WAY too many 3s and free throws. wow.... those stats were unbelievable today........ we make just a few more of either and it's a whole new game. did self have in the right players at the end?? maybe not but no one had the hot hand today. i give tyshawn tons of credit in the tournament..... i thought he did a great job and would have done better today had he not got in foul trouble in the first half. he led the great comeback but then the refs killed us with 3rd fouls on marcus and markieff!! a sad sad day...... i absolutely HATED it...... i thought we were in great shape when we pulled within 2 but foul trouble and poor shooting came back and haunted us again. wow...... friday nite brady and trob led the way and today they have 2 points total and hardly did anything. anyway....... i am extremely disappointed in the day and woujld love to play again tomorrow..... think we would be going to the final four as we all had planned. but one bad game and the dream is over.... the season is over, the year is over. was the year better than expected??? definitely and it WAS a great year but it stings so badly right now, it's hard to see that. i'm one of the biggest jayhawk fans in the world and will always LOVEMYHAWKS but i wasn't ready for an ending lilke this.

chowfy96 9 years, 8 months ago

You're an idiot, go back to your cheetos.

Gary Hawke 9 years, 8 months ago

OK, when KU looses, it's an upset. When they win, they were supposed to. I like our program and have been a proud Jayhawk for about 15 yrs.
However, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SHOTS TO WIN. When you can't shoot from outside, can't hit a free throw and can't stop the other team from firing 3's, you loose. So... Why do we spend an entire 1/2 allowing a team to just come down, pass twice around the horn, then shoot a 3? VCU had nobody who could drive, and no inside game, yet we did not pick up their 3 guards outside the 3 line and dare them to do anything else! I can't remember one time their outside guys faked a 3 and rove around us.

Why, oh why, does Coach allow Selby to play like a high school star when he has shown -0- this year. He shoots bad shots, tries to drive when he can't, doesn't play good defense and almost never gets a rebound!

Why didn't Coach call a timeout at about the 14:00 mark and say," quite playing like pu**ys, if you can't slow down and run the offense, rather than taking quick shots from outside, and can't step out to pick up your man at about 22feet, you're out of the game!...and we're now going to a full court press"! "I want to see 100% effort every second. I'll send in fresh guys ever 2:00, go out and kick some ass". If you just allow the team to go off-task, you loose.

I do now live in Virginia, so maybe I should be a Ram follower? No, I'm still a Hawk fan.

mispay4ku 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm not sure who is more annoying today...K-State, Mizzou or negative KU fans. Today was disappointing, a heartbreaker...but good lord, stand by your team! Anyone ever read "Bill Self: In the Phog" ....maybe you should. His kids catch hell for these types of losses, unreal. AND from KU fans. Not cool. I'm proud of our guys, proud of our Coach and staff. Many reasons to smile this season. If you can't say anything nice, STFU and go put on your Mizzou shirt. For all of you showing support...thanks for being a KU fan. RCJH forever.....win or lose.

DenverBuzz 9 years, 8 months ago

Sorry, but coach Self dropped the ball on this one. One of KU's strengths this year was depth. And that was not used in this game (3 bench points, 4 rebs). KU was dog tired with 5 min left, and didn't pressure. Losing to good teams is one thing, beating yourself is another.

1_CALIF_KUFan 9 years, 8 months ago

Obviously the poor shooting is the demise of KU. VCU will be eliminated by Butler, but then again I hope VCU wins the title; as that, as far as I'm concerned, will somewhat relieve this nasty knot in my stomach. VCU would be wise to keep their poise and not surmise that the road is downhill from here. I must agree with one comment that the early outs caused by mid-majors is plaguey.

May be next year (said often)

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Look KU has mountains of wins with conference and conference tourney titles and yes we won the NC just 3 years ago but seriously what is wrong with this program. It is the same thing year after year even going back with Roy. We have a superior team that completely chokes. What is it? Is our conference not that great? Is it that losing only 2 games a year actually hurts us. Would we be better if we would not win so much so when we actually win, it will be special even in mid season. Im sorry something is just not right with the program. I just dont understand why this is a constant pattern something is just not right with this program but I have no idea what it is.

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

Good lord. What is it?

Winning the tournament is hard to do! That's ALL it is. You have to stay consistently great for 6 games, or get some luck on the day that you aren't. (2008, Davidson) We were the last one seed remaining this tournament, so clearly we weren't the only one who choked. If UK wins, the highest seed in the Final Four will be a 3. Going by seeding would mean that approximately 24 teams choked this tournament and lost before their seeding.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

It should have been easy, we got lucky with a clear path this year and blew it. Reed blew it for us, as did Morningstar. Brady played like he was hungover, maybe he was.

iamahawk 9 years, 8 months ago

I hope Obama never utters the word KANSAS again. He is our curse!!

Charles McPheeters 9 years, 8 months ago

Ok! One bright spot?? We won't have to pay overtime to Police and Sheriff dept. Sorry the bars will lose lots of dollars. Sales tax take will take a hit? Humm!! does this balance out?

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

George who wrote the article should be fired. He could not wait until the damn game was over to post his pathetic article. The word is that the VCU tam had the headline and used it for motivation. I will never read another one of his articles.

Lin Rahardja 9 years, 8 months ago

When our shooting guards combined for 3 of 21, impossible to overcome bad shooting day.

jayhawkgirl14 9 years, 8 months ago

2-22 from the 3 point line thats not like kansas at all and plus the refs werent even calling good calls on kansas they were calling them against kansas

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

Excruciating choke job by Morningstar and Reed, but mostly Reed.

Reed missed his threes, which we have come to expect from him. But he hurt is in SO many ways today.

  1. We had finally made our comback, were on the verge to take them when he really blew it. He missed a free throw after the VCU technical and then threw the ball away against their press, allowing a layup. This five-point swing killed us.

  2. Later, after a missed string of threes, he got fouled going up for a layup but missed the easy shot. He proceeded to only make one free throw, again killing us.

  3. When we were desperate for threes late, he passed up a three to step up for a two-pointer, which he airballed into VCU's hands.

  4. He was part of a perimeter defense that allowed VCU to get hot on three-pointers, build a big lead, and buld their confidence.

  5. He allowed his man to get between him and the basket for an easy layup on a crucial second half possession.

I can honestly say I have never seen a KU player have a bigger meltdown in an NCAA tourney game. Giddens against Bucknell is close but that was just a first round game and he was a sophomore. I have said all along that Reed hasn't contributed to KU's winning and I get nothing but grief from everyone, but now that he has single handedly cost KU a Final 4 I doubt anyone can argue with me.

JRandall 9 years, 8 months ago

Your a creep at best. No single person cost us a final four appearance. So many players had an off game and without everyone of them, we would not have been playing for that final four berth. The win as a team and lose as a team.

dw92 9 years, 8 months ago

I think our lack of bench rotation was the key. I would have liked to have seen Self sit down Brady & Reed during the 1st half when it was clear that they weren't shooting well. This might have contained their respective droughts, and given Elijah, Mario & Travis a real chance to contribute. Unfortunately, these three guards only took a total of 2 shots the entire game. And it goes without saying that Robinson should have been on the court for more than 6 minutes. KU clearly had superior depth. I wish that we had utilized these fresh legs and clear heads more...

Regardless...thanks for a great season KU!

Dave Cook 9 years, 8 months ago

Still proud of my jayhawks! While the tournament is the ultimate pinnacle for every college basketball player, it does not truly define who has a winning season and who did not..VCU saved a rather drab and poor season with some victories in the ncaa tournament. The KU Jayhawks over the course of a whole season are undeniably a better team that VCU will ever be and have proven it...... Rock Chalk KU!

JayhawkMafiaFamily 9 years, 8 months ago

All I can say is what a disappointment that was! I don't know which lose is worse, last year's second round lose to UNI or losing to a #11 seed play-in VCU team. I probably should have seen this coming. VCU dominated the same USC team in it's first NCAA tournament game that KU barely beat at home. I don't want to hear about how great our season was, etc. Screw the regular season. You can keep your 35 regular season wins, just give me a Final Four appearance. Here are the facts: we got out coached, out hustled and completely outplayed today. Here we had the easiest trip in the history of the tournament to the Final Four and we still couldn't make it. That is pathetic! I'm not sure who to blame. How did HCBS get out coached by a 33 year old who is only in his second year as a head coach? Why haven't we had a go to guy all season? Why do we waste so many resources recruiting these "one and done's" that just turn out being busts? How do you have 5 guards and still turn the ball over so much and miss so many field goals and free throws? What good is depth if you can't manage it effectively when it really matters? Maybe KU was already looking past VCU and worrying about playing Butler? Too many questions, not enough answers. It's obvious HCBS teams have issues handling the pressure of being "the hunted" as evidenced by the K-State lose after getting the #1 ranking this season and the tournament loses to Bucknell, Bradley, UNI, and now VCU. I'm not saying I want another head coach but this recent lack of toughness and team cohesiveness needs to be addressed. Two NCAA tournament #1 seeds in a row and nothing to show for it. Like I said earlier, I would rather lose 10 regular season games and fly under the radar and get a Final Four appearance than only lose 2 games all season and underachieve come tournament time.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

Toughness wasn't our problem, as the twins still did ok inside. Reed and Morningstar played scared and couldn't make any shots, that is it. Reed just killed us all day. That turnover after the technical foul was the worst, we were so close to tying it, not to mention his missed free throw there. Man he was bad.

JayhawkMafiaFamily 9 years, 8 months ago

Another thing that is puzzling me is our lack of quickness. At the start of the season this was one of the things HCBS was hanging his hat on. The athleticism of our guards and the quickness we would have. Now did I miss something because I did not see a lot of that this season, especially today. Everyone watching saw who the quicker team was today. Add the poor shooting performance and weak defensive effort and you end up losing to a team that might not even be in the tournament if the field isn't expanded to 68 teams.

dw92 9 years, 8 months ago

I think our lack of bench rotation was the key. I would have liked to have seen Self sit down Brady & Reed during the 1st half when it was clear that they weren't shooting well. This might have contained their respective droughts, and given Elijah, Mario & Travis a real chance to contribute. Unfortunately, these three guards only took a total of 2 shots the entire game. And it goes without saying that Robinson should have been on the court for more than 6 minutes. KU clearly had superior depth. I wish that we had utilized these fresh legs and clear heads more...

Regardless...thanks for a great season KU!

gregory 9 years, 8 months ago

The perfect storm for VCU. Our guards were awful. No one could make free throws, the refs seemed to be controlling the game for them. The peculiar sequence of calls when we closed out the 17-3 run definitely changed the flow of the game. Our bigs let the refs get in their head (rightly so) and they were not as agressive as needed. (Not excuses, just reality. Anyone that watched this game knows.) It is what it is, KU basketball ratchets up their warm up collars before big games against the cinderellas and it is going to be a hard habit to break. Is that a coaching problem or a player problem?
As for next year, I would be surprised if the twins return. TR should stay at least one more year, and I have no idea what NBA executive would think Selby is ready to jump. He has not made the transition from High School to D1 yet.

Theutus 9 years, 8 months ago

Looks a lot like T-Rob is leaving.... The un-named source that has been saying that, on top of his comments "I'm going to do what is best for me and my family"...

Just seems like he's going to jump. I don't blame the guy at all, but i'm still disappointed... I think if he stays, he could be lottery next year.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

He will have to improve his shot before he is lottery, So I am a little worried he feels he needs to leave now, he may not get drafted.

KUbsee69 9 years, 8 months ago

Second winningest program in history. More conference championships than anyone else. Another 30 plus win season. The best home court in the world ... a true shrine.

Gee, I guess I'll take it! Overall success beats instant gratification anytime. Just like the stock market ... I'm in it for the long haul.

RCJH

p.s See ya at Late Night

Big12Overrated 9 years, 8 months ago

Conference Championships at KU are meaningless....we play in the Big 12 / Legacy Big 8 which is the weakest conference of the major conferences....only 2 national championships in the last 30 years, both by KU...ALL the other major conferences have multiple teams that have won the NCAA championship.....

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

I've been saying all year the B12 is a joke except for Kansas. It was a huge disappointment when the conference didn't desolve last summer. We need more tough conference games to prepare for the tourney. Beating ISU and TT all the time isn't getting us ready for anything.

Brian Conrad 9 years, 8 months ago

Yes Big East has 16 teams 11 in only one left.. way tougher .. Acc no teams left way tougher. Big 10 none , West Coast way tougher. guess you must be talking about Butler. and I hope they win it all!

wllmsmth1 9 years, 8 months ago

Bench was non-existent while VCU bigs stepped it up against the twins little and robinson. Outplayed outhustled outcoached and out da big dance. i didnt see the K state loss but this was by far the worst performance of the year.

MrPilot 9 years, 8 months ago

Thanks for a great season Jayhawks. I still love you all and am very proud of you. Rock Chalk Jayhawk! We'll be back next year!

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

I feel sorry for your football team because if they are as bad as they were last year coming off of this tourney the fans will not tolerate blowout losses to our rivals. Most of us will have a real short fuse right now, so there had better be improvement on football side of things.

How the puck did we lose to VCU this is completely embarrassing!

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

They're all coming back. Got a pretty strong feeling about it.

The Morris twins are very competitive and close, and know that they'll be separated by the draft unless lightening strikes in their favor somehow. I really think that they want to win a championship Together, and they have one more chance.

Selby has to know that he can go nowhere but up in the draft if he works at it. He's been not good this year, but he missed out on all the pud teams where you establish rhythm and confidence, and just hasn't had (or deserved) the playing time to put together any sort of quality.

Robinson has his sister, but she has the support of an entire school at this point, is living with him in Lawrence, has a sort of Godmother in Angel Morris (another reason the twins will stay), and he himself will benefit from another year of hopefully tragedy-free basketball.

We lose Morningstar and Reed, but give Johnson and Releford more chance to develop, and I think both of them will be better at creating their own shot.

I could, of course, be in error. But seriously, back in 2009 Everybody said that both Collins and Aldrich would be gone, and they were wrong. Not that it helped in the end, but winning the tournament is hard to do. We have a chance every year, something not many programs can say. And we get our hearts broken a little 18 years out of 20. That's why it makes the years like Danny and Mario's miracles the sweeter.

Alan Mills 9 years, 8 months ago

Had the chance to listen to Coach Self's post-game comments just now. I still feel we have the right coach. Did some very good things this year, but came up short of the goal. I agree. Goal is and should be to win the tourney. We got all the breaks you could hope for - higher seeds going down. Things fell into place for us. If we bring our best game, we are all happy. Unfortunately, we did not. Very disappointing to see a talented KU team fall short once again.

I hope they all stay, dwell on this year, and come back more determined next year. Experience is the best teacher. All of our players will be better off is they stay another year.

betred 9 years, 8 months ago

I thought good coaches motivated players. These guys just seemed to be tired. If you don't have the right coach it doesn't matter what players you have. Kansas has the best talent around, if you can't get motivated to play in the final four, then your doing something wrong.

KansasComet 9 years, 8 months ago

All the gloves are off. I will give you all the truth. Held back on my opinion because I did not wish to offend and get called names for saying what is really going on.

The bottom line is: The best players need to play! Why in the world do we (Kansas) recruit five star recruits and not develop five star recruits? I am not mad because we lost, we should have lost. We did not deserve to win. Anyone who has at least played a pickup game of basketball can see that. The best players should play.

I for one, was quite upset at the comment Coach Self Made on Senior Night about needing two players from Kansas to "make this team look good". I thought this comment had no place in Kansas Basketball. KU Basketball has never been about strictly home grown talent. It has been fielding the best team, whether they are from Kansas or not. Representing Kansas University has always been the key as far as I am concerned.

As far as Brady and Tyrel. Thank you and thank you again. You made the most out of the talent that you have and it was a pleasure to watch you represent Kansas University. We lost, we have won 2 championships in the last 23 years, which is about what we shot from 3 point range today. We need to stop acting like we should win National Championship every year. We shouldn't, but I sure as hell love being able to compete for it.

Coach Self, shame on you for not developing your best players, the past three years. If you want to recruit the best players in the nation, then you should develop the best players in the nation. You, sir have not done that. I still have faith in you, but this year was a major disappointment as far as player development went. My opinion and I am entitled to it.

Hopefully, next year this will be a lesson learned. Kansas Basketball will be fine next year and I for one will be screaming my head off this year, just like I do every year. It hurts right now just like it has hurt every other year we did not win the Championship. But oh well, lets get after it again, and hopefully next year we will have better result.

I love Coach Self, and I am glad he is our Coach. We can and will do better next year. Lets make it happen. RCJH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gregory Newman 9 years, 8 months ago

Kansas Comet he doesn't have the ability to develope players nor does his guard coaches. SELF is a guard killer period you have to allow for the dribble-drive and teach the mid-range game 7-14. Its a hard drive stop-pop-shoot. real simple

denverhawk32 9 years, 8 months ago

I'm proud to be a Jayhawk and wouldn't trade Bill Self or our guys for anyone else in America. Rock Chalk Jayhawk - We're still America's Team.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

I would never ever trade Bill but would consider trading Brady for for any division II player.

betred 9 years, 8 months ago

If we get another one seed and blow this again, we need to consider getting another coach. There is a reason we got a number 1 seed,we can't keep choking. Bad execution, need to recognize what is going on before the half.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

When you are acually a KU fan and not a troll I will listen to your thoughts and disagree.

Dave Cook 9 years, 8 months ago

all #1 and #2 seeds are out of the tournament.. jeez, it's not a coach problem dude.. chill.

hellarockchalk 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey WTF! At least we beat 2 out of 3 double digit seeds this year! Way to go guys! Great fun this season, but the way it might shape out, could be a couple years or so before we are able to beat a couple more doubles.....????

Rock Chalk!!!

diegohawk 9 years, 8 months ago

(LOOKING TO NEXT YEAR) i will point out a few things though that I beleive need to be addressed to enjoy more success in the dance and further our collective cause.

  • length and athleticism at the perimeter this would go a long way towards shoring up our inability to close out on 3 point shooters. unfortunately, with the exception of tyshawn and travis we don't have much in the pantry. would like to see travis get the nod at the 3 nxt year and garner 20 to 25 mins game. this would also help our weakside rebounding. we currently ahve too many small guards which is only ok if they can penetrate and shoot. shooting we had this year but penetrating was missing other than from tyshawn. vcu had a couple guards that provided this. seems we could recruit a couple. if we could get a couple that can stroke it all the better. this would basically make our perimeter players multi dimensional. we really didn't have that with tyrel, josh and brady this year who garnered most of our minutes. say what you will about the successes our guards had this year on defense. it was their hands which were great. their 3 pt closeouts, lateral quickness and rebounding all were average at best. they also fouled way to much.

  • guards in attack mode from the 1,2 and 3 positions tyshawn and travis in his brief stint this year were the only ones that seemed capable on a regular basis. i think all of our guards need to be encouraged to find this part of their game. josh and ej are works in process and may get there with another year under their belt and some coaching to encourage that play. right now I only see two that have proven successful at it on our roster and one sat on the pine for the last 1/2 of the season. we need this from two of our 3 guard package at all times on the floor. hate duke but love that their guards are always in attack mode. it is usually a hallmark of any success they have in the tourney.

  • mental play free throws are 80/20 concentration/technique pure and simple. we didn't have it when it mattered. has to be addressed. cost us a natl title against cuse and didn't help us this game either. needs to be some sort of punishment for missed free throws in practice. probably is already but whatever it is needs to be tripled. careless turnovers / passes were abundant today and during the season. perimeter one handers and loose post feeds need to become a thing of the past. our bigs are loose with the ball as well and don't seem to understand risk/reward principles.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 8 months ago

If your dog died, would you go buy a new one the next day?

Justin Lindsley 9 years, 8 months ago

Just an observation. Everyone claims that our bench was so deep. If that is true? Why can't we press more. VCU did. How can some of there starters play 35+ minutes and ours play 25. They are pressuring the ball more than we do and yet they players can play more minutes with more intensity. We are supposed to have the better athelets, but I'm not so sure anymore. With all of the players we have, why can't we pressure the ball full court more? I love HCBS. He forgot more than I'll ever know about basketball so I am not criticizing him. I wouldn't trade him for any other coach. I just would like to know, because it seems to work for VCU and others.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

It's not an issue of a deep bench. It's Coach Self's philosophy. I've heard him on numerous occasions say that he does not believe in pressing often. He believes that pressing will, more often than not, backfire. That if a team beats the initial press they are in an odd-man advantage situation at the other end which leads to better looks. It's the same reason why most coaches are loathe to go to a zone. It's a macho thing really. The fact that we think we have the best chance by playing you straight up, man-to-man, and saying to the other team "we'll line our 5 guys up against your 5 and we're going to make you beat us, but we're not going to make it easier for you".

Hippster 9 years, 8 months ago

Well at least Roy will be crying in a few seconds too.....

7texdude 9 years, 8 months ago

Unlike a lot of posters here, I'm more disappointed than upset (unlike last year). We played like dogs and they played great. Everything bad that could have happened did - from missed 3s to missed free throws, but VCU deserved to win.Simple as that.

The worst part is that KU missed another chance to win a title. They don't come along very often. We were the best team left in the tourney and laid an egg. It sucks. Houston would have been a great party and now it's snowing. Wonderful.

It stinks when you predict a worst-case scenario (2-21 from downtown) and you watch it happen. I hope the guys all come back and take another shot at it. It was a fun year and it sucks that it ends like this. Keep your heads up Hawks! It was a fun ride before we crashed.

RockCaCO3 9 years, 8 months ago

Really? That's your best? C'mon, try and be original at least.

Big12Overrated 9 years, 8 months ago

The elephant in the room over the last 30 years of KU basketball is the absolute weakness of the Big 8 and Big 12 conferences....KU has won 2 national championships in 30 years.........NO OTHER TEAM in the Legacy Big 8 or Current Big 12 has won a national championship....this leads to KU having inflated rankings during the regular season and inflated expectations because our competition is crap compared to other conferences and their track record of winning NCAA Championships.....Every other major conference has multiple NCAA championship winners over the last 30 years except for the always mediocre Big 8 and Big 12.....

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

Something I'd ask all fans to consider is that we are all hurting. Instead of attacking each other on how best to react to the crushing and disappointing loss, simply acknowledge that no one has to experience being a fan the same way you do. If someone wants to critique the game, point out mistakes and areas of weakness (which I don't think are in question), let them. And if someone wants to simply reflect on a great regular season and body of work despite the disappointing end, who is anyone to tell them that is wrong? If anyone wants to jump ship that's fine, we don't need bandwagon fans. But for the most part we will all be here next season, so try and show a little respect for your fellow jayhawk fans.

ny05ks08 9 years, 8 months ago

ever since that article about the street party in Lawrence is out, I smelled bad thing would happen...

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Agreed-George who wrotethat pathetic article could not wait until this game was over. VCU had the headline they whole time for motivation. I luv how LSW writers primarily George screwed us. He George next time wait 48 hours to post such a piece of Sh##t

fansincewilt 9 years, 8 months ago

I, for one, am very proud of the Jayhawks. They exceeded all expectations. I think they went farther than anyone expected at the beginning of this year. When you exceed expectations, you have to consider that to be a good season. No one expected us to win the Big 12 but we did. I don't think many expected us to win the Big 12 tourney, but we did. Few expected us to get to the elite 8 but we did. It is difficult to label this anything other than a successful season and I am getting very tired of the naysayers.

Cynthia Schott 9 years, 8 months ago

The Hawks did well. It was a good season! Thank you for the hard work and good times!

ny05ks08 9 years, 8 months ago

Coach should have let Tyrel sit on the bench after the first 2 missing 3s, let others try, if others failed, let Tyrel go again, at least Tyrel would feel better going in again at that time ("I will do not worse than those guys"), much better than keeping him on the court, till we saw in the last seconds his self-abandoned 3 try...

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 8 months ago

Everybody needs to chill just a little bit. Its a disappointing game and finish to the season, but it was a great season.

Reed and morningstar have been very good palyers and great represntatives of KU.

It was a team lose, and honestly, it took a perfect storm for us to lose the game. Horrible 3 point and free throw shooting. Too muny turnovers in the 1st half. Lights out 3 point shooting by VCU in the first half. Poor officiating. And every bounce seemed to go VCU's way.

We have a great team, a great coach, a great program, and a great fan base. Let's not F that last part up by overreacting to this. VCU beat some other good teams before today after all.

Let's keep the love and show the support. We want our players to stay and the recruits to come. The fans are a big part of that.

KMCcrusader 9 years, 8 months ago

its depressing to read this message board. take it easy on Reed and Morningstar!!!

jonas_opines 9 years, 8 months ago

Dunno. Strangely, after a big loss I find it somewhat cathartic to come on here and defend KU basketball against the multitude of fairweather fools who believe that they know what they're talking about.

Robert Murphy 9 years, 8 months ago

We were not the best team left in the tourney. The talent wasn't there. We had a marvelous season with what we had to put on the floor. Morningstar and Reed played great for their ability even if they came up short at the end. Selby had a disappointing year and hopefully will return to redeem himself. Taylor has never learned what a pull up jump shot is. KU is not going to win another national title without better recruits. Next year looks bleak unless we get some 5 star recruits. That's assuming the twins are gone. Hope to see and hear from you guys next year, it's been fun.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

UK and Cal's thugs are in the Final 4, and our local Kansas guys choked big time today and cost us a Final 4. The formula seems obvious, and bringing in the nice local kids isn't part of it. Heck, Brady gave us a DUI and looks like he's hungover playing, and really acts like a thug out there (see Tech vs Richmond). Reed looked like a scared puppy today, certainly not stuff of champions.

Those two cost us a Final 4, I hope Self remembers that in the future when he's building his next number 1 seed.

2003hawkfan 9 years, 8 months ago

Those two also GOT us to an Elite 8. They both had a bad game, and we should give credit to VCU. With the exception of FSU, they've destroyed the competition in this tournament, and we ran into a team that is playing really well, at the right time.

Richard Heckler 9 years, 8 months ago

Hey what the hell. KU had a great season. Too much emphasis is placed on the final four. Life will go on.

Neither Bill nor Roy will go to the final four. It is not the end of the world. Bill has had several very good years. Bill wins a lot of games.... the bottom line.

While I believe the twins get a little rowdy on the floor sometimes it seems like a pro team would want both these guys on the same team.

Meanwhile next season is just around the corner. Let's get on with it.

gregory 9 years, 8 months ago

Seems like a lot of blame going to HCBS. Some of it is warranted. When heavily favored teams come out time and time again as tight as our KU teams do , you have to look a little at the coach. One has to also wonder why he didn't mix up the D and go zone at times, or run in new players and press them. They played into O.T. Friday night and making them work a little harder might have worn them down. However, horrible shooting from the line and the arc cannot be blamed on Self, unless you buy into the argument that it is a coach's responsiblity to loosen up his players before big games. As nice of a job as TR and BM did the last couple of years, they were the primary problems today. Hope coach can reload some solid guards, and see if our bigs want to come back for one more shot

pablo 9 years, 8 months ago

Can someone explain to me why basketball fans say "we" as in "we lost" or "we just didn't shoot the 3 well"? I'm not being a jerk I really don't understand.

gregory 9 years, 8 months ago

pablo, it simply saves time from typing out other phrases, and true fans who follow closely, feel like part of the team. What's wrong with using "we"?

Brian Conrad 9 years, 8 months ago

Self is the best and I will always be behind him. that said he should take some of the blame. 22 three point shots? we should have owned the paint and kept going deeper inside, IF anyone would have defended their shooters! no emotion or time outs till we were getting beat by 20? the BOB Knight quote fits.. dumb will loose more games than smart wins.. Self needs to recruit very high IQ point guard. Tyshawn played well.. not outstanding... but our guard play overall last 2 years plain dumb. Relelford. and EJ spend the next year becoming lock down defenders and play smart. many in tourney can shoot .. if you can not defend them and play the way they want .. 22 threes.. well you will loose every year. only team that could beat Kansas was Kansas... true about 4 of last 8 years..... KU had the easiest path they will EVER have. talk all you want ... Kansas beat Kansas

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Would it be unfair to blame this loss on Bonnie? Just wondering and concerned for our women's program.

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 8 months ago

I must say I have read the comments and some people need to grow up or be banned from making comments in here.

We lost. We shot like crap. We didn't make free throws. It wasn't our day. The better team won. We choked? We won the Big 12 Title. We won the Big 12 Tourney. We Made it to the Elite Eight. Does it hurt? Oh heck yes it does, but it is hard to win the championship and I hurt like the rest.

We don't know if the twins, Robinson or Selby are coming back. Those can be big losses for next year.

Reed, Morningstar and Little are gone. Our best shooters are gone so someone now must step up.

We only have Tharpe coming in, but we have some good recruits we could haul in. Before we say the future is going to stink let's wait and see what happens. Guys may want to stay to take another shot at the brass ring.

We know Self and Manning find a way to get talent in the last minute and I am certain it will happen again.

Before we say the future is going to suck let's sit back and think did we have the best team in the nation? Was this team as good as the 2008 team? I say no to both, but we still had a good season for the deficiencies we had.

It's still a good day to be a Jayhawk.

FLJHK 9 years, 8 months ago

The NCAA tourney, as I've often said, is not about identifying the best team in the country, it is about determining a champion. If we had a BCS type system, Ohio State and Kansas would have played for the championship. If that was the system, we'd probably have a couple more champoinships. But that's not the way this tourney works. You have to be on your game for 6 straight. Be off one night against a hot team, and you're gone.

Imagine if the NBA was a one and done tourney. Or MLB for that matter. Different world.

I do believe the pressure to perform only increases when you are "supposed" to go far or win it all. It leads to nervousness and tightness, and that was certainly the case today. Yes, both Brady and Tyrell had bad games today. It happens. But we don't get to this point without them and I deeply appreciate their tremendous contributions to Kansas basketball.

We're all spoiled, but I'm pretty disappointed by all the bashing on this site today from some KU fans, although I kind of enjoy the bashing from trolls - testimony to their sorry lives and their school's sorry basketball programs.

Among the beauties of Kansas basketball, beyond being the greatest tradition in the nation, is that we are always in the mix, and will be so every year. Kentucky is in the Final 4 this year - their first in over a decade - with a sleazeball coach and a group of one and done players. Wanna trade places with them?

Coach Self and Coach Manning will figure out the tournament puzzle, and will win more championships for Kansas. Players that come to Kansas will almost universally be very grateful for the experience. They will leave as better players and better human beings.

I wouldn't trade being a KU grad and KU fan for ANYWHERE else in the country.

RCJH!

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

+1

Very well put. It's not putting a "great season" spin on things, but not all "end of the world/HCBS is awful" either.

FLJHK 9 years, 8 months ago

The NCAA tourney, as I've often said, is not about identifying the best team in the country, it is about determining a champion. If we had a BCS type system, Ohio State and Kansas would have played for the championship. If that was the system, we'd probably have a couple more champoinships. But that's not the way this tourney works. You have to be on your game for 6 straight. Be off one night against a hot team, and you're gone.

Imagine if the NBA was a one and done tourney. Or MLB for that matter. Different world.

I do believe the pressure to perform only increases when you are "supposed" to go far or win it all. It leads to nervousness and tightness, and that was certainly the case today. Yes, both Brady and Tyrell had bad games today. It happens. But we don't get to this point without them and I deeply appreciate their tremendous contributions to Kansas basketball.

We're all spoiled, but I'm pretty disappointed by all the bashing on this site today from some KU fans, although I kind of enjoy the bashing from trolls - testimony to their sorry lives and their school's sorry basketball programs.

Among the beauties of Kansas basketball, beyond being the greatest tradition in the nation, is that we are always in the mix, and will be so every year. Kentucky is in the Final 4 this year - their first in over a decade - with a sleazeball coach and a group of one and done players. Wanna trade places with them?

Coach Self and Coach Manning will figure out the tournament puzzle, and will win more championships for Kansas. Players that come to Kansas will almost universally be very grateful for the experience. They will leave as better players and better human beings.

I wouldn't trade being a KU grad and KU fan for ANYWHERE else in the country.

RCJH!

Ozarkace68 9 years, 8 months ago

All in all I think this falls in the category of the kidney stone theory of life. "No matter how painful, this too shall pass."

Dyrk Dugan 9 years, 8 months ago

stunning loss is the right word...but not surprising at all when you consider what happened during the game.

VCU only scored 32 points the last 24 minutes of the game...if you had told me before the game, VCU would score 71 points....i would say we win, no problem. but we got buried the first 16 minutes because we couldn't make a free throw, we couldn't handle the basketball...and there for awhile , you would have thought we hadn't shot the basketball from the outside or even a lane shot all season. you can't miss 19 or 20 threes in a game....you just can't. if you do, you lose...unless of course you make 15-35 or something....and we never shoot that many.

this is a bad loss, no doubt, the only way this loss is at all less painful, if VCU handles Butler. the tourney was laid out for us, and we couldn't handle it. Bill Self is now 1-5 regional finals, and his teams are 3-5 vs. their seed as the KU head coach.

One of these years, he'll struggle like crazy in the regular year, and then go on a run of upsets in the NCAAs....but that hasn't happened, because we have been so good in the league. I really don't want to reverse that...but boy, it would sure nice to get to another FF. the twins should come back...and be loved for their Sr. years. i think they would really cherish that.

kkoenig 9 years, 8 months ago

There are some curious features about games, moments of piercing reality when an unknown process is suddenly reflected like a star. Upon the simple little universes that have been created by the device of rules and by the convention of a beginning and an end, there sometimes descends an endorsement, as it were, from the actual universe. Similar endorsements descend upon works of art. But there their effect upon us is different. They gratify. They make us feel we could be artists too. Whereas the game, when it becomes real, becomes disquieting. A win always seems shallow : it is the lose that is so profound and suggests nasty infinities

from Abinger Harvest by E M Forster

Bill Shaw 9 years, 8 months ago

At least we made it this far. We just crashed and burned along with the rest of the remaining #1 seeds.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Crashed and burned makes it sound like we actually hit something and I did not notice us hitting anything.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 8 months ago

i don't seem to be getting over this one...... it stings too badly. i know it's just a game but how could it go SOOOO wrong??? just a few more free throws or a few more 3s and we probably move on. i think we got outcoached a bit but we played TERRIBLE and coach self was Not shooting the ball when we kept missing....... we just didn't have the want and the intensity that vcu did. vcu was better today as much as it hurts me to say it. we Are the better team but couldn't prove it. i wish we had another chance but it doesn't work that way. all the other #1 and #2 seeds would like another chance too but we are all going home. we had a great great year but sure is a tough tough way for it to end and so unexpected........ guess there is never an EASY road to the final four!!

KULA 9 years, 8 months ago

Yes, Bill was wise to hitch his wagon to Brady Mourningstar.

Dan Harris 9 years, 8 months ago

Re-Post

jhawkdan42 (anonymous) says… The two things that scare the bejeebers out of me is if vVCU goes crazy from behind the 3 point line while we go ice cold on our trifectas. RCJH!

Wish this crap would stop happening to us it seeems like every year! Now it gets even worse if we have to watch that cheating Calapari win one at Craptucky!

MGJayhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Everyone needs to just breathe. I realize that you all "hate HCBS" for this loss but you have to look at facts. The facts were not in our favor (stats).

Our program will be fine. We will reload and start fresh next season with or without the Morris'.

Saying this was Brady and Tyrel's fault is simply ludacris. We had plenty of chances on the FT line and easy lay ups that were missed.

I take it back from my take above....the refs blew a lot of calls. Thinking back on it, we were within 2 and we got hosed two or three times.

Sad day...

Andy Tweedy 9 years, 8 months ago

What a great season...too bad it ended this way! But everybody on this board has had a bad day. You got a C on a test when you should have gotten an A. You were late for work because you just couldn't get out of bed. You picked a crappy movie and wasted $30. You forgot your wife's birthday (guilty!). None of these guys suck, and they've all busted their asses to represent our beloved university and its basketball team! I wish things would have ended differently, but I'm still proud of them and what they've accomplished!!! Those of you who say it's your right to criticize are correct, but personal shots don't belong. I, for one, will be right back on here next year hoping against all odds that we're the one fan base in the entire country that isn't pissed off when the season comes to an end. If you think it hurts you, try imagining how much this hurts those kids! ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!

jayhawksbiggestfan 9 years, 8 months ago

It has to be tough for a senior to have a bad game to end his career, but it certainly isn't exclusive to Brady and Tyrel in recent Kansas history.

Billy Thomas was 2 for 15 against Rhode Island in '98, Aaron Miles was 0 for 5 and Keith Langford was 1 for 7 against Bucknell in '04, Jacque Vaughn was 3 for 10 with 5 TO's against Arizona in '97, Kirk Hinrich was 6 of 20 against Syracuse in the '03 championship game, Sherron Collins was 4 for 15 with 5 TO's last year against UNI

I love the Jayhawks but a lot of the fans are putting this loss on their shoulders. Tyrel and Brady. So much B.S. about Tyrel looking scared. Horse sheet I say.

Rudi Schmidt 9 years, 8 months ago

inexplicable losses...over and over. When Barrack picked the Jayhawks, I knew we were doomed. I would not pay to see the Morris brothers play, but they'll be gone, and they can join Aldrich on the bench. Here's an idea: lets recruit the kind of players that Butler has, "all-in", no fear, no agents.

Kye Clark 9 years, 8 months ago

To those of you all too eager to throw Coach Self under the bus, let me remind you that Roy was here 15 years and never won a championship. Self brought us one in his 5th year hear and hopefully will add a few more before his time is up. Upsets happen. It sucks, but there are no number 1 seeds in the Final Four this year, illustrating that anything can happen in a single elimination tournament. Critical of his style? Well Rick Pitino has a fairly uptempo style and has been sitting at home (or on the set of CBS) since his team's first game (oh and his team played in the Big East, so blaming the Big 12 for not preparing us seems a fairly thin argument as well). Roy Williams' uptempo style couldn't get any farther than we did. Duke was eliminated in the sweet 16. So please enlighten us all on what style of play is upset-proof.

Are there things Self could have done better? Or different? Sure. I'm definitely not one of these "Self is God and can do no wrong" fans. I'm very critical of him keeping Tyrel in the game for 34 minutes (second most to Marcus). But to cling to the end of the bench guys as if they could have been saviors is delusional. The bottom line is that Brady was a 42.2% three point shooter and Tyrel was a 38.8% three point shooter, and they combined to go 1-10. Bill Self didn't miss those 9 shots. He didn't miss 13 free throws. We shoot our average, or even a little below our average, and we win. He put this team in a good position to advance. The shots that were missed weren't some highly contested, can't get open looks out of this offense kind of shots. They were make-able shots. Bill Self didn't lose us this game.

JayhawkOP 9 years, 8 months ago

I know everyone's frustrated, but that's how these things typically end - Ohio State, Duke and Pitt felt the same way, I'm sure. The best teams don't always win the championship, it's a tournament and only one goes home a winner - that's what makes it exciting. Bill and these young men gave us a better year than we had any right to expect, and what with Kansas math and all, I'll have high hopes next year too. Anyone who's mad, are you going to go root for someone else now? In a few years these VCU kids will be watching our guys in the NBA and saying "I beat that guy, once." As a college basketball fan, I wouldn't trade places with anyone. RCJHGKU!

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Next year will not look good but it may be nice to be in the tournament a 5 or 6 seed. I am tired of all of these high expectations and then being embarrassed. Well time to crawl to my bomb shelter for a couple weeks and to let the fires burn out.

Denny2009 9 years, 8 months ago

On paper it could not have setup any better for the Jayhawks, having to play a 16, 9, 12, and 11 (play-in team), to get to Houston. But unfortunately games like today happen, especially in a "one and done" Tournament. VCU couldn't beat KU in a 7 game series or 5 games series, but today they shot a high % in the first half and played well enough in the second half, holding off KU and avoiding that one big momentum swinging shot by KU. If you look at how VCU has handled their opponents in the Tourney thus far its quite impressive, with the exception of the FSU OT game they have won by decent margins. KU just didn't execute today and sometimes in the game of basketball teams can still win despite not hitting the 3, but lack of free throws pretty much seals the loss. The NCAA Tournament is interesting, especially seeing some of the young savvy coaches out there that oversee some of these somewhat unknown programs.

Mike Gammill 9 years, 8 months ago

It's wonderful to be a fan of and support a program with a storied NCAA history like KU. They are right up there with appearances, wins, and have a few titles to their credit. However, it is equally frustrating to see them more often come up short in the big games. It's not just a recent thing, it's a pattern.
Ever since I began to follow Jayhawk basketball in the Ted Owens days, they have underachieved in the Big Dance. They go into a tournament as a top seed (higher seed at least), praised by everybody, then end up going home by the Sweet 16, or maybe a round later. They just can't seem to push through, save 1952, 1988, and 2008. To add insult to injury, look at the most recent losses during the '90s and 2000's: Rhode Island, UTEP, Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, and now VCU. Although D1 schools, I consider them as mid-majors. Why does this happen? Could it be that year in and year out, KU is overrated? Or, is it that KU fans and alums have such high expectations, and the coaches and players feel such pressure, and fear mistakes and losing, that the whole thing freezes up? Sorry, but at least for now, I think choke is quite appropriate. We more than had enough talent to win it all, everybody who posts here said so, and I agree.
Now what say you, other than "**** happens"?

haydenhawkco 9 years, 8 months ago

I guess it's better than riding the bench under Terry Allen for 2 years.

haydenhawkco 9 years, 8 months ago

Funny to see all the new people to the forum after the season is over.

Rick Arnoldy 9 years, 8 months ago

You have to come every game. You're Kansas. That doesn't mean you have the right to win. That means everyone is gunning for you. You are going to get everybody's best shot. When you're a Jayhawk, you have to be better than their best. Every time. Or you're going home.

Janet Olin 9 years, 8 months ago

Plenty of blame to go around; sad ending to a successful season. Yes, the refs sucked. But 9% from 3 point land and half the free throws cannot be blamed on Coach. 15 of 28 FT? That's greater than the margin of victory alone. Kieff had 6 TOs by himself and didn't even show up the last 2 games. Still, if you don't defend (something the guys have resisted all season), miss freebies, and have a game shots don't fall, it will all go south. I'm sorry for the guys and their effort, work. KU fans still support their team, even when the results aren't pretty. With 35 wins, we were hoping for another couple of games, but since it isn't to be, please note that we love our players and coach no matter what. Maybe the players who were considering going pro on 'potential' should consider playing where they will have real teachers (like here) instead of sitting on a bench with no help or going it alone in the D league.

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 8 months ago

Holy F'ing troll, batman!

Can you imagine going to other teams' sites to talk smack about their loss? Oh Arizona lost yesterday so I'm gonna find their site and talk smack. Hell nah. Neither can I. That's cause we're KU fans, and we're too busy celebrating our wins to celebrate other teams' losses.

Disappointing end to another great season, but we can all thank our lucky start to be KU fans. Great players, great coach, great program.

67 teams end this season disappointed, but none of them can still be KU when its all over. Its all good.

tauck 9 years, 8 months ago

!st half defense was a step to lazy and it cost us from the three point line. no excuse for playing poor defense, especially when selfs boot camp is all about defense, especially when you spend your hardest practices ever during xmas working on rebounding. self had nobody ready to play aggressive defense and then used halftime to refocus the players priorities. to little, to late. another embarassing loss to a slightly better than average team. do me a favor self, have your kids spend more time on the free throw line this off season, i know, i know you already do but sir, IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!! Repetition is the key to success so get more reps, its not rocket science. next thing, we are the worst organized and executing fast break team in America. I can tell you spend very little time on it during practice, i believe you probably think with the atheletes we have it comes natural to them and they work it everyday they play. This is not the case, we have no clue about an outlet pass, filling the lane, spacing etc...once again if you are spending time on it its not enough time. it cost you 8 pts tonight. start spending time on it, it'll also help selbys game. You did not have your kids ready to play defense tonight, you got complacent after richmond and figured it would just carry over, you were wrong and that is unexceptable. make sure from this day forward you do your job a lot better than you did today. 10 player rotation and your kids wait till the second half to play hard, doesn't make much sense huh?

tauck 9 years, 8 months ago

!st half defense was a step to lazy and it cost us from the three point line. no excuse for playing poor defense, especially when selfs boot camp is all about defense, especially when you spend your hardest practices ever during xmas working on rebounding. self had nobody ready to play aggressive defense and then used halftime to refocus the players priorities. to little, to late. another embarassing loss to a slightly better than average team. do me a favor self, have your kids spend more time on the free throw line this off season, i know, i know you already do but sir, IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!! Repetition is the key to success so get more reps, its not rocket science. next thing, we are the worst organized and executing fast break team in America. I can tell you spend very little time on it during practice, i believe you probably think with the atheletes we have it comes natural to them and they work it everyday they play. This is not the case, we have no clue about an outlet pass, filling the lane, spacing etc...once again if you are spending time on it its not enough time. it cost you 8 pts tonight. start spending time on it, it'll also help selbys game. You did not have your kids ready to play defense tonight, you got complacent after richmond and figured it would just carry over, you were wrong and that is unexceptable. make sure from this day forward you do your job a lot better than you did today. 10 player rotation and your kids wait till the second half to play hard, doesn't make much sense huh?

GTheWinner 9 years, 8 months ago

Maybe Next Year Kansas. I hate that 3 point shot...All N E body does these days is chuck up that damn 3. It helps to equalize the most mediocre talent match up with the best talent in the country. Go back to the OLD SCHOOL...you know...every shot is two unless its an AND-1. Start making those behind the head, 6'9 - 7 footers, through the legs, then off the wall, while falling down chukkin mofoz actually start playin some ball.

hawkson 9 years, 8 months ago

I think all of the Self bashing is funny. His complete and utter domination of the Big XII during his tenure is remarkable. Throw in '08 and his critics sound pretty silly. I especially love the "if Roy were here" gang. Maybe they've forgotten how many times Roy's teams played tight or, more painfully, wilted in the final 5 minutes while Roy sniffled on the sidelines with TOs in his pocket. A friend and guy this board's users would recognize as a KU basketball icon said to me once that if Coach Brown could have coached the last 5 minutes of Roy's games the 'hawks would have three or four NCAA titles during the ol' Roy era. I agree. I'll take Self any day.

Back to this year's team. Guard play, Guard play, Guard play. Most realistic KU fans knew that we would go as far as TT BM and TR would carry us. We start three pretty good guards. All three have had excellent games this year and, overall, good seasons. But, in the NCAA tournament you need above average performances from at least one and preferably two "pretty good" guards to advance --- even againt VCU. We got one average performance and two below average performances today. And, I didn't see anything out of EJ, JS or ML that made me think they would have been much better.

Good season. Brutal ending. I'll miss the Morii and TRob...and thanks to TReid for being a great kid and representing the program and state.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 8 months ago

I think Jaybate may have taken a bath with his toaster. Maybe I'll do that later, because this one is excruciating. We could have easily won this game, we were better than them. We needed some senior leadership and maybe some perimeter defense and instead got stuck with Brady Morningstar and Tyrel Reed. Two of the worst tourney players in the history of KU basketball. I just can't get over how much they sucked today, if there has ever been an example of a big game choke it was those two today.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

All I can say is that I and several others on this site warned that this would happen with BM and everyone jumped all over us. We were called everything you could think of but all we were saying is that we felt that our other players such as JS and EJ should be getting more minutes. Well here we are BM started and scored 2 points and had 4 fouls. This is why several of us warned everyone and here we are losing to VCU because our senior guard had his minutes. I expected this from BM but it was real disappointing to see TR play like he did today. We need a true point guard that can blend with the combo guards we usually have. Whoever feels that our guard play did not costs us this game then I guess it is pointless to argue any further.

Armen Kurdian 9 years, 8 months ago

Refs weren't the only reason we lost, but there were some absolutely horrible calls that went against us that took away our momentum. Absolutely ridiculous and indefensible calls. KU shot themselves in the foot. The refs stepped on that foot.

Armen Kurdian 9 years, 8 months ago

I'll probably catch some heat for this comment. I'm not out there on the hardwood, I didn't put in the hours of practice, wind-sprints, shootarounds, days on the road, to get where this team got to. So maybe I'm going to sound ungrateful for what was a terrific season until today.

But dangit, I am tired of this choke-a-saurus behavior in the tourney. Lose to Duke or UConn or 'Zona, yeah, I can get that. Rhode Island, Bucknell, Bradley, UTEP, N.I., and now VCU? No. These guys knew they had to guard the perimeter and didn't. They knew thay had to get to the line and make charities, and they failed. And they started panicking, airballing threes, and allowed themselves to get rattled.

I got in someone's face 20 years ago in Learned Hall when we were down by 26 points to ISU (football) after they had scored 40 straight points when that person said we sucked and deserved to lose. And I said, "There are 19 minutes left in this game and don't forget it!" and we won. And I never stopped getting people on their feet against both Syracuse and Memphis, and then VCU today. I bleed crimson and blue. I wear my allegiance on my sleeve. Anyone who knows me knows I'm a Jayhawks fan, now and forever.

But da**it, right now I am so angry I could chew nails and spit bullets. I am bloody furious at these guys for blowing it. I need a baseball bat and a china shop right now. There is absolutely no excuse for the stinking miserable performance on the court today.

Yes, I know I sound spoiled. I'll be better in a few days, but I wouldn't feel this way if I wasn't such a loyal fan. That's my rant.

Mike Hoeschele 9 years, 8 months ago

Had a great year! I hope the morris twins learn from this experience, not only does the "trash" talking motivate the opposing team, but the referees overhear it as well and can tick them off and affect calls in the game. Like the blocking foul on Marcus when it could have been a charge.

Brian Conrad 9 years, 8 months ago

I do believe Self is the best. but with everything he should evaluate tourney coaching. I think he does want them to enjoy the journey, but They will enjoy bunch more remembering a winning journey. Not to say Franks screaming , but constant focus and next team scouting. with all of us during our teenage years.. keep the focus off the big picture.. drill them with so much scouting and practice and moving players they have no time to think about how they could loose. they play better when they know they can go all out every second and more troops coming.. I as all of us posters , well we are not a smig as smart as Self. Just saying look at what may be causing the losses to the lower seeds. could be some smaller thing, like keep them so focused with so many things they have no doubt time. I do feel they play like they do not want to disappoint ... that is on us.

Ozarkace68 9 years, 8 months ago

To those of you who weren't even born when Danny and the Miracles made their improbable run to the National Championship in 1988, chill. Larry Brown brought that group together and they were a sight for sore eyes and a team for the ages.

Then came Roy. We had never heard of him but he gave us years of great basketball. Came close a couple of times, particularly his memorable last year. I know he said he wouldn't leave but it happens. Woe was us.

Then came Bill. A gentleman and a role model I would be proud to send my sons or grandson to KU to play for were any of them so athletically inclined. He is considered by many who watch the world of college basketball as the #2 coach in the game. Behind Coach K and ahead of Roy. All three will be in Houston on business other than coaching next weekend. Did they lose to better teams? That is a matter of opinion.

I liked Ted Owens who was a great recruiter but had to face UCLA every year in fixed brackets. Or, fight out of the midwest against incredible Valley teams. It would pay for those of you who were born late in the 20th century and "think" you know basketball to review the coaching history of Dean Smith and some of the others I have mentioned. Purge the word choke from your limited vocabulary, and become students of the game.

It is a great game and I for one am proud that it's Mother Church is located in Lawrence, Kansas. It is only a matter of time until Bill and his KU team will bring another National Title home to Lawrence. The Road to the Final Four 2012 starts next October and I look forward to it.

I am proud of this team. I hope all the underclassmen come back for another run given all the unknowns with the NBA labor issues and that Bill can fill the slots of the departing seniors with those high interest recruits who are waiting. Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU - To Tyrel, Roger, Mario, thanks for the memories.

squawkhawk 9 years, 8 months ago

Another Rock Choke! Now we once again are the butt of the country. Oh well, at least football season is just around the corner.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

What is truely sad is that your school and/or diploma states that you cheer for Silo Tech. Now that is the real joke.

Dirtwood 9 years, 8 months ago

All things in perspective...We have a great bball program, we'll be back again. Hawk players great season nothing to be ashamed of at all! Woulda, coulda shoulda....no 2nd guessing. My whole attitude about KU bball changed for me being here in Afghanistan...more important things than a bball game happen every day here. If you can't enjoy what the Hawks did this season then you should ask yourself why.

Gregor Southard 9 years, 8 months ago

first off, I would like to apologize to oxcal and all of the negative posters this year. You were right and I was wrong. The lack of effort today was astonishing. I hope Tyshawn and the Morris twins go NBA (I wish them well). We need to get back to playing the Mario Chalmers', Darnell Jacksons', and Russell Robinsons' of this world. Thanks for a great season!

Hank Cross 9 years, 8 months ago

No worries Nash. I'm as disappointed as everyone here. But, like I'm sure you'll be, I'll be wearing some Jayhawk gear tomorrow.

Brian Skelly 9 years, 8 months ago

Regardless of the players, coaches, media says it comes down to the fact that KU's players simply dont think they have to turn it up against what is perceived as 'lower level' teams.

Thats it. Dont complicate this.

It's not talent. Its not preparation. It's players who dont think much of the other guys.

We're officially at the point where Id rather lose to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, whomever. Because at least we'd respect those guys, and probably play harder because of it. Doesnt mean we'd win or lose. But I almost like my odds better of playing a theoretically "stronger" team.

Call it fear, anxiety, desperation, whatever. We had it all and more going today. Dont wanna use all your energy coming back being down 18? Dont let them get up by that much. How about... covering one of those guys you think cant POSSIBLY hit the next 3 as well.

While I bleed crimson and blue and will always, we deserve all the scorn we're going to catch for CONSISTENTLY losing to teams we should beat in the tournament. Nobody is talking about us as chokers if were losing to seeds that should be competing for the Final Four. But thats not really who's doing it now is it?

Disgraceful.

justinryman 9 years, 8 months ago

Nobody plays a perfect game, never have, never will.

Nobody coaches a perfect game, never have, never will.

Nobody refs a perfect game, never have, never will.

You cheer for your team win or lose.

You win as a team, you lose as a team.

No single one player lost this game, not one single coaching move lost this game, not one bad call cost us this game. Did everyone cheer for them when they lost? No, they find blame and cast shadows over the loss, why? I don't know, but I for one am very proud of all the accomplishments of this team, and if I was in San Antonio, I would have clapped for them as they walked off the floor.

Armen Kurdian 9 years, 8 months ago

I always cheer fo KU win or lose. I have for 25 years. Your words are correct, and I'm always proud to be KU fan. Maybe I'm off-base to be livid at yesterday's performance; I don't have any skin in the game while it was them playing. But I wouldn't feel so bloody furious if I didn't care so much for Kansas hoops. If I didn't want to see this team reach the goal of winning the title this year, I wouldn't be posting right now. I don't know what the heck gets into the heads of these guys when they play these two-bit mid-majors that have no business on the same court w/them, yet they execute so poorly and panic so quickly when the chips really are on the line. It's probably selfish of me to be mad. So be it. I'm having a hard time feeling sympathetic. That's just how I feel, and no amount of logic is going to change that.

bbhawk234 9 years, 8 months ago

Kansas fans are not perfect but unfortunately we as fans expect our team to be what we are not. I for one am guilty. We are prideful people but just remember no one else in the world has what we have. The gem that no one will ever take away from us...History...and the most prestigious basketball building in the world. We are Kansas! We shall have our revenge and the phog will be a rockin. Maybe our hurtful losses will revive a new passion of never ever taking victory for granted. History awaits, will you hide or embrace our resurrection.

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